User talk:Sergecross73/Archive 51

AtlusZachary socks
Thanks for offering to block these AtlusZachary socks as they pop up. I found another one active today:. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 00:48, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem. Thank you for reporting him. Please keep at it whenever you find him. Sergecross73   msg me  01:24, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * And another one: . NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 01:14, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Blocked. Sergecross73   msg me  03:02, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Speaking of "blocked": Q543frodomar was also your Playstation friend. Drmies (talk) 19:39, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Really? I'm a bit surprised - Q5 says he is Bambifan, who seemed prolific in their disruption. My guy just seems to come back once a year to say something stupid and get blocked. I suppose Q5 could be lying about being Bambifan though. Either that, or he's prolific in disruption but only blesses me with his presence on my talk page every once in a while. Or maybe I'm missing something else? Sergecross73   msg me  19:51, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Got another two:,. Second one I'm about 95% sure of, but I'm not going to bet my house on it. Does AtlusZachary usually engage in petty "your mama" vandalism? NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 23:26, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * No, AtlusZachary is disruptive/incompetent, not outright vandalism. -- ferret (talk) 23:39, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Alright, then maybe ignore the second one. It was probably just a random one-off from someone on the same ISP. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 01:31, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, while he has occasional outbursts on talk pages, his edits aren't usually vandalism as much as they're just factually incorrect or misinformed. Blocked the first, will keep an eye on the second - doesn't look like him, but they're not good edits coming from it all the same. Sergecross73   msg me  02:55, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Another burst of activity for today:. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:18, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Blocked. I must say, I've never come across anyone who was so prolific at making misguided edits, getting instantly reverted, and still keeping at it. I mean, he's got close to 2 years worth of editing at this point, and has like a 1% success rate of his edits sticking. It's unreal. Sergecross73   msg me  21:35, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * For sheer disruptive incompetence, I'd say it's difficult to beat AtlusZ. I know a few LTA vandals who've likely made more edits than me, and I'm in the top 2500 editors by edit count.  There was one who specialized in genre warring in the same articles for over six years (indefinite semi-protection was the only thing that stopped him), another that added Liam Neeson to every cartoon ever made (a couple of those got indefinitely semi-protected, too, I think), and one who was doing copy-paste moves for something like a year before he finally gave up (you can see a small snapshot of the drama at ). NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 22:41, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Wow. Most vandals I've dealt with seem to usually give up after a few weeks or months of getting their work rejected over and over again. Or they adapt so they don't get caught. He hasn't done either. Sergecross73   msg me  00:06, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

seems to be another AtlusZachary sock:, ; ,. Technically, I guess I should be going to WP:SPI for this, but it'll sit there for two weeks before anyone notices it. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:05, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I was on the fence about this one - just because he's never historically made any other accounts that didn't have any combination of "Zachary" or "Atlus" in it, but later edits, like the pointless redirects, were classic Zachary. Someone else indef blocked him instead though. Sergecross73   msg me  13:27, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Whoops, it seems you took it to ANI after I didn't respond, so you were the one responsible for getting it taken care of - I didn't need to update you on it haha. Sorry about that. Feel free to prod me if I don't respond to things in a day or two - sometimes when I look into something, and can't decide what to do, I forget about it altogether. That being said, it was a good call going to ANI for a rangeblock, since I still don't have a grasp on doing those... Sergecross73   msg me  13:31, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

