User talk:Tanthalas39/Archives/2008/June

The deletion of Reza F. Safa
Hey you have been trying to delete my page on Pastor Reza F. Safa. I want to understand why you are trying to delete this page. He is a very notable man having started a whole television network being viewed by over 50 million people at any given point in time. If there is a problem with the way i wrote it, please, i would really like to have an article on him, please, help me keep this article. I appreciate what you are doing and i thank you for your help

TBN Nejat TV


 * Hi there. There's not much more I can say beyond what's already at Articles_for_deletion/Reza_F._Safa. I don't agree with you (so far, anyway) that he is notable enough for inclusion on Wikipedia - or at least in the references we have so far. From the claims you make, it appears there is a chance that Mr. Safa is notable enough for inclusion, but we just need to find the proper references. I assure you I have nothing personally against this article or the subject, and as soon as I can be convinced that the subject meets WP:BLP, WP:BIO and WP:N requirements, you'll have my support! Tan  |  39  22:42, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Franklin,OH
Hi, I know this IP appears different(my isp hasn't been holding numbers for any person for very long), I edited Franklin due to the fact that Carlisle and Franklin OH are two different schools and two different towns. Unless something has changed drastically since 1995 when I left that area, it would still be the case. Let me know where you might have obtained this information, so we can verify which is true. I will take your word for it if verified and hope you didn't think I was vandalizing what you wrote. 68.29.137.68 (talk) 15:29, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, this seems to be an odd case. I'll defer for the moment - even though you aren't citing a reference for your change, I can't really back up the existing text! Thanks for your comment. Tan  |  39  22:42, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

you may want to chime in at
Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 16:07, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

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prods
I have deleted your comments from my talk page for violations of WP:AGF and personal attack policies, as well as your peculiar misreading of my comments. Since my comment on its face did not apply to you -- you were the nominator, not a proponent, a distinction I was careful to make, your hostile response was clearly inappropriate. I woud also note that "Old Jabo" is one of twenty-four songs selected by the Smithsonian for its "Classic Blues" collection, prima facie evidence of notability, and that you placed the prod tag on the article less that one minute after its creator, a new editor, had written his first Wikipedian sentence, which a reasonable and fairminded person could easily view as a violation of WP:BITE. I would suggest that, for your penance, you withdraw your poorly informed nomnation for deletion, apologize to the article's creator and offer to help him or her with future editing, and yourself take action to repair the article's defects. But I will not hold my breath. I also think you should review the sorry history of [User:Qworty], whose pattern of abusive behavior is well-documented an indisputable. An editor who take such particular joy in gratuitously and cruelly mocking the dead (e.g., ) is someone who deserves strong condemnation, and whose actions provide a roadmap to opportunities for abuse. Go forth, and sin no more. The Enchantress Of Florence (talk) 03:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you please point out the specific diffs where you think I "personally attacked" you? Also, the diff where you were "careful to make the distinction" between me and Qworty? I am honestly missing them. I made two edits to your talk page: and . Neither one even remotely attacks you - in fact, I am explaining the situation to other editors who were far more direct than I was. As for withdrawing the nomination for deletion, other editors, including an admin, agreed with me. All in all, I feel fine letting the AfD play out. If you feel differently, I suggest you express your opinions at the AfD, not here. You opinions here won't really count towards the AfD. Tan   |  39  03:39, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Exactly what part of "You were the nominator, not a proponent" is unclear to you? Why do you think describing my actions as a "vendetta" is not a "personal attack"? And why do you not reconsider your own bad behavior toward the "Old Jabo" editor? I'm sure you feel fine letting the AFD play out, but your willingness to announce the defects in your own sensitivities to the world is hardly wise. The Enchantress Of Florence (talk) 10:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I apologize for any comments you perceived as attacks. I did not mean to do so. However, I suppose we should all let the ANI thread speak for itself. Tan  |  39  14:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Balloonman as a nom
You have seen Requests for adminship/Dihydrogen Monoxide 3, right? If you haven't, you should take a look at his oppose of his own nominee; if you have, you get full marks for chutzpah. Darkspots (talk) 18:44, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Balloonman wrote that nom before DHMO even went live. Completely unrelated, as you know. Keeper   |  76   |   Disclaimer  18:46, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ha, yes, Darkspots. It was discussed before this went live, too, and I decided that DHMO's drama is not my own. If it garners a few opposes, so be it. Tan  |  39  18:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I doubt you get opposes for that. We've never interacted, but you've got my respect for your nerve, nonetheless, Tan. Darkspots (talk) 18:49, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Surprised
I'm surprised you left me on your RfA.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 21:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you read the above thread? You've been nothing but a supportive mentor to me (at least, after you killed my first RfA). There's no way I'm throwing you under the bus. Tan  |  39  21:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hot damn Tan! Optional questions!  You didn't get those last time until after it was almost snow closed!  Hurray!  (and have fun with #5..:-)  Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  22:42, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Dude you put in an Rfa. Why didn't you tell me?I have supported you. Good luck.:) Xp54321 (<font color="FF8C00">Vandals Beware!!! ,<font color="FF8C00">Contribs ) 23:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Xp. I appreciate the support! <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  23:10, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem, you deserve to be an admin despite what others may say. I predict you will pass.:)Good luck. Xp54321 (<font color="FF8C00">Vandals Beware!!! ,<font color="FF8C00">Contribs ) 23:12, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Your RFA
Best of luck for your RFA -- <em style="font-family:Kristen ITC;color:#ff0000"> TinuCherian  (Wanna Talk?) - 11:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I would like to echo these best wishes, it looks to be going quite well right now. also, thank you for participating in my RFA. i've included some templated thank spam below (yes, calories and stuff, but all my "pledges" are in there!). you may also be interested in checking out my in-depth RFA analysis (comments welcome). again, best of luck! xenocidic (talk) 13:07, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

<div class="NavHead" style="background:87 CE EB;">templated rfa thank-spam <div class="NavContent" style="text-align:left; background:240 248 255;">

I would like to thank the community for placing their trust in me during my recent request for adminship, which passed 72 13 2. Rest assured, I have read each comment thoroughly and will be addressing the various concerns raised as I step cautiously into my new role as janitor. In particular, I would like to thank Balloonman for putting so much time into reviewing my contributions and writing such a thoughtful nomination statement after knowing me for only a brief period of time (and for convincing me that I was ready to take up the mop now, rather than go through admin coaching).
 * Thank you for your support

To my fellow admins - please let me know right away if I ever take any mis-steps with my new tools. Should I make a mistake, and you reverse the action, I will not consider it to be wheel-warring (but please tell me so I can understand what I did wrong).

To everyone - please feel free to slap me around a bit if I ever lose sight of the core philosophy of Wikipedia as I understand it - the advancement of knowledge through the processes of mutual understanding and respect. As always, feel free to drop by my talk page if I can be of any assistance. =)

Sincerely,

~xenocidic, 01:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thoughtless comment
I replied on Pedro's talk page, but decided to drop you a note anyway. It was a bit out of character I'll admit. I was just a tad miffed at be labeled a hypocrite by two users who I have respect for. It's not like I opposed the candidancy, I stayed neutral so I could take a closer look when I had time. For some reason this made my Wiki-blood boil, but I think that's the worst you're ever going to see from Wisdom89. You know I don't normally make borderline incivil comments. Sorry to disappoint. <font color="#660000">Wisdom89  ( <font color="#17001E">T |undefined /  <font color="#17001E">C ) 22:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hahaha, its all good, man. My response was seriously to open my eyes a bit wider, maybe go "huh!", and move on. This in no way changes my opinion of you, and my reaction wasn't about any perceived incivility, it was that I disagreed with the actual thought itself. No big deal. In fact, sometimes I like it when editors can show a little character, instead of always trying to "maintain civility" and "good faith". <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  22:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I should write a disclaimer here, due to my current RfA opposition, that I am in no way endorsing uncivil comments. I merely like it when we can relax and loosen our ties. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  22:28, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks Tan! I much appreciate the advice, and want to thank you for informing me. Happy Editing!.. THEDEFLEDONE (talk) 22:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. Again, let me know if you have any questions. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  22:33, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem
I just don't understand the opposes over civility. You were a voice of reason in the civility issue I'm sure you remember. &mdash; scetoaux (T|C)  04:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user page. It was a recreation of an image I'd deleted per WP:CSD. Glad to see your RfA's going so well; most well deserved! Best, PeterSymonds (talk)  21:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries. I did sit back in my chair a bit when the image came up... <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  21:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * And just think Tan, if/when you pass RFA 3.5 days from now, you'll get to see that picture whenever you want, as well as any other deleted article/image. Oh, the joys of adminship...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:27, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Neutral
I think its just a quote from a source, rather then POV, in other words POV is find if it is balanced by another sourced POV. Wikidās ॐ 20:22, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Well that may be
I will try to reword it without making it square. Wikidās ॐ 20:33, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, just throwing in my two cents. You might want to work on this talk page style, too - starting a new header for every comment and insisting on breaking up the conversation between two talk pages is very inconvenient (even for you, I might add). <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  20:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. Wikidās ॐ 11:44, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for stepping in there. I appreciate your help. <font face="Ravie"><font color="#ff0000">D <font color="#ff6600">u <font color="#009900">s <font color="#0000ff">t <font color="#6600cc">i complain/compliment 03:06, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

RFA questions
Although they are marked as optional questions, but still, if possible, it'd be nice if you answered Questions 6-13 in your RFA. Thanks, Nsk92 (talk) 04:36, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Nsk92, I apologize if I have been being rude. That certainly wasn't the intent. I believe that my record, my policy knowledge, and my statements already made on the RfA speak for themselves. While I respect your opinions and questions, these questions are indeed optional, as has been made clear over many, many talk page discussions. While some editors, yourself apparently included, believe that they are mandatory by culture, I believe otherwise. The first two optional questions from Toddst1 were directly targeted at my prior actions so I chose to answer them. The remaining questions have been much more general; you can infer much, much more about me with a little bit of contribution research than by asking non-personal questions. If you have specific questions about me - why I chose to !vote one way or another, my editing style, etc. - I would be more than happy to answer. As Gwynand pointed out, however, you asked six open-ended questions that in order to properly address and give reasonable, thought-out answers, I would have to spend several hours. One could comment on the "politeness" of asking so many questions, with no explanation as to the concerns driving them, and then demanding answers. I feel this is unfair to me.


