User talk:Seloloving/Archive 2

You are now a pending changes reviewer!
Hi Seloloving! I've been running into you while patrolling logs and recent changes, and I happened to notice that you don't have the pending changes reviewer rights. I hope you don't mind, but I went through your contributions and I noticed that you're quite active in recent changes patrolling and that you consistently view and undo vandalism and bad faith disruption. I believe that the pending changes reviewer rights would be useful for you to have and that you'd make good use of the tools. Instead of having you formally request the rights at WP:PERM, I went ahead and just gave it to you. This user right allows you to review edits that are pending approval on pages currently under pending changes protection and either accept the edits to make them viewable by the general public, or decline and revert them.

Please keep these things in mind regarding the tool or when you're reviewing any pending changes:


 * A list of articles with pending edits awaiting review can be viewed at Special:PendingChanges.
 * A list of the articles currently under pending changes protection can be viewed at Special:StablePages.
 * Being granted and having these rights does not grant you any additional "status" on Wikipedia, nor does it change how Wikipedia policies apply to you (obviously).
 * You'll generally want to accept any pending changes that appear to be legitimate edits and are not blatant vandalism or disruption, and reject edits that are problematic or that you wouldn't accept yourself.
 * Never accept any pending changes that contain obvious and clear vandalism, blatant neutral point of view issues, copyright violations, or BLP violations.

Useful guidelines and pages for you to read:


 * Reviewing pending changes, the guideline and tutorial on using the rights and reviewing pending changes.
 * Pending changes, a summary of pending changes protection, the pending changes user right, and how it applies.
 * Protection policy, the policy section on pending changes protection and its appropriate application and use by administrators.

I'm sure you'll do fine with the reviewer rights - it's a pretty straight-forward tool and it doesn't drastically change the interface that you're used to already. Nonetheless, please don't hesitate to leave me a message on my user talk page if you run into any questions, get stuck anywhere, or if you're not sure if you should accept or revert pending changes to a page - I'll be more than be happy to help you. If you no longer want the pending changes reviewer rights, let me know and I'll be happy to remove it for you. Thank you for helping to patrol recent changes and keep Wikipedia free of disruption and vandalism - it's a very thankless job to perform and I want you to know that it doesn't go unnoticed and that I appreciate it very much. Happy editing! :-D  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   05:52, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I appreciate the tool you have entrusted in me. I have read the relevant guidelines and will use it appropriately and within limits, and will also consult you further should I have any doubts or queries. Thank you! Seloloving (talk) 07:19, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Uploading a SVG file
Hi, hope you're doing okay. I'm in the midst of overhauling our visa policy/visa requirements pages and have run into a spot of trouble trying to upload SVG files to Commons. I get the following message: "This file contains HTML or script code that may be erroneously interpreted by a web browser." and then the error message "None of the uploads were successful." Clearly there's something I'm not doing right; since you're the resident SVG expert, I thought I'd seek your assistance with the matter.

Cheers, Tiger7253 (talk) 08:26, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , could you contact me on Discord? Go to the #offtopic channel with your username and I will contact you there to assist you. If not, could you provide a screenshot of the error message and where it's appearing, and the file you are uploading? Seloloving (talk) 08:30, 22 August 2021 (UTC)


 * , you've probably saved a SVG file with a linked image inside it. Commons only supports embedded images. Usually opening it then saving it again should fix it. — Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 09:56, 22 August 2021 (UTC)


 * and, I'm modifying this SVG file with nothing but a text editor (notepad). The aforementioned error message is displayed when I attempt to upload it to Commons as a HTML document, and I'm pointed to this FAQ page in the error message. As a workaround I loaded the HTML document that I'd edited in notepad into Inkscape and saved it in two different SVG formats (Inkscape SVG and Plain SVG), but the upload to Commons still failed. I'm new to working with SVG files (having spent the last 6 years on Wiki handling PNG files exclusively), and there must be something I'm doing wrong. Tiger7253 (talk) 03:15, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Tiger7253, are you able to open the .svg file on your Chrome browser? Often Chrome can point out specific error messages. CMD (talk) 03:19, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , Is there anyway you can get a copy of your file to me? Without having it, I am unable to ascertain what is wrong. Could you upload it to Google Drive or Dropbox? Seloloving (talk) 03:38, 23 August 2021 (UTC)


 * , yes, it works just fine on Chrome., here's the Dropbox link (file is not yet complete - still in the process of filling out some countries and adjusting disputed political boundaries). Tiger7253 (talk) 03:55, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , you removed certain Inkscape parameters, causing the upload wizard to detect it as a HTML file. I have restored it for you. download here I suggest using Notepad++ to edit these files. Seloloving (talk) 05:14, 23 August 2021 (UTC)


 * , I appreciate your help. After combing through the text of the file you uploaded and comparing it to the text of my file I have finally managed to get to the root of this head-scratcher of a problem.


 * On the file page, the current version (08:17, 6 August 2021, uploaded by "Chubit") contains the requisite Inkscape parameters. They're intact. It is the version that precedes it (07:10, 5 April 2021, uploaded by "Heitordp", the creator of the file) that lacks the Inkscape parameters. It just so happens that I downloaded the latter version, not the latest version (former), because Chubit made some strange edits (by tacking on a non-sovereign autonomous polity on the Myanmar-China border).