I wonder if would be willing to help with some more range blocks. 2A02:C7D:561D:1D00:* appears to be entirely AtlusZachary. The older (but clearly similar) range was 2A02:C7D:564B:D300:*. The lesser used range 2A02:C7D:567A:6900:* appears to all be him. It's always under 2A02:C7D, but shifts slightly on the third node (567A, 564B, 561D). -- ferret (talk) 14:07, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * That would be awesome, but it looks like his last edit was about 10 months ago, so I don't know if he's around or not. One of these days I'll have to learn how to do it. It took like 3 weeks to get someone to do it at ANI, despite a clear consensus in support of doing one, so there must be a shortage of people who know how to do them... Sergecross73   msg me  14:12, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Found the category of range block willing admins... has helped with some of the Eik Corell harassers before, maybe she'd be willing to take a look. -- ferret (talk) 14:22, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll take a look. I can do a /64 rangeblock in my sleep but I'm not familiar with this particular sockmaster. Can you give me the CliffsNotes version? I'm in the middle of a cluster of headaches so my concentration isn't the best, and I'm not quite able to piece it together completely from what's here in this section. Katietalk 17:20, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * AtlasZachary is the sockmaster. An apparently younger editor who has been disruptively/incompetently editing for 2-3 years now. Focus is on video games and tv/film articles, typically making poorly sourced edits or using non-standard conventions in regards to who the publisher/developer of a video game, film or show was. He's had at least 10 usernames blocked and dozens of IPs, including a prior range block that Borean helped setup. Typically ignores any efforts to utilize talk page, and the exceptions are typically to use all caps in manners like "DONT EDIT MY PAGE STOP REVERTING ME" -- ferret (talk) 17:30, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that about covers it. Tons and tons of objectively false edits to the creators/developers/publisher/distributors of media like video games, television, and movies, and any efforts to reach out to him to discuss/explain/reprimand is usually 95% silence, 5% random outburst not addressing anything said to him, so we've just resorted to the "block and revert" approach.
 * He first appeared under IPs, and does a vast majority of his damage through IPs, but the first name we found him editing under was, so we usually refer to him as Zachary. (Additionally, a Youtube video by a Zachary something-or-other declares Sergecross73 "The Worst Wikipedia User Ever", something I've always assumed to be related to to all this, so that's another reason for the name.) Sergecross73   msg me  17:54, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I thought I was the worst Wikipedia user ever. ;-) The individual /64 range, which are almost always one end user, seem to be blocked already. But since he's hopping around pretty regularly,  I've blocked 2a02:c7d:5600::/41 for two weeks. A rough comparison would be blocking a couple of groups of IP addresses available to a large corporation – sometimes they're on this subsection of the network, sometimes that one, and this rangeblock gets the whole section. If it resumes from another address, ping me and I'll look again.  :-) Katietalk 18:10, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Awesome, will do. Thanks so much! Sergecross73   msg me  18:15, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Katie! -- ferret (talk) 19:08, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

What do you think of ? Seems to fit, plus I've noticed similar vandalism from other 31.52 and 31.53 ranges, like. Different ISP but same behavior. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 11:31, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think it hits on virtually all of his traits... Sergecross73   msg me  18:00, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The IPV6 range Katie blocked for us appears to be a French ISP. 31.5x is BT in the UK. Based on his youtube video slamming Serge, I'd say that's another sign. -- ferret (talk) 18:05, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Mario Sports: Super Stars listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Mario Sports: Super Stars. Since you had some involvement with the Mario Sports: Super Stars redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Steel1943 (talk) 23:36, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I explained there what happened here. Will be rectified eventually regardless. Sergecross73   msg me  02:27, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Thanks, same to you! Sergecross73   msg me  20:45, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Possible sockpuppets
There is this user named Inorap, I think this user is using different accounts to make disruptive edits to Wikipedia. Here's a example of these edits. These IPs goes around vandalized the album ratings template by adding star ratings while the source itself doesn't use a star ratings system. Recently this user has made this edit while the sources doesn't use stars. There are numbers of warnings from other editors about using WP:MOS, but this user ignored it. If you look at these articles, The Sun's Tirade and especially Cilvia Demo, these IP edits look very similar to Inorap's edits. Please take a look at these edits. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 20:14, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Why you guys are ignoring my reports, when I try to tell you guys about these edits are being disruptive to Wikipedia and don't go by the guidelines. I'm getting very annoyed by this. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 21:19, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Are you serious right now? This is my talk page, not a formal noticeboard. I enjoy volunteering my time to help others, but I'm not obligated to drop everything and look into every request right away. I haven't been particularly active today (or this past week), so I don't know why you expected instant results on this. There's also the fact that that I'm unfamiliar with this editor, so it's far more difficult to make an educated call on this one, compared to many if the others I deal with, where I've personally interacted with the editors for months on end.
 * That out of the way, I can't make a clear call on what you've provided. Yes, they're similar, but many editors obsess and waste time on pointless style edits like this, so I can't really say for sure they're related. Sergecross73   msg me  04:20, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I being rude in my last comment. So you're saying that I need go to the noticeboard to report my clams, right? TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 22:35, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm saying if you're unhappy with my speed of replying to you (especially if taking longer than an hour irritates you) use a noticeboard like WP:ANI or WP:SPI. Its up to you on how you proceed in this case in particular. Compared to others, I'd say I'd probably fall on the more "easier to convince" side of things when it comes to blocks and page protection. So if I'm not particularly convinced here, I'm not sure how well your case, as it is above, is going to go anywhere elsewhere either. Sergecross73   msg me  18:08, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, I go to WP:ANI or WP:SPI next time when I feel there are sockpuppets making disruptive editing in articles. And to be honest, I'm kinda new to this, I never report sockpuppets before in the my time on Wikipedia, so sorry if I come out being impatient to you, I know you're busy with things and don't have the time to reply to anyone when you're busy. So thanks for the tips. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 13:29, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