 * Again, absolutely nothing personal and no disrespect intended whatsoever. I am merely explaining why I have not addressed your questions. Also, if you do have legitimate concerns regarding my viewpoints, style, or knowledge, by all means ask away and I will address ASAP. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  19:51, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for the explanation. I think that answering RFA questions is useful for the people who are not well familiar with the candidate since it does take a long time to look through the contribution history, diffs etc (which still has to be done, of course, to a certain degree anyway, but still...). The reason I asked my open-ended questions is not to get the "right" answer (in most complicated situations there is not really a unique "right" answer) but to see that a candidate for an adminship will be able to make a reasonably quick but also well-reasoned decision when faced with real-life less-than-straightforward cases. For people who know you well this may not be necessary, but for the rest of us it would have been useful. I don't really have serious concerns in your case and I was basically looking for a confirmation of what the other support voters have said. Actually, I am slightly concerned about the civility issues discussion in your RFA, but certainly not enough to transform into an oppose vote. What you say about POV pushers crying "incivility" when they are brought to task for POV pushing is certainly true. However, civility is still a basic and important value of WP community and I would have been happier if I had seen some specific instances where you admonished some editor for incivility in any kind of context, AFD, talk page, RFA or whatever. I had been a WP editor for much shorter period of time than you and I have already seen a fair share of genuinely incivil comments. I am sure that the same is true for you.
 * I don't think I'll vote in your RFA, although it is clear now that it will succeed, as I am glad to see. I congratulate you on the imminent approval of your adminship and wish you good luck in your new admin role on Wikipedia. Regards, Nsk92 (talk) 07:13, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Good News
I am sure you, and others, will be happy to see this.  Red4tribe (talk) 18:04, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

congrats
Let me be the first to congratulate you on the success of your RfA. All the best, <font face="Verdana"><font color="Blue">Vishnava <font color="Red"> talk  18:34, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Vish! I look forward to more RfA discussion with you ;-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  18:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Hot damn.
. Control F5 my friend, Control F5....<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:34, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Dafoh
I have nominated this article for deletion as you suggested. However, it does appear that it was speedied before as DAFOH. Cheers!  TN ‑ X - Man  20:33, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm keeping an eye. One good thing about taking it to AfD is that if there's a consensus (especially a strong one) to delete, then we won't have to keep seeing this and can just delete as G4. Definitely no comment on you by my speedy decline, just being careful :-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  20:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, no problem. Thanks for the assist. Cheers!  TN ‑ X - Man  20:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

X Is Loaded
Hi. I'm curious about your edit comment, ''speedy declined, page has significant history. ''. I don't see anything in WP:CSD about how long the edit history may be. I suppose you could make a reasonable argument that this fails A7 because it asserts notability, and that might be a valid reason to decline the speedy, but length of edit history itself doesn't seem valid. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:04, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Just a note, but multiple references (as we have here) pretty much says A7 will not apply - valid references can be taken as an assertion of notability even if the main body text doesn't contain one. Pedro : Chat  23:12, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

The Concordia College Band
My name is Nathan Larsen. I'm a Senior at Concordia College, and am the President of The Concordia College Band. I am writing in response to your recent deletion of the page about The Band. I simply intended to post a page about The Band to help inform people about some of The Band's history and its current happenings. I guess I would just like an explanation why it was deleted, especially when other music ensembles, namely The Concordia Choir, are allowed to enjoy a full page on Wikipedia. Thank you.

Nllarsen (talk) 04:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The problem here, Nathan, is notability. Reading the The Concordia Choir page, it's a little like comparing apples to uranium. Wikipedia isn't a place to promote your band, or "inform people" about the history. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and we have to draw a line of notability somewhere. If you read WP:N and WP:BAND, and explain to me how it meets these requirements, I would be more than happy to reconsider this deletion. I have absolutely nothing against your particular article; I am merely upholding established Wikipedia policy. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  04:18, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

You are now an administrator
Congratulations, I have just closed your RfA as successful and made you an administrator. Take a look at the administrators' how-to guide and the administrators' reading list if you haven't read those already. Also, the practice exercises at the new admin school may be useful. If you have any questions, get in touch on my talk page. WjBscribe 18:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Congratulations. ;) Check out the tips for new administrators I have here, if you have the time. Regards, <font color="#2A8B31">Anthøny 18:36, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks scribe, AGK. I'll make ya proud! <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  18:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Excellent, congrats. :D Well deserved. Good luck! PeterSymonds (talk)  19:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Gratz Tan, nice job setting an example to others and proving than you don't always need to answer the deluge of questions to be successful. =) xenocidic (talk) 19:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks guys. Xeno, I agree - I really was sort of proving a point there. Glad it didn't bite me in the ass. Speaking of getting bit in the arse, I just made three CSD deletions, let's see if I get my first "why?" message. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  19:23, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to make one of these in your own userspace, giving credit to the creator of it of course, User:Jonny-mt. Since adding the WAIT! on top of my talkpage, I rarely if ever get poked at for my speedy deletes. Very refreshing... <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  19:26, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Isn't this fun??? Ready to give the buttons back yet? :-)  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's very interesting. I don't think I'll fuck up too badly. My intent in using the tools right now isn't for the sake of using them; it's more to see how people respond - not only to using the buttons, but not using the buttons (declining speedys, etc). Anyway, I appreciate you stepping in on that G11 - feel free to keep an eye on me as long as you want ;-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  20:41, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think so either. Congratulations (I mean that). Let me know if I can be of assistance. Toddst1 (talk) 21:02, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Toddst1. It's all good; there always has to be someone leading the opposition. You kept it interesting for me. See you around! <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  21:07, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Per your above Tan, you'll find you tend to spend a lot of time declining speedies. And well done my man - best wishes. Pedro : Chat  21:28, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Pedro. I really appreciate your support and advice over the past six months. I'm not doing the RfA thank spam. Think anyone will take offense? ;-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  22:00, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope! Shove a message on your user page for 24 hours. No big deal remember?! Oh, and e-mail me for the handy hints to get through the block on deleting the main page ...... :) Pedro : Chat  22:25, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Congratulations. I'm sorry I didn't review the RfA to see you had responded to my Neutral, but it appears moot anyhow. I am glad that my concerns were not sufficient to dissuade the majority of the participating community. LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:07, 11 June 2008 (UTC) ps. Welcome to the club (just don't swing it too vigorously at first!)

Admin dashboard
Hey Tan, feel free to test drive my administrative dashboard. Either copy it, or transclude it. Let me know if you think of any ways to improve it. As for the thank spam, you could always just leave a general thank-you on the talk page of your RFA, or at WT:RFA as someone did a week or so ago. xenocidic (talk) 15:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well done! I wish you well in the new job. Rudget   (Help?) 15:39, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Kudos.--Ecoleetage (talk) 16:22, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Talk pages
Heh, yeah, I did that. It'll come naturally. :) Doing a great job so far! Best, PeterSymonds (talk)  15:51, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Deleting My Articles
Hmm, Hey. I was writing two articles, one named Transformer Search Engine and the other one is for tirgumit. After reading the intro to your page I realized I was doing a commercial to the search engine and to the translation software. I wish to edit those pages and not start from scratch, and there for, a little story, Dr. Seuss style: Once apon a time in a far far away land there was a little boy who wished for a dividend. His boss always told him: "work hard. get your work done" but as for that dividend - he said none. So the boy work hard, he became a man, even his boss is now a fan. "Oh, you're so good" the boss always said "but as for that dividend, what are you mad?!" So after lots of pondering and thinking and wondering and sitting and hoping and wishing I had an idea all mighty it was like my head glowed with something light(y) "I should add our softwares in Wikipedia" (and everyone knows it's the number one encyclopedia) And so the story goes on to your hands, Mr. Tan, please help me to be a man (with dividends)

Thanks, and Sorry for all the trouble, I'm kinda new around here, Elad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elad1010 (talk • contribs) 16:40, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Ha! Thanks for understanding. Let me know if you need any help. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  16:42, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Your CSD sub-page
Hi. Would you mind if I take it over to a sub-page of mine, for use too? Of course giving you credit. Arienh4(Talk) 17:37, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, although it isn't mine - the credit is at the bottom of the existing page. Have at it! <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  17:40, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Professor Sa'ad Medhat
You declined to speedily delete the above -- if that does not constitute blatant advertising for the man and his foundation, what does? Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 17:56, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, I declined the speedy. While I agree the article has massive COI and POV issues, it appeared to me that there was a chance the man was notable enough for inclusion. Probably not likely, but I thought it prudent to send to AfD, which it has been. I suggest you chime in there. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  17:58, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

*crash*
We e/ced here when I went to delete it for the second time ;) You on NPP? It was on my watchlist.
 * Ha, I ec'd with YOU the first time you deleted it, then watchlisted it. I salted it for two weeks. Sign your posts ;-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  18:39, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah some people truly don't get it. I had fun playing whack a mole earlier with User:IconoplastDesignsInc.'s spam. *Smacks*  we don't need no stinkin' sigs :-p TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 18:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, how cute, two of my little admin babies.....tee hee! Glad you two are having fun!  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:59, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ha! Yer just jealous we're posting somewhere other than your talk page. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  19:01, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Nuh-uh. *sniff*.... <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  19:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Your talk exploded earlier -- or yesterday -- I hit refresh on my watchlist and it went splodey. Admin babies... Admin patch kids? :) TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 19:08, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * My talkpage takes forever to load in my archaic work PC, I'm gonna make my archiver work faster. For. Ever.  I usually just hit diff in my watchlist to read something...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  19:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Before I got my new toy at home, I couldn't read yours or DGG's talkpages from home. Now life is good. I still need to put my watchlist on a diet. DGG warned me it would explode, I didn't realize how quickly. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 19:20, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

<- heh, yeah. I used to watchlist everything I did admin related. Every CSD, every AFD close, every article that I closed as "keep". All gone, none watched. I figure, if someone has a problem, they'll find me, I don't need to watch the article/redlink. <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  19:40, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Mine stemmed more from the backlog, that and the preference to watchlist every page I touched in any way. Now once they appear on my watchlist I unwatch. The world won't end if I miss something o there. My orange bar fear of 'oh crap did I do something wrong?' is passing too. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 19:58, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm hoping Tan is enjoying all the orange bars, without getting a word in edgewise....welcome to my world! <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:07, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * admit it, you miss us when it's quiet. :) TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 20:37, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Have you seen my talkpage today? Good grief, anything but quiet...although, I will say that now that I was successful in forcing the community to grant you both admin buttons, I've served my purpose and fully expect that you'll shun me :-).  Get ready, both of you.  Your archives, your talkpages, and your wiki-life (if you choose to use the buttons, which it looks like you both are doing frequently) are about to get busier.  Fair warning.  Content contribs?  What are those? :-)  BTW, I'm actually looking forward to when one of you or the other "passes on" what I did, which is push you towards adminship.  I can't wait to see who you nominate!  Always be looking, there are some fantastic editors out there that deserve the toolbelt and will use it wisely and for the betterment of Wikipedia.  When you've got one on the hook, write a nom!  Go to WP:RFA/NOM for instructions, couldn't be easier... <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Nah won't be shunning. There's far too much baseball season left ;) Glad to see others contributing to the Keeper-pedia. I haven't ended up with half the questions on my talk page that others do. I'm sure they'll happen when I start closing more AfDs. Right now my admin work is CSDs. Still keeping up some content work, see this from this morning. I'm a geek, can't help it ;) I have one on the hook, will likely end up being a co-nom when/if he finally accepts. And yes.... it stemmed back from when you/Rudget first brought it up with me. Will probably be some time from now. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 20:58, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I really don't have anything else to say. I just want Tan to have another orange bar. <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  22:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry! I was flying home from Dallas, so I just got them all at once. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  00:22, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * crash redux* here. You in my time zone? There will apparently be no backlog tonight. Imagine if you, Gwen Gale and I were at it at once, we'd e/c more than on Keeper's page! TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 02:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ha, hi Tcari. I live in Phoenix, so for half the year - yes ;-) I know, I was just thinking I need to venture into AfDs or something. Or edit late at night. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  02:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I haven't closed too many AfDs. I've gone through the motions of closing some, planning out my close and doing all but the close to then see how it does close. Late at night is fun -- quieter, tame watch list keeps me focused. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 02:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Harley Young
Hi there. I'm working at WP:NPP. Did a ghits search on this Major League baseball player. Found some solid references like this and this. I did some copyediting to the article, but before I could save that, it was deleted. Would you reconsider? --Rosiestep (talk) 18:40, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey Rosiestep. If I were you, I'd just start over - there was seriously nothing worth saving on the version I deleted. Let me know if you really want the two poorly written sentences that existed... <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  18:44, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Late support
Hi Tanthalas39, I realize that I never actually got around to supporting your recent successful RfA. Well, I'm sorry that I didn't actually vote in the RfA, but consider this message a late support from me! :) Good luck. Acalamari 02:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd be concerned had I failed with, say, 73% ;-) No worries - I appreciate the vote of confidence. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  02:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Acalamari 02:33, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Bio Jonathan Yaniv
There are so many people with Bio's on here that are as important and me, and there articles have not been deleted.

