User talk:Storye book/Archive 33

June songs
I like today's Main page, and here's why ;) - (DYK that we got filmed when performing the piece mentioned in the lead hook?) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Excellent! I love the video - I tried to guess which one is you, but I cannot. Those modern churches have good acoustics, don't they? Storye book (talk) 17:11, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * This one has excellent acoustics, perhaps because it's built following the old basilica principle. We sold all seats the same price, as you hear the same any seat. I explained where I stand to Martinevans123, don't want to repeat it all over the project. Last row, where the conductor (of the Te Deum) wants me, next to his wife, always mercifully small, in many scenes "on top" of the conductor ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:58, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Today - see below - we enjoy your nom for a singer-actress --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, congratulations on another DYK. You must have millions. I think I have spotted you in the choir - if so, you are much younger than I expected. You always sound so authoritative, that I expected you to be much older. That is not a criticism from me - quite the opposite. I spent my early adulthood in a very misogynistic environment - a rural farming community, where men would speak across you, and if you mentioned feminism, you feared for your life (literally). So I cultivated a lower and firmer tone of voice, and a formal manner of speech. It worked. To sound old was safer, and brought respect. But what you have on WP is real authority in your subject - you don't have to assume a voice. I can see that now. Storye book (talk) 09:01, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Our conductor said recently that he doesn't understand the current tendency to create senior citizens' choirs because for him all voices are created equal, and as long as a voice is on pitch, you can't even tell how old in years a person is. A person can speak with authority no matter what age in years. I wear something black up to the chin, and Maria, my friend on my left, a mother of five with Lieselotte her youngest, wears something lacy - in case you confused me with her ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:29, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * ps: not millions of DYK, but 1907, and yes, leading the list, and then come the youngsters and tell me what to do ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:35, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Last weekend was nice, class reunion a funny number of years after completing school, and the lovely park where I spent many Sundays as a child. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can see you for sure, now. yes, I agree that anyone of any age can speak with authority, the problem is that in some societies, only some are heard. In my country, in my generation, during the 70s it was difficult to be heard. One had to make a huge effort, and it was risky. Today, the older generation of women here can find themselves invisible, unless - again - they make a big effort to be taken seriously. I guess it depends on the society in which one lives. That music is lovely, by the way, and the soloist is good. Thank you for the link to that. Storye book (talk) 17:29, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! - 11 June or: Music not only by Bach, and same soloist again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:28, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Aile Asszonyi
BorgQueen (talk) 00:03, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:36, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Soňa Červená is now a GA! Can you perhaps nominate for DYK? I'm not afraid but busy until 19 June. You can use Charles III for a qpq. If you are also busy I'll find something but your talent in making 4k+ look at an opera singer is appreciated. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:14, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Congratualtions on the GA! OK, I'll have a look at it. Storye book (talk) 08:30, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. I have offered a hook (which I like) but you are very welcome to add more hooks). Storye book (talk) 09:00, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I liked that hook, but not the reviewer, - what's new? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Jörg Widmann is 50, and I began Stockholm pics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:28, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, a clarinettist. In the early 60s, I visited a friend whose sister had a clarinet. For some reason I was permitted to pick it up and have a go. At that time I could play no instrument, could not read music, and had no concept of overblowing. But I managed to play the first bit of Stranger on the Shore, which was popular at the time. I still remember the vibration of it, which makes the instrument come alive. Never to be forgotten, although I have not touched a clarinet since. A wonderful instrument. Storye book (talk) 16:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Wow! - I heard him as described in the hook for Walter Fink. So great that he actually came to play a new piece for the birthday, and in public. The festival will begin on Saturday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:53, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * That must have been a wonderful experience! Storye book (talk) 17:00, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was, and Hosokawa and Kirchner were also there in person. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Now, how are you going to beat that? Storye book (talk) 08:11, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Going to Köthen in two days, to visit the place that was my New Year's greeting in 2019. I wanted to write AbelWV on the occasion. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:30, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Excellent - enjoy! Storye book (talk) 09:13, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Today's story is about a singer whom I saw twice, not Wagner and Strauss, but Bach and Weill - imagine I had proposed that 2013 hook now, - we'd just get that your eardrums glowed when she sang. Link to listening on my talk, or the Stäbler-NDR-ref. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:24, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that. I could not find your sound link, but I listened to her on YouTube - a powerful voice, indeed. I agree about the hook. Maybe one day there will be a majority of open-minded people reviewing hooks. I have added a non-free image to the article. I have guessed that the picture was taken around the year 2000. If you know when it was taken, please let me know, and I'll correct the information on the image file. Storye book (talk) 09:15, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm happy about the pic, - no better idea about the date, it comes with her agent. - In the sound file of the NDR ref, she is heard in rather long talk, and short singing excerpts. - Today, the story is ten years old, the Main page had three great people who recently died, and I invite you to look at two videos around concerts I heard, in the short one (Abel) actually seen in the background (during the closing statement, talking to the recipients of the prize). I learned that the Spiegelsaal looked very different when Bach played there ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:53, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the links. I have added a non-free image to Doris Stockhausen's article. I am always happy to check whether a non-free image is available, when a biography subject has recently died. It is sad, though, that there are usually very few pictures of high-achieving women of previous generations, unless they are glamorous opera divas, actresses etc. (whose pictures were dispersed by their agents). Luckily the situation is changing for the current younger generations of women in the non-glamorous professions, and the Press now takes their portraits. Storye book (talk) 09:15, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Apropos of nothing, I uploaded these this morning: Category:Roses in North Yorkshire in 2023. It's been a good summer for roses! Storye book (talk) 13:23, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Absolutely fabulous!! I took one of a rose that I may upload, - you'll probably know its fancy name. Eltville is the Stadt der Rosen - come some day! - Yesterday I was fascinated by violinist Diana Tishchenko performing, whose article I had written before actually watching her - only in video. Take any chance you can get! It's all about communication, expressed in the short video I added to her article, together with a pic of yesterday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:53, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll have a look. And I'm looking forward to your rose picture. Storye book (talk) 13:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I watched the vid, yes, she's good. Storye book (talk) 14:06, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Edits to the Grove Road Cemetery, Harrogate article
Hi Storye book! I noticed you reverted this edit I made on the "Grove Road Cemetery, Harrogate" article with an edit summary stating, in part, "In this instance, 'privately-owned' is an adjective, and in British English, phrases used as a adjectives are hyphenated". This edit was suggested by AutoWikiBroswer, and it was my understanding that when an adverb ends in -ly (such as "privately"), a hyphen is not used, so I made the edit. I looked into it more, and the Cambridge Business English Dictionary (a British publication) does not hyphenate the term "privately owned", however, in contrast, it appears Longman Business Dictionary does hyphenate "privately-owned". I’m not an expert in the field of complex grammar by any means, and I’m certainly not an expert in British grammar, so I will defer to your judgment on this and haven't and won't change it if you confirm no hyphen should be used. Also, if indeed in this case one should not hyphenate, I just wanted to clarify, for my own knowledge and to improve my editing, when one should hyphenate when the "-ly" adverb is used, and when one should not. Thanks for looking out and for any help or clarification you can provide! Wikipedialuva (talk) 10:58, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Business dictionaries in the English language tend to be printed for international use, and do not fully reflect formal English in all its richness. Joining words together with hyphens for adjectival use is not only elegant; it also clarifies the function of the words in the sentence. For example, "corpse-eating ghoul" clarifies that the ghoul is eating the corpse, and that the corpse is not eating the ghoul. Because English has developed from several languages (Latin, French, German, Norse etc.), it has had to lose the word-endings which once clarified meaning. So modern English uses syntax (word order) and context for clarification of meaning. But syntax (as in the above example of the ghoul) sometimes needs some help, and in this case, the hyphen is helping.


 * In my opinion, the only way one can fully appreciate and understand the most elegant forms of Standard English is to read as many old books as possible. I recommend Henry James' novels, and also the old books in the Penguin Classics series, which have been translated, because they used the best linguists for that job. Also, old books in their original form, such as Pilgrim's Progress and Paradise Lost give you a feel for the language. Most people today are too scared or too lazy to read any of those books, but the classics are not so scary as people think. Some of them are hilarious, e.g. Gibbon's Decline and Fall. Happy editing! Storye book (talk) 11:34, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red July 2023
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DYK for Soňa Červená
RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 29 June 2023 (UTC) Today: a woman caught by the iron curtain (improved with SusunW and Gruban), nominated by you! - Yesterday: the Mass in B minor, heard in concert then, three musical videos are out, and more vacation pics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:11, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks good on the main page. Thank you for letting me nominate it. Storye book (talk) 17:38, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * You found images for singers, - how about Rachel Yakar? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:25, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Storye book (talk) 14:12, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

July music
Thank you so much! - My story today pictures a friend whose birthday is today ;) - we listened to music she helped publishing - at a fancy place (which looked different when Bach played there). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:05, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Finally: June pictures updated, with three great RMF concerts! - She played for us at her party (Saturday), on four instruments including baryton, with family (granddaughters!) and colleagues, from Renaissance to Haydn. - My story today is very personal: the DYK appeared on Wikipedia's 15th birthday, and describes a concert I sang. I was requested to translate the bio into German for a memorial concert ... - see background, and we talked about life and death. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:54, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

ps: forgot to say that one rose is in the pics - no idea of name or type, not even colour - and one more to come in July.