 * It all makes sense now - save for one thing: Why does Heitordp's 5 April upload lack the parameters? Did Chubit's file overwrite them or something? Tiger7253 (talk) 05:48, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , okay. Please ignore my last comment. The problem is the extra "     " at the end of the second line, after comparing the two files. Use this file instead. Heitordp's version is correct. Seloloving (talk) 05:59, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

DYK nomination of RSS Panglima
Hello! Your submission of RSS Panglima at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:53, 30 August 2021 (UTC) Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  05:53, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Federal Reserve
Hi,

Thank you for moderating my update to the Federal Reserve. I don't understand the reasoning behind your comment and rejection of my update (see below for full content of update): "Not a minor edit, probably should go into the body instead of the lead"

I defer to you on if it is a minor edit or not. But I believe it belongs in the lead because it's an extremely common misconception that the Federal Reserve is part of the US government (it is not). Same for it being a reserve - it is not. That's understandable because the very name Federal Reserve is a misnomer. Therefore, it's extremely important to be part of the lead of the article to properly define what the Federal Reserve really is.

Regards, Wikiguy91311 (talk) 22:36, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , Hello. My revert was primarily because the second edit was marked as minor, but in my preview window, both edits were marked as minor. I apologise for reverting it wholescale and not realizing it was two edits.
 * As to whether it's justified for the lead, I will leave it to others to decide. I have reinstated your edits. Seloloving (talk) 09:50, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * As to whether it's justified for the lead, I will leave it to others to decide. I have reinstated your edits. Seloloving (talk) 09:50, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

The Federal Reserve System is neither federal nor a reserve. It is not part of the federal government because it is privately owned and operated by its member banks for profit. It is not a reserve because it no longer holds reserves in gold since the United States went off the gold standard in 1933.


 * I've removed the edit. There are multiple issues.  First, there's the WP:OR/WP:SYNTH issues.  The first source explicitly points out that the BANKS are privately owned, but the SYSTEM (which is what this article is about) is a mix of public and private.  The "for profit" is technically true for the banks, but the omission that the majority are transferred to the US Treasury.  The last part the source mentions that yes, the US did move off the gold standard, but the rest is pure OR.  Everything that's actually relevant and correct is already in the article lead - see the second to last paragraph.  Please discuss this on the article talk page, but the POV nature of the edits are a cause for concern.  There's a lot of WP:FRINGE views around Federal Reserve, several of which are hit in that short edit.  Ravensfire  (talk) 19:00, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you @Seloloving.

@Ravensfire: That was rude and uncalled for to accuse me of having a WP:FRINGE POV. Every part of my edits are literally in the public domain and indisputable. Rude and caprious rejections based on conjecture don't help Wiki, they hurt it, hurt it's reputation, and discourage people from participating.

Wikiguy91311 (talk) 01:17, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

DYK for RSS Panglima
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Cost column on MRT line pages
, I'm toying with the idea of adding a cost column to stations lists on MRT line pages (see Downtown Line) but I'm not quite sure if I should retain it. I tallied the costs of the contracts and the amount awarded towards construction works for the stations and tunnels adds up to 11 billion, roughly - that's 10 billion short of the ~21 billion price tag for the DTL. The remaining 10 billion went into land acquisition, train depots, platform screen doors, active cooling, signalling equipment, tracklaying, electrification, things of the sort. The publicised cost of building a station applies strictly to construction works and does not factor in the outfitting of the aforementioned deliverables, which is awarded separately to other contractors. The figures for these deliverables can be found on the Internet, but in a lump sum - the LTA does not provide a granular breakdown of the cost of outfitting each individual station.

I'm thinking of getting rid of the cost column, but there has to be an alternative way to encyclopaedically log the cost of constructing the entire network from 1987 till now. Perhaps a new article with a simple and frills-free list with three columns (station/deliverable name, contract name, cost figure)? cc:

Tiger7253 (talk) 16:48, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I don't know. I don't think they are really necessary to be added. If you want to, you can create a list of MRT contracts awarded in a sandbox and I will see where will it be suitable.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:41, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , please give me more time to deliberate on it. I have very busy days ahead. Seloloving (talk) 10:38, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Updates to Singapore Police Force Band
Hi, I understand that sources cannot be directly from SPF. How do you suggest we get the Band's history from? The history written was kept in the band archives and re-written/paraphrase in our own words but the history is not distorted. Can we use that source? Liyana Oreth (talk)


 * Primary sources will be fine but cannot be used to cite exceptional claims (ie first in Asia/best in Singapore, etc). Your sources should preferably be available online for verification.


 * In addition, you need to rewrite the sections completely to be different from the sources (not just paraphrase, as that's still a copyright violation). While the materials may belong to the SPF, I do not think you have the right to release the copyright to them. All materials on Wikipedia can be reused by anyone in the world and SPF's contents are copyrighted by the government of Singapore.


 * Once you are done, you may propose on the talkpage for someone to vet through the contents and clean up the citations. Please do let me know when that happens so I may assist. Seloloving (talk) 10:38, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Consultation about the title
seloloving, its me, nelson. i want to consult you on an article i recently created (technically, last night) - Azlin Arujunah and Ridzuan Mega Abdul Rahman - the title can allow two persons' names inside? or should i just change it to a more appropriate name? i mean, there is no definite name given to the child abuse case in the media--NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 01:54, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply. I had spent the entire day pondering this.
 * I think, due to the fact that we lack a lot of information about the child, the article name can stay as it is for now, even if it's not ideal. I was going to to suggest Azlin Arujunah and Ridzuan Mega Abdul Rahman child abuse case, but that is an especially long and clumsy article name. Seloloving (talk) 12:58, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I think, due to the fact that we lack a lot of information about the child, the article name can stay as it is for now, even if it's not ideal. I was going to to suggest Azlin Arujunah and Ridzuan Mega Abdul Rahman child abuse case, but that is an especially long and clumsy article name. Seloloving (talk) 12:58, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

its ok, i don't mind. --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 12:59, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