It is only fair that if you delete mine, you should delete theirs as well.

Or let me have mine.


 * Hi there. Read WP:N and WP:BIO, and get back to me. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  02:37, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Oops
Sorry... I'll try to use the right tags in the future. Kivar2 (talk) 02:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Kalamazoo Kingdom
Hi Tanthalas - I'm hoping you're the person who can help me... I noticed you deleted the bio for Mike Guilliatt - thank you. Is there any chance you could do the same thing for every other member of the Kalamazoo Outrage soccer team roster EXCEPT Terry Alvino? Someone added a whole load of circular redirects to that team, which makes keeping track of the players impossible, and I've been trying to solicit the help of an admin to rectify the situation. Can you help? Is there some formal process I need to go through, or can you just do it? Thanks. --JonBroxton (talk) 03:10, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * There ya go. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  03:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Outstanding! Thank you. --JonBroxton (talk) 03:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Amman Baccalaureate School
Found some copyvio'ed material at Amman Baccalaureate School. Found the copyright material with these edits:. Should the edits be deleted? - Warthog Demon  03:17, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The edits, or the whole page? Is the whole page a copyvio? If so, mark it with the appropriate CSD tag. If it's just part, feel free to excise it yourself... <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  03:35, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I did but just discovered I could revert the edits. Wasn't sure if the edits themselves needed to be deleted, though. Thanks. :) - Warthog Demon  03:46, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Mike Tranghese
Could you please restore Mike Tranghese? I didn't create the article, and I recognize that it was only a stub. The link to Big East Conference was spelled incorrectly, which is why it appeared as a redlink. Several references in reliable sources can be found at this Google News search. --Eastmain (talk) 03:46, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  03:49, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Peter Nordbeck deletion
Hi, Tan, it is Bruce Cherner from Bruce Cherner Antique Silver in Acton, MA here. In the course of researching an extraordinary object by Nordbeck, I noticed that Wikipedia lacked an entry on him and decided to take a few minutes and post one. As mentioned in my article, he was the most talented of the Halifax silversmiths working during that time period. My sources are Langford "Canadian Silversmiths and Their Marks"; also http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0007397 among others.

If you'd be so kind as to restore this post, I'm sure that it would add to the overall quality of Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.174.48.138 (talk) 15:38, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Restored temporarily pending article fixes and most importantly, proper assertation of notability. Please read WP:BIO and WP:V. Happy editing - <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  15:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Broken Frontier deletion
Hi there. Would it be possible to learn more about the basis for deleting the broken frontier article? I personally thought it contained enough notability to forestall a blink and you miss it deletion.

The site hosts the blogs of several relatively small, though notable comics publishers. It has been bought and sold, and it hosts hundreds of interview with major comics professionals, who presumably would find the site notable enough within the industry to volunteer their time.

Is there anything specific that you are looking for? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keysturns (talk • contribs) 16:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi there Keysturns. Wikipedia is not an internet guide. You might want to read WP:WEB, that should clearly show that this site doesn't nearly qualify for inclusion. The reason it was speedy deleted is that the article, as written, didn't even make an assertation of notability according to WP:WEB. Let me know if you have further questions. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  16:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Clear span structures
The article had been speedy deleted twice as blatant advertising in the same form as it is now. You declined the speedy, but didn't provide any explanation in the edit summary. Would you care to explain? <font style="color:darkorange;">BradV  17:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure. I don't think it meets speedy criteria. The subject might be notable, and the advertising parts can be removed. Feel free to take to AfD or forum-shop around for another admin who agrees with you. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  18:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation. I hope the recommendation to forum-shop for another admin was made tongue-in-cheek. ;) <font style="color:darkorange;">BradV  18:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Eh, yeah, it was. What it meant was, "I don't think it should be deleted, but don't care if someone else does" :-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  18:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Gwen already pwnd the article. P.S. Tan you might want to familiarize yourself with the AIV commenting template for easy AIV work. xenocidic (talk) 18:11, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw (and anticipated) that Gwen did - she's much more, uh, "frank" than I will probably ever be. Anyways, yeah, I haven't learned all the shortcuts yet - thanks ;-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  18:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Sticky & Sweet Tour
I was getting ready to fill out a RFPP, thanks a ton!!!! Now, you did go through and check first to make sure that its not a protected vandalous page didn't you? <font face="Ravie"><font color="#ff0000">D <font color="#ff6600">u <font color="#009900">s <font color="#0000ff">t <font color="#6600cc">i complain/compliment 18:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Someone beat you to the RPP, that's why I protected. I'm confused about your second statement - "a protected vandalous page"? Vandalized? It wasn't already protected, if that's what you meant. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  18:34, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What I mean, is did you go through and clean out the vandalism? I'm not familiar with the tour, so I'm not sure what is vandalism and what isn't. <font face="Ravie"><font color="#ff0000">D <font color="#ff6600">u <font color="#009900">s <font color="#0000ff">t <font color="#6600cc">i complain/compliment 18:52, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I didn't. It's just semi-protected, so whoever is interested in the article can do that... <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  18:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Wicked Bible
Hi! Could I ask you to read the article and check it carefully, paying attention to the language? I haven't been speaking in English for a long time. Thanks in advance, Timpul my talk 19:27, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

AIV re 80.194.x.x
I went counter to your comment there, because this is a complex vandal that was explained to me yesterday. I declined it yesterday as well. xenocidic (talk) 19:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I'll assume you know what you're doing, there. Thanks for stepping in. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  19:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Np. P.S. you still need to tildefy the template. xenocidic (talk) 19:46, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Good god, I'm the FNG around here, aren't I :-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  19:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, you'll get over it. ;> xenocidic (talk) 19:51, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Our conversation spurned a random improvement to a disambiguation page. =) xenocidic (talk) 20:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ha, very nice. I should listen to that album. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  20:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Impromtu Wikipedia Deletion
Hi Tan,

We are new to the wikipedia scene...or constructing any forms of web-based sites to begin with so pleae bear with us. Today you deleted a page, entitled Heartland International, claiming it was blatant advertising. We are a local nonprofit organization in Chicago and looking to increase awareness and support of our organization's cause. We are also looking to create an informative page on wikipedia as many of our fellow nonprofits already have. We are still in the middle of teaching ourselves the logistics of wikipedia and how to properly format the information in the article. We would appreciate if you could reinstate our page so as we may have the time needed to complete it properly.

Thank you very much. All the Best with your future work.

-HeartlandIntl HeartlandIntl (talk) 21:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi there. Right in your statement above is a mistake - "looking to increase awareness and support". Pretty much the de facto definition of advertising - see WP:ORG and WP:SPAM. Also, the fact that you are involved with the site creates a conflict of interest that is a rather huge strike against an article about your organization. This is an encyclopedia, not a directory or the yellow pages. However, I'll place a copy of your article in your userspace, so you can access it and/or edit it. You can find it here. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  21:22, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:Gary RfA
Yeah, he's probably ready now, but his last RfA closed in April, and I want a nice three month span between the two in order to deflect all the "OMG, power hunger" !votes that a two month period would. Naturally, it's up to him whether he wants to go through with it (seeing as you need nerves of steel to stand the hell it's become now), and if he wants to go now, I'll nominate him, although I'll state to him that I would prefer a month. That said, he has improved quite a bit, so it may be a non-factor. Thoughts? <font face="Verdana"> Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 21:26, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes, I remember that RfA now. Shoot, I think you're right to wait a bit - considering the (majority of) opposes weren't for lack of experience, but "sloppiness" and things of that nature. A lot of editors will see that he's improved - but, like you said, RfA is hell and he's going to get opposition no matter what if he doesn't have a perfect history. I'm sure he's "ready" now; you just have to play the timing game now :-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  21:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * If I ever run again, I'd prefer it if I could get some new criticism from those who opposed my last RFA and if they think I have improved, then I'd like them to co-nom a future RFA. Gary <b style="color:#02b;"><i style="font-size:large;">K</i>ing</b> ( talk ) 21:36, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably a good idea. Sorry to have this conversation "behind your back", Gary, I just figured you'd have Seph's talk page watchlisted and would find it yourself... anyway, you'll certainly have my support when you run. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  21:38, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Maybe a year or two is good padding before running again :) Also, I'm not quite sure how I should go about "asking" for co-nominations. I think I will just wait until people offer to do so; beyond that, I will just continue to do what I'm doing already. Gary <b style="color:#02b;"><i style="font-size:large;">K</i>ing</b> ( talk ) 21:39, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, if you need one, I'd be happy to. I'd have to go through your edits a lot more than I have, but I'm sure I'd still strongly support... I know you want one from a past opposer, I'm jussayin'. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  21:44, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Anyways, instead of putting myself through RFA again in the near future, I will probably continue to submit requests through venues such as WP:AIV, WP:RPP, and WP:CSD. I only do so every once in a while, so there is no urgent need for any tools. Gary <b style="color:#02b;"><i style="font-size:large;">K</i>ing</b> ( talk ) 21:55, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, yeah. Whether or not it's the attitude you actually have, it's certainly the attitude you are supposed to have before an RfA. God forbid you actually aspire to be something. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  21:57, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Heh, yeah. I've found my niche at WP:FTC, WP:FAC, and WP:FLC and help out there when I can by improving articles, submitting nominations, and commenting on nominations. I think I've commented on every nomination at each process since late May... Gary <b style="color:#02b;"><i style="font-size:large;">K</i>ing</b> ( talk ) 22:00, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Because this page is on my watchlist, let me just say that I'm very impressed Gary with your attitude about adminship, and I will say that I am also looking forward to your next RfA, whenever that may be. Cheers, <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  22:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Now that I think about it, if I were ever to become an administrator, I would focus my energy more on content and templates rather than WP:RPP and WP:AIV (which I think is where I spend most of my time when considering admin-related areas). Of course, I would still be at those places, but I would primarily focus on content, like edit protected requests, for fairly obvious reasons—because I love article building. I would probably also work on templates (many which are fully protected) because I think I can help out there since I'm a web developer (self-employed, too :) ). I've made a few hundred edits to templates before but it gets annoying when I need to submit an edit protected request for templates that are fully protected and all I want to add is a space where one should be, etc., especially for citation templates, which are pretty much where templates and articles meet. Gary <b style="color:#02b;"><i style="font-size:large;">K</i>ing</b> ( talk ) 22:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, Keeper, I think I've improved mostly because I hang around more and observe how processes work around here. Hopefully one of my biggest critics, User:SandyGeorgia, agrees at least that I've gotten better at doing things :) Gary <b style="color:#02b;"><i style="font-size:large;">K</i>ing</b> ( talk ) 22:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: RPP
Yeah - I keep forgetting to check the dates on the create-protection requests. I noticed the dates as soon as I clicked "Submit query" - Apologies. I was about to remove the other one, but noticed you had already declined it. « <font color="#9696A0" face="Cambria">Milk's Favorite <font color="#4D0100" face="Snap ITC">Cøøkie  00:34, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool, no problem. Just wondering if it was something I was missing :-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  00:37, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: WP:AIV
I was not sure if the user intentionally deleted the warnings...I sincerely apologize for the confusion. I am still learning the ropes. Willking1979 (talk) 00:50, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No, no, I apologized to YOU on your talk page. Your method of just substituting into the template confused me and the username looked like YOUR vandalism. Carry on, and I should stop for the day ;-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  00:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Apology accepted. I was typing my reply to your original message when your apology came in. Willking1979 (talk) 00:54, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Tabitha,

I will edit the page you deleted but you should know (1) I was not finished (2) it was ment to be a link from the page where he is listed (3) Raymond J. Saulnier was Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisors to President Dwight Eisenhower.