 * Thank you for those links. What you and others have said about editors leaving is very moving. The proportion of regularly-contributing editors to the general membership of WP is very small, so we need all the active ones to stay, if they can. Since I have been here, just a few people have been always there to help if needed (including yourself), and I would miss them if they left. I hope they all stay Storye book (talk) 16:07, 12 July 2023 (UTC).
 * The list of those missed is too long. It was started by Ched who helped me survive early Wiki-life ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:44, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Wow. I had no idea that it existed. Great idea. Storye book (talk) 17:50, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * That's just those missed by our little project. There's also a huge formal list also. However: when I make my daily round of those Precious that day, and looking for activity, many don't leave with big ado and a formal retired-template, but are gone after some innocent-looking edit. Now Scottywong with much ado. I always wait a bit, - a few have reconsidered. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:14, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hard to believe that was over 10 years ago. — Ched (talk) 20:15, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for coming over, Ched. This is Storye book, and the user name almost tells you. My rescue when I despair in DYK matters, + a wonderful photographer of roses, - look around. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:20, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your kind words! We are lucky really, in that our regular nemesis on DYK is in truth an honest person who has good intentions, the only issue being that their opinion is diametrically opposite to ours. So at least we can maintain a mutual respect, and the situation is usually resolvable.
 * It only gets bad when we see corruption. Once I had to review a British far right political article, where it seemed that a racist party had paid a man (who would normally be their racial victim) to stand as an MP on their behalf. They had presumably paid him a lot of money. When I tried to verify the man's identity, his name and date of birth were apparently false. Some if the article's citations were on Breitbart, a platform with illegal racist content which gave me nightmares and contained mouseover viruses. Thank goodness, the nomination failed.
 * So, compared with that, our efforts with opera are the stuff of innocence and sweetness. Storye book (talk) 22:04, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

As you probably saw, an IP removed the image you uploaded for Doris Stockhausen, claiming it shows Suzanne Stephens. There are similarities in the two faces. Please clarify. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:15, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for alerting me to that. I have updated the file with the correct image, and replaced the image in the article. Unfortunately, the system is taking a while to refresh itself and show the correct image, Please be patient until it does so. I have messaged an admin, asking them to delete the original picture of Suzanne Stephens, so that the correct image will show on the article. Storye book (talk) 17:31, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * It shows for me, - thank you! Would you find a better one for Violeta Hemsy de Gainza, perhaps? Nothing wrong with being old, but over-exposed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok. I'll have a look tomorrow. Storye book (talk) 20:52, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * fireworks on the Rhine for you, pictured on 1 July, but the real stars were sun and moon. I love today's story - just the pic ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I have replaced the Violeta Hemsy de Gainza image. Storye book (talk) 09:36, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, - I like it much better, and used it a few times. The title is missing a letter "i" in her name, - can you move it? (I can't move on the commons, and if you can, I'd know many of "mine" that miss a letter). ... and forgot to sign
 * Today, I remember Reger's Requiem, and our choirs' jubilee 2 weeks ago. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:58, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the links. The Gainza typo issue is resolved now. Storye book (talk) 11:09, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! - On today's Main page, you can find a cantata that Bach first performed 300 years ago, and an iconic saxophonist from East Germany. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the link to the Bach article. I love the church picture - so grand. I wonder what the acoustics were like? I imagine Bach would choose to work in a good one? Storye book (talk) 08:47, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Acoustics are good. My choir checked it in 2008, hearing the Thomanerchor on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:20, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Good to hear that! New you have shared an experience with Bach! Storye book (talk) 16:23, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Didn't think of it like that, but I did think of Max Reger using the same stone steps up to the organ balcony in Wiesbaden when we performed his Requiem, - he used them many years before that composition though, first performed on his first anniversary of death. I had a friend in the audience who was dying, - the last time he left home, and it was played for his funeral. It made the piece even more special to me. - I uploaded a few more pics, even roses. I am behind, - I just had a series of three Recent death articles nominated their last possible day. The next two have a few days left until the last - relief. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Lovely rose pictures, thank you for that! My Gloire de Dijon roses are finally blooming - they are always late. here - scroll about halfway down. Enjoy. Storye book (talk) 15:25, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, lovely! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:42, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * While today's DYK highlights Santiago on his day, I did my modest share with my story today, describing what I just experienced, pictured. I began the article of the woman in green. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:20, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Nice one. Thanks for the link. Storye book (talk) 16:26, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Today Jahrhundertring, and I just listened to Götterdämmerung from the Bayreuth Festival (pictured), - the image (of a woman who can't believe what she has to see) features also on the article talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * ps: ... and "our" Elektra close to madness was Gutrune, and Andreas Schager was Siegfried in Siegfried on Saturday, Parsifal yesterday and Siegfried today - Marathon. (I once saw him stepping in as Siegmund, followed by the two Siegfrieds the following days.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:43, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I love Götterdämmerung, though I cannot help laughing in the places where the Nibelungenlied made it funny - that's a lot of places, I don't think Wagner understood the satire in that book. But at the same time I love it because of Solti. I am still influenced by the 1964 TV documentary in which Georg Solti was recording the whole cycle - a very strict choral conductor who made the girls cry, but a great man who had to have the entire cycle in his head to do that job, and could not sleep because of it. He had to hold on to the entire set, because he believed in having only one climax in a performance instead of lots of little ones, and you need to grasp the cycle as a whole in order to do that. The documentary is here - well worth a look.
 * Meanwhile, the BBC is televising the Proms every weekend, at the moment. On Sunday it was Bomsori, playing Bruch's first violin concerto. I don't usually listen to most virtuoso-type musicians, because it's so often a case of don't-mind-the-quality-feel-the-speed, but she is not like that at all. She reminds me of Menuhin. Wonderful. There is a recording of her playing the same piece 3 years ago, on YouTube. Storye book (talk) 08:35, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Solti was also my first impression of the Ring. May he forgive us (family project) to have used excerpts from it as the background music for US National Parks by camper, mostly the instrumental bits, but also including sentences such as "Hier ist es frisch und kühl" and "Deiner Augen leuchtendes Paar" when they fit. He was one of the people who made Oper Frankfurt to what it now is. I'll look at the videos, but not right now. - Julia Fischer next, then Sol Gabetta. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:59, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I have just watched the documentary again, for the first time since 1965, when they broadcast it. I had forgotten that it was supposed to be about technicians making a recording. What I had remembered all my life was the steerhorn scene, with Hagen's haunting monotone, and the interviews with Solti. Those horns - you can hear the Iron Age - like a time machine. And the tight focus on the sheer intense insanity of the climaxes. And Beethoven's glorious bonkerage central in all of it. Did Bayreuth ever get their original steerhorns back? Storye book (talk) 11:19, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

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Women in Red 8th Anniversary
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Sparshott (surname)


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An idea for you
A while back, you proposed a new section of the Main Page that essentially would be DYK, but for more specialist/niche readers. I wasn't crazy about it at the time, and I don't think the wider community was either. But as of late, I've come around to something similar to your idea, largely because of how I think about DYK's broader purposes.

My opposition to a lot of the more "niche" contributions that wend their way through DYK's pipeline comes from the fact that I think DYK should be, first and foremost, reader-centric: it is the job of the people who curate the DYK project to make sure that we are putting forward content that our readers want to see, so that they will click through now and come back later. You and I do disagree on what exactly "reader-centric" should mean, but that's not quite the point. My point is more that DYK also, undeniably, has an editor-centric purpose: to incentivize senior contributors to write new content, and reward them for the same. And to that idea, it's not a little unfair that some editors lose out on that chance, or have a harder time with it, because they write more specialist content.

Now, I think that if we were to have a section of the Main Page dedicated to more specialist new articles, it shouldn't follow DYK's format. Part of DYK's reader-centric mission is to maintain a brand of consistently showing articles that our reader wants to see. But if we do it right, then we can actually serve that mission, rather than detracting from it: if we split the DYK pipeline at the end, diverting some percentage of the nominations that don't quite make it on interestingness grounds into a separate section, we can make DYK more interesting on average and give our more niche editors a chance for their work to see the light of day. It's a win-win situation.