would it be better to call 2016 Toa Payoh child death? Try to not confuse with the Toa Payoh Adrian Lim murders --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 13:01, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 2016 Toa Payoh child abuse case would be okay, I think. The conviction specifically says "child abuse", so it would be best to have it in the title. Seloloving (talk) 10:39, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * pinged Seloloving (talk) 22:22, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Singapore pollies
Hi Seloloving, given your work on some Singaporean politician pages, I wonder if you have seen this IP range? They seem to be rapidly standardising a bunch of articles follow the same lead format, "X (Chinese name template where applicable) is a Singaporean politician", removing traditional characters, and changing all name templates to Singaporean name. Often these edits are innocuous on their own, but the rapidity and lack of thought sometimes has poor effects such as removing the MP link (probably should have been moved to "member"). Also as seen in that and is replacing the Malay name template with the Singaporean name template, which seems unhelpful given the variety of Singaporean names. They're also adding the template when it doesn't seem useful, given Lim is where English speakers would expect a last name. Thus I'm not sure these edits on the whole are beneficial. The range is also removing mentions of Malaysia, which somewhat puts it in the usual suspects box, but aside from that I was wondering on the wider note if you had any thoughts on the general ideas of name hatnotes and lead sentence standardisation. CMD (talk) 10:34, 19 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi, yes, I have noticed the IP as well. I think a lot of the edits are beneficial, though I too have noted the problems you pointed out. I have at least two or three suspects on who it might be, but have a slight feeling it might not be INSTF. But I won't give away more, as I think INSTF is trying to assume multiple personalities to confuse us and it could very well be them. The IP you linked to is a mobile data IP which seems to be editing in conjunction with a fixed home IP which keeps changing 1 2 3. But barring any evidence and the difficulty of contacting the two constantly changing IPs, I am not sure what we can do. It may or may not be one person coordinating these mass edits, often I noticed in the middle of the night.


 * Unfortunately, I am also unable to dedicate a lot of time to Wikipedia at the moment and perhaps the foreseeable future. I will continue to monitor but do not have enough to justify mass reverting at the moment. Seloloving (talk) 11:10, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's too useful to trace the IP, aside from noting it is definitely dynamic which makes contact difficult. That said, it does appear to be one person, given how consistent it is and the limited timeframe. At the moment, I am most interested in the wider question of whether these leads should follow a simple standard, and if so what that standard should be. I have no issue with Chinese name templates and am neutral on "Singaporean politician" vs "politican in Singapore", but the Singaporean name template seems a definite downgrade to the existing Chinese/Malay templates in terms of accessibility. Do you have general thoughts on those points? CMD (talk) 11:49, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi CMD, this will be a poorly formatted reply as I am doing this via mobile.

The changing of malay family name to Singaporean family name hatnote does not seems to break the format and looks okay. I am fine with changing to Singaporean name hatnote but consensus should be obtained at sg wikiproject.

For the removal of Malaysia, for Lim Tean, I am quite okay as the underlying wikilink is still correct albeit without mention of Malaysia. The second link is Johor, Malaysia which might be a misread or misunderstanding of policies. AGF?

Lead standardisation is fine, I had done some standardisation in the past and the current version by the ip editors seems alright to me.

I understand the concerns as I did notice the changes by the various IP editors. In general the changes are fine. Perhaps just the merging of Personal life and Education to Background seems resume ish, is there any MOS for BLP on the sections?

There seems to be a certain pattern for the IP editors, i noted that he claimed he is using different devices to edit over time. It seems like one IP is for PAP politicians and the other for opposition politicians. I am unable to check now (taking break) so you might want to take a look at this also.

All in all, I can only say AGF and monitor. Maybe advise to register an account? --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 11:51, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I assumed the IP was just naturally dynamic, if it's deliberately switching between PAP and opposition then that a potential concern. Not sure how the presence or absence of Malaysia relates to any particular policy. The problem with the Singaporean family name hatnote is that there is no "Singaporean family name". Different Singaporeans handle their names in entirely different manners. If a reader sees: "In this Singaporean name, there is no family name. The name X is a patronymic, and the person should be referred to by the given name, Y", it is entirely reasonable that they may take that as a general trend for Singaporean names, which would be highly misleading. It's actively detrimental to intuitive reader understanding for no benefit. CMD (talk) 14:05, 19 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I am not sure about what a "Singaporean family name" is, actually. Shouldn't names go by languages instead of nationality? In any case, there shouldn't be widespread changes without consensus but to revert all the IP's edits would take up too much effort without AWB... Seloloving (talk) 21:55, 19 October 2021 (UTC)


 * ,I just did a check on the IPv6 editor edits, seems to be not alternating between PAP and opposition politicians. Probably some selective bias on my part. I could not find the edit summary that the IP editor wrote he is using multiple devices (too many pages/too many IPs). Looking at this particular IP, it seems like he is making an edit every minute or two. Either a very diligent editor who loads up all the pages then edit one by one or mass prep all the pages then slowly submit his changes.

I agree with both of you on the Singaporean name portion. Other family names is mostly along a language or race line. There is no distinctive Singaporean naming convention, they are still along racial lines. --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 01:56, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Reverting the majority of the IP's edits takes a button click with the right script, but that seems drastic unless there's clear consensus to do so. Seems to be similar thoughts hear on the Singaporean names, although I would also note there is variety within the different communities (eg. Desmond Lim), so it's even less clear cut. Perhaps a TfD for Singaporean family name template is needed. CMD (talk) 04:30, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I have taken the liberty to manual revert, I treat it as a go through of the article and make fixes. Still in progress... --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 09:11, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Noted. Another consistent edit is removing "Singaporean" as a nationality from the infobox while putting it in the lead. Certainly not optimal at face value, but I can't make a head or tails of what reasoning may be behind it. CMD (talk) 10:00, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * A more immediate problem found. This edit (one of those linked above) adds the text "Tang was declared bankrupt and had his property seized for failing to pay the damages and interest he owed", which is directly copied from the source. Copyvios are a particularly pernicious issue as they require a lot of other editor time to clean up. CMD (talk) 10:08, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Dropping nationality from infobox is correct if the birthplace is Singapore (already present in infobox) based on WP:INFONAT and adding to lead is fine (typical lead, ABC is a Singaporean politician). Noted the content changes on the more prominent politicians only, aka Cabinet ministers and some opposition politicians. Probably need a second round to check on copyvio. --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 10:37, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

