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Just corrected
I saw your post on 2012 United Nations Climate Change Conference, and I just wanted to let you know I changed "ENDAVOURS" to "ENDEAVOURS" because I didn't find any searches for endavours. Also, I added an exclamation point at the end. Thank you for that wonderful contribution, cause I was going to turn every "climate" Into "cat". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Larrydan (talk • contribs) 21:16, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

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Epic Western
Hello! The AfD discussion that you started for Epic Western was not fully transcluded, so I have done this for you. (It shows the proper heading and is listed with the other current AfDs.) In the future, you can follow the steps at WP:AFD to make sure that you can list it fully. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 13:20, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I will check this article out in the future. --Spannerjam (talk) 13:35, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Remake
Thanks for cleaning up the remake article. Good work! --Jtalledo (talk) 15:43, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you! It is good to know that you are doing things the right way. --Spannerjam (talk) 16:39, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about Nonsense math effect
Hello, Spannerjam,

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Thanks, Stifle (talk) 22:07, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

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Climax (figure of speech)
Absolutely. Good removal. Articles do tend to accrete somewhat pedantic additions which disturb their balance and focus. Passers-by will think "Oh, what can I put in there?" without concern for the whole. I haven't researched the history, but that sentence looked like such an addition. Bishonen &#124; talk 11:11, 18 April 2013 (UTC).

Google books is not the only valid source
Just a friendly heads up. I've noticed that you were using exclusively Google Books sources in editing sequel, even going so far as to delete entire sections under the rationale that there was no Google Books citation available.

Citations on Wikipedia do need to be from reliable sources, but they do not necessarily need to be found in books, and definitely are not restricted to the subset of books that can be found via Google Books.

I appreciate your editing, though, and your desire to make Wikipedia a better place. Keep it up! — trlkly 22:23, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Commoratio
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 * I know its too late now, but I guess better late than never. Copying one example can hardly be considered plagiarism. After all the Rhetorics site did not have the copyright to the Monty Python sketch. --Spannerjam 

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 * Hi! I reverted your reversion and gave an explanation in the edit summary. If you still disagree with me, I think we should continue our discussion within the edit summaries, and if that communication does not work, I think we should continue discussing at the articles talk page. Best regards, --Spannerjam 

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Syncatabasis proposed deletion
Your deletion template was removed, so don't add it back. Take it to AfD if you must. Or better yet, find a valid merge target for the stub where the term can be treated in context. It the term is in CathEnc, Wikipedia has reason to cover it, but this does not necessarily need to happen on a standalone page, it just means that the link Syncatabasis should point somewhere where the term is explained.

also, it takes about five seconds to google the term as used in rhetorics so I don't know what you mean you couldn't find it. --dab (𒁳) 13:26, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello! First I added speedy deletion template, and then voting for deletion. But with the same motivation. Frankly I don't understand why the proposal for vote for deletion was removed. --Spannerjam 13:33, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

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Catachresis
Hello. I have reverted some of your changes to Catachresis, removing the table you created. If the categorization you made is, as you wrote, 'not official,' meaning that it is not from a published, verifiable and reliable source, please do not include this information as it constitutes original research. If you can find a typology of catachreses in a reliable third-party source, please feel free to include it in the article. Also, a small suggestion on citations: you have included links to all the definitions on Google Books. This is excellent and very helpful. However, since the Google Books index consists of scanned copies of published books, it would be useful to fully cite the source with author/editor, year of publication, publisher, page number and ISBN number. The article WP:REF/ES might help you further with Wikipedia citation guidelines. Thank you for your contributions. K37b8e4fd (talk) 01:56, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The only tool I am aware of for mass converting bare URL:s is Webreflinks, and that seems to be adjusted for web references only. However, I now use reftag for conversion of Google Books links into a beautiful Wikipedia citation, but it only works for one link at a time (as far as I know). --Spannerjam 07:58, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