So, my draft proposal would be this: if a clear consensus can't be reached to stamp an article on interestingness grounds, the nominator can elect to divert an article into the TFL box on the Main Page (it'll show when TFL doesn't, Saturday–Sunday and Tuesday–Thursday), where the article will instead be shown in a TFA-style format. The box would have a list of transclusions, maybe 10 or 20, and show one at random every time a user loads the page – as new transclusions are put in, old ones are taken out (RD-style). If the reader wants to see another one of the new articles, we'll have a button they can click to cycle through the current list of transclusions.

What are your thoughts? Would love to hear :) pitching this would be really tough, but maybe there's a way to thread the needle. (cc: ) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 05:58, 9 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your thoughts. I just woke up, haven't even made today's story, am behind responding to 2 GA reviews, - so just briefly.
 * My story today will be about Leningrad première of Shostakovich's Symphony No. 7, not by me but important for this day. Why that wasn't on DYK ever, I don't know. Yesterday was a violinist, before the first wife of Stravinsky. All these could have fallen into the niche hole of DYK, but look how many were interested in the latter two, and will be in the symphony.
 * I don't like my position described as editor-centric. It's the readers to whom I'd like to pass information. Compare a discussion about Michael McCown on the promoter's talk.
 * My idea wasn't as elaborate as yours, - you can simply present it as yours. My idea was to have a section comparable to the Recent deaths section of in the news, where you might just want to give the tenor's name, perhaps add (tenor): Michael McCown (tenor). The violinist had 6k + clicks with just her name.
 * My position is still "all the news that's fit to tell", no distinction of "interesting" and "not interesting", - my planned distinction was: bother to defend my hook, or just go by name and write two more articles instead of discussing.
 * I don't want to criticise other users' hooks, but must say that exactly from the perspective "can it be understood without previous knowledge?" (as given again for Le Vin herbé), many fail my knowledge. Just one example: Peta (cat). Without a link to Home Office, I would have known nothing, the animals name also told me nothing, and I couldn't care less in what became fat. I believe that - with a broad readership - we shouldn't even try to please all, but present a broad array of facts. The more unknown things we bring the more it deserves the label "Did you know ...?" The answer we expect is no ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:44, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Forgive me, I think I wasn't clear: we both had reader-centric points of view, albiet different ones. The reason I'm coming around to support a variation on this idea is because of the more editor-centric parts of my point of view.
 * And I was thinking about how RD does manage to pull in quite a few views without hooks: that's why I don't think articles that don't have "hooky" hooks should try. The blurb format is more beneficial, I think. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 07:18, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Please forgive me for not having been up enough to notice I wasn't on your page, TLC ;) - I think without any complicated process, we could solve the whole problem by eliminating the clause about interesting to a broad readership, which has crept into DYK rather recently. It could just be "interesting", period. In 2010, DYK accepted a Bach cantata every week, the pace that the composer wrote them, and nobody on DYK said that wasn't interesting, - it was one item of 24 per day, and they came and went without big discussions. That solution would be my first choice. Second solution (described above): Have some (2 to 6) new topics just by article title below the hooks, when the nominator doesn't want to go through the discussion process (nom - changes in prep - ERRORS) that often comes with a hook, eating up time that could go into article writing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:47, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You may be right; but I think, and imagine you would agree, that the clause isn't going anywhere. The community just isn't for it. But I would hope that we'd maybe find ourselves unlikely allies on this one, because it gives you something you're in favor of (fewer squabbles and bickers about hook interestingness and a chance for those articles to see the Main Page anyway) without compromising what other people want DYK to be. If you want a Bach cantata every week again, without ever fighting with anyone about a "broad audience" or what DYK is supposed to be for, you can have it as a full blurb in this proposal, no interestingness questions asked. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 09:17, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * All 200 Bach cantatas were covered, yes some by being mentioned with a singer. I focus now on the small articles for hymns and places that won't be long enough for DYK, and GAs, and sleep better ;) - I'll watch your proposal with interest. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:25, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you both for your comments - I am interested in what you both have to say, and I agree with Gerda's opinion. Leeky, I think I would probably support your idea, but I would need a clear example or demonstration of exactly what you want to do, before I gave full approval. Could you perhaps seek out a few articles (not those currently in DYK system) which you think would not fit normal DYK, and present them as per your new idea (no need for any techy presentation at this point). I'm asking this, because I don't know if (a) you want to just list the titles of the targeted articles, or whether (b) you want to choose one article and summarise it to fill the box, and have it magically replaced with another article summary every time you blink - or (c) something else. This is not meant to be a negative comment in any way - I just want to fully understand what you want to do. If I think it looks as if it would work, I'll support it. Storye book (talk) 08:14, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It would look mostly like TFA/TFL does now, with a few important changes:
 * The box picks from 20 possible options.
 * When you load the page, it'll show you a random one.
 * You can use up and down buttons to cycle through all 20 options one-by-one.
 * i can put together a more concrete example if you'd like, but pretty much anything that isn't "techy" would just be TFA :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 09:10, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I hesitate to ask you to spend time writing out an article summary - enough to fit the TFA box - but if you are planning on putting this potentially good idea up for discussion, maybe you will have to create an example at some point anyway? I really would like to see an example, if and when you get time, either now or in a future formal discussion. Storye book (talk) 09:42, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I think a single entry would look like the format of TFL, as that for Beethoven's monuments here. Cake will have to wait ;) -- going outside again today. -Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:30, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * After thinking a bit more about it, I would probably accept just about any format, if it gave more articles a chance of promotion on the main page. Go for it, Leeky! Storye book (talk) 08:00, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

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August music
Today's music is played by my brother's orchestra, conducted by two very young men on their way up, - the picture was taken shortly after the invasion of Ukraine began, - more detail on my talk. Images reached the day of the Tenebrae concert mentioned in July. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:44, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Congratulations to your brother! My daughter has now seen the 1964/65 Solti-Gotterdamerung documentary, and she also would like to know whether Bayreuth got its steerhorns back? Were they ancient Saxon artefacts, or were they specially made for Wagner? We would love to know. Storye book (talk) 21:11, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I watched some of the video with great interest. Never saw DFD that young, and interesting how little he changed. He read at an event of the RMF, a reading of letters by Strauss and Hoffmannsthal, he was Strauss, of course ;) - Afaik not even the Bayreuth horns were anything ancient, - this calls them "nachgebaut". They were played a few days ago, - no idea if the identical ones or others "nachgebaut". Leipzig recently had new horns made for their Ring. - Could you perhaps find an image for Nancy van de Vate / Nancy Van de Vate, + find out which name is better? - Brother's wedding tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:45, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I have done the Van de Vate picture.
 * Thank you for the info, and the very interesting link. Yes, the BBC called the horns "steerhorns", and nachgebaut translates as bullhorns, which is almost - but not quite - the same thing, because a steer is a bullock (i.e. castrated), and a bull is the complete animal. In British humour that comparison of horns is very funny, but you may roll your eyes ... Similar horns have been found in Ireland. This is a picture of one of them. They would be over four feet long if straightened out. I think the Irish horns are probably Saxon, and probably dating from the 8th or 9th century. They are very beautiful, but too delicate to handle or play, I believe. Because the Irish ones are longer than the ones used by Solti, I am guessing that the pitch would be lower? Storye book (talk) 09:29, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Re the surname: the "van de" should be lower case when you use the whole name. It is explained here on WP. Storye book (talk) 09:36, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, languages are funny, in German "Stier" is the complete animal vs. Ochse (ox), - "Ochs auf Lerchenau" is a good play with that word. - I thought the same about the Van, and indeed moved the article, only to find her official website, and move it back. I guess her husband's name was americanized, and she took it from there - and then married the other. A name is a name even when not following the rules. There are several Belgians who also have it capital. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:02, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, so the BBC got it right. They are stierhorns. I just spelled it wrongly. They must have been named after the aurochs? Their horns were big enough to make into hunting horns. Storye book (talk) 10:22, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh Stier ;) - Thank you for the image! - Do you have access to this review and could write about it? A review in a decent magazine would make all the difference to this bio! Wait until I begin the section. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:36, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I can paraphrase a little of the review and add the citation to the article, if that is what you want. But at best it damns by faint praise, and there is not even much faint praise in it. On the other hand, if the other reviews are enthusiastic, then this one would be fine for the sake of neutrality. Storye book (talk) 11:55, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The section is there, and yes please, just one line with the ref. There is no other review (yet), and this confirms that she was noticed at all, which is more than we have so far. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I have added the review. I put it in a new section, but of course you are welcome to move or change that. Storye book (talk) 16:18, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Done, - thank you! - Do you think you could a pic for Mariana Sîrbu? - My story today - a first - isn't about an article by me, but one I reviewed for DYK, see here. I like all: topic, "hook", connected article (a GA on its way towards FA), image and the music "in the background". I just returned from a weekend of weddings, so also like the spirit ;) - Pics to come, I promise one cake, the other was too large! Good music, and better even in the concert ending the second day, - Goldberg Variations theme for an encore, after Dohnányi Serenade. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:39, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, will do, tomorrow. Storye book (talk) 21:02, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Yes, please show us some cake! Storye book (talk) 08:31, 8 August 2023 (UTC).