3 topics that requires your assist of judgment
Dear User:Seloloving,

This is francabicon here and i would like to seek your assistance of judgement regarding the matter of my edit on three topics:

Here is my edit:https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Malaysian_United_Indigenous_Party&oldid=1053371794
 * Malaysian United Indigenous Party(Current Version)

Here is my edit:https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_Malays_National_Organisation&oldid=105337095
 * United Malays National Organisation (Current Version)

Here is my edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Malaysian_Islamic_Party&oldid=1053371583
 * Malaysian Islamic Party(Current Version)

Here is the problem I've edited 3 topics of Ideology, Controversy whit assisted contribution by many members but has been taken down by this User:Amir Noor Muhammad. I repeatedly told the user that if he has any arguments of this topic the user can talk to me about it but the user didn't just not talk to me about it and removed large chunks of our contribution of it which i don't think is fair for the people who had place an effort contribution to the new section of the page. Also adding to the fact that he had many Controversy on this talk page where the many user had criticize him for similar behaviour like that which you may check right over here: User talk:Amir Noor Muhammad. Also the user had written to ban me from editing with his recent revert. The reason that the user always revert my edit is that "it's not related" "personal not on party lines" which i then replied to him stating that " so long as they are part of the party their political action is related to the party" but the user still insist on reverting. Hope you understand that i don't mind to be wrong but i would like your best judgment on what you can do to resolve this matter because those topics are with valid links and valid facts. Thank you. hope to hear frm you soon do talk to me if you do want to know more. Francabicon (talk) 16:03, 4 November 2021 (UTC).


 * Hello Francabicon. Thanks for acknowledging my notice on your talkpage. Unfortunately, as I am rather tied up with matters at the moment, I can only assist you on the weekends if I find the time. For now, I would suggest to be calm and discuss the matters appropriately on the talkpages, bearing in mind that it's best to keep the discussions focused on one topic at a time. I will see if I can look into it. If the other user is edit warring, do not revert, if the edits are justified, someone else will revert it for you. There's a three revert limit rule which is a blockable offence. Seloloving (talk) 03:06, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

How to speedy delete
Seloloving, hi. Its me nelson, i want to ask how to delete a page speedily, because i accidentally misspell a word "Deevapali" which i redirect to Deepavali. how should i do? NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 02:13, 5 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello. I don't think there's a need to delete the misspelling as it's a common enough typographical error. As long as it redirects to the main page, it's fine. Wikipedia allows for common misspellings to remain as long as they redirect to the main page. Seloloving (talk) 03:03, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

thank you seloloving, now i am reassured. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 03:12, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

need help
seloloving, hi, its me --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 03:22, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

i wanna ask. how do you upload a image with a license? i not sure what it means when i upload this File:Kho Jabing (2010 photograph).jpg in wikimedia, when it says about licensing or something --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 03:22, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

may i ask if you can help --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 03:22, 23 August 2021 (UTC) because it says no license or something heres the link https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kho_Jabing_(2010_photograph).jpg#filehistory --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 03:23, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey Nelson, we cannot upload copyrighted materials to Commons. I will nominate it for deletion for you. I would help you to upload it, but I think it's best for you to learn.


 * 1. Click on upload file on the sidebar to the left.
 * 2. Choose the Upload a non-free media option
 * 3. Steps 1 and 2 are fairly obvious.
 * 4. For step 3 (in the upload wizard), choose This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use.
 * 5. For "This file will be used in the following article: ", insert "Kho Jabing".
 * 6. Select This is an historic portrait of a person no longer alive.
 * 7. Fill in all the blanks.
 * 8. For "Please explain why a free alternative to this image cannot be found.", insert "Subject has been deceased since 2016 and all photos taken after 10 April 1987 in Singapore last 70 years after publication under the Copyright Act, as such, there's no free alternative to the photo for the foreseeable future."
 * 9. For "Please explain why you are confident that our use of the file will not harm any commercial opportunities of its owner.", insert "Photo is a Singapore Police Force mugshot provided to press agencies. The police has no commercial interest in mugshots".
 * 10. For "In view of this, please explain how the use of this file will be minimal.", insert "Photo used only on one page."


 * Extra note: Please reduce the photo to be of small resolution, around the same size as the one on Mas Selamat Kastari, and crop out the black background. I will check in on your progress later and help you if need be. Feel free to ping me. Seloloving (talk) 03:37, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Pinging you. Do let me know if you need further help or if my instructions are too complex. Seloloving (talk) 05:44, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

thank you for the help NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 14:09, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Seloloving, hi. err...i am sorry to trouble you, but i want to ask you. i recently uploaded a image of anthony ler, a criminal, but its size does not turn out right. i uploaded the image under another name but still it does not work. what is it that i erred in? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Anthony_Ler_Wee_Teang.jpg NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 15:23, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

i tried to make it small, and it look small when i looked at it. but it was larger, i found, than the mas selamat photo NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 15:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