Peter 68.36.190.225 (talk) 00:57, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Your warning on my talk page
Please refactor your warning on my talk page. I did not delete page contents with no explanation. I had explained everything in the edit summary as well as the talk page here. You've basically been tricked by a revert warrior who was blocked for 3RR on multiple pages including that page. Please stick to dealing with genuine vandalism on WP:AIV. The vandalism report that user:Gulmammad filed is completely bogus. He's claiming that adding tags is vandalism and making edits that were discussed in talk or the edit summary is vandalism. Thanks in advance. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 03:09, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You might want to check out his recent edits at that very same article he is removing tags without discussion. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 03:17, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied at users talk page. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  03:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

(unindent) Thanks for removing your warning. In response to your concerns of edit warring, I was not edit warring. user:Seraphimblade made the same mistake that you have made. user:Gulmammad was simply reverting my edits and Seraphim tarred us with the same brush. Please see the discussion here at least one admin agrees that I was not revert warring, and Gulmammad received a block for revert warring. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 03:45, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This is the reply to above comments, first " removing tags without discussion ". What was your explanation when you added those tags to the article which had 10 sources -- almost for each sentences one source? I added 3 more sources and removed tags with edit summary. Then what is wrong in that? And also, this link shows that you have been blocked once on edit warring and unblocked with the following reason: Editor promises to stay away from disputed article(s). You ought to stay in your promise. And, yesterday you weren't reported for only adding tags but manly for your 8 reverts that you did within 19 minutes, see the report. Finally I want to show that you are absolutely giving incorrect information; Seraphimblade hasn't done any mistake and warned you for the following edits/reverts to the article Sheylanli:, , , and <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="5" color="#009900">Gülməmməd  <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="4" color="#999900">Talk 05:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

User talk:71.164.54.219
Looks like you should protect the talk page of the IP you just blocked. Kww (talk) 03:26, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Good call, thanks. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  03:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

What are you qualified in?
I see you issuing threats to contributors of Wikipedia - it seems you are some sort of administrator - may I respectfully enquire what qualifies you to monitor contributions, and how did you get this job. You and others like you at Wikipedia remain anonymous, no one seems to know exactly what fields you people are qualified in, yet you reign supreme. This is why I use Wikipedia as a second line of information because there is absolutely no information on its contributors.

Do you care to comment? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrwboyd (talk • contribs) 04:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure, I'll comment. The Wikipedia community found it proper to promote me to an administrator position. I was endowed with this responsibility by having a thorough knowledge of Wikipedia policy and having proven my high level of responsibility.


 * Your contribution here, and others like it, are exactly why others also use Wikipedia as a "second line of information". You are adding your own opinion, your own point of view. This is against Wikipedia policy. Can you image if everyone did this? Wikipedia would devolve in a matter of days to complete rubbish. The editors that contribute to Wikipedia are not (by policy) supposed to add their own knowledge or experience. The basis of Wikipedia is not truth, it is verifiability (see WP:V). All additions must be cited by reliable, third-party sources - major publications, historians, respected and published scientists, etc. Therefore, you don't need to know who "we" are - we're just, in theory, adding information that has already been vetted.


 * Of course, it doesn't always work out this way, and people add uncited trash and their own opinions all the time. We call this a policy violation at best, and vandalism at worst. I am one of the editors who spends a lot of time making sure that Wikipedia policy is upheld.


 * I hope this helps. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  05:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Utterly ridiculous.
An Editor is required to have some knowledge of the subject matter he edits, otherwise he will be unable to edit or monitor in a proper manner. Wikipedia, therefore, employs the services of individuals with unverifiable qualifications, resulting in information that cannot be taken seriously because of its dubious origins from unknown persons without properly accredited qualifications. If one seeks a job as a history teacher, one is required to provide proof of one's training in history; it is as simple as that. You also mentioned truth versus verification - you obviously have little understanding of the terms; that which is verifiable is often considered the truth, although there is much in the Holy Bible which remains unverified yet is considered the truth by Christians. Are you saying that Wikipedia will not accept articles on Jesus Christ? After all much of his life is not historically verifiable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrwboyd (talk • contribs) 05:30, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If you cannot understand the fundamental policies of Wikipedia, then I suggest you move on elsewhere. You will not be permitted to assert your opinions here on Wikipedia. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  05:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
At Indonesia - phew! SatuSuro 15:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Gabriel Murphy Article Protection
I see that you protected the "Gabriel Murphy" article, but before reverting back to a redirect. I am not sure if you are aware, but this article was recently underwent a deletion review (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review). The vote was 4 to 3 in favor of overturning the article versus endorsing the redirect. Since that time the article has consistently been redirected to aplus.net despite the deletion review. I thought I would bring this to your attention as I think the deletion review establishes that the article should stand on its own. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.76.132.152 (talk) 03:22, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * DRV discussions are not votes. The DRV was closed as endorsing the AfD, which I stated in my RPP action. Its clear you have a vested interest in this man and keeping the article alive; consider this a formal warning to knock off the disruptive edits, canvassing, and other bullshit. Also, put talk page messages at the end, where they're supposed to go. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  04:51, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Rufus Griscom
Howdy, Articles for deletion/Rufus Griscom appears to lean towards delete right now. I think one or two sentences added to the article would make the keep arguments the clear consensus. For me the basic problem is the lack of an assertion of notability. The lead does not establish enough context to understand why this person is notable. As such, I theoretically agree with the comment that this article meets the CSD. However, your keep comment indicates that some research shows the person is notable. I think your vote would be the end of it if the article was improved enough to have it no longer qualify for speedy deletion. As I commented on the AfD though, I have no idea what his claim to notability is, and I suspect that is also the main reason others have voted delete.

I realize neither you nor I have any particular reason to keep the article, but I think a quick edit from you clearly stating why he is notable would close the afd as keep. JackSchmidt (talk) 17:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Charles Somerset, 1st Earl of Worcester
I encourage you to take a look at the article now, I ensure you, I have corrected my mistakes, and there is NOTHING wrong with the article now. :) Rbkl (talk) 18:55, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, because User:DCEdwards1966 cleaned up your mess. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  18:57, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

167.80.244.204
Hello again this is Holtville or as you call me Holt. You did not give me enough time to respond to your question so here is the answer. In the last sentence I meant that if you give someone a FINAL WARNING that means if they do it again then they will be blocked. But, if you give them a final warning after final warning then they will think you are not living up to your word. So they think by you doing this they can keep vandalizing pages and no one can stop them. By the way, there was a level 4 warning and it was given in the January 2008 part of 167.80.244.204's talk page. Holtville (talk) 20:30, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * They hadn't had a recent final warning, Holt. IP addresses change users - they could be at schools, libraries - even people's home computers change IP addresses sometimes. Therefore, any warning given back in January was almost assuredly not the same user making the edits today. The only warning the person today saw was a level 2 warning. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  20:42, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

RE:Explain

 * Oh shit. I was meaning to report the user whose talk page it was.  Don't block me!  Shapiros10 Wuz Here    20:51, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I just haven't used huggle in a while (I just got the rollback required for the newest version).  I heard of a guy who got one bad Huggle edit, and it was removed, and he was threatened with a block.  Shapiros10 Wuz Here    20:53, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Whoops!
My Apologies. I had thought that he had been given a final warning. I'll be more careful in the future. Cheers, Perfect Proposal  <sup style="color:orange;">Speak Out!  21:17, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Dashboard
After I made a bit of an enhancement to the dashboard (a rollback request section that will appear when there are outstanding requests) I noticed you were using the dashboard in the exact same format as me, so rather than add the enhancement manually, I just changed your dash to a direct transclusion. one, so you can benefit from future enhancements, two, because I need a guinea pig to test if it works well when transcluded directly. Feel free to revert, but let me know how it works in the transcluded form if you don't mind. thanks! xenocidic (talk) 22:01, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Word up holmes - <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  22:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou
Thank you for semi-protecting The Sims 3 Electrical <sup style="color:gold;background:Black">Vandilize Me  16:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Ha! Funnynez.
Dont fret, I will be keeping mah eyez on User:Loglez888. Oh, and cute pun. ;)  Qb  | your 2 cents  17:51, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Dispute resolution at Sheylanli
Tan, I have started a discussion at the reliable sources noticeboard in order to resolve the dispute over reliable sources at the article Sheylanli. I have placed a tag at this article in order to attract the reader to this discussion and get a broader input. I believe the tag is important. In the past, user:Gulmammad has reverted all tags in this article no matter how reasonable they were. I ask that you use your admin judgement in terms of this tag and prevent a good faith attempt of dispute resolution from failing due to the reverting of this tag. Let me know if you need anything from me. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 21:12, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I gave explanation for all of your recent actions here. Regarding tags that you claims removed by Gulmammad, here is the warning for your edits

,, , and where the last one shows that you added mentioned tags. As I told before, please do some useful edits instead of wasting your time on attacking articles. I observe that attacking articles (that you personally don't like) in different ways apparently has become your hobby in recent days as immediate one could be this to mention -- declined by 12; supported by  one. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="4" color="#009900">Gülməmməd <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="2" color="#999900">Talk 22:50, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Valley of Screams
The Valley of Screams is a fictional setting in the Bleach anime universe. I redirected the word with or without uppercase, and with or without 'the' preceding it. It was consistant as to whether or not it is upper or lower case because it has never been officially translated that I am aware of, since the movie is still so new in Japan. Why do redirects need to be deleted when the amount of space they take up is so little? Tyciol (talk) 13:58, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Rising Star
Hi, don't forget to check the history first before speedy deleting an article. See Rising Star. Garion96 (talk) 20:27, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk page. I did check the history - and still missed it. Thanks for the catch. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  18:59, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

