User talk:Snickers2686/Archive 12

Why for the undo
The dates are now off so why undo. It was like that before the end of the year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gunter79 (talk • contribs) 21:26, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Because a consensus was reached that nominees reported out of committee would be blocked together and those pending before committee would be organized by date, then last name. See: Talk:List of federal judges appointed by Donald Trump/Archive 2

@Snickers2686 I read most of what was discussed but didn't find the consensus part. But even then the dates for Blumenfeld and Scarsi as well as Meyers in fed claims have them out of order. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gunter79 (talk • contribs) 22:02, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, Fed. Claims might be out of order, but I don't see the issue with Blumenfeld and Scarsi. Snickers2686 (talk) 22:20, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

@Snickers2686 they are from 2018 while the nominees around them are 2019 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gunter79 (talk • contribs) 22:23, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

IP comment re Patrick J. Schiltz
Section heading added for clarity. Pam D  17:29, 4 February 2020 (UTC) Hi, Snickers2686,

My name is Kate Fogarty and I am the Clerk of Court for the United States District Court, District of MN. We have been working on updating profiles and images for the federal judges in MN. We noticed that you had replaced our updates to Judge Patrick J. Schiltz with the previous version. Judge Schiltz approved our edits before we posted them. My colleague, Cristian Cobos, will be going back in to repost what we had posted per the judge's request. Please let me know if you are seeing issues with our edits. Thank you, Kate — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.241.40.127 (talk) 16:38, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

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Edit removed from page of Thomas Thrash
Sir, You removed my edit from the page of Thomas W. Thrash stating that it was "unsourced negative material." Sir - I respectfully inform you that the material did cite the source as the case number 1:18-CV-5388 in the northern district of Georgia. The court records are public. In the case, Mr. Thrash is listed as the district judge and he is also listed as an accused. Please advise why you consider the material as "unsourced?"

Thanks! Wilkn (talk) 01:52, 10 March 2020 (UTC)wilkn

While - as I pointed above - I respectfully disagree that the material is unsourced, I do agree that it is negative. I see and empathize with your hesitation. I do see that you do assume that the edit was done in good faith. Additionally, wikipedia should not limit free access to well sourced material. Towards that end - I am pasting my edit below - kindly help me rephrase so that your hesitation which is actually our hesitation is also preserved and the important information presented using verifiable source is also added. Thanks in advance!

"Thrash is involved in a legal battle with an Indian citizen. See case 1:19-CV-5388. Thrash chose to administer the case as the presiding judge, despite the fact that he was one of the accused named by the plaintiff, Dixit. Dixit alleges that Thrash is part of a conspiracy that forced him to fight a divorce case that involved two Indian citizens who were not just residing in India but had no bona fide status to be present in the US. Dixit published a book Punished for being a father describing the alleged conspiracy. Thrash dismissed the case stating that Dixit did not comply with the requirement set for in the magistrate judge's order."

Wilkn (talk) 02:05, 10 March 2020 (UTC)wilkn

Edit of birthdate/birthyear of Josephine Staton article
Please note (see below) that Wikipedia policy favors omitting birth dates of U.S. federal judges for personal privacy and security reasons. Unless a compelling case can be made for including such, please respect the edit to simply include birth year. Thanks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clivechat (talk • contribs) 23:18, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Fine, I'm not gonna fight you on this. There are hundreds of federal judges that have their full birthdates listed, but you do as you see fit. Snickers2686 (talk) 04:34, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks -- extending respect for your edits and thoughtfulness. Clivechat (talk) 20:23, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Archive info for citations
Editors are also encouraged to add an archive link as a part of each citation, or at least submit the referenced URL for archiving, at the same time that each citation is created or updated. See, e.g. Help:Archiving a source & Link rot. --Bejnar (talk) 23:09, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