PS: my descriptions seemed weird... NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 15:31, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Nevermind, i think someone resized it. would it delete my previous uploaded image of anthony ler or both my uploaded images? NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 01:51, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply Nelson. Yes, for non-free media, a bot will automatically delete unused files/resize photos. So do not worry. I think you have done a great job for your first upload. Hopefully you are more experienced in the tool now. :) Seloloving (talk) 06:42, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

thank you, seloloving. its definitely helpful, your intructions, even though it does take time for me to comprehend and execute the method. i am now feeling assured hearing your comments --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 08:37, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Oh yes, i want to ask. i am planning to upload a photo of Z, the 15 year old suspect in the anthony ler article, and a childhood photo of anthony ler's daughter, which she took together with her mother annie leong. would it be considered invasion of privacy if living persons' photos, like released criminals and loved ones of the victims/criminals, have their photos shown which might potentially lead to recoginition by those who knew them but not knowing their pasts or connections to those convicts or suspects? --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 08:43, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Please do not upload the photo of Z, or any other living people, as it would not be justified under non-free media. In addition, there are privacy considerations in place not to link innocent people (daughter, children) to the biographies of convicted people. Please feel free to continue asking me anything that comes your way, too. Seloloving (talk) 09:00, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

i understand, seloloving. thank you. i will just upload one photo of solely annie leong herself. the photo of the murder victims are still acceptable right? --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 09:05, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It may not be acceptable too, as the article is about Anthony Ler and not Annie Leong, the non-free media clause states that such photos of deceased persons can only be used at the top of their biographical pages, and Wikipedia is extremely strict on this. Sorry. Seloloving (talk) 09:06, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

its okay. i can understand. thank you for clarifying my doubts --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 09:11, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

hello seloloving. how have you been? i want to inquire you one thing. i just received some notification about orphaned image of anthonyler.jgp, which i uploaded before uploading the current image used, since i am clueless about the fact that the image will be resized by the bot or whatever is it. would it affect me or kena go after me for any violation? --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 14:56, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * That's because if a non-free media is not used, it will be deleted automatically. Don't worry, there's no violation here and the bot will delete it soon enough. Seloloving (talk) 15:07, 30 August 2021 (UTC)


 * thanks, bro. i understand now :) --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 01:47, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

SSeloloving, i read your message. what to do since it is the picture of a crime scene? and the copyright thing --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 03:26, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

ok sure i will take them down. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 04:25, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

how is it that derek chauvin and those in prison have their photos posted? its weird NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 04:31, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * That's because the photos are used in the article about their biography. 2010 Kallang slashing is not a biography of Tony Imba. Tony Imba is also not notable enough to have his own page.
 * In addition, the photo of Kim Hyon-hui you have uploaded is a press photo from a news agency, and that is not allowed as press agencies have an interest in selling their photos for commercial use. Seloloving (talk) 04:34, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * In addition, the photo of Kim Hyon-hui you have uploaded is a press photo from a news agency, and that is not allowed as press agencies have an interest in selling their photos for commercial use. Seloloving (talk) 04:34, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

oh i see guess really need help to consult you before uploading photos thanks for enlightenment NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 04:38, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

and err...i was thinking of uploading a photo of iskandar rahmat in the article of kovan murders. would you agree with it?

besides i was also wondering if can separate page since theres a huge amt of detail about iskandar before the crime NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 04:51, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

i mean its in a way valid right? since he confirm going to hang sometime later NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 04:54, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * A separate page may not be justifiable, as he is still known primarily for a single event which can be merged into the page on the murders. As for the photo of him, we cannot say for certainty he will be executed as he may still be reprieved, however unlikely and remote the chances are. You will have to wait for news. Seloloving (talk) 05:08, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

ok sure. and what about wang zhijian of the yishun murders? i am thinking of putting the victims' photos but i hesitated when it comes to wang, because he was most likely executed since he lost his appeal and strangely, there were no reports of his execution or whether he got clemency. and besides, it does not make sense that you already lost your appeal but you can still be alive on death row even after like seven long years since our appeal and you also never do anything to save yourself. its the same for some other people like jonaris badlishah who were sentenced in 1998 for murder and hanged but no reports of their executions. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 06:41, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

sorry for being lengthy above, but to make it short, would wang's photo fail in the criteria? --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 06:41, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * As long as there's no confirmed death date, they are to be taken as still alive even if it makes no sense. Their deaths must be confirmed and reported by reliable media. Seloloving (talk) 07:28, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Seloloving, i want to ask you. there is a image of Piang Ngaih Don's abusers who were pictured in a police van but not facing the camera. would it fail the criteria? the link is below here. --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 14:35, 12 September 2021 (UTC) https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/mother-and-daughter-charged-with-murdering-myanmar-domestic-worker-0

Nelson, both of these individuals are still alive, and automatically fail the criteria. You cannot upload photos of people that are still alive. Seloloving (talk) 14:42, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

thank you. i just curious if this also fails even though they were technically not having their faces photographed. what about the crime scene, the flat where the maid was abused to death? --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 14:45, 12 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello


 * Photos of the crime scene are not used to identify a person, and will fail the non-free media criteria.


 * One photo of the maid, as she's deceased, is allowed to identify her at the top of the page about her murder.


 * Photo of the two arrested people, as they are still alive, is not allowed, and they do not have a biographical article. The page detailing their abuse is not about their lives, but about the case itself. It will fail the non-free media criteria.


 * In short, you cannot upload any non-free photos of the crime scene and accused, as they will fail the non-free media criteria. Seloloving (talk) 03:09, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

ok seloloving. so i can upload it once it is confirmed that he died right? NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 02:42, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

i mean the photo of nagaenthran dharmalingam and his original death warrant right? NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 02:42, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

thank you for the advice though NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 02:43, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Inquiries
Seloloving, hi. Its me nelson, i want to ask you something. I recently uploaded but somehow someone say about this and that and even tell me to use this in wherever to dispute replacable things or something else.