Thank you! - Again not by me: today's story - with the triumph of music over military - is uplifting! - No cake yet, but a butterfly and open-air opera. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Can you perhaps help us to a pic of Klesie Kelly? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:11, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I can't do that one, because she is still alive. If she had died, then I could upload a non-free image of her, on the understanding that there were no free images available. If the subject is still alive, then the official WP assumption is that we can still go and photograph them and get a free image. But you are welcome to carry on sending me dead ones who need photos. Storye book (talk) 09:37, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for explaining. She gave me an autograph in my score of Elijah. On top of singing the Widow with expression, she was also convincing as the boy announcing the desired rain. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:44, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You should have taken a photo! ;-) Storye book (talk) 09:51, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think I even had a camera then. - I remember a non-free photo being added to Anne Sharp and I think while she was still alive. Voceditenore and I helped her daughter to write the article, and the singer enjoyed the DYK first in a doctor's waiting room, as the daughter reported. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:37, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That was because she gave her permission. Storye book (talk) 10:42, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I see, thank you! - Now: picture of heart-shaped cake(s) uploaded! - Today's story is about a tenor, - why his roles are not linked on the Main page remains a mystery to me. (see WP:ERRORS) Today is also the birthday of the Bayreuth Festival. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:00, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I can't find the cake. Link please? Storye book (talk) 17:15, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You click on songs and scroll down. It's not the typical American high-riser. Last image of 4 Aug. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:44, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Beautiful cakes! It took a while to load up - the broadband is weak in my village, so I had to try several times. Well worth the effort, though. I shall dream of the strawberry one. Storye book (talk) 08:40, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Strawberry is what I had, - after tapas all you can eat including paella, there was no room for more. I wonder if I should begin a new section for each month? You could also just go to the commons and look at my contribs, - planning to upload the other wedding today - but probably without cake as I had no position to have it without people. First another recent death. Yesterdays was easy, - you are welcome to nominate Berit Lindholm for DYK, on the Main page right now (1 of 8, imagine, - 6 are usual). I'd supply a qpq. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:29, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for asking me, I'll have a go. Storye book (talk) 09:49, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. I think you'll probably scold me for ALT1, but I couldn't resist it (British humour). Apologies in advance. Storye book (talk) 10:24, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * One more day uploaded, with another wedding cake - I couldn't resist. Today's story is about the Inkpot Madonna who returned to "her place" 9 years ago, and also has aspects of early learning, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:00, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict - I shall look for your new cake!) Thank you for the scolding, Gerda! (((Hugs))). It is a time-honoured tradition among British journalists (and musicians, and doctors), to tease their editors/video-editors/journal-editors by including something that is naughty but camouflaged in the copy, in the hope that the (disrespected) boss might let it through to publication. In the rare event that that does occur, the editor is unlikely to bring the hidden naughtiness to public attention, as the blame would fall on the person in charge of the publication, i.e. the editor. These light-hearted pranks can include double entendres, and this example is set at schoolboy level. It should certainly have been noticed and paraphrased, but it got through. Woolf knows perfectly well what he is doing.


 * British humour often delights in other types of puerile vulgarity concealed among ultra-sophisticated material. One of the best examples is Edward Gibbon's Decline and Fall, the first half of which contains paragraph after paragraph of magnificent prose, replete with over-arching clauses, which bring you down to earth in the last sentence with an abrupt piece of vulgar wit. In this case, Woolf has not exactly attained that level, so that the silliness of it is enough to brighten up a dull day.


 * So yes, Woolf knows exactly what he is doing, and he is a naughty boy, but he made me grin, and I thank him for it. Some might think that it is just unfortunate that Lindholm got caught in the crossfire. However, Woolf's joke feeds off another regular joke made by sopranos who, when asked to take the tenor part, respond that "I can get down there, but I can't project it". Lindholm would have recognised that reference, and I believe she would have grinned, as I did. Anyway, one can take comfort in the fact that those non-musicians who read the blurb on opera music albums will probably not spot the prank. Storye book (talk) 16:21, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for explaining culture, and I grinned too, and it's in the article. But - if you ask me, and you may but not DYK - a prank shouldn't be the only thing an unprepared reader, and one who won't visit the article (which will for every hook be the majority!!), will be told about a great dramatic soprano, dramatic in action and singing. - Did you read the interview? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Update. Oooh. I found the cake quickly this time. I love the choccy one on the bottom tier. Lucky wedding guests! Storye book (talk) 16:32, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree that ALT1 should not be chosen for the very reason that you have given. They won't get it. I just included it because it made me happy on a dull day. Please feel free to delete it. It has done its job, we have had our laugh. Storye book (talk) 16:38, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I had two helpings of the choccy one, and missed only the one with physalis. - They won't get it, - it's hilarious in a way. I went on my usual round saying: Today is the anniversary of the premiere of Götterdämmerung. Berit Lindholm sang its final scene in concert at the Royal Festival Hall in London, only four years after her stage debut in a Mozart opera in Stockholm. - Seriously: the discussion is closed, and even if open, I'd only strike not delete. Did you see my edit notice that some days actually helps me? A wise guy quoted? Who has ten rules? (on my user page, look for "We are all grown ups here") - In the latest pictures: red roses for you --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:51, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I do love a good dose of British humour. Maybe you'll bring some more, another time :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:53, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Lovely roses! Thanks for the link. Storye book (talk) 07:36, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I haven't checked the ref for the "first in the Soviet Union" yet (probably in Swedish), - since when did the Soviet Union exist, and was that piece really not played there? - Could it be "first singer from the West" in that role? I also don't know why SU would be more acceptable than London. - Other idea: that she performed her first Isolde after eight months of preparation (while pregnant and giving birth), - not in the article but could be, - it's in the Canadian paper clipping that SusunW found. Lindholm was clicked 12k+ times, - that's enough. I just thought we had a chance to say something substantial about her, on top of just the name. I'm a dreamer ;) - did you see Ray's rules? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:16, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The Soviet Union link on the hook should have the date of inception. The source (with google translate) says something similar to the hook. I followed the link, but did not see Ray's rules. Storye book (talk) 09:03, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The link says 1922, and I can't believe that 1971 was the first time that piece was played there, - there must be some moderation, such as first time in German, or first time by a singer from the West. I don't trust the source if it doesn't say so. Go to my user page, search for "grown ups", the rules are the following link. I don't want to make it too public. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:10, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * 1898 was the premiere of T & I in Russia (Mariinsky Theatre, St Petersburg). Stalin was in control of USSR 1924-1953, and he was heavily invested in his country's own national music. So was Breszhnev. Both were commanders during the Battle of Stalingrad. So I believe that the hook tells the truth.
 * Russian/Soviet music was extremely important to both of them. They had favourite musicians, and some arias would make them cry. I can believe that they would hesitate to allow music by Wagner to be performed in Moscow.
 * But by the early 70s, the Bolshoi was becoming more international. I can still remember the astonishment of hearing one of their basses singing Charon in Monteverdi's Orfeo in the late 60s or early 70s. Times were changing. Storye book (talk) 13:53, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That's really interesting, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:07, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Apropos of nothing, I was looking for that 70s Russian bass on YouTube, but could not find the same film. It was black and white, and in the film, Caronte/Charon was standing in his ferryboat, leaning on his pole, swaying slowly as if in the surge of the water.
 * But I did find this, Mario Luperi, whose voice sounds identical. Maybe it was Luperi in that old film. I have remembered that sound all these years. Anyway, enjoy. Storye book (talk) 15:11, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry that link doesn't work. Search on YouTube for Mario Luperi Caronte. Storye book (talk) 15:14, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, but I'm too busy right now, - will check some day. Today I heard a delightful concert, "Himmlische Freuden", remembered having heard Vilde Frang (Bruch concerto, in Zürich, with my brother's orchestra), and succeeded in preparing Renata Scotto's article enough for the Main page (which took two days). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:01, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The source for the "first" of Isolde has been regarded as weak, did you see? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:02, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * working on Gloria Coates: can you a find a better image? ... or trim that a bit, - it's so superlong. pics added of a happy day! - my story today mentions a composer because it's his birthday, and a conductor for whom my brother auditioned once (he was presented a piece to sightread, and asked if he should play the repeats, and that guy said "you can repeat until you are satisfied" - he played the repeats as written) - imagine: that chamber orchestra recorded a work by Ms. Coates! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:12, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Done.
 * Well done, your bro! At the weekend, the Proms featured the Budapest Festival Orchestra, conducted by Ivan Fischer. They played Weber, Schumann and Mendelsson. The performance was perfect - better than anything else televised at the Proms so far this year - and the audience stood up and roared, bravo! It was as if the conductor had put the whole orchestra under a spell - everyone playing so intensely, rapt as if in a trance, yet so perfectly together. That is so rare these days. Storye book (talk) 17:31, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, noticed!
 * Almost as if you speak about Saturday's concert. That conductor of 27 years mezmerising not only the ladies in the orchestra's first row (4 violins, viola and cello), look for the heavenly bliss above (pictured). Soloist also very young, deserves an article for the way she sang, but that will be a challenge, - just left Vienna State Opera studio. Good review in FAZ, to be quoted - later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:50, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Wow. These things are best heard in real life. You are very lucky. Storye book (talk) 18:14, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * yes! - today is Debussy's birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:34, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * sigh, thank you for standing up for me! The shortened hook is too short, I'm afraid, and technically needs italics for the piece. I suggest to also say "Wagner" who should be known - only 6 more characters - and think we also need "final scene" or people may think it was the whole thing. In short, I prefer the longer version. Victoriaearle added! ... which made me read the interview with Campbell (that I had postponed as too long). It says that it was the Vienna troupe doing Tristan in Moscow, mentioning names, and says "rarely played" not "never played". Now whom to trust, that is the question? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:29, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * for refreshment --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * where her pic comes from --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Wow, she has a strong voice, and some deep, rich notes. She must have made a good Brunhild. And that is a good pic.Storye book (talk) 21:03, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