IP
Since when is one year indefinitely? :P I'm impressed. That IP must've either been checking every day, or had it marked off on a calendar when the one year block expired. First time I've ever seen vandalism directly off a one year block!  Enigma  message 13:51, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I only blocked for (another) year. Messed up the warning - changed it. If there was an IP that deserved an indef block, however, this one would be it - yer totally right, it was almost to the minute off the block! <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  13:52, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * geez, wow, I just saw the block log. It doesn't even include all the old blocks (note Clown's comment about 20+ prior blocks). Hardly any of the blocks had much time between them. Craziest IP ever. Maybe kids use that school IP every day trying to vandalize Wikipedia. Maybe they have a competition going.  Enigma  message 13:56, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Afd of Oak Bay Police Department
Good point - I was trying to be too tactful, and have refactored my comments appropriately Fritzpoll (talk) 21:20, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hahaha, I saw it and laughed. Actually, I should probably be more tactful in that AfD, but that sort of "utterly absurd", "moreover", policy-twisting or completely policy-ignoring bullshit annoys me. I need to back off :-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  21:21, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * yes - I think I was so dumbfounded at he idea that a report on the police department by its governing body could be considered an independent source that I just decided to play it softly! Fritzpoll (talk) 21:24, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * There are a couple who I go round and round with on PD type AfDs. Some go totally under the raadar, some get a full war of "but it exists" 1111!!!!!1111 eleventy eleventy. Of course I still bring them to AfD so I must be a sucker for punishment. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 22:11, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Have you had a stab at giving them a long, detailed explanation (with quotations from policy/guidelines) on their talkpages? I'm sure that would probably make them see their mistake... Fritzpoll (talk) 22:13, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Exit2Dos2000 and Le Grand Roi... While the Pumpkin Man and I have come to agree to disagree, Exit was one of the first users I met at this AfD. At times I find Kurt's "It exists" easier to handle because he doesn't keep coming back, he lets it go. I didn't expect this one to get so interesting. It's right up there with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hema Sinha (2nd nomination)|this one]] that also made my head spin. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 22:31, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Does anyone else Find that Random capitalization in AfD arguments really cuts the Legs off the Credibility? <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  22:33, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * YoU mEan tHat sPelLing mY reASons LiKE thiS doesN'T heLP? Ugh that took far too long to type TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 22:45, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Not seen those two at this debate. Yes, random capitalisation is off-putting - so difficult to read! Fritzpoll (talk) 23:01, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

(outdent for the sake of my eyes) I feel bad for the closer there. I just want it to be put out of its misery. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 16:17, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought the same thing this morning... <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  16:18, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The IP is a nice chap, though - I'm having a very civilised discussion with him on my talkpage. Still, I wish the AfD would close soon - it is giving me a headache.  I also like the way my Bot was used pre-AfD to justify the PROD removal :) Fritzpoll (talk) 16:44, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been watching that one. I've been refraining from commenting because, as evidenced in the actual AfD, I'm completely incapable of restraining my rage when it comes to strawman arguments. Something I need to work on. :-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  16:45, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Not that I thnk it has a snowball's chance in hell of staying out of DRV, but at least it's done! TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 18:11, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Jimblack
You declined blocking here when I reported this user to AIV, because of "no edits after final warning". This edit to my talk page came right after the final warning on his talk page. That's not good enough because the final warning was for vandalism? How many times do I have to give final warnings to this guy? This is why I rarely report to AIV. Admins there work like robots and it's so ineffective against accounts that aren't vandalism-only.--Atlan (talk) 05:32, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The account wasn't a vandalism-only account (barely, admittedly), and he had made two edits yesterday, several hours apart. It's not like this guy was harassing you nonstop. If you don't like my decision, I can completely live with that. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  13:39, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It was more a general rant about AIV than about you personally. I have no problems with you or your conduct whatsoever. About User:Jimblack, I know it's not a vandalism-only account, which is why I said AIV is so ineffective against accounts that aren't vandalism-only. No, Jimblack is not harassing me non-stop and I really can't be bothered with stupid talk page trolling anyway. You just have to take into account the entire history of the account, not the few edits of yesterday. I understand you can't do that with AIV reports though.--Atlan (talk) 16:08, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, we do our best at AIV. Remember that we're doing this on our own time and the paycheck really sucks. Perhaps you should become an admin and help out :-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  16:10, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I must have the oldest active non-admin account by now! Funny, considering they practically gave adminship away back in the early days. I've considered becoming one myself this past year. I've decided not to self-nominate though, at least not now. Happy editing, see you around!--Atlan (talk) 20:09, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 2002?!? Damn. I don't think I heard of Wikipedia until a year after that. Maybe two years. Want to know what's crazy? You have an awesome contrib history - but at 3000ish edits, you'd get opposed for - wait for it - lack of experience :-) I dunno, you might pass even with that, given the 2002 history. Let me know if you want a nom, I'll take a closer look and probably write one for ya, if you're interested. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  20:14, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll think about it! Yes, account number 3631, although I'm pretty sure about 3500 of those before me are long gone. I was a very infrequent editor and mostly a reader for the first few years, and a somewhat casual editor now, hence the low edit count (I refuse to patrol recent changes just for the appearance of a high edit count). I was here before there even were admins, so being opposed to become one for lack of experience would certainly bring a wry smile to my face! :-)--Atlan (talk) 20:43, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: User:1sneakers6
Is the WikiNazis part alright? You declined the speedy request. - Diligent Terrier (and friends) 17:32, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Did it attack you? Are you a WikiNazi? <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  17:35, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Indirectly, yes.  - Diligent Terrier  (and friends) 17:51, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Tan asked you two questions. Which one are you answering?  :-) <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:52, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, he said "stupid wikinazis" in that edit, and the page is being used to support that. It is not constructive - I think that's obvious.  Wikipedia is not a soapbox.  - Diligent Terrier  (and friends) 17:54, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It might not be the most constructive thing to have on his userpage, but it's not grounds to speedy his userpage. If you really take offense to it, take it to AN/I or something. I do recommend you not worry about it, tho, and focus on the content edits. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  18:00, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

suggestion
Hi. Could I suggest that you remove the final sentence of your comment here? In my observation, it's too easy for RfA discussion to be distracted by exchanges between editors, and I'm not sure that's necessary. Thanks. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 20:55, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Point taken, but with his reply, I can't really remove much now. I understand your concern - I've seen RfA's derailed before, too - and while I stop short of apologizing for the comment (which I wholeheartedly stand behind), I won't take it further. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  21:02, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * See also here. I understand where both of you are coming from, but am just trying to damp the fires.  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 21:04, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I will remove my comment if Tan removes his. I'm not asking for an apology on your part Tan, though it wasn't exactly nice either, and I suggest you "do a little reasearch next time." Don't you just love those Geico cavemen commercials? I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 21:07, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

(outdent:) It would be marvellous, and a great model for others, if you could both do that. Many thanks. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 21:09, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, and I'm even going to ignore EtoW's last digs there. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  21:10, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks so much. Very gracious, and I'm impressed with the both of you. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 21:12, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Could you let me edit The Happening (2008 film) ?
I'd like to edit this page, but it looks like you have "protected" it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexandrothegreat (talk • contribs) 16:31, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if Tan is online or not, but if you'd like to edit a protected page, you can make a request on the unprotected talkpage of the article, found here. Put on that talkpage what you'd like to add/remove from the article, and if reasonable, it will be done by an admin.  You can use the  tag to bring your request to admin's attention.  Cheers, hope this helps, <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  16:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Keep. Yep, this page was protected due to heavy vandalism, at the request of another user. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  17:10, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks I guess. Alexandrothegreat —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexandrothegreat (talk • contribs) 17:31, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note that once your account is 4 days old or so (and you are autoconfirmed), you will be able to edit semi-protected pages. xenocidic (talk) 17:34, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * And in other related good news, the protection expires in 2 days anyway. :-) <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:36, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, I've been editing for at least 4 days, and waiting all that time to fix up that article. Having to wait another two days isn't really good news when there are parts of the article that have been screwed up for so long already. Alexandrothegreat (talk) 17:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What would you like to see fixed? Post it here, or my talk, or your talk, or the article's talk page, and I'll fix it.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  17:46, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You also need a minimum of 10 edits, you've made 8. Go make two more edits somewhere (I think even your userspace, or this talk page will work) and you can edit the article. xenocidic (talk) 17:47, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Unprotected. Have at it! <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  17:48, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey Hey
Hey, I know diplomacy is not my metier, but I would ask that you please don’t lose respect for EditoroftheWiki or any person here on Wikipedia due to isolated commentary that you may find perplexing or exasperating. People say and do silly things, both in the online and offline environment, and in the ultimate scheme of things none of this is going to register. Let’s just try to have fun here and acknowledge that sometimes people make little mistakes. Just my two cents. :) Ecoleetage (talk) 18:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm not sure what your point was - "don't lose respect for EotW"? Too late, already gone. I have no patience for people who cry "incivility!" the moment things don't go their way. In this case, it was clear that his feelings were hurt, and he decided to take it out on her with an oppose. Silly. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  18:11, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh. Well, sorry for the intrusion.  Don't mind me -- I am just some dumb Portuguese guy who doesn't like to see people angry with each other. Ecoleetage (talk) 18:20, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * On your user page, in bold, is the sentence - "And if people are goofing up, encourage them in a positive way." I'll give this some thought. :-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  18:23, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Just so I don't further muck up the RfA, I'm posting this here, cuz I HAVE TO POST IT: "Notice how I voted weak oppose in that Karanacs refused to give me an apology for something that I took as incivility." This is why RfAs suck. Right here. This sort of thing. Un-fucking-believable. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  18:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Tan, I really think you should cool down. I'm not trying to gain your respect here, but you seem to be living off the drama of this RFA. Don't you have better things to do, like working on an article? Apologies are an important part of life, especially if you are looking for a job and completely mess up. I'd doubt you had any respect for me in the first place, considering you ill-reaserched comment that we removed. Please, there is better things to do. I lost a lot of respect for you, Tan, for beating the dead horse on this one. I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 19:04, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't "ill-reaserched" (SIC) anything, EotW. You're opposing a perfectly good candidate because you're petulant. Notice I'm not posting on your talk page; return the favor. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  19:06, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Warped comment Honestly, do you think that you two guys would be using this kind of verbiage if you were sitting face to face in a bar? Somehow, I doubt it. Please...just acknowledge that you two had a difference of opinion and move beyond it. I have too much respect for both of you to witness this type of exchange. Really, life is much too short to be wasted with bickering and animosity, either in a digital or a flesh-and-blood environment. Ecoleetage (talk) 19:35, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

random musing

 * dude, use an archive box! xenocidic (talk) 18:58, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * For what? This thread? <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  18:59, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Nah, I was just posting something random in the thread since you started talking to yourself. and I boldly archive boxified your page. xenocidic (talk) 19:00, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Thirsty?
Have at 'er Tan. If you want more, simply edit this page from 100px to 200px, and so on. The easiest and cheapest way to get more whiskey I presume...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  19:00, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and Xeno? Did you just say headerfy and boxerfied?  You need to have a little less whiskey...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  19:02, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You can -ify pretty much anything. 'scuse me while I drinkify that whiskey. xenocidic (talk) 19:04, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What ever floatifies your boat...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  19:05, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I honestly just now realized what the "archive box" thing was all about. Sheesh. I agree, looks much better. Thanks Xeno! <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  19:15, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol, no problem =). Maybe something about wikifaerying other's user talk pages should be added to the article. heh. xenocidic (talk) 19:28, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Speaking of beverages, I want some Mountain Dew, please... Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work 19:16, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and thanks for the drink, Keep, although for this issue, I need something along these lines.