I want to know how to settle it --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 14:08, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Jumping in as Seloloving is rather busy IRL at the moment, and he requested offwiki to have someone reply you on this matter. There are a couple of reasons why the file may not be applicable for the non-free fair criteria:
 * 1. There are free images of the subject already, even if they may be dated. Thus non-free images are generally not allowed. See the first criteria at WP:NFCCP The portrait image that is currently displayed on the article page is dated 2020, which is not too far off anyway.
 * 2. Non-free image uploads, if there are no free images uploaded, are usually not encouraged for living persons (and for recently dead persons), as they are still alive and thus plenty of opportunities for an free image of the living person to be captured and uploaded. For recently dead persons, it is encouraged to approach the copyright owner to release the photo into public domain or release under creative commons license. As to the timeframe, it is indetermine and dependent on consensus and other issues surrounding the death. Even then, I personally would try to wait for six months. See WP:BDP for more details on recent death guidelines. It also may eat into respecting of commercial opportunities of the non-free image if such uploads are encouraged. (second criteria at NFCCP).
 * For some BLPs, you may see official photos being utilised, i.e. c:File:Foo Mee Har.jpg on Foo Mee Har. In normal circumstances, these files may not be allowed to be uploaded here or on commons as the copyright is typical held either by the subject or the organisation they are representing/represented by. However, an editor had gone the lengths to secure the right or persmissions to treat the images as free images from the subject or organisation, hence they can be uploaded onto here or even commons. – robertsky (talk) 13:06, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Robertsky, and thanks to u too, seloloving --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 13:45, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Voice of concern for “adding the resources”.
Firstly, I would like to thank you for the introduction of me entering wikipedia.

You have really provided me sources for me to know wikipedia better and to give me a fresh start.

However, I would like to voice a concern regarding my edit in the “Workers’ Party Youth-Wing” title. Recently, I had added the Vice-President which is “Mr Koh” of the EXCO youth-wing committee.

I would also like to request that under the different constituencies, like ALJUNIED GRC in the “Town-Council” section there should be a list of key members in the town council so that wikipedia viewers/users can know who manages their estate. I seek your permission regarding these issues.

Do reply soon, ones again thank you for the fresh start in wikipedia. FactInformationEditor (talk) 11:32, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

The Sources, in which is listed are in the different town council websites. I respect the Copyright and give references. Your upmost sincerity. FactInformationEditor (talk) 11:36, 20 December 2021 (UTC)


 * My apologies, I have reinstated the Vice-President Nathaniel Koh parameter in the infobox. However, as he is unlikely to be notable at this point, I have unlinked it as Wikipedia has a criteria for notability before a page can be created for a person. As Nathaniel Koh has not won a election and gained substantial news coverage, he's unlikely to pass the criteria.


 * May I clarify what do you mean by "key members in the town council"? In most of the GRC/SMC pages, the town council which manages the constituency is already listed. As the pages are not about the town councils specifically (and they are unlikely to be notable enough to gain a separate page), there's a risk of conflating the elected members of the constituency with town council leaders.


 * If I misunderstood you and you refer to the removal of the links to the town council webpages yesterday, it's because the page is not about the town councils, but the WP specifically. It would also mean adding more than two dozen PAP town council pages to the PAP's external links section, which is simply not acceptable per WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:LINKFARM. Do let me know if you require further help. Seloloving (talk) 01:48, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for responding to my queries, i fully understand.

Thank you! FactInformationEditor (talk) 03:08, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Maritime Security Task Force (MSTF) and Maritime Security (MARSEC) Command
Hi,

You made edits across several pages relating to MSTF and MARSEC Command. You may wish to know that both are distinct entities; your edit "The Maritime Security Command (MARSEC) was formed in June 2020 as part of the internal restructuring of the prior Maritime Security Task Force (MSTF)" is not accurate. MSTF is task-organised, just like SOTF; MARSEC Command is type-organised.

MSTF still exists. See official MINDEF news release dated 12 November 2021:

"This included the securing of the area of operations by the RSN's Maritime Security Task Force and PCG, MPA's diversion and management of maritime traffic, SOTF storming operations on board the hijacked vessel, and activation of SCDF to extinguish a simulated fire on board the vessel."

You may also understand more about the restructuring in this MINDEF news release dated 29 Jun 2020:

"the restructured MSTF will have two operational groups set up to oversee the control and execution of maritime security operations." This shows that MSTF did not evolve into MARSEC Command as suggested in your edits. In fact, there are now three operational groups under MSTF.

"The MARSEC Command is responsible for building up, training and maintaining the capabilities of RSN platforms that are deployed primarily for maritime security operations. The existing squadrons under the MARSEC Command will be reorganised into three flotillas with specialised roles to better raise, train and sustain capabilities that are critical for the protection of Singapore’s waters." This shows that MARSEC Command is not a new entity, and that the restructuring involved transforming the previous squadrons to flotillas.

Please revert the necessary edits across all pages. Travisyoung (talk) 13:49, 29 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello According to the RSN's page, there's no longer any MSTF in the RSN chain of command. May I know how precisely does the MSTF fit into the overall scheme of things before proceeding? There's also no MARSEC command prior to its establishment. Seloloving (talk) 13:21, 29 December 2021 (UTC)


 * It will be hard to understand what I'm saying if you only base your edits solely from the type organisation chart in RSN's page. As mentioned previously, MSTF is a standing task force that comprises of units drawn from type-organised units (flotillas) from various parts of the SAF. Do you see Special Operations Task Force or Air Defence Task Force in any organisation charts on MINDEF's pages? You may need to understand the concept of task force first, before you make these edits. For reference, you may refer to List of units of the United States Navy - it gives an idea of how a unit can concurrently have 2 commands - (1) operational command when it is put under operational command of a task force, (2) concurrently reporting to an administrative chain of command (e.g. squadrons). MSTF is the "operational command", while MARSEC Command is the administrative command.