found Vienna, so no doubt about that, will add to article - the pic seems to be what we have an excerpt of, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:12, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

and she was one of the valkyries in the Solti Ring ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

sigh again, found a source saying Isolde and Rosenkavalier were rare in the SU - I can't find a ref of her being proud, and now need sleep - perhaps reword hooks? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:52, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

do you think you could find an image for Vera Nemirova? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:17, 23 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Sorry, Nemirova is still alive, and there are no free-use images of her out there. I did find this: File:Anastasya Nemirova-Ralf.jpg - an actress who has the same last name, and looks strikingly like Vera Nemirova. Could they be related? A great grandmother? Storye book (talk) 08:37, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Sometimes you have to compromise, and sometimes you shouldn't. There's no middle way between showing a woman active, and described. N. and I would get along much better if they didn't review every single article I propose. I have 21 qpq to date, last year there were about 8 times as many, just to avoid this unproductive being lectured that my thinking is not in the spirit of DYK. End of sermon. - I had this idea of bringing BL to GA, but have Rachel Yakar unfinished on her way there, and Gloria Coates not ready for RD even, and someone asked if I'd bring Renata Scotto to GA, and the Myrthen article, meant to be on DYK on 12 Sep is waiting in the background. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:49, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have already said in the past, to a certain reviewer, that if they have an unhealthy obsession with their own fear of opera, then it is very creepy that they want to get into a clinch with it all the time. Storye book (talk) 20:16, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the pic info, - I missed the Jackie-aspect ;) - a little above, see "where our pic comes from" - here's your prize: two complete Salome yt, 1981 and 1984 (just look for her name and Salome), - had no time but for minutes of listening, and going out immediately. See my talk for "my" Ring on stage, don't want to copy that again and again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:51, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I'll have a look. Storye book (talk) 09:55, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Pic and other wishes
Can you please look for images for Gwendolyn Killebrew (today's story, did you see, - a 2014 hook!) and Gloria Coates? - Personal wish: Could you perhaps just delete the "compromise!" last section in the Lindholm DYK nom? Normally I delete DYK noms from the talk when they appear, but I like this one to stay for posterity ;) - and the passage has nothing to do with improving her article. We will not listen anyway, as you already deplored. The GAN, however, is moving along nicely. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

One more: could you please improve the alt description of Lindholm's image in the article. - GA! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:54, 26 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I have removed the offending paragraph. ;-). Also adjusted the image alt on the Berit Lindholm page (but please check that you agree to my changes).. Good luck with the GA. I just have the two images to search for. Storye book (talk) 19:46, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you ;) - What do you mean with the luck? - I picked Killebrew for today just for her birthday, a while ago - and look how nicely she fits! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:59, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't realise that you had completed the GA. Congratulations!
 * I have supplied an image for Killebrew, I really like that picture. I would have dated it to around 1970, when Motown singers were doing that relaxed big hair thing, but I have written circa 1980 because that is in the source. 1980 is possible, I suppose - I just think she looks younger than that.
 * Did you want me to do something for the Gloria Coates article? The article looks OK to me. Storye book (talk) 20:15, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Lovely to have that Killebrew pic! You can compare how she looked then watching the Götterdämmerung film of the Jahrhundertring (if you can), filmed 1979/80, great scene Waltraute-Brünnhilde, with Gwyneth Jones, but before it had been with Lindholm, in Düsseldorf (small world). - I must have dreamed when writing Coates, - well, yes you can comment oppose or support WP:ITNN, - just look for her name. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:07, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Happy again, no need for ITNN, someone kindly just marked it ready. But if you have extra time, that's a page where you can always make nominators happy with supports ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:12, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Also I misunderstood, I thought "ready" meant ready. Support would still help! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:11, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * She's on! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you ever sleep, Gerda? Sorry I missed all that about Coates ITN, but I'm glad she made it. you have done her proud. Storye book (talk) 09:02, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * This too shall pass. - Ten years ago on 28 August, I heard a symphony, with a heavy heart because of the pending decision in WP:ARBINFOBOX, and not worried about my future here but Andy's. - It passed, and I could write the DYK about calling to dance, not battle, and Andy could write the DYK mentioning about peace and reconciliation, - look. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:43, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Peace and love. Storye book (talk) 18:41, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Besides the symphony, there was the Elgar Cello Concerto, played by Sol Gabetta, who - focus artist this year - will play again on Wednesday, Beethoven's A major sonata, so that will my story that day, not a damn primary teacher ;) - from the --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:26, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The Elgar cello concerto will always be the DuPre performances, for me. Until MS took her over, she always lived twice as intensely (as a performer) as everybody else. Her music had a depth of timbre that I haven't heard in any other cellist. Storye book (talk) 20:16, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Would you find an image for Robert Hale (bass-baritone)? Be able to answer a question on the Berit Lindholm talk? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:27, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Robert Hale pic done. Talk page question done. I enjoyed that ... Storye book (talk) 10:36, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Returning: you are the greatest! I enjoyed the talk page response especially. Did you know that when Pavarotti made the first live telecast from the Met - with Scotto - you might have described him as slender? I didn't know until I glimpsed. I was asked if I'd take Scotto for GA, and you can probably imagine what I think about the prospect. Although, first live from the Met might appeal to the cheap seats we have to feed. - Found another recording with BL, Leonore, the early version of Fidelio, at times quite surprising. - Will listen to Beethoven in concert, probably the best I can do on a silent day. Sol Gabetta again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:46, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Glad you enjoyed it. ;-D Storye book (talk) 15:32, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * When I now go out again, can you please keep an eye on our soprano? Most edits were helpful, but one - linking all composers - created a unwanted sea of blue. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:46, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll do my best to remove unwanted links - but I'm not here all the time. Storye book (talk) 15:48, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * off to misatango concert - please watch my Main page article Le Vin herbé - what would you say for a DYK for Johanna Wallroth, - is there any English word for Irrwitz, combining mad and funny? Let's discuss here, please. You'll get September flowers, - later today if I'm not tired after the concert.
 * ps: Wallroth is my #500 for WIR, another Swedish soprano ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:23, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy to nominate Walroth for DYK, if that is what you are asking? I promise not to introduce frivolous material, this time (that was naughty of me).
 * However, if I nominate it, I will have to note on the template that I cannot work with one particular reviewer. I would also have to write here, that if that reviewer does insist on reviewing the Walroth nom, I shall not argue, but shall politely withdraw the nom.
 * I have no personal objection to that reviewer, I do not dislike them, and I know that they do very good and useful work elsewhere on DYK. However I cannot work with them due to their inability to compromise on opera-based hooks.
 * I do believe, however, that I could work with most other reviewers, whatever their point of view, and I know that in the past you as creator have managed fine with other reviewers. So this is not a matter of me trying to cause trouble. It is about what will work, and what won't work.
 * If you are happy with that, can you suggest an opening hook? Plus maybe an ALT1 which might have some appeal to the great unwashed, which is supposedly our audience? Storye book (talk) 18:42, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Re a word for mad and funny: Monty Python shows and The Goons shows were mad and funny. Their angle was the mismatch of mature and highly intelligent people behaving in an unexpectedly silly or insane manner. That sort of performance humour is called "zany" - a slang word for "insane" which is normally only used in respect of entertainment (i.e. "zany" is not intended to refer unkindly to mental illness). Storye book (talk) 18:52, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * There is another type of mad and funny performance humour, and that is farce. The adjective is "farcical". You may know the Feydeau Farces (French), which are brilliant, but are sadly too un-p.c. to be shown on British TV today. They were based on a tangled plot of lies and misunderstandings, but their true glory was their celebration of spite.
 * The Whitehall Farces (British) involved a lot of running about, witty comments, and massive embarrassment, all due to a complex plot about secrets, lies and errors. The true glory here was the number of times respectable men in suits had their trousers fall down, and the astonishing choreography of too many actors onstage running about at speed. (OK, you had to be there). This type has its own logic (based on misunderstandings) and therefore it is not zany. It is farcical. I hope that helps. Storye book (talk) 19:15, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Concert was inspiring, - the article got no DYK because I was too late, and am too proud to ask for mercy (normally), but two DYK this year mentioned it ;) - Did you see (in the review for Le Vin herbé) that your condition about N. is no solution, because even if a different reviewer approved, N. will show up and strike not only the approval but also the approved hooks? (The behaviour is ripe for ANI, only I have never done such a thing, and don't really want it. At least the striking of the hooks was reverted when I named it.) My idea was more to brainstorm hooks here and then I nominate. I'd go for the Mahler I heard, of course, that she also sang in Oslo and at the Lucerne Festival, and they are scheduled to do it again at the Elbphilharmonie next year. (N. will not have heard about it; I fear.) They look great together, but I wouldn't want to present a pic crop on the Main page because strictly it is forbidden, and as long as the music plays, I wouldn't take pics. Mahler might work with N. because it's no opera. The critic's wording is interesting but I wonder about translation. "Irrwitzig" in German could be said about a speed you think is impossible. Deeple gives "Irrwitz" as "madness" which missed the "witzig" aspect, and wiktionary has "absurdity" which I took but wondered ... - We have a week. Perhaps I'll find more but first comes that Wotan, who was married first to Inga Nielsen, - his article only mentions his second wife, so far. Nielsen was much beloved in Frankfurt. I may have seen her as Despina, before she turned dramatic, and then spoke in an interview about the many ways she has to kill her husband on stage, - Tosca and Scarpia for example. Opera is sooo interesting. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:16, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I am glad you are going to be nominating again. Please could you write out the hooks in full, linked with their article? Then I can give you an opinion. Storye book (talk) 04:31, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