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Lyrics in Circumlocution
Hello! I noticed you added the complete lyrics to "That's what she said by Tejbz and Gwitha" to the article circumlocution a few weeks back. Surely the song illustrates the concepts of ambiguity and innuendo, but I'm not sure this justifies their inclusion in full or at all. The song does not appear to be particularly well-known or culturally significant nor academically relevant to the concepts, no citation was provided, and there is no indication that they are in the public domain per WP:Song. Although I admire the ferocious boldness of your edit, please do not add them back. If you take issue with this, you now have a venue for appeal over at the talk page there. Also, have a nice day! Memtgs (talk | contribs) @ 15:45, 16-06-2013 UTC 15:45, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Re-introduction of sexually explicit lyrics at circumlocution
Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles as you apparently did to circumlocution. Please cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Memtgs (talk • contribs) 00:34, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

A tip
I've reverted a change you made to Chekhov's gun, replacing "i.e." with "for example" as this changed the meaning. Though the abbreviations are for Latin terms, I find it helpful to think of "e.g." as meaning "example given" - a beverage (e.g., tea or orange juice); and "i.e." as meaning "in other words" - the most widely consumed beverage (i.e., water). HTH. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 23:55, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

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Merger proposal
Hi Spannerjam. When you propose the merging of two pages, you need to post tags on both pages, and point them to a talk page section arguing for the merge. In the case of conjunction fallacy and base rate fallacy, I think you have misunderstood: although there's an overlap, they are different concepts with their own literatures. Cheers, MartinPoulter (talk) 10:35, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

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Working on inaccessible material
Hi again Spannerjam. I don't know if you agree, but I think the collaboration between us is working well. You have picked a really fascinating group of articles to work on, though they have been written in an unintelligible way, and on the whole I welcome your bold changes to make them more readable.

As I hope you've seen from my edits, it is often possible to take a paragraph that is impenetrable and reword it so that non-experts can understand it. So I don't think it's always necessary to delete sections just because they are hard to understand. I think a compromise would be that when you make an edit that removes a lot of content, such as this or this, you could copy and paste the deleted text to the Talk page of the relevant article. (I'll do this for the two articles I've just linked). That way, the work that has gone into finding those relevant sources is not lost, and editors like me are prompted to find ways to improve the text, but readers are saved from excessively technical text.

Rewriting a whole article is often a lot of work, but when there is a crucial paragraph, or just a few sentences that need to be made understandable, I don't mind being nudged for advice. Again, the Talk page of the relevant article is usually the best place to do this, but I don't mind being asked on my Talk. Best wishes, MartinPoulter (talk) 13:23, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello! Thank you for politeness and cooperativeness. I will do as you wish – put lots of text I remove into the talk page. Also I would like to take this opportunity to point out that I endorse your suggestion from our earlier discussion. Namely to first having relatively basic and simply understandable material in the articles. And thereafter having it followed by more advanced and specialized material. But admittedly, some content I work with is outside my competence range (That is partially why I am here: to learn). --Spannerjam 14:48, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

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 * Hi! I edited in Visual editor. I don't how to use Reftag in combination with Visual Editor without yielding the result within Nowiki-tags. My Visual Edits were not shown in the log because they were made in my Sandbox. Since Visual Editor is still buggy, I transformed the source text from my sandbox to the newly created page --Spannerjam 17:50, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah! I'm thinking that if you put source code in Visual Editor, it assumes that that's how you want it displayed, so it adds &lt;nowiki> tags to make that happen. Or maybe not, just a guess. —Largo Plazo (talk) 18:15, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Anyhow, I have to relearn the Visual Editor the way I did with Wiki source code. And I guess that means I will produce noob output such as unsatisfactory formatted references for a while.--Spannerjam 18:26, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I just fixed that  mess from literary technique, and was about to leave a message, but apparently you already received. Your work is greatly appreciated, though. --bender235 (talk) 22:15, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The Nowiki tags are a result of me working in visual editor. --Spannerjam 08:48, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

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School segregation in the U.S. edits
Hello! I've been working on the article School segregation in the United States, and I see that you added a banner noting some problems with the formatting of my inline citations. I've adjusted some of the citations, but I'm not sure whether I fixed the problem you were pointing out. I was trying to use inline citations wherever possible to avoid issues with close paraphrasing or plagiarism. Would it be OK if I removed the banner now? Thanks! Sallyhc42 (talk) 20:34, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I actually had another Wikipedian suggest that I undo the edits I made to my citations, so now I'm back to square one! Sorry, I'm new to this! Sallyhc42 (talk) 03:39, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * First of all let me tell you that your citations look very well for a newcomer. Much better than mine did when I was "pretty new". What could be improved is that you could hide the bare URL:s who in my opinion make the references look naked. This can be achieved by using this template World of Warcraft which would yield World of Warcraft. You could also add an URL parameter to the Cite Web and  Cite Journal references. If it was not for personal reasons I would beautify the references myself. I hope this information helped though. If there is anything confusing you, do not hesitate to ask me! --Spannerjam 08:38, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I fixed the references myself now. --Spannerjam 09:37, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