SegaSonic Bros. listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect SegaSonic Bros.. Since you had some involvement with the SegaSonic Bros. redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Steel1943 (talk) 20:04, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Feel free to delete. At one time I had hoped to make an article out of it, but it never ended up gaining any coverage outside of Sonic fansite circuit. I can't even properly source a sentence in the series article. Sergecross73   msg me  20:23, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Rise: Race to the Future
In the list of Nintendo Switch games, I noticed that you seem to have forgotten to add "Rise: Race to the Future". Here is a link for proof: https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/rise_race_to_the_future_will_be_coming_to_nintendo_nx/1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nintendoswitchfan (talk • contribs) 04:01, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Interesting. That game sounds familiar. I wonder if it was on at one point, but removed for some reason? Regardless, it can be sourced, so I agree it should be on. I'll add it. Sergecross73   msg me  13:37, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, it seems the developer later removed all mentions of NX or Switch from their site. It is not currently listed as a supported platform. -- ferret (talk) 13:48, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Oh ok. That's too bad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nintendoswitchfan (talk • contribs) 14:53, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Alphabetical Coding for List of Nintendo Switch Games
I just noticed that the letter "Y" shortcut doesn't work when clicked even though the game "Yooka-Laylee" starts with the letter Y, unlike the other game Tank It which has a proper functioning letter T shortcut. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nintendoswitchfan (talk • contribs) 17:12, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Fixed. -- ferret (talk) 17:16, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing it out, and thanks to Ferret for fixing it so fast. I sometime struggle with some of the chart formatting, so it no doubt would have taken me longer... Sergecross73   msg me  17:40, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Shovel Knight: Treasure Trove for the Nintendo Switch
A new Nintendo Switch game has just been announced yesterday so it's not on the list yet as it seems. It's "Shovel Knight: Treasure Trove" which is basically a revamped version of the original Shovel Knight.

Source: http://yachtclubgames.com/2017/01/switch-up/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nintendoswitchfan (talk • contribs) 10:32, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
 * It would probably best to post these at Talk:List of Nintendo Switch games so other editors can see them. That way if Serge is busy and away, it can still be worked on. -- ferret (talk) 12:10, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks for informing me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nintendoswitchfan (talk • contribs) 12:23, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, by all means, you're free to comment as much as you want on my talk page, but I am only one person, while there are many people at the talk page of the List of Nintendo Switch games article, so you may get a faster response there. (Especially with the big reveal happening today/tonight - I imagine there will be a lot of people at the article the next few days.) That being said, I think Shovel Knight is already on the list, unless you want the Treasure Trove subtitle added, which seems accurate as far as I can tell. Sergecross73   msg me  13:39, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Nintendo Switch Games Exclusivity Breakdown
I just noticed that the total number of games in the breakdown is only 20 which does not match the said 22 confirmed games. I believe the 14 multiplatform games should be equal to 16 since the 2 newly added games are multiplatform based on the color code. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nintendoswitchfan (talk • contribs) 10:55, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Updated the counts. Not sure why the counter says 22, there's 21 rows that I can see. Fixed. -- ferret (talk) 12:13, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Yeah, Nintendoswitchfan, people pretty commonly add/remove entries without updating the numbers, so they do require constant maintenance. Looks like ferret fixed up this one too this time. FYI, once your account is 4 days old and you've made 10 edits, you'll be able to edit the article yourself too. So, pretty soon in your case. Sergecross73   msg me  13:44, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Just please be careful and note some of the information I provided on your talk page. Make sure additions you try to make are backed by reliable sources. WP:VG/RS can help you determine some of the video game websites typically seen as reliable. -- ferret (talk) 13:47, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Sonic Generations Stage List
On the Sonic Generations page, there is a list for all the stages featured in both versions of the game. I removed it because no other games (Mario 64, other Sonic games, etc) have columns that discuss this. It was added back, however, because there was apparently a discussion on the talk page about having the stage list. I understand this, but it feels wrong to have it there because we didn't have stage lists for Mario Maker or Mega Man. Do you have any thoughts? (TheJoebro64 (talk) 20:36, 12 January 2017 (UTC))
 * Yes, I was involved in that discussion to keep it. Yes, we do try to generally limit the long lists/charts in video game articles on Wikipedia (WP:GAMECRUFT), but a little more leniency is given on the topic in situations like this, when the list is more crucial to fundamentally understanding the game. For example, we don't list of levels in Sonic 3, it means nothing to the reader - its just names. But if you list out the levels in Sonic Generations, the levels mean something, as in its describing which games are being taken to fundamentally create the concept of the game. It is a bit of a judgement call, and you're free to start up a new discussion on it if you, but we do use lists moreso in some situation, like in game compilations (Sonic Mega Collection) or crossover games (Tales of VS, Project X Zone, etc.) where it helps give the reader context on what they're trying to do in the game. Sergecross73   msg me  20:48, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