<font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  19:19, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That, my friend, is a tasty picture. You sure 100 bottles are enough?  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  19:24, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello? I'm like dying of thirst here?  Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  19:25, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * restraint Keeper. restraint....  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  19:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Am I that annoying? I'm just trying to have some fun here!  Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  19:27, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I just did a GIS for "mountain dew", and with SafeSearch off, the ... fifth picture that comes up is, well, startling. And seriously not safe for work. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  19:27, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow. That's really, really gross.  And don't get mad at me for seeing that and not being 13 yet.  I X'd out of that tab immediately. And still thirsty!  I haven't had anything to drink since a milk that seemd out of date at lunch!  Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  19:29, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Thread looks jacked now. :)  Enigma  message 19:46, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * When's my Mountain Dew coming? Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  20:04, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This drinking party is for >21. So sowwy.  <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  20:06, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I thought that ordering a non-alcoholic beverage would make up for it.  But you guyses gotta get me a Mountain Dew on Friday!  When School gets out! Throw me a party at my talkpage!  Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  20:20, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

CSD Criterion
My apologies. What confuses me is thus; non-notable people, bands, companies and so on (so content which fails to fulfill notability guidelines) can be csd'd, but this article which also fails to fulfill notability guidelines (hence the tag) cant be? :S. <b style="color:#D3D3D3">Ir</b><b style="color:#A9A9A9">on</b><b style="color:#808080">ho</b><b style="color:#696969">ld</b><b style="color:#000">s</b> 19:57, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's confusing. And a complete gray area; other admins might have speedily deleted that article without a second thought. The concern here is assertation of notability - we can speedy garage bands that don't say why they're notable, but if the article has some sort of claim to notability, it should be taken to AfD if there are concerns. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  20:00, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey! Thanks for the help with 142.58.81.98! Katanada (talk) 20:43, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The kudos goes to you - you did the detective work! Keep up the vigilance - <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  20:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for semi-protecting my talk page! However, do you mind if you semi-protect my user page instead of my talk page? I know that my request was misleading because of the redirect, but I think having a semi-protected talk page might confuse new users who are genuinely trying to contribute positively and need to communicate with me. Gail (talk) 14:46, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops, done - <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  14:48, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks again :) And sorry about the confusion. Gail (talk) 15:00, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Test Cricketers
All test cricketers are notable because they played at the highest level of their sport. Why did you delete these articles? This is ridiculous. Please restore them immediately, you've made a mistake. Learn the guidelines before wasting people's time like this. Saying that she played test cricket is asserting her notability. I will take this further if you don't remedy this situation. Nick mallory (talk) 14:37, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Gee, since you asked so nicely, I'll take a look into it. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  14:38, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll restore the two I deleted and officially apologize, despite your being a total dick above. You might, however, want to take a little more time to create articles that have content and sources. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  14:40, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Might I ask you to double check the speedy deletion criteria. "An article about a real person... that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant. This is distinct from questions of verifiability and reliability of sources, and is a lower standard than notability; to avoid speedy deletion an article does not have to prove that its subject is notable, just give a reasonable indication of why it might be notable." (Emphasis is mine) So, the articles clearly shouldn't have been deleted in the first place, whether Nick is being a dick or not. A bit of advice for a new admin: double check, tag it with unreferenced and add a stub tag instead of deleting, it helps build the encyclopedia, and users don't get so aggravated. Regards, Woody (talk) 16:03, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I realized my mistake, Woody, and undeleted the articles ASAP. The problem I saw was the "test" - and wrongly assumed this was not a professional cricket league, etc. My mistake, thanks for the reminder. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  16:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Guys, Tan is clearly just trying to help maintain the quality of Wiki. I don't see any reason for the aggression out of both of you. Woody, I'm sure Tan has already looked through the criteria for SD multiple times and maybe s/he doesn't remember EVERY policy (or "guideline" as it may be) but I don't think the aggression is really needed to get a point across. It would have been just as easily stated by just copy/pasting the policy without the emphasis. s/he can read. Katanada (talk) 16:13, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I took no offense to Woody's comments, which I took to be a friendly reminder. I don't see the aggression from either of us that you are referring to. Also, if I'm going to delete articles and use my administrator priviledges, I better remember the policies I am applying. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  16:15, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok! :) just wanna make sure everyone is happy. btw... I found that I've been somewhat 'trigger-happy' when it comes to CSD. So a good way that I've found to deter myself is to give it other tags like expand or notability tags instead of just popping the sd tag out every time. maybe it'll help other people too Katanada (talk) 16:45, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm glad the spirit of my comments came across! ;) Just a friendly reminder. I find that when you start clearing out the backlogs, it helps to break the monotony by rescuing an article, researching it and improving it; deletions can take their toll, especially if you having to explain yourself every other minute to "representatives of the organisation." Best regards. Woody (talk) 19:00, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: block
I thought about it for a few minutes, but I couldn't find a single positive contribution in all the edits since the last six-month schoolblock expired in April. I used the template, so school admins will know what to do if they want to work around the block. Dppowell (talk) 16:45, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I understand. I was a little more forgiving, but I'm certainly not going to argue it :-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  16:47, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

:D
In future, I'm going to make sure that pages are sufficiently warned before they are protected. :D Acalamari 17:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I made an edit summary correction, but yer right, oops. Firefox prefilled in the summary and I was too quick to save ;-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  17:57, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Ijele
Interesting knowledge from someone who is "new" to Wikipedia. I wonder whose drawer he belongs in. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 20:02, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Tiresome, isn't it. "zOMG ur deletion was TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE and I am APPALLED by the power hungry Administrators. Meanwhile, I will ignore the three suggestions to take it to DRV, and instead will embark on a Mission to tell Nigerians about the travesties of Wikipedia". Go right ahead, tiger. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  20:09, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed, he must me quite important if all Nigerians with an interest in Wikipedia are watching his newly-created page. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 20:24, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks Tan. :) &mdash; scetoaux (T | C)  20:43, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

dogma free america discussion page
Could you refrain from deleting again the discussion page? I'm in communication on that page with another editor building a case for the page's notability. Mindme (talk) 00:10, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No, sorry. And please refrain from recreating an orphaned talk page for a non-notable podcast. There was consensus among four or five admins that that page met CSD criteria (including myself). <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  00:47, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Is a podcast number #5 in its itunes category and #1 on the feature page non notable? Could you comment then on my case for its notability. I'll repeat it here:

I would like to think if a podcast has a demonstrated history of interviewing noted people with national or international reputations, that would be highly indicative of a podcast's reach. For example the Skeptics Guide to the Universe podcast was only allowed when it become apparent Randi was semi regular contributor. Metrics are very hard to get for a podcast. Digg votes was one of the suggested metrics. A metric, one itunes uses to rank popularity, is the number of comments. DFA has 44.

http://www.gokorea.info/nonrand/df1.jpg

By way of comparison The Economist has 26 reviews.

http://www.gokorea.info/nonrand/df2.jpg

This NPR show has 25 reviews:

http://www.gokorea.info/nonrand/df3.jpg

Odd, I think a very non-notable podcast would draw nearly twice as many reviews.

These two podcasts are also top podcasts as evidenced by their placement on the itunes page:

http://www.gokorea.info/nonrand/df4.jpg

Dogma Free America is the top featured podcast in the itunes "general" category as well as #5, one more than Pat Condell

http://www.gokorea.info/nonrand/df5.jpg

As well a google search on "dogma free america" turns up 6,030 hits. A lot of people are talking about the podcast, no?

This must all be evidence that the podcast is notable.

I do realize the quality of the initial writeups were probably crap. My own first pass at the The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe podcast was a little bare:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Skeptics%27_Guide_to_the_Universe&oldid=99278491

But if you examine its history it came along well.

Mindme (talk) 00:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Look, I saw all that, I actually DID read your argument. You didn't make any assertion of which criteria of WP:WEB this podcast meets, either in that (horribly formatted) argument above or on the RPP page. Having google hits and a bunch of listeners don't make something notable, no matter how badly you want this article created. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  00:57, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Salt too?
Just wondering if you could salt Sunflake as well? Steve Crossin  (contact)  05:07, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Already did, three months. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  05:07, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yep, spotted that too. Thanks, Steve Crossin   (contact)  05:11, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sadly, even with a Cluebat some people will never give up. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 13:20, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Lag
"Due to high database server lag, changes newer than 334 seconds might not be shown in this list." Wow. That's over five minutes of lag. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  17:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's ridiculous. I just got a 230 seconds and I thought that was too much. Also have gotten errors a few times when trying to save my edits. Not surprising, given all the crap Wikipedia saves and the constant attempts to crash it by vandals.  Enigma  message 17:43, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * 319 here, so I went to Starbucks. Have had a ridiculous time of trying to save edits this morning. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 18:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It got up to the high 400s here before I decided to do some actual work for my real job. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  18:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, no lags for me. The highest number I ever saw though was in the 700s. I think there were a coupla longtime users "disappearing" at the same time, as well as renames and history purges... <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Seems to be behaving now, maybe it had a caffeine break too. I had fun doing some translations this morning. I don't want to think so I'm working the backlog again. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 19:02, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

If it breaks again, it's my fault. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 20:11, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Me too. Articles for deletion/Larry Wayne Sinclair <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  20:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh dear moo. Ten foot poll on that. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 21:24, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh god Tan, what have you done. I've already edited there like 5 or 6 times. Groan, I don't need the grief, but the "keep" arguments are so thin and so misguided that I just can't help myself. And I would have to have a gun pointed at my temple to vote for Obama, but that's here nor there...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  21:26, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * And here I am, sorta thinking it should be kept ;-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  22:01, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You do realize that if anyone bothers to read your talkpage that your diff will be used against the nomination? It's a good nom. The article could have 150 sources, it would still fail WP:BIO1E, WP:FORK, AND WP:COATRACK, let alone plain old WP:BLP, WP:BIO, and WP:FRINGE.  Don't remove the nom, it's a good nom.  I'll place a bet right now though that no admin will close it as anything short of no consensus...sigh...<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  22:04, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's a huge not news thing, he's a flash in the pan but sometimes they're kept. Depends on who's paying attention to AfD at the moment. E-Sword is going to be fun, but I hope not Hema Sinha like fun. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 22:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I know. I don't really care which way it goes; I mean, I don't have any vested interest in it. I took it to AfD because of an issue on RPP. Plus, if it closes as delete for some reason, then we can salt it for good. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  22:06, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah I over colon-ed because I didn't know where it would land with the ECs. AfDs where you're not passionate are the easiest. Then again stupid arguments at Afds (in general, not this AfD) make me want to spork people. I'm outta here, apartment hunting. Wish me luck :) TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 22:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well! That went very well, I thought :-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  22:46, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oy vey! Just knew that one was going to immediately land at DRV. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 02:05, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Y'think Bedford attacks should be oversighted? (or at least deleted?)
Hey there, brand new admin! :) Congrats, first of all.