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Olivia Grant (actress born 1983)
Do you mind to be a bit more precise in the removal of the maintenance tags? The peacock term were indeed solved, the rest not. So I have restored those maintenance tags again. The Banner talk 21:27, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Well I guess the I think the page looks well enough. --Spannerjam 21:34, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

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I moved what you had deleted to see also. Bearian (talk) 18:39, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Abilene paradox
Dear Spannerjam, I have requested that a key external link be whitelisted. I posted the request on Jan. 11 and, as of date, nobody has commented on the request. Could you please assist in moving the request forward by offering your viewpoint? Thank you. IjonTichy (talk) 16:02, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for providing your perspectives to help move the request forward. IjonTichy (talk) 21:47, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

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Stubs
Hallo, I don't agree that Fad is a stub, but more importantly the Stub template doesn't take parameters, even if Visual Editor encourages you to add them! There are specific stub templates like sociology-stub, but not parameters for stub. I think the addition of templates in VE is quite confusing, as it persists in offering invalid options to mislead the editor. Pam D  16:20, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Visual editor still confuses me, so I guess the only thing I can do is to keep trying. Best Regards--Spannerjam 12:15, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

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My apologies, but I do not wish to reveal my IP address to strangers by sending out e-mails. However, I would greatly appreciate help with inserting my long list of references with statistics about the situation in Sweden and elsewhere into different Wikipedia pages, if you are interested. I am very busy running one of the world's largest entertainment wikis, so I have regrettably not had the time. David A (talk) 13:47, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I am not promising anything, but you can send me the link. --Spannerjam (talk) 17:41, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Okay. Thank you. Here are places where I posted my older links. I have not organised all of the new ones yet:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Islamic_terrorism#Various_important_statistics_and_articles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jihadism#Various_important_statistics_and_articles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Islamism#Various_important_statistics_and_articles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:European_migrant_crisis#A_few_new_relevant_articles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:European_migrant_crisis#A_new_study_about_German_media

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Immigration_and_crime

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Immigration_to_Sweden#An_updated_list_regarding_the_situation_in_Sweden

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Crime_in_Sweden#An_updated_list_regarding_the_situation_in_Sweden

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:No-go_area

David A (talk) 19:42, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Här är en del till länkar med beskrivningar som jag inte hunnit översätta till Engelska ännu:

Över hälften av amerikanska college studenter tycker att det är okej att tysta meningsmotståndare och en femtedel att det är okej att använda våld i detta syfte:

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2017/09/18/views-among-college-students-regarding-the-first-amendment-results-from-a-new-survey/

90% av invandrarna till Österrike lever på socialbidrag:

http://www.krone.at/oesterreich/sobotka-90-prozent-der-migranten-in-mindestsicherung-system-randvoll-story-588702

Endast 8% av alla anmälna våldtäkter i Sverige 2017 har klarats upp av polisen:

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/fa-valdtakter-uppklarade-hittills-2017

I Sverige tillfaller totalt 86% av lönen staten via olika skatter:

https://www.svd.se/skatten-att-ga-fran-bidrag-till-jobb-86-procent

Det finns åtminstone 40.3 miljoner slavar i världen:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/09/19/there-are-an-estimated-40-million-slaves-in-the-world-where-do-they-live-and-what-do-they-do/

Dubbelt så många har dödats i skottlossningar i Sverige 2017 jämfört med 2016:

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=103&artikel=6780572

Det är så mycket gängskjutningar att polisen inte längre kan utreda våldtäkter på småbarn:

http://www.expressen.se/gt/polischefen-jag-har-lagt-25-valdtaktsanmalningar-pa-hog/

https://www.svd.se/en-valdtakt-av-var-rattskansla

Över två tredjedelar av alla Islamiska terrorister i Europa har radikaliserats av fundamentalistiska hat-predikant imamer:

http://www.gp.se/nyheter/v%C3%A4rlden/religi%C3%B6sa-hatpredikanter-styr-islamistisk-terror-i-europa-1.4632813