IP reporting Ryulong
Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents (permalink)

I have interacted with over IRC for some days now. From their questions to me and other editors on IRC, it appears as though they have been more involved in reporting at SPI recently. They have been quite involved in antivandalism work. Let alone the WP:FISHING request of the case filer, I wonder if the suddenly, all-knowing (of Wikipedia's policies and practices) IP editor is the sock of someone drewmutt reported. Pinging per your comment at ANI earlier. --JustBerry (talk) 02:31, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I was wondering as to how an IP (which started editing the 'pedia last month) somehow acquired such knowledge of the 'pedia. GoodDay (talk) 02:34, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, could be. I noticed the IP has already been blocked once recently for bothering Jimmy Wales himself, so it could also just be a general disruptive editor too... Sergecross73   msg me  02:42, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I would say. GoodDay (talk) 02:44, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Pinging blocking admin of . --JustBerry (talk) 02:46, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I checked 206.255.40.* for related IP editors. No relation found yet, and it's probable that new IPs assigned to that specific editor are much beyond that IP range. Will do more digging. --JustBerry (talk) 02:46, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Aha! Tokumei Sentai Go-Busters (page history). --JustBerry (talk) 02:47, 13 January 2017 (UTC)


 * I blocked the IP for persistent trolling at WP:JIMBOTALK, nothing else. This: says lack of competence. Guy (Help!) 10:07, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Alright, well, they've stopped for about 24 hours at least. Feel free to contact me if you see the IP causing disruption elsewhere. Thanks. Sergecross73   msg me  16:16, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Xenoblade (series) article?
With the addition of Xenoblade Chronicles 2, the Xenoblade games is now made up of 3 main games. I have started a dialogue here--I hope you and others can provide some inputs on this matter. :) --MomoQca (talk) 15:28, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I still don't really think one is necessary, especially with such a well written Xeno (series) article. I mean, I could barely squeeze the XB2 article out of stub status. I still think we should wait longer - either once XB2 is out, or has received a lot of detailed info leading up to its release. Sergecross73   msg me  15:37, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Spit (album)
Are you the one who helped me with the Results May Vary article? Can you help me with the Spit (album) article? Thanks. Statik N (talk) 20:45, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I helped trim and reword Results May Vary a few months back. I can try to look into Spit sometime, though I'm not really familiar with the band or the album. I mean, I've heard of Kittie, just never really heard much of their stuff. Sergecross73   msg me  21:05, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

On Lin Lee
Hello, Serge. I trust you're doing well.

Thank you for your work on the Lin Lee article, though I'd be remiss not to say a lot of the article is misinformed. A lot of the purported changes are not reflected in the final game and they are based on incorrect reports from before the game was released. Here are some points, in particular:


 * The player's ability to equip her in more revealing outfits (the more risque outfits were altered, not restricted altogether.)
 * The quote that the "few remaining qualities that both the Eastern and Western version of Lin share are her facial features and hairstyle" (Lin's appearance in everything save the aforementioned outfits is completely identical between the Eastern and Western versions, including her default outfit that is featured in the infobox.)