September 2023 at Women in Red
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DYK for Berit Lindholm
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September thanks
Thank you for all you do for these opera singers, including images! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:21, 1 September 2023 (UTC)


 * You are welcome. I enjoy doing the images. That job is peaceful and therapeutic! Storye book (talk) 04:34, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * ... and now we may need a nonfree image for BL? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:37, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * If and when they delete the BL image, then if there is no other free image available, I'll replace it with a non-free thumbnail, hosted on en.WP in the usual way. We should be able to use the same image (though reduced in size) for that job, because we now have appropriate sources etc. So we should end up with the article looking the same. If you believe that there might be any problem with that, please let me know. Storye book (talk) 20:03, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The hook was a bigger problem (not your naughty suggestion but the one that ran), and having that in the archive without image is no pleasant thought, but we probably have no better choice. The free image now considered seems not better. - Different request: I asked some people about Robert Hale for ITNN, but get nervous at WP:ITNN where one more support would look better. Imagine: if he doesn't make it, I'd feel I'd have to make him GA for a DYK at least, and then we'd end up with his wife speaking about the different ways to kill her husband in opera (Tosca, Salome)... - better plain and simple In the news. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
 * nevermind, he's on --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:17, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Our festival's last concert was most moving and inspiring, and there are seconds of it - plus glimpses of an interview with the conductor, age 96 - in this tv summary. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:44, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Could perhaps find an image for Milka Stojanović? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:57, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Storye book (talk) 11:27, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
 * And how about Walter Arlen? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:38, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Walter Arlen pic done. I normally try to find a young and glamorous picture, considering that most of your subjects are performing musicians who have an image to consider (even if they are no longer with us), but I really loved this smiling picture. I hope you agree. Storye book (talk) 13:20, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * yes, what a smile - thank you! - how about Anatol Ugorski? ... and Ute Vinzing - her birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:21, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Ugorski is done. I cannot find a free-use image for Vinzing, sorry. I have looked on Commons, Google search, Flickr and German WP. No luck. Storye book (talk) 09:02, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for another great face! I forgot that Vinzing is alive. I hope that is. For some I wonder if we'll ever receive a note that they died. I wondered for Yvonne Cianella, for example, but was wrong. Oh, how about a pic for her ;) - Vinzing's birthday is today, and her DYK nom failed in 2019, - I forgot, DYK? Imagine, four years. I thought I endured for a year, or perhaps two. But this too shall pass. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:28, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Yvone Cianella done. There are very few pictures of her out there, and those are of poor quality, so that you cannot see her face properly. The least obscure one is on People Pill, which is a dodgy source, so I could not use it. So I've uploaded the best of the rest. Maybe one day we'll find a clearer pic of her face. Storye book (talk) 19:59, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! Sorry about my typo. I probably told you already that she was the first leading soprano in my life, Lucia. I had stepped in for my mother, and couldn't believe that my dad did not cry, but I also remember some kind of disillusion when I saw a photo of her in the foyer, looking twice as old as my impression from the balcony - funny that I still remember where we sat. - Next wish Ursula Schröder-Feinen. On my way to my first Parsifal, with Dara Hobbs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Ursula Schröder-Feinen pic done. Storye book (talk) 10:36, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Lovely, adding so much life to her! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:15, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Now pics around that memorable concert (above), and the story of Walter Arlen, - proud that I survived the decision in WP:ARBINFOBOX for 10 years, standing and singing --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:25, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, well done for surviving that. There are some bullies out there. Storye book (talk) 17:05, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Today's story is about a great pianist with an unusual career, taking off when he was 50. It's the wedding anniversary of Clara and Robert Schumann, but I was too late with our gift. Thank you for approving, but no miracle yet. - Just for fun: when do you think did Mrs. and Mr. Schumann get their infoboxes, and by whom? (The answer can be found here, but please think first.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:13, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Haven't looked yet. Today by one of your nemeses? I'll look now. Storye book (talk) 14:49, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Just tried to find it on Robt Schumann via my phone, but I got back to 2021 and it was still there. It was not there in 2005, so it happened some time in between. I'll look via my pc later, that will be easier. Storye book (talk) 15:03, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, I just noticed you had linked it, sorry. I don't recognise the editor names. Well done them, anyway. Storye book (talk) 15:08, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * today a soprano - and new pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:45, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Nice one! Storye book (talk) 19:59, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Berlin
Still full of musical impressions from Berlin: talk to Kip Winger (without knowing who he was, signed the program with my first name ;) ), and watch Anna Netrebko as Lady Macbeth! (yt of the latter - from 2018 - on my talk) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:57, 18 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Sounds fun! Glad you had a great time. Storye book (talk) 15:13, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Latest pics from Berlin (one more day to come). - Today I remember Raymond Arritt, who still helps me, five years after he died, per what he said in my darkest time on Wikipedia (placed in my edit-notice as a reminder), and by teh rulez. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:05, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Would you find a pic of Stephen Gould (tenor)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:13, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. I prefer the great photos of him singing in full voice, in rough and scary costume - with his scowl and his large figure, he makes a fantastic picture. (example) But that would sadly not make a friendly picture for the article, so you get a pretty publicity photo from his early career. Enjoy. Storye book (talk) 11:34, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * done, enjoyed, I mean, both! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:15, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I enjoy the current pic less. Can we perhaps have a crop of just the face? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:25, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Storye book (talk) 19:25, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, but I liked the other better ... - How about one for François Glorieux? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:49, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. I could have used a younger picture, but he looks so happy in this one. I think it could be from when he was knighted,. But please change the date if you disagree. Storye book (talk) 09:32, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I like it, thank you! - Myrthen: no need for another appr, as what followed was - unlike what we became used to - just a comment, not with an icon holding up proceedings. The comment was also not needed because whether to use the image or not is at the discretion of the promoter anyway. As if we had too much time. I nominated a baritone, and will nominate the multitalent next. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:36, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * ps: in yesterday's concert, I sat next to Tabea Zimmermann, and we had nice small-talk, but I understood who she was only back home. She has a pic! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:38, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, you are living among the stars. Nice! Re the nom – OK. It was a tactical move on my part. I thought it would be safer to re-state the green tick without the picture, because I didn't want the nom to be thrown out of prep again, for the same reason. Although I agree with your reasoning, they are always going to judge the validity of the picture in the same way. Storye book (talk)
 * Casals Forum is among the five best halls for chamber music in the world, and yes, feel blessed. They run their annual festival, and I will go again tonight. Gidon Kremer, who had performed before intermission, sat next to her after, - which should have told me something ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:52, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * My story today is The Company of Heaven ("company" with a double meaning, but angelic company in the end). - Any chance for a pic of the young BB? I can't use the official pic for an article like that, - decades too old. The early ones might get out of copyright, no? - No new pics from me yet, - it's a week with concert or opera almost every night! Opera tonight, young cast, brilliant, - Frankfurt again "Opera House of the Year"! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:20, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll have a look for an old pic of BB tomorrow (been out photographing today). Storye book (talk) 20:31, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. File:Benjamin Britten (1).jpg. and File:Benjamin Britten (1b).jpg.
 * Re definition and culture of fiancée. I guess we can all tell you what is happening in our respective countries, regarding popular current usage of the term. It becomes more complex when we look at its historical usage in the various countries where our readers live.