A Question for You
I hope you're doing well. I created an article for a new Florida Supreme Court appointee, and another user made a new article about 45 minutes after me, saw that their article came after, and redirected the one I made to theirs. What's the procedure for this? I haven't heard back from the user yet. – JocularJellyfish TalkContribs 18:04, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey! Good to hear from you. I was looking at Merging to see if offered any direction, but I didn't find any. Instinct to me says that whoever created the article first, that should be the controlling one. Snickers2686 (talk) 21:06, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I went ahead and reverted the merge. The pages in question are John D. Couriel and John Couriel. – JocularJellyfish TalkContribs 21:24, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Adding Magistrate Judges
Even if magistrate judges are not inherently notable enough to have their own Wikipedia articles, I still think it may be permissible to add the names of magistrate judges to articles about the courts on which they serve. Which is what I did.

You directed me to the article Notability (people). This article says:

"That person A has a relationship with well-known person B, such as being a spouse or child, is not a reason for a standalone article on A (unless significant coverage can be found on A); relationships do not confer notability. However, person A may be included in the related article on B. For example, Jason Allen Alexander is included in the article on Britney Spears and the page Jason Allen Alexander merely redirects to that article." (Emphasis added).

So, because these magistrate judges serve on courts that are notable enough to have their own articles, I think that the judges may be mentioned in these articles. Shoebringer (talk) 22:29, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

What notable magistrate judges are you referring to? Snickers2686 (talk) 23:22, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you planning to make articles for all these magistrate judges? Otherwise it would go against WP:RED. Snickers2686 (talk) 23:27, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I wasn't referring to any notable magistrate judges in particular. I said that the courts, on which these judges serve, are notable (and all federal courts have a Wikipedia page.) I'm not planning to start articles on any magistrate judges. I don't think this would go against WP:RED, because I'm not going to place links on the names of any of these judges.


 * This is why I am placing the names of the magistrate judges on the pages for the courts: The name of a magistrate judge, is relevant information about the court, even if the magistrate is not notable. Shoebringer (talk) 02:22, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Edits to Kevin Blackstone entry
Hi Snickers2686 - Can you advise why you removed my edits to this page? I corrected the job title, changed the language on title make it clearer, added the correct name of the country, etc. All verifiable and accurate.

Editor369

Editor369 (talk) 15:26, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Where was your information verified from a reliable source? I didn't see any citations to back up those claims, that's why it was reverted. You did add some prior to the White House citation, but those claims were not in the White House citation, so again, that's why I reverted. If you can add sources to your claims, then feel free to add them again. Snickers2686 (talk) 16:01, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I admit I'm not familiar with the way to source content here, but figured the title is easy as it's mentioned earlier and is a matter of public record. https://www.state.gov/biographies/kevin-blackstone/ What's the requirement to modify language that is confusing? For example, it's not accurate to say that the title of Minister-Counselor was held since '91; rather, that's the current title and the subject is a career officer for that period. Also unsure what source would be acceptable to add the few details on personal life. This is me, by the way - Kevin Blackstone. Editor369 (talk) 16:25, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

I see what you're saying now. You're right, as a career member of the foreign service, that's the main title. It's preferable that any addition of biographical information be sourced, so its addition isn't challenged in the future and privacy concerns can be alleviated via WP:BLPNAME. However, if you're the subject of the article, then the rules are a little more lax, per WP:BLPEDIT. At a minimum, you can put a references tag which includes to source your information. So it would look like this "reference tag" to add a citation, if applicable. Snickers2686 (talk) 17:12, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Wilkins
I removed the link because the material was covered by the cite immediately following, and the White House website link didn't connect with the article, and the internal search engine didn't bring it up either. Is there some other way to fix the problem? Activist (talk) 22:12, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and added the archived link as well. So the original link won't work, but the archived one does. Snickers2686 (talk) 22:23, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Activist (talk) 11:15, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