I am working on another change to the article right now. I'm aware you're far more interested in the discussion surrounding her censorship than the actual final game, but if I recall correctly Wikipedia must maintain neutrality in this aspect. --DonnaclusX (talk) 18:43, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi . I'm just reporting on what sources said. That's the number one rule of Wikipedia. Feel free to tweak while still remaining faithful to the sources present, or adding what you can verify with new reliable sources. Perhaps some of the game reviews have more content on the final versions? I've played the game, but I just put Lin in a T-shirt and jeans for the whole game, so I don't personally know the limits of what could be done or what was restricted. I don't really even have any interest in the whole "video game censorship debate" honestly, I just put it in the article because it was the only way to get the character to meet Wikipedia's notability requirements. Its a major part of what sources discussed about her in her dedicated coverage.
 * I'm sure we can keep discussing to come to a common ground. I just took action right away because I saw that don't really edit all that often, so I wasn't even sure if you'd end up coming back at all. Sergecross73   msg me  18:52, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Fair enough! The deal is though, these sources that imply Lin's outfit have radically changed are misinformed. I guess I'll add a citation needed to my edit regarding this matter since I unfortunately do not have any sources to the contrary but comparisons between the two final products that I have carried out myself. --DonnaclusX (talk) 19:27, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * We're getting there. We can't cite Neogaf (or any messageboard) due to WP:USERG but I'm pretty sure one of the sources mentions the same content, so I'll fix that. There were a couple other sourcing things I need to alter, but overall its good. I appreciate the addition of her JP VA with a ref too, thanks. Sergecross73   msg me