Second of all, I was thinking about the anti-Bedford vandalism you recently reverted over at WP:ANI, and I am wondering if it should be oversighted, or at the very least the edits deleted. I suppose I could just fire off an e-mail to oversight, but I wanted to see if you agree first. It may be sufficient just to delete the edits, as it's not likely that anyone is going to take this allegations seriously... but even still, if someone clicking on the history of WP:ANI saw "Jaysweet is a pedophile!" in all capital letters, I don't think I'd appreciate that :D --Jaysweet (talk) 18:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the congrats, Jaysweet. Has Bedford expressed concern? <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  18:35, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, not that I know of. I don't think he's been online.  I thought about waiting and asking him first...  I admit I have a slight ulterior motive:  Seeing bad stuff in all capital letters every time I check the history on ANI (which I do fairly frequently) is kind of mind terrorizing me.  heh...  Not exactly having a great day, here, though, so maybe I'm being oversensitive. --Jaysweet (talk) 18:42, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I would wait. I mean, as it is now, it's just vandalism.... it'll work its way off the history soon. Just my opinion, though. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  18:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Unless something has changed in the way deletion works that I'm unawares of, to "delete" specific edits means deleting the whole page, then undeleting every edit other than those that you want to stay deleted. Highly unlikely to be successful or productive, oversight is the way to go if Bedford wants them gone.  I think the simplest solution is to let them disappear into that good night, they'll move off the page history "first page" soon enough. <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:47, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You know what, I knew that and I forgot. Quite right.  Okay, in that case I agree that unless Bedford requests removal, the cost of deleting the edits outweighs the benefit.  Thanks for the replies! :) --Jaysweet (talk) 18:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course, now it's on my talk page for everyone to look at for a few days... <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  18:58, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you know how tempting it is to use a completely inappropriate edit summary right now? <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * hehehe, I actually had made a mental note to redact that after you had read it, and forgot. Done now.  haha, sorry about that.  --Jaysweet (talk) 19:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Party
Click here. Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work 19:45, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed with a final count of 42 supporting, 2 opposing and 2 neutral. I would like to thank Keeper76 especially for the great nomination. I look forward to assist the project and its community as an administrator. Thanks again, <font color="#000080">Cena <font color="#1560bd">rium <font color="#000090"> Talk 00:41, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Wry
(I'm responding here since my comment is not really related to the thread on my talk.)

I'll see your "wry" and raise with "brusque."

Not only am I the worst in the world at hearing "tone of voice" in text, I am chronically unable to render text that sounds like what I want to say. In person I'm cheery, inquisitive, and loving. But I've been told that I type like someone with a stick up my bumm. A big stick.

So, sorry about that.

brenneman 02:14, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
I appreciate the note on my talk page. I must wonder, however, if you think Pats1 is respecting my work (a fellow contributer) and if I am free to change what he did? I contend that I may not because Pats1 is an admin and he can pretty much ingore WP:CONSENSUS if he desires. If I defend content I am edit warring. If I do nothing then Pats1 can change an entire article without haveing to include Pinkkeith or FriendofGaryColeman or anyone else. It seems like a bit of a catch-22, no? 72.0.36.36 (talk) 05:15, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Enjoy your break...
Will try not to have too much fun without you TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 14:18, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Jack Youngblood
Hey, Tanthalas39. I've been following the back-and-forth between 72.0.36.36 and Pats1 for the past couple days and have been involved myself (on ANI and the talk pages, not the article itself). I noticed that you mentioned protection in the notice you gave Pats1. In case you are unaware, Pats1 is an administrator himself and would be able to edit a full-protected article. Just thought that'd be something to note.  Ksy92003  (<font color="#083c6b">talk ) 04:57, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't template the regulars, especially when the template does not even begin to apply. <font color="#0d254c">Pats <font color="#8f8f8f">1  <font color="#c0001d">T /<font color="#c0001d"> C 11:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Sadly, that is your attitude. No rules apply to you. Just the same as chrisjnelson.72.0.36.36 (talk) 15:13, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

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No I will not
Consider this a warning to you. Do not judge me and do not abuse your editing privileges. They are not personal attacks and I will argue this with you until you convince me they are and I am wrong. I will not tolerate you threatening me based on quick hot-headed judgments. I do not need to even check your status on wikipedia as I can already tell you are an admin from the comment you left on my page. Do not cite diffs which use anecdotal evidence and do not make threats based on your limited knowledge. State a policy which I am breaking and direct me to the quote which proves I am breaking this, if you cannot then you have business in threatening me. Cazique (talk) 15:54, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've reviewed the contributions, and you are attacking an editor, saying that he is lying, etc. without providing evidence yourself. This is a violation of WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA.  There you go, an uninvolved admin response.  Best wishes Fritzpoll (talk) 16:00, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You'll field this one?! LMAO, you're kidding me right? Good joke. Anyway, Mr. Uninvolved, even though by you adding your two cents makes you involved, I am not speaking to you so you should not reply. I have reviewed your contributions, and you are attacking an editor also Fritzy. You see how easy it is to make unfounded statement?! You want to get involved in this too, then the same thing I said to your friend whom you replied for, goes to you. "State a policy which I am breaking and direct me to the quote which proves I am breaking this, if you cannot then you have business in threatening me." Cazique (talk) 16:07, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was referring to the two diffs that Tan cited on your talkpage. Apologies for the lack of clarity, but those are the quotes I was using to answer your question. I'm free to comment as I wish when trying to answer a question, so there you go :)  Best wishes Fritzpoll (talk) 16:12, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Then once again, the same applys to you. Again why did you reply on his behalf? Has he lost the ability to speak for himself and he needs his friends replying for him? Or were you just getting involved in something which does not concern you. And if it does please tell me how? My reply was directed at him, therfore, thus, hence he should be the one to reply. Not you. Okay? Is this understandable? :)Cazique (talk) 16:16, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: user indef blocked for repeated harassment. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  16:19, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Out of interest, what was the final straw? Sorry if you also feel I was intruding... Fritzpoll (talk) 16:20, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Not at all; that last response, of course. "needs his friends replying for him", etc. I wasn't really involved in any of the previous stuff - my final warning to him was my first interaction. Noting his reactions, he is not here to be constructive or reasonable. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  16:22, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have yet to issue a block, fortunately. I wish people on Wikipedia like this guy could just relax about it - Wikipedia is not that big a deal Fritzpoll (talk) 16:24, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Tan,
 * Just stopping by to say thanks for making the tough decision to block. I was hoping Cazique would come around, but he wasn't even making productive edits anymore. Add the use of sockpuppets (per Requests for checkuser/Case/Cazique), and it was a no-brainer: this guy wasn't playing within the rules. Thanks for making a tough call. Best wishes, Firsfron of Ronchester  19:43, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. Seemed pretty obvious in retrospect; terrible editor. "Editor". <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  19:54, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Gabriel Murphy Protection
Hello Tanthalas39:

Would you kindly take a look at the situation with the "Gabriel Murphy" article? This is an article that I think you will agree shows notability but has been deleted and now protected, even though the first AfD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Gabriel_Murphy_1st_nom) was to keep, when that article contained much less content.

I have opened a Deletion Review for this article and was hoping you could render an opinion on the situation. Several users had redirected "Gabriel Murphy" to aplus.net, but that article no longer exists. I really think this article has enough sources and notability to warrant its own article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Gabriel_Murphy —Preceding unsigned comment added by LakeBoater (talk • contribs) 17:58, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Looking at the history, the article went to a second AfD, and the outcome was to merge and redirect to Aplus.Net. That article was deleted recently due to an expired PROD. However, since the PROD was contested, I've restored the article. I do not want to end run your protection without consulting you. Do you agree that the status quo should be restored, and Gabriel Murphy set up as a redirect to Aplus.Net? —C.Fred (talk) 18:07, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * By all means, C.Fred. I can't help but feel this went further, like I'm missing a DR or something, but I can't find it. Feel free to do what you feel is right. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  18:12, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, a DR was started today. Deletion review/Log/2008 June 22. —C.Fred (talk) 18:56, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. I personally feel the "Gabriel Murphy" article should be its own article rather than a redirect. I am unsure why it should be a redirect to Aplus when it clearly establishes notability on its own. Do you agree?
 * No, I don't. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  18:34, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello Tanthalas39- thanks. Can you tell me exactly what criteria, in your opinion, this article does not meet that would exclude it from Wikipedia? I ask because I would like to improve the article if possible to address your concerns. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by LakeBoater (talk • contribs) 18:44, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Kermit Love
Then you should remove it from his page too. I didn't add it there though.
 * Probably a good idea - thanks! <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  21:15, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

DYK update
Hi Tan - could you please update the DYK clock and template? We're 30+ mins late on the next update. <font face="Verdana"><font color="Red">Vishnava <font color="Black"> talk  01:03, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Never even been to the DYK page, have no idea what I'm doing there. Better find another active admin ;-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  01:04, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Just needs an alternation like this one, where the update time (6 hrs from current) is written in. Wouldn't bug you if it weren't quick to do, <font face="Verdana"><font color="Red">Vishnava <font color="Black"> talk  01:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hope that worked. Yer taking the blame if I just broke Wikipedia. ;-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  01:09, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Anon Talk