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Draft:David Leibowitz
Just wanted to give you a heads-up that the White House plans on nominating David Leibowitz to Judge Moreno's seat on the Southern District of Florida. I have a draft prepped already with key details. I'll be online less frequently in the next few weeks, so if he is nominated in the near future, you can just make the relevant edits to the draft and move it to the mainspace. – JocularJellyfish TalkContribs 01:01, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Thanks for the heads up! Snickers2686 (talk) 01:51, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yup! One other thing -- if you're looking for something to clean up on here, the 4th, 5th, and 7th Circuits' lists of former judges aren't using template:start U.S. judgeship, and are instead using some archaic table formatting. They seem to be in need of transitioning to the template (which would be some grunt work I don't have the time for at the moment). If you're interested, I encourage you to have the pages transition to using the template. It's not essential, but it would help with consistency across all federal court pages. – JocularJellyfish TalkContribs 03:21, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Morgan Christen
Hi Snickers2686,

Your edit to Morgan Christen, reverting my incorrectly edit-summaried edit, capitalizes a several common nouns without stating why. I've been referring to MOS:JOBTITLES and MOS:CAPS as a reference. Could you explain your reasoning when you have a moment? Dleit Ḵaa (talk) 08:52, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Cory Wilson
What are your thoughts on whether the article should be Cory T. Wilson or Cory Wilson? I think it should be Cory T. Wilson since many news articles refer to him with the initial, and his state court of appeals bio does as well. – JocularJellyfish TalkContribs 20:42, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Haha. Oh to me this is opening up a can of worms, not in a bad way though. I've been refraining from confronting other editors on their sometimes bold edits cause I've found I have a very short fuse lately lol But to your question, to me, it should be Cory T. Wilson. That's how his State Court of Appeals biography lists him, his legal name is Cory Todd Wilson according to his Senate Questionnaire and he doesn't note that that he goes by any nicknames or other names and even when the White House announced his nomination they listed him as Cory T. Wilson (that's where I usually take my cue on naming a judicial nominee article). Per WP:OFFICIAL "Official English names are candidates for what to call an article, because somebody presumably uses them. They should always be considered as possibilities, but should be used only if they are actually the name most commonly used." I mean it can go either way. Personally, I'd prefer Cory T. Wilson to confer prestige as a judge. Snickers2686 (talk) 21:07, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I hear you! The past few months have been difficult, to put it mildly. I'm going to reverse the move without going through the request for move procedure, as this seems like an unnecessary change to me. Back in late 2017/early 2018, I did something similar to this user for about twenty pages, and I got reversed by other users. I'm going to follow the same procedure here as this seems like an unnecessary name shortening. – JocularJellyfish TalkContribs 22:11, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Rebecca Goodgame Ebinger edits
Hi Snickers: I don't mean to get into an edit war, but I would appreciate knowing why you have reverted edits on this article twice. Iowalaw2 (talk) 16:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * What justifies a complete rewrite of the article that removes valid sources? Snickers2686 (talk) 17:02, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It wasn't a complete rewrite, I just added more info without removing any substance. I added official sources from the congressional hearings that made a couple of the less informative references (like a local news article) redundant, so I removed them. Iowalaw2 (talk) 17:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * But citing the same source 12 times, isnt' that a little redundant? Snickers2686 (talk) 17:15, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's a reason to use lower-quality sources to avoid repeating the highest-quality ones. In any case, your complaint is a reason to add the source you wanted to keep back, not to eliminate a great deal of new information that you apparently have no objections to without explanation. Feel free to add the sources if you wish, I don't think they're necessary but I'm indifferent. Iowalaw2 (talk) 17:23, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "lower quality"? If the source has valid and credible information, why should it be removed to begin with? Snickers2686 (talk) 17:26, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I mean one is a short article from one of the more obscure AM radio stations in Iowa and the other is incredibly detailed congressional testimony. Like I said, you can add it back if you want to. Iowalaw2 (talk) 17:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for your additions and edits on Jill Karofsky's page, helping it to be more standardized; as well as your many contributions to the coverage of jurists on Wikipedia! JustinMal1 (talk) 15:42, 6 July 2020 (UTC)