Redirecting
Hey, Serge. Can you redirect the page Sonic the Hedgehog Megamix to List of unofficial Sonic media? The page was deleted a long time ago (2009), so only admins can edit or redirect it.(TheJoebro64 (talk) 22:28, 18 January 2017 (UTC))
 * ✅. -- ferret (talk) 22:31, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Bogus "LTA" accusation
Perhaps you could review my constructive work at List of music considered the worst, and look into why I'm being accused of an "abuser". I'm trying to help the article, and because one person decides I'm a troll, another has jumped on board with an anti-IP agenda. Also, why isn't Marianna251 being blocked for 3RR violation as well? 82.221.133.88 (talk) 19:16, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * If you are indeed a banned user, as is suspected, Mariana is protected by WP:3RRNO., can you expand on why you think it's this banned user at the List of music considered the worst?  Sergecross73   msg me  19:23, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Simply put, that article is one of his favorites. His socks keep coming back to it, so I added it to my watchlist. I know that lately the IP's he uses to evade blocks geolocate to Iceland (here's another recent example: Special:Contributions/82.221.133.62), and when I saw those edit summaries complaining about WP:OWN, accusing me of trolling, etc. I knew that it was him. Sro23 (talk) 19:31, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. Thank you. Sergecross73   msg me  19:38, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Romhacking.net
For articles like List of unofficial Sonic media or List of unofficial Mario media, is Romhacking.net a reliable source? I'm not sure if I should use it to source certain hacks (Sonic in Chaotix, Kazio Mario, etc.) (TheJoebro64 (talk) 00:43, 24 January 2017 (UTC))
 * I don't believe it is a usable source on Wikipedia. There's two issues present.
 * Its probably not likely to meet our reliable source concept - it appears to be a fansite website about hacking. These websites run by enthusiasts/fans generally don't have any qualifications as journalist/writers, don't have editorial oversight or policies, etc.
 * There's additional issues in the capacity that the website directly links to hacked games, which range from "lega gray area" to "straight up illegal" in their substance, causing a WP:COPYVIO issue. Basically, you don't want to link to any websites hosting potentially illegal content. It's still okay to discuss, and use sources like Kotaku or IGN, because they don't even actually host or offer the content for download, they just talk about it. But directly linking to it would be bad. Sergecross73   msg me  17:18, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, I wasn't sure about that site. Some authorized hacks/mods are on Steam workshop too, are those alright to use? (TheJoebro64 (talk) 17:39, 24 January 2017 (UTC))
 * Yeah, there shouldn't be any legal issues with anything that is authorized, though I'd try to use Steam pages sparingly. Some interpret that as a form of promotion because you're essentially providing a direct link to being able to purchase the game. Sergecross73   msg me  17:45, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Yggdra Union
Hi there, I have a query regarding the naming convention of the video game, Yggdra Union. You see, the full title of the video game is released, distributed and published as Yggdra Union: We'll Never Fight Alone, however, User:Czar argues that the name Yggdra Union should be used because of per subtitle naming convention and WP:CRITERIA, was he correct to do that? Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 22:48, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, in a technical sense, Czar is right. It's so poorly enforced that it's no surprise you didn't know about it. I honestly forget sometimes myself, with how frequently I see it done both ways. I don't personally change them unless their ludicrously long - like some of the Dragon Quest games, like Dragon Quest Swords. Sergecross73   msg me  23:36, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I understand. I assumed that video games were an exception to the rule because they were legally documented by their full name. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 20:14, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we're generally not bound by any sort of legal documentation when it comes to naming - across the entire website, we're supposed to adhere to WP:COMMONNAME. But it is confusing with how we handle subtitles - partially because its so poorly enforced, and partially because, much of the time, the subtitle is required due to following WP:PRECISION as well. I mean, for example, the article I'm working on at the moment - Super Monkey Ball: Banana Splitz - we need the subtitle in this instance, because otherwise there'd be a ton of Monkey Ball games with the same name and extraneous disambiguation added on. Sergecross73   msg me  21:24, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Luke's article
Are you interested in nominating Luke's article to GA? I say it because now I'm busy with s-CRY-ed's nomination to GA and I am planning to start a peer review with D.Gray-man. Feel free to nominate Luke if you want. Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 16:56, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I fully support the article, and will continue to argue for its existence should it be nominated for merger/deletion, but that's just it - it seems like GA noms for articles like this seem to grab the attention of the editors obsessed with merging back fictional character articles, reigniting all those discussions again. I personally think it'd be better off as a B class article that exists over a GA-reviewed redirect. But that's just my two cents, which makes sense, since I don't really deal with the GA process much. Feel free to do what you want, I'll support whatever you feel is the best direction for the article. Sergecross73   msg me  01:49, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Bracket problem in the editing process.
When editing List of Nintendo 3DS games, there's seems to be a problem with the spacing. Why is that? And can we change it back?Zacharyalejandro (talk) 02:19, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I'm not really sure what you're talking about yet. Can you explain more? Sergecross73   msg me  01:50, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for moving it. Also, this user I've come across makes one of these pages [at least] once a day. Gel gel aman - and they're all seemingly non-notable. I'm confused about them to be honest. what do you think? --Jennica ✿ / talk 05:14, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
 * No problem. It's easy for me or Ferret to move them for you if you need help with it - it's pretty much just an extra click of a button after we check to confirm that there's no actual article at the new name. As for Gel Gel Aman, yeah I have no idea. Sure is poorly written and sourced. But sometimes there is sourcing out there that people can surprisingly scrounge up. Not that I can tell if it's likely here - I don't know anything of foreign folk music (or whatever this is.) Sergecross73   msg me  05:25, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

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13:37, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Re: Warning
YOU are an edit warrior. You go out of your way to push an agenda even when an attempt is made to go for a neutral standing based on sources which you go against. 68.185.2.34 (talk) 18:22, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I reverted your edit (one revert) because you removed sourced content, and added content without a source next to it as a replacement. That is not edit warring in any sense of the word, that's editing according to the fundamentals of Wikipedia policy. Sergecross73   msg me  18:29, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Sergecross73 - just to let you know, I tried to reinstate your warning but the user reverted my edits. I'm not pinging them in to this as they'd likely undo it anyway.  Thanks.   Dr Strauss   talk  18:26, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. And don't worry about it. I imagine they'll be blocked shortly. Sergecross73   msg me  18:29, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Was about to block as well, but Serge got there first. -- ferret (talk) 18:31, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Glad to see an outsider come to the same conclusion. I'm pretty sure its this guy who's been genre-warring at Mudvayne related articles for years now. Sergecross73   msg me  15:28, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Vandalism pt 16
Posting for Serge ;) Here's the 16th iteration of Serge's personal WP:AIV. Let me him know if you like me him to look into any instances that you feel may require warnings, blocks, page protections, or just general intervention. Thanks! -- ferret (talk) 22:29, 15 November 2016 (UTC)