 * In respect of the UK, for example, I have been researching via old newspapers and documents for some decades now, and I don't remember seeing the word "engaged" or "fiancée" before around 1900. I have seen the word "betrothed", in respect of the aristocracy. All those words always imply a public promise to marry, and for those under 21 years old (in those days) an agreement between families.


 * I am mainly interested in the working class and professionals, though, and I have not seen any of those words used in their lives. Because running a household was expensive, ordinary people would wait until they could afford to do that, before making public promises to each other. I don't know whether it was in their contract, but apprentices would usually wait until they had completed their apprenticeship before marrying - if only because apprentices did not receive a full wage. Many female employment contracts (e.g. for teachers, nurses, servants) only admitted unmarried women, so that they had to leave their employment to marry. In all those circumstances, as far as I can see, they used to marry as soon as they could, when they were free to do so, and had a bit of money.


 * So I don't suppose many of them thought about engagement. But that is only about the working class in the UK. The aristocracy and other rich property/business owners were in a different position. Dynasties were important to them, so engagements were made with a strong parental input, on a financial and political basis. But whether any of this would have affected the Schumann family, I have no idea. I think that for that article, you need to use the word,"fiancée", in respect of German history only. Storye book (talk) 11:06, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

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Denis Garrett photo
Hi Storye book -- Thanks for uploading a better-quality copy of this photograph. I'm confused, though; for some reason now obscure to me I thought it was dated 1971? It appeared in print in the Biographical Memoirs but I don't know how one would check when it was first published. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 01:42, 5 September 2023 (UTC)


 * He is wearing a demob suit (issued 1945-1947) or certainly a 1940s suit. He is likely in his early 40s, bearing in mind his recent illness and the fact that men of that era looked older for their age than they do today, partly because food had been severely rationed in the UK. It looks like a university staff photo, and was probably tsken for a university publication. Storye book (talk) 03:32, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

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October songs
Can you find an image of Felix Ayo? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:57, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Most of the available photos are of him concentrating on his playing, which makes him appear to be scowling. But I found an early one, which is better, although it is rather small. Hope that's OK. Storye book (talk) 09:15, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * That's lovely. Would you find one for Claus Wisser? Sad reason for not taking one myself: when I saw him last, kick-off of the 2023 RMF in December, he looked frail. And now that I think of it, I didn't see him at the last festival. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:15, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Sorry to hear that you have lost a friend. I found a nice picture of him. Storye book (talk) 13:35, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, lovely - thank you! - Russell Sherman? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:05, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Storye book (talk) 20:25, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, great pic! - Jacqueline Dark? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:25, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Storye book (talk) 13:38, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * cow singing your praises - see pics, even two roses --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:16, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you mean - which pics? So long as you like the pix that I uploaded, that's OK. Storye book (talk) 19:21, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * A few more pics (hidden behind the title of the calendar pic, and red roses this time), and see my talk for what we sang today (I'm the woman in red), and what Tabea Zimmermann played (today's story on her birthday): I heard it, and it's on YouTube. - I missed only singing the very last (congregational) hymn because I suppressed coughing. Not my favourite anyway ;) - The Monteverdi is! - "J. Haydn: Ave Maria" - I wonder if that is Jacob Haydn or who. It's on YouTube but wasn't in Joseph Haydn's Hob. Verzeichnis, and perhaps I better remove it there ;) - Not in the mood for DYK, but will hopefully remember tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:06, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Ooh, you have been singing some good stuff. I remember singing the Ave Maria Stella, top sop, a long time ago. The Vespers of 1610 is probably my favourite choral set of all time, though there are loads of second favourites.. I had Gardiner's San Marco version of that (1989, I think - can't be bothered to look it up), wore it out, then had the dvd and nearly wore that out - but of course it's all streamed now. Enjoy your rest. Storye book (talk) 08:59, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, - my favourite as well, - singing the whole thing in 2019 was probably the best I ever did, - same place, and a friend had flown in from New York to listen! It was the first time Lieselotte Fink appeared as a soloist (remember Misatango?), with her teacher as first soprano: one in spirit. No recording. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:12, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * How lovely - you are very lucky. Storye book (talk) 10:50, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes. - Different pic request ('cause the two who died have a pic already): I just met Sondra Radvanovsky, per the critic of showing Clara Schumann's pic, of all people, and I think that this selfie would work much better if focused on her face, - would you agree? I did a quick pruning spree of the article that also leaves the impression of a selfie ;) - more welcome, back to the tenor. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:48, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. However there are issues of permission with this one. I have written a request to the VRT people, so that they can check the permissions. My question has been put on the Commons:Volunteer Response Team/Noticeboard here: Storye book (talk) 16:07, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and let's wait and see. I didn't talk to her, btw, the information that it's a selfie comes from the pic description + is obvious ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:18, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, that's fine. Gerda, please could you do me a favour? Do you know anyone who could take one or more photographs of the Aida elephant in Berlin, for Commons? If you cannot see this link from your country, the caption of the picture is "Berlin, Germany. Costumed artists present an artificial 5-metre tall elephant to promote Aida - The Arena Opera Spectacle which will have its world premiere in Hamburg on 2 February. Afterwards, the opera production will tour Germany and other European countries". If we can get a photo of it, we could add it to the Giant puppet page, and maybe also the Aida page? (I love giant puppets!).I appreciate that we might not get the photo until February, but who knows. Storye book (talk) 16:27, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I wanted to reply when I was pinged, but then landed in an overdue DYK nom ... - To begin there: File:Steinbrenner garden, Frankfurt.jpg is nice in a large total, but for DYK I could imagine an additional crop of the the left 4 figures, with enough tree and grass to suggest "garden"? - Berlin: I don't go often, and next time may be in September. I had a close relative living there for a long time, visiting rather often, but only untl iten years ago or so. I had a friend living there for years (we sang together before, in choir in Wiesbaden) who worked there for the U.S. embassy, but she is now in Vienna. I had a friend living there for years, but then she returned to Idstein where we sing together. Summary: no direct contact to Berlin right now. You may want to ask users who recent uploaded pics to the Berlin area, or address where you asked about the license. - It occurred to me that you might talk about the license to the uploader, no? - Nice sad story today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:41, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Garden picture done: File:Steinbrenner garden, Frankfurt (1).jpg and File:Steinbrenner garden, Frankfurt (2).jpg. If they have too much or too little garden area, please let me know, and I'll do another one.
 * Elephant photo: Thank you very much for the explanation. I'm not sure which licence you are talking about? If you mean the uploader's own licence for the elephant photo, then the uploader must choose their own licence from the dropdown box when they upload to Commons. If you mean the German uploader's permission to take photos in public places in Germany - well, you may already know that Germany has Panoramafreiheit, so the uploader can take photographs in public places there without needing permission. I am assuming that the elephant would be photographed outdoors in a public place, and not during a stage performance. It appears to be photographed in a public place in the link above. I hope that helps. Storye book (talk) 10:00, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the crops, and I used the square one for DYK! (Now I just need to expand and reference ..., - why do I always notice close to midnight that there's a deadline?) - Sorry about making you write so much for a misunderstanding, - I thought it was clear that I meant the soprano with the Donizetti queens who uploaded her own selfie. She should be so pleased with how much better the cropped version is than having all these distorted lines in the background. - Can you get us a pic of Steinbrenner, potentially this one? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:47, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * 1. The Hans Steinbrenner photo is done. 2. Also, the selfie photo now has no problems, because the permissions are OK, as I have been informed. 3. I have made an enquiry about the elephant photo in the street, and about Panoramafreiheit in Germany, and I am told that because the elephant is a non-permanent artwork, it does not fall under Panoramafreiheit. But I have been given the names of two Berliner photographers, so they might know what to do. see User talk:C.Suthorn Cheers. Storye book (talk) 11:54, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * All fine, thank you! - next: Maurice Bourgue --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:47, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Storye book (talk) 12:08, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! - 3 more pics, one of roses. - Suscepit Israel - Mozart Figaro at Oper Frankfurt with the new GMD was fascinating. - Guess what: I have a ticket for Anna Bolena in Berlin, but tight schedule, - no promise for an elephant pic. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:14, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Wow, you lead an exciting life. I guess that over the winter that elephant will not go outdoors very much, so photographers would have to make an appointment with the theatre management? Storye book (talk) 08:42, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I see. - More pics, and today's story is on a birthday, and the real DYK was already on that birthday, - that was at a time when DYK wasn't like wrestling with an elephant ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:41, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * User talk:Gerda Arendt keeps track of "my" music and memories, and just today I have a juxtaposition of music performed by the two church choirs in town, one I sang in and one where I listened, to music about love, evening and night. - Pic for Hatto Beyerle? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:55, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, will do tomorrow. Storye book (talk) 22:24, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Storye book (talk) 05:30, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Great! Better than all I saw. If you have an extra minute, look in his article at the ECMA yt (in ENglish), if more the other, with subtitles, and that voice. I like the Steinbrenner hook on the Main page today, but why without image I don't understand. I struggle with the usual suspect about what makes a good hook (for the umptieth time). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:07, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * He's on the Main page now! - Sigh, a 1912 pic of Ravel at the piano was deleted on the commons. I forgot how it looked, and try to replace it by this 1913 pic where I used it - all in compositions infoboxes. For that purpose, I find it too slim, and don't think all that jacket adds much to the expression of his face. Could you perhaps make an alternate shorter one? - A few more pics are your reward, - caution: hornet. - Could you perhaps check the nomination of Carmen Petra Basacopol - sadly with a different pic, luckily free - for RD, here? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:43, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The Ravel pic is done, that is, I have replaced his portrait in his article, if that is what you wanted?. I shall look at the other matter later. Storye book (talk) 17:44, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Update. I have given the Carmen Petra Basacopol article a minor copyedit; it is already nicely written. Storye book (talk) 17:58, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Update: I'm sorry, I was obviously not clear saying "all in compositions infoboxes" - while the composer has none, and I restored the former image, - the other is already in his article where over-length doesn't matter. Thanks for the ce, but I wasn't clear there either: what's needed is a bit of support under "here". I'm getting nervous, - last day, - I was pleasantly away for the weekend as you may have noticed on my talk, - pics to follow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:48, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. Sorry it looks as if I'm too late now. Storye book (talk) 07:45, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * She's on, - see my story! - Next time will come, as hard as I try not to nominate the very last day ;) - There's more detail in two dissertations, if case you don't know what to do. I know many other corners where I'm late. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I'm not idle. I am always researching and preparing new articles. "My" articles tend to require a lot of research and checking, and tend to take a long time to complete. Some articles have taken me several years. But I'm always willing to help out with pictures, when needed. Storye book (talk) 08:22, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I wasn't serious ;) - we need to make our choices of priority, and I decided to to more reviewing and pic uploading today than provide more details about her. Those who care can read the dissertations that are in English. I might have decided differently if they were in German, and today is the day people care, and in a week, she'll be back to 2-digit view-counts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:19, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Although I keep a log of "my" articles' DYK page views out of curiosity, I don't actually care how many views they get, so long as they get a few. I think there are probably very few quality views on each article. Your two per week are probably the quality views, and it works the same with mine.