 * Maybe you want to read up on a few MINDEF news releases to understand more about the different task forces?
 * * Air Defence Task Force
 * * Island Defence Task Force
 * * Maritime Security Task Force
 * * Special Operations Task Force
 * * Cybersecurity Task Force
 * Travisyoung (talk) 13:49, 29 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, my confusions stems from the fact that in previous charts and press releases, there is no mention of a "Maritime Security Command". In fact as noted above, the MSTF was listed as a formation in itself, which was equal in status to the present MARSEC Command, which is also listed as a formation at the moment alongside the MSTF. While I have had a better understanding of a task force, I am unfortunately still not clear on how the two co-exists in the RSN's chain of command. I will email them tomorrow for further inquires and to possibly update their chart. Thank you for bringing this to my attention too. Seloloving (talk) 14:17, 29 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I have updated the chart of the NDU's reorganisation accordingly. Seloloving (talk) 14:46, 29 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the edits. NMS should be part of HQ, instead of formation in same line as Fleet. https://www.mindef.gov.sg/web/portal/navy/about/organisational-structure/ Travisyoung (talk) 15:10, 29 December 2021 (UTC)


 * This is very strange - I could have sworn that the NMS was listed among the other five as a formation previously - otherwise where would I have gotten the four subgroups under it? They are not listed in the list of departments at the moment featuring the NMS. Is it possible this is a very recent reorganization also? Seloloving (talk) 15:24, 29 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Anyhow, I have fixed the chart to relegate the NMS to being a department. Please do help me to point out further errors! I greatly appreciate some oversight. Seloloving (talk) 16:17, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Reversions in Phua Bah Lee page
Hi there. I believe that page needs to be protected, the IPs are at it again. TheGreatSG&#39;rean (talk) 14:32, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have reported the IP to AIV board. Seloloving (talk) 14:39, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I'm awaiting action from the admins. Will not be reverting anything until action is taken. TheGreatSG&#39;rean (talk) 14:44, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

About "Limit inferior and limit superior"
Thanks for your latest edits in Limit inferior and limit superior. For your information, the edits that you corrected were not at all in good faith. This was discussed before at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics/Archive/2021/Nov. It seems that the pending changes protection that was put on that page was not enough to deter the offender. In any case, here we are and thanks for the contribution. PatrickR2 (talk) 06:29, 1 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the note. Somehow when reviewing the page, I failed to see the 'Lil squeezing lemma' bit which would have marked it as obvious vandalism. As math is not my strongest suit, I failed to realise on its implications. Apologies. Seloloving (talk) 11:12, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thanks for working hard to improve articles!

🐶 EpicPupper (he/him &#124; talk) 01:12, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * , Thank you, I love kittens and cats. The world would be a better place if everyone owned a kitten. Seloloving (talk) 01:44, 6 January 2022 (UTC)



Lee Kuan Yew
Dear Seloloving

How may I send you a scan of the relevant pages from Poh's book, Living in a Time of Deception?

Sincerely Dumblah — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dumblah (talk • contribs) 11:29, 14 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello. Thank you for replying. Would you be comfortable with emailing me by clicking the "Email this user" option on the sidebar? Do note that choosing this option will enable me to see your email address when you send the scans. Otherwise, I propose WP:Discord if you prefer to remain anonymous. Seloloving (talk) 11:44, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Downtown line Planning map
Hi so for Downtown line got any Original plans or planning station before building if have can you create a map about it?? 138.75.123.13 (talk) 16:42, 14 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Sorry. I am extremely busy at the moment. Remind me in late April or May. Thanks. Seloloving (talk) 13:02, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Ok cool thank you 103.196.112.19 (talk) 01:43, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Which parameter is deprecated?
Hi, in, please show which parameter is deprecated. I cannot find any. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 09:05, 15 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Apologies. I will stop using the default setting in WPCleaner for now. It seems it automatically tags the author-link parameter as deprecated even when it's not. Seloloving (talk) 17:04, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Genting Monorail logo.png
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Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 17:20, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Capital punishment
On Singapore, it wasn't wrong to remove that lengthy sentence defending capital punishment. It was unsourced and was only recently added by the user Leesjy2k. The entire paragraph had also read as if it came out of a gov.sg gazette. Pro-PAP or anti-PAP, it wasn't appropriate. You eventually removed it yourself after having reverted me, so you knew that, and that it wasn't me "righting great wrongs". MordukhovichAleakin (talk) 03:58, 30 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I removed it not because it wasn't inappropriate, but because it was cluttering the lead with too much information. Your justification for the removal was that it was pro-PAP apologia, to which I requested you to stop being too combative in your edit summaries. Please do tone it down with your editing a little, as I do not wish to see you banned and am trying to assist you in contributing to Wikipedia. Seloloving (talk) 04:00, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I appreciate that but I don't need you tracking every edit I make. Seems like I'm always bumping into you. MordukhovichAleakin (talk) 04:05, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I have a lot of Singaporean articles on my watchlist, including highly publicized pages such as its leaders and of course, the Singapore article itself. I would prefer to take a backseat if maintaining these pages isn't so hard. I don't track your edits either, unless they are on my watchlist. I have even approved of several of them and helped to integrate your edits into the material. Let's do cooperate with each other and as the Singaporean editing community is small, and I do my best to assist everybody I come across. Tendentious editing helps no one and is likely to get you banned - and I do not wish for that. Seloloving (talk) 04:08, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