 * is back, you blocked him in October. Only 2 edits so far, but they are to the same articles and repeating incorrect edits. Not sure if outright vandalism or just unsourced/wrong. -- ferret (talk) 22:29, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for starting this new iteration - I think this was the first time it's ever been inactive enough to auto-archive after 15 iterations. Anyways...I don't know what to do with that guy. What put me over the edge last time was a few edits that were clearly fake, but many of them, then and now, seem more like they could be good faith mistakes. I think I'll probably monitor him for now, until he makes an edit that's clearly bad faith. Because you're probably right, and I'm probably giving them too much credit. Sergecross73   msg me  04:21, 16 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Can you protect Angry Birds POP!? IP hopper keeps restoring level tables even after the consensus to have them removed and claims on the talk page that they will keep doing it. --The1337gamer (talk) 23:33, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Done. Sergecross73   msg me  23:43, 16 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Tripple-dd: . --The1337gamer (talk) 07:49, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I looked into this right away, but forgot to respond. Was having a hard time confirming that it is or isn't him, I could go either way. At least he's pretty much stopped since you mentioned him here (which is probably actually a point towards it being Tripple, since he seems to abandon user names once you bring them to my attention, whether I block them or not... Sergecross73   msg me  21:29, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Here's another edit he just made to Sonic Team: . If you look at the information he's re-adding, the last part is exactly stuff he previously added under Tripple-ddd . --The1337gamer (talk) 12:44, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Good catch. Blocked this time. Sergecross73   msg me  13:59, 3 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Don't know what to do with this guy. He makes a lot of unsourced edits, doesn't read edit notes or warnings (apparently), and often makes minor (Space added/deleted) edits in order to leave news-like edit notes. Disruptive/incompetent. -- ferret (talk) 21:22, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
 * At the very least, this one is objectively false. Will give a final warning at least. Sergecross73   msg me  21:29, 25 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Could you please block this IP? It's the latest sock IP for the the guy who hounds and mass reverts his edits. -- ferret (talk) 20:31, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Widr got 'em. -- ferret (talk) 20:41, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Someone beat me to it. (And they were on top of it - I looked at this like right away!) Sergecross73   msg me  20:42, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Back as . -- ferret (talk) 14:44, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Another, as -- ferret (talk) 23:51, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Blocked both. Sergecross73   msg me  14:33, 1 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Heads up to, , and any other  - after looking into an ANI case I was pinged to, it looks like ol' ZacharyAtlus is back, and probably has been for a few months by looking over things. Not sure if we havent seen him because he doesn't seem to be active in video game articles as much anymore (hes been more into TV/film stuff, which was his secondary area), or if you guys got tired of dealing with him, (I wouldn't blame you) but if you see him, let me know, and I'll look into it. Thanks!  Sergecross73   msg me  14:39, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Team Fortress 2 may need a short prot. Take a look at history. Hoping the editor will move to talk page. -- ferret (talk) 16:38, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Protected, left a note on the editor's talk page about not using wikias. I'll remove it if participants agree to stop. Sergecross73   msg me  16:49, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * FYI, not sure if you followed this further or not, but the editor was indef blocked by another admin, and rightfully so. Sergecross73   msg me  13:47, 6 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Esports is due another prot. Multiple drive by editors in the last month pulling the eSports -> Esports edit against consensus. -- ferret (talk) 22:24, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Bump. Just reverted another eSports->Esports. -- ferret (talk) 19:58, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Whoops! Looked it over. Protected. Sergecross73   msg me  23:21, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * User keeps copy-pasting copyrighted material into Integration testing. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 08:41, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Blocked. Sergecross73   msg me  21:29, 13 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Not directly vandalism, but user has become disruptive and a bit WP:UNCIVIL by spamming my talk page for the last few days regarding what he thinks to be unverifiable information related to the PC port of Death Stranding. It would be appreciated if you could comment yourself on the article's talk page and give your own opinions and perhaps a warning, as he has not listened to me nor Czar, who also agrees that the info should remain on the article. ~  Dissident93  ( talk ) 05:27, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I gave my two cents on it - hopefully that helps. Let me know if I've got the situation wrong - I'm not particularly following developments on that game. The other editor seems to have since apologized about all the talk page comments and said he'll stop, so hopefully that part is all taken care of. Sergecross73   msg me  15:01, 23 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Tripple-ddd: . IP address has the same location as all previously blocked Tripple-ddd IPs. --The1337gamer (talk) 20:10, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Blocked, protected. Sergecross73   msg me  21:15, 28 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Jg back on an old IP for Rise Against. -- ferret (talk) 15:48, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I blocked a user name of his earlier in the week too, so I guess he's back at it. Blocked, protected. Sergecross73   msg me  18:26, 31 December 2016 (UTC)