Det anmäldes tre gånger så många fall av terrorfinansiering i Sverige 2017 jämfört med 2016:

https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=6777026

Det har skett drygt en gängskjutning om dagen 2017:

https://www.svd.se/efter-blodig-sommar--sa-kraftsamlar-polisen-mot-gangen

Silicon Valley håller systematiskt på att rensa ut alla med konservativa högeråsikter:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/20857/fired-googler-damore-underground-conservative-robert-kraychik#

Det sker 4 till 5 gånger så många skottlossningar med dödlig utgång i Sverige som i Tyskland och Norge i förhållande till folkmängden:

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=96&artikel=6770039

Putin satsar stort på artificiell intelligens för framtida krigsföring som skall dominera världen:

https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/4/16251226/russia-ai-putin-rule-the-world

Om hur postmodernismen har förstört de västerländska universiteten:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-unfortunate-fallout-of-campus-postmodernism/

92% av Danmarks befolkning vill totalstoppa all invandring av Muslimer:

http://ekstrabladet.dk/nationen/det-bliver-nok-vaerre-europaeere-vil-stoppe-muslimsk-indvandring/6786499

Svenska pensionärer är de klart fattigaste i Norden:

http://www.mynewsdesk.com/se/spf-seniorerna/pressreleases/nya-eurostat-siffror-svenska-pensioner-klart-saemre-aen-nordiska-grannlaenderna-2129094

Regimen i Palestina använder hälften av allt bistånd för att finansiera terrorism:

http://nypost.com/2017/07/28/palestinian-authority-now-uses-half-of-all-foreign-aid-to-reward-terror/

Migrationen kan fördubbla Svenska statens utgifter för pensionerna:

https://www.di.se/nyheter/migrationen-kan-fordubbla-statens-kostnader-for-pensionarer/

Det anmäls 19 våldtäkter per dag i Sverige, och endast 10% blir anmälda enligt BRÅ:

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/uppsala/kraftig-okning-av-anmalda-valdtakter

https://www.bra.se/brott-och-statistik/statistik-utifran-brottstyper/valdtakt-och-sexualbrott.html

7 av 10 Tyskar tycker att landet skött integrationen dåligt:

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/utrikes/sju-av-tio-tyskar-tycker-att-det-har-gjorts-for-lite-for-att-integrera-nyanlanda-flyktingar

Andelen skjutningar i Stockholm har ökat med 43% på 3 år:

https://polisen.se/Aktuellt/Nyheter/Stockholm/juli-sept/Polisens-arbete-mot-skjutningar-i-region-Stockholm/

Migrationsverkets personal har anmält 2875 incidenter av hot och våld från Januari till September 2017:

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/samhalle/a/rooOR/han-hotade-pa-skoj-att-slanga-mig-framfor-taget

SÄPO får i snitt in 200 anmälningar om planerad terrorism varje dag:

https://www.svd.se/terrorplaner-och-hot--sapo-offentliggor-inkomna-tips

Den Tyska polisen har åtminstone 900 fall av terrorism under utredning hittills i år:

http://www.dw.com/en/germany-terrorism-prosecution-cases-soar-report/a-41065442

Förre Socialdemokratiske finansministern Kjell-Olof Feldt tror att en halv miljon arbetslösa invandrare i Sverige är en tickande bomb:

https://www.svd.se/s-legendaren-borgerlig-majoritet-efter-valet

Den kriminella situationen i Sverige är så allvarlig att Moderaterna vill sätta in militären i förorten för att hjälpa polisen:

https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-lagar/dokument/motion/utokat-samarbete-mellan-polis-och-militar_H5022556

David A (talk) 20:11, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Wow I wish I had such a link collection when I had debates in school. Spannerjam (talk) 21:03, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Are you willing to help out? I would really appreciate it. David A (talk) 03:39, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I have now assembled all of the links into a complete list, in English: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:David_A/Important_Fact_Links David A (talk) 06:17, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

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