After re-evaluating my edits on the Singapore page, and taking into consideration that you might feel harassed as a new editor, I will cease reverting your edits on the articles I watch (unless they are in violation of WP:BLP), and let other editors judge your edits based on its merits,. I sincerely apologise if I have made you feel that way and hope you will continue to contribute productively. Seloloving (talk) 04:30, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Turkmens

 * This is about my edit in the article Turkmens, I got the new population figures from the website "Ethnologue".Is this website not reliable? Subhan (talk) 12:01, 1 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hey I have no comment if Ethnologue is a reliable source, but the information seems to be locked behind a paywall, and while there should not be a factor, is there a better source for this? It would also help if you attribute the numbers directly (like the other figures) to allow other editors to more easily verify the figures. Seloloving (talk) 12:06, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

I understand and thanks for your reply(Subhan (talk) 12:08, 1 May 2022 (UTC))

Armored Warfare
I'm quite new to this so I'm not sure that I correctly provided reasons behind this article edits. The game is currentlywith the publisher META Publisher as you can see at Steam and Epic Game Store pages:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/443110/Armored_Warfare/ https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/armored-warfare — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blbmars (talk • contribs) 15:40, 5 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I have tried looking for sources, but I am unable to find the date that META Publisher took over the project, only this source stating they own the IP. It also does not specify the PC version exactly or the date it took over the project. Seloloving (talk) 01:18, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, as a matter of fact this take over wasn't publicly announced. However VC article sates that META Publishing is current publisher of the game. So can I add META Publishing as current publisher? I will not add the date a reference to PC version specifically. Please also have a look here: https://armoredwarfare.fandom.com/wiki/Armored_Warfare Blbmars (talk) 09:40, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello!
Hello! I saw that you reverted an edit here, I just wanted to let you know that I left a warning on the other users' talk page for you. Nice work on catching the edit! SPF121188 (talk this way) (contribs) 14:44, 10 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I would normally leave a warning message myself, but I wasn't in the mood tonight. Tired, maybe hungry. Definitely lethargic. Seloloving (talk) 14:49, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I totally understand. It's much earlier where I live so it's no problem at all. Cheers! SPF121188  (talk this way) (contribs) 14:52, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Leuralla
Leuralla is closed! I know as I live nearby! Check Facebook yourself. As I live in New South Wales.


 * Hi there, per Wikipedia's policy on verifiability, we will have to wait until news sources report on it. Even so, this is an encyclopedia, and its closure should not be placed in the article in full caps. Seloloving (talk) 13:47, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Event Horizon Telescope
For what it's worth, you commented "telescopes don't release images", but Event Horizon Telescope is both a physical array of instruments and a collaboration of scientists (2nd paragraph of EHT intro). When the project makes a release, they release it under the name of the collaboration. It is valid to say "Event Horizon Telescope released...". Regards, Tarl N. ( discuss ) 15:06, 12 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the note. Feel free to revert my edit. Astronomy is just a side passion of mine. Seloloving (talk) 15:08, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Serbian mafia
Why did you delate all my reliable sourced contents that were already proved by many expert editors??? Make like it was please cuz I spend a lot of time and did hard work to make this. Your delating was not right. All sources were reliable! 2A02:908:D93:7680:2C13:5D22:D791:733A (talk) 18:25, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

If you are not going to make back my sourced contents I will contact Wikipedia on +1 415-839-6885 and going to share situation with them 2A02:908:D93:7680:2C13:5D22:D791:733A (talk) 18:26, 13 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I am not going to reinstate your edits. Your edits were near incoherent, with many grammatical errors, and not consistent with Wikipedia's manual of style or content guidelines. They may be sourced, but they broke the page beyond recognition. Your edits are also similar to a blocked user ZnatNepo23892. If you are ZnatNepo23892, you are not allowed to edit while blocked. Seloloving (talk) 18:32, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Making original plan for downtown line
Hi is may already are you planning to create downtown line original plan map? 138.75.66.160 (talk) 10:57, 5 May 2022 (UTC)


 * The Downtown Line is not as simple to create, as it consists of three sections - the Bukit Timah Line, Circle Line extension, and Eastern Region Line. I will look into it but it's not as simple as the North East Line. Seloloving (talk) 01:15, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Tense
Hi. Re. "Observations ... in 2010 showed that it was", the verbs are both past tense because we're speaking of a past event. If you want to say "is", then we'd need both to be non-past, with "Observations ... show that it is", in which case we'd also need to drop the date. — kwami (talk) 06:28, 13 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I would like to apologise...I got your notification on my phone and meant to reply once I was back on my computer, but completely forgot.
 * In any case - yeah, I wasn't sure whether it should have been 'is' or 'was', since Eris being smaller than Pluto is not going to change for the foreseeable future. Thanks for the explanation. Seloloving (talk) 18:20, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Article Counter Earth section Scientific analysis
There were definitely some sources in what you removed. AnonMoos (talk) 23:30, 13 May 2022 (UTC)


 * My mistake. I have reinstated the sourced material. Thank you for the notification, it's appreciated. Seloloving (talk) 04:22, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Negrito source
Hello, I just saw your request for source and verification. I have included a new source which explicitly mentions the trifurication (ie. sourcing the sentence about the ancient population which gave rise to East Asians, Oceanians, and Indigenous South Asians). Eg.: "Genetic studies comparing present-day Australasians and Asians show that they likely derived from a single dispersal out of Africa, rapidly differentiating into three main lineages: one that persists partially in South Asia, one that is primarily found today in Australasia, and one that is widely represented across Siberia, East Asia, and Southeast Asia.". Thank you.103.154.184.239 (talk) 11:37, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the clarification, I have accepted your edits. Seloloving (talk) 11:41, 16 May 2022 (UTC)