 * You may have noticed some of these drafts popping up: Draft:Untitled Super Mario game, Draft:Untitled Mario Kart game, Draft:Pokémon Stars, Draft:New Mario RPG Crossover Ubisoft's Rabbids, Draft:Super Mario Galaxy 3, Super Mario Sunshine HD, Super Mario Maker Deluxe and Untitled Mario Golf Game for Wii U. That last one is especially ridiculous. Anyway, I think they should be deleted because they're based on rumours or hoaxes and the creator of all of them is User:Salvidrim!/Macy VG IP vandal, who has created many hoaxes articles and drafts in the past. --The1337gamer (talk) 22:00, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've stumbled across a few, maybe even deleted one or two. I've deleted that last one on the grounds of being a hoax, but the rest of them I'm unsure of what to do, since they are at least rooted in RS reported rumors or tech demos. I don't know if I have grounds to delete drafts of that sort of thing. (Legit question - would appreciate input from on it.) That being said, they're all pretty short and pointless, and are pretty unlikely to ever to result in an article. (I mean, if Mario Switch was announced next week, I wouldn't use their Garbage draft, I'd start my own from scratch...  Sergecross73   msg me  22:40, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't expect them to be mainspaced of course. They're pretty bad and not much of a problem in draftspace. But I think deleting them might dissaude this editor from creating more rubbish drafts and repeatdly adding them to mainspace categories like here:, . I think they could be deleted per WP:G5, since based on their activity they are definitely the Macy VG IP vandal. --The1337gamer (talk) 22:51, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you're right, I just noticed that they were using it to promote their stupid future announcement hoaxes. They're gone. Sergecross73   msg me  22:54, 4 January 2017 (UTC)


 * and are Tripple-dd socks. IP editor has same geolocation info as previous socks. In this edit the IP editor called out Iftekharahmed96 about Sega's name: . Then he reverted it probably because he realised his IPs always get caught. But then he reposted the same discussion under new account Opothe3: . --The1337gamer (talk) 20:18, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * some newly created account is just going around and reverting stuff at random. ~ Dissident93  ( talk ) 00:08, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I have noticed an anonymous IP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/65.30.52.205) making some edits that seem to break up the table format which I will include down below the 2 changes he/she has made thus far. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Wii_U_software&diff=prev&oldid=761675077 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Wii_U_software&diff=next&oldid=761675191 - You're welcome in advance! :) I will continue to be on the lookout for any suspicious activity. Zacharyalejandro (talk) 19:20, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Considering the advanced table syntax involved there, I'd be hard pressed to call this deliberate disruptiveness. I suspect the IP is making a good faith effort. -- ferret (talk) 19:40, 24 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Tripple-ddd: --The1337gamer (talk) 20:01, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * So how did you know this time? Different IP and so on. Is a Standard Offer a lost cause? I'll be willing to wait 6 months... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flaffy4 (talk • contribs) 20:21, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * You have never once stopped socking since you were first blocked 18 months ago. You have completely ignored Standard offer every time it has been brought up by continuing to evade your block. You're not willing to wait 6 months at all. You'll be back next week on a new account or IP address and you'll probably get caught again. Pathetic. --The1337gamer (talk) 20:30, 26 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Tripple-ddd: --The1337gamer (talk) 19:07, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- ferret (talk) 19:18, 27 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Changing the genre on several articles from survival horror to action horror against consensus. Another IP, is likely the same person. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 04:40, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Since they're IP hopping, I decided to protect a few of the articles they hit repeatedly... Sergecross73   msg me  14:47, 14 February 2017 (UTC)