And, in a similar vein, as for my articles being "interesting" - well, I always reckon that if one person besides myself finds it interesting, then that is enough. You never know what the next generations will see in it. Yesterday, the BBC broadcast University Challenge, which had a question with a shocking answer - which you may know about, and I did not. Apparently there are at least four cases where it has been established that a male scientist (or two male scientists) were awarded the Nobel prize for their work which was directly based on a discovery by a woman - and those four female pioneers got nothing. It was the more shocking that, even now that the facts have been established, the women have still got no prize - not even retrospectively. But at least now they are recognised. I wish I had written down their names, and checked whether those women have WP articles. I hope they have. So what I mean is, things that are not publicly interesting now, may be interesting one day, like those women. Storye book (talk) 14:09, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I think we agree. - In one DYK discussion, there was the claim that the promoter would be able to tell what makes a good hook, and I doubt it. Good in which sense? For me, a good hook is one that gets close to the subject, - be it an overview of life stations or one specific incident. Like the images you choose give one good impression of the subject. My purpose is not to attract as many readers as possible, but those interested in such a subject. (I hate hooks mentioning only what a subject did before their calling, - it's about the opposite of what I pursue.) I was wrong in my assumption that the musician had a 2-digit-number per day, - no, I saw only 1-digit before she died, even 1, per day. However, when she died, there was a first peak, and now that she is on the Main page, there's another peak, which will be even higher for today, because yesterday she was "on" very late, today full day. That is our chance to reach readers who are just curious about those who died and see only the name, but then, offered an interesting image and some interesting facts, may remain for details. It's a short window in time. - Believe it or not: the uploading worked, two more days, and ending with the king of sad juxtaposition of three cows alive, and part of one dead on a plate but very delicious. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:40, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, we agree about interestingness of articles. But hooks not so much, when there is an impasse. When reviewing on DYK, I just want to push the noms through quickly, and anything acceptable will do for me, so long as it is not a lie, or offensive to the subject of a biography. You are right to be an idealist. I as a reviewer do attempt to make space for that, but (and you know the rest). :-D. Storye book (talk) 14:58, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The hook is the first thing on an article talk, - too bad if it sends a wrong idea ;) - the "damn elementary teacher" comes to mind. - Back to pics: István Láng? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:32, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * You are of course right about the potential malign effect of hooks. But so long as there is no way of getting certain people to leave certain nom templates on the grounds that they want to block all and any mention of certain arts, then we're sometimes going to have to choose between a bad hook, an impasse, or closing the nom. No nominator should have to tolerate that situation. Meanwhile, I'll do the new picture later today. Storye book (talk) 12:34, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Another pic question related to today's story: I found a pic yesterday that illustrates the hook much better than the other could even if it was free. Should the fair-use one even be kept? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:55, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Please send me a link to the relevant pics? I'm still confused. Storye book (talk) 22:13, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * And yet another question: the description says "c. 1900", - well, they got married in 1902, so would be interesting to know if this was taken before or after, if only to get the caption right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:27, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * István Láng pic done. Which photo is dated c.1900? I usually date portraits by the subject's apparent age, hairstyle, clothes style etc., especially for people who lead public lives,  because often an attractive picture taken when they are, say, 30 years old, continues to be used and published for many years. Postcard pictures are the worst for playing that trick on us. Storye book (talk) 16:36, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry for having been unclear: the one in today's story, both questions. - The composer's pic is lovely! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:01, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * A French woman today with a small body and a great voice whose portrayal of a role with different aspects I enjoyed! And another interesting composer. - Thank you for the Princess! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:36, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * You are welcome! Storye book (talk) 20:17, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Towards the end of the month, I thought of Brian Bouldton, and his ways to compromise, - with musings about peace there, - feel free to join. Hevenu shalom aleichem. Today is Reformation Day, and I believe that reformation is a work in progress. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:56, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for those links. I agree that there is a case for limiting the length of infoboxes, because some of them do carry a lot of unnecessary information which can be found in the main body text. However I disagree with his dislike of coordinates in infoboxes, for articles about places and structures. Coordinates are a primary feature of places and buildings - after all, the first thing one asks, is where is it, and is it within my reach? But do you think that a guideline saying that infoboxes should be concise or even very short (which is fine by me) would help to ease the ongoing fight about whether or not to have them at all? Storye book (talk) 18:39, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do, because a sentence such as "They have been a feature of WP articles for years now, and it seems obvious that they can provide a useful service to readers who want a few specific facts about a subject, rather than an in-depth study." makes no point for any case to have an article better without. Only, his friends will not accept that. I don't think he was against coordinates of structures, just seems to have joked about that the coordinates of a person's resting place are not of prime importance informing about the person's creativity. This essay was written a week before the infoboxes case opened, and too bad that the arbs didn't read it. They should just have rejected to hear it, - imagine! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 210, October 2023
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DYK for Thomas Henry Sparshott
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DYK for Margaret Elwyn Sparshott
RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 17 October 2023 (UTC) Thank you for the interesting double! - Would you find a pic for Christof May? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:01, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your kind comment, and for your help with the nom. The Christof May pic is done. A sad story. Storye book (talk) 08:04, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the pic. I remembered that you said so when we talked about it first. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:43, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Carmen Petra Basacopol? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:10, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Storye book (talk) 15:12, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

The thread above is getting too long ;) - I thought you might perhaps be able to find pics also for the people whose death is less recent. As the list is long, I'll perhaps point at some of specific importance, such as the first, Tatiana von Metternich-Winneburg, whose article I wrote five years after she died. The festival always places flowers on her grave (at a festival location) on her day of death, which is always during the festival. She came to my home once, to look at Schiele prints I have in facsimiles. The connection was a friend who had a Russian husband, and was also her friend. That made me one of the many who helped the birth of the festival, which changed my life. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:36, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The Princess Tatiana pic is done. I have uploaded it as non-free, because I cannot prove that it is free (though I tried). It's a jolly good glam pic, though, which she deserves. Storye book (talk) 14:50, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red - November 2023
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 * That is fine. A free image was found after this one was uploaded. Storye book (talk) 11:58, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

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