 * I just saw you SP'd. Check out what User:Steve Crossin has.  he has a seperate "anon talk" page so that IP's can contact him when his regular talk is SP'd.  Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  14:03, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the rv on my talkpage!:D Angry vandals.... -- Xp54321 (<font color="FF8C00">Hello! ,<font color="FF8C00">Contribs ) 18:53, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What do you think of my work so far particularly concerning AIV and vandalism reversion and rollback.-- Xp54321 (<font color="FF8C00">Hello! ,<font color="FF8C00">Contribs ) 19:00, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Essentially good, although this sort of stuff (as already discussed on your talk page) is pretty immature and unnecessary. Just stay civil and you'll be fine. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  19:02, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah don't worry you won't see anymore of that from me.:)-- Xp54321 (<font color="FF8C00">Hello! •<font color="FF8C00">Contribs ) 19:06, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Also great work so far in terms of your admin actions. It's good to have an active admin around.:D-- Xp54321 (<font color="FF8C00">Hello! •<font color="FF8C00">Contribs ) 19:09, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Be sure to let me know if you disagree with any of my actions, too. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  19:10, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No prob. Be sure to ask other users or admins whenever you are not sure about something. That is very important. But otherwise common sense + civility + Wikipedia policy + help from wiki-friends = an enjoyable time here. Also get ready your talkpage is about to explode as everybody wants to talk to an admin.:D-- Xp54321 (<font color="FF8C00">Hello! • <font color="FF8C00">Contribs ) 19:15, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You should semi or fully protect your userpage. Admins get a high level of vandalism especially from angry vandals.....-- Xp54321 (<font color="FF8C00">Hello! • <font color="FF8C00">Contribs ) 21:57, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol you did that quickly.-- Xp54321 (<font color="FF8C00">Hello! • <font color="FF8C00">Contribs ) 21:59, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Undelete request for American Immigration Lawyers Association
I request that you undelete this page. A simple google search reveals that the subject is quite notable. Thank you. Stanley011 (talk) 19:06, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree. If you can show me how this associate meets the requirements of WP:ORG, I will reconsider. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  19:08, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree with Stanley. This coverage, just in the last month suggests notability (all coverage) "Does not meet WP:ORG" is not a reason for speedy deletion. Per A7, "This is distinct from questions of verifiability and reliability of sources, and is a lower standard than notability" and "an article does not have to prove that its subject is notable, just give a reasonable indication of why it might be notable." Although I haven't seen the article, there is a clear indication of notability given the coverage received by the subject. Regards, EJF (talk) 22:16, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Userfied User:Stanley011/AILA. EJF, you're in charge of this page now :-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  23:03, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Great, I'll do me best to help out Stanley this afternoon :-) EJF (talk) 08:25, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Tan, can you check the page over and give the approval to move it back to the mainspace? Afraid I can't do much more with it, I know bugger-all about the subject matter, but I have added a little info and references to substantial coverage by TIME magazine, New York Times and the News & Observer, which ensures it meets WP:ORG. Cheers, EJF (talk) 22:20, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Only nine references? What the hell, EJF. You don't need my approval, fire it up. I almost did it myself, then thought you might want author credit ;-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  22:28, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No probs, moved it the "proper way"; hope you aren't advocating cut-and-paste moves ;-) Would you be able to do a history-undeletion to give Stanley011 some credit for creating the article? EJF (talk) 22:32, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I tried to "restore" the history, and it looked like it would work, but it's still not on the page history. Stumped. Maybe a more experienced admin could... if it's a big deal. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  22:36, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like it did work. Thanks for that. Cheers, EJF (talk) 22:39, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Recommend sprotection of userpage
Dynamic IP hitting it hard.  Enigma  message 06:41, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Enigma - <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  13:27, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You should actually put full "move" protection on your pages, after all, why would anyone except you ever have a reason to move them? –<font face="Verdana"> xenocidic ( talk ) 13:38, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Why am I having trouble here? Can I have the edit protection expire after two days, but maintain full move protection indefinitely? <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  13:43, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes and no. To have it work the way you want it to, you need to lift the edit protection manually, not set an expiration. If you set an expiration, the move-protection vanishes with it. It's tricky that way. So semi-protect and move-protect, and then if you want, I'll remind you in a few days. :D  Enigma  message 16:29, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Casual+y‎
Hi could you move the above article back to Casualty (TV series) a vandal had been messing with it. Thanks --Bit Lordy (talk) 17:12, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, By the way I like your cool picture--Bit Lordy (talk) 17:17, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem, and thanks. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  17:20, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Non-wiki Wiki-ing
Anyone else find themselves doing Wiki stuff in non-Wiki areas - work emails, etc? I find myself signing with ~ all the time on work emails. And, if I'm trying to highlight a word, I'll put brackets around it sometimes. "Well, Helene, the contract didn't go to the site on time. Per our SOPs, we need to..." <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  18:22, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Done that on several emails. One I actually sent. I detest certain websites that use red fonts for their intra-links.  Makes the whole page look like it's incomplete, or that I can't click on them.  And there's one particular page I frequent that uses a bright orange banner-ad on the top quite frequently, I've many times clicked on it to get my messages only to be redirected to some popup spamicruft.  And I have said Wikistressed out loud once instead of just Stressed.  I'm sure there's more... <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper   |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  18:28, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, every serious Wikipedian has done it at least once. I've found myself using brackets. By the way, did you see my reply about protecting your page?  Enigma  message 18:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, that's damn funny. Keeper clicked on the bright orange banner? Mwahahahahahaha  Enigma  message 18:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I swear this is the only place I see banners because Adblock Pro on Firefox takes care of evil spam ads. But yes, I tend too want to use the TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 02:48, 24 June 2008 (UTC), brackets and I went to code an HTML link wiki style. Brain rot all around TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 02:48, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Problem
Tan take a look at the happening(2008) film article. Sockpuppetry,persistent vanadalism and on very dynamic vandal ip. Please semi immediately. I've filed like 5 reports in the last 15 min at aiv...-- Xp54321 (<font color="FF8C00">Hello! • <font color="FF8C00">Contribs ) 22:24, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like it's been semi'd, Xp. That was one to take to RFPP. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  22:28, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

User page protection
Hey Tan, I just changed your userpage protection so that only admins can actually move User:Tanthalas39 to a different page. Autoconfirmed users can still edit your userpage, but they can't move it anymore. When you click on "protect" tab, you'll notice that there is a little checkbox under the right side window - if you check it, then you can change the move option to be different from the edit option. Make sense? Change it back if you want random editors to have the ability to move your userpage to User:Tanthalas39 luvs the sk8ter girl, or some such. Cheers, <font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper  |  <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76   |  <font color="#ff0000"> Disclaimer  22:32, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Got it. Thanks, coach! <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  22:36, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: RFA question
Just curious as to what you mean when you say "Every time you seem to build momentum, you shoot yourself in the foot"? Thanks, <font face="Segoe script"><font color="#ff0000">D <font color="#ff6600">u <font color="#009900">s <font color="#0000ff">t <font color="#6600cc">i SPEAK!! 17:29, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I dunno, Disti, it seems somewhat self-explanatory to me. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of you. But you'll be cruising along, learning stuff, doing well, and then you'll make some relatively severe faux pas like on that RfA. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  18:12, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * As far as that goes, I think that I'm entitled to my own opinion. No one knew how that RFA was going to go, and my gut feeling was wrong. Anymore, no one knows how an RFA is going to go because it seems like the standards are different for established editors each passing day. <font face="Segoe script"><font color="#ff0000">D <font color="#ff6600">u <font color="#009900">s <font color="#0000ff">t <font color="#6600cc">i SPEAK!! 02:34, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You are entitled to your opinion. However, it was a seriously bad judgment call (I wasn't the only one to think this, obviously, I'm just the one pointing it out now). NOTNOW? Being the first one to vote and completely missing the fact that this was a viable candidate shows that you aren't taking the time you need to actually evaluate the candidate. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  12:38, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Editor Review

 * Tan, I'm on editor review here. Tell everyone you know.  I am desperate for reviews!  Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  19:47, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Biography Vandalism/Vanity Page
Hi, I think I need an admins help here. A user (Lycianaff1) claiming to be the subject of the Wikipedia biography ( Lycia Naff, ) in question has taken over the page and started editing it...at first changing it into a vanity page (links to their agent, favorable reviews, etc.), changing their sourced birth date to a much younger one (it is a B movie actresse's page), and removing sourced material they didn't feel was flattering. When these edits got reverted the user just started to blank the page. I think the user needs to be blocked from editing the page and the page reverted (its blanked by this person now) for a lot of reasons: the editor is the (self-claimed) subject of the page, they've hacked the page repeatedly, they are using it as a self promoting PR page, they've blanked the page, etc. 96.238.177.90 (talk) 21:29, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't have time to look into this - can any admin-stalker of my page take a look, and maybe tell our dear anonymous friend where he/she can go for help? Gracias! <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  21:30, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems Fritzpoll already left them a stern warning. –<font face="Verdana"> xeno cidic ( talk ) 21:40, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * (e/c from xeno) The editing stopped yesterday, so no block should be issued. I have, however, issued a warning to User:Lycianaff1 and ask that any subsequent edits that are disruptive be reported to me or another administrator.  Best wishes Fritzpoll (talk) 21:41, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the speedy work! 96.238.177.90 (talk) 22:51, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry dude but its got to be like this
I know this will take away all chances of becoming an admin, but thats the least of m worries. My only concern is to end this ageism. Please forgive me for saying this, but this is what will happen no matter what you say.<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">Gears <font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">Of War  23:25, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * There are age limits everywhere in life. Driving cars, drinking alcohol, buying porn. Are you going to fight those, too? One of the most important lessons I ever learned from my father was to "pick and choose my battles". This battle will do nothing but harm you. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  12:38, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I should add that you can fight this battle, but the way you guys are waging it is doing nothing but proving everybody right - maturity is an issue. You need to convince everyone that you are mature and have solid good judgment, not form exclusive kid's clubs and write whiny notes to Jimbo. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  12:47, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Cabal

 * I added a little bit. Hopefully, you won't delete it?  Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  23:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I won't. I guarantee it will eventually, though. And seriously, it's inappropriate, immature, and only furthers the "little kid" image. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  23:27, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * DELETE NOW PLZ?? Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  23:31, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

A heartache Remembered
Please don't delete this page, understand that heartache is not doing this to promote itself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.91.145.194 (talk) 00:54, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Nickolai Ebersbacheichel
Did you even read this article? The article was complete and utter nonsense: the "subject" was 13 years old when he was Hitler's double during the invasion of Poland? Please! And if you are going to leave messages on my Talk Page, please show me some respect. Thank you. Ecoleetage (talk) 02:56, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S. I took the article to the AfD section and it was speedy deleted within a minute of arriving. Ecoleetage (talk) 03:06, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * P.P.S. And by the way, it was not the first time the article was Speedy Deleted:

<<<01:56, 26 June 2008 RHaworth (Talk | contribs) deleted "Nickolai Ebersbacheichel" ‎ (G1: Patent nonsense, meaningless, or incomprehensible) >>> And the admin who speedy deleted my AfD offering checked and saw the article was generated three times within two hours -- and blocked the editor responsible for this. Ecoleetage (talk) 03:37, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I read the article. Have you read the definition of G1? "Patent nonsense and gibberish, an unsalvageably incoherent page with no meaningful content. This does not include: poor writing, partisan screeds, obscene remarks, vandalism, fictional material, material not in English, badly translated material, implausible theories, or hoaxes; some of these, however, may be deleted as vandalism in blatant cases." I don't disagree with the deletion of the article. I myself tend to prefer AfD to speedy, even if the end result is a speedy deletion - at least a few more eyes get on it. The fact that it had been speedily deleted before is irrelevant. However, my point wasn't the article, it was your improper tagging. Coming back here and being indignant about it certainly isn't the mature thing to do. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  12:32, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The point is actually your opinion that it was improperly tagged. Another admin deleted it for G1 -- a fact that you are conveniently overlooking.  And the admin who deleted my AfD also blocked the editor for repeated vandalism for resubmitting the same article three times within two hours, a point that you failed to consider when you decided to allow the article to remain online.  And may I politely recommend that you take some time to re-familiarize yourself with WP:Civil and WP:Bite?  If you have a concern about any aspect of my Wiki-work, I am sure it can be addressed without belittling me. Ecoleetage (talk) 13:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Other admins do whatever they want. I disagree that this was a G1 deletion. Like I said, perhaps G3 - but people misuse the G1 tag all the time, including other admins. Re-read CIVIL and BITE? Lolz. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  13:38, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The fact remains that you are pushing an opinion as a fact. And I also take umbrage with what I perceive as deliberate rudeness.  I am trying to contribute to Wikipedia in a positive manner, and your comments are anything but encouraging. Ecoleetage (talk) 13:46, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What's my opinion? That you tagged a hoax article as G1? If you want to keep doing that, just realize you're doing so against the difinition of G1. If you think I'm rude when I tell you this, I don't care. My initial comment to you was casual and "hey man, you can't do that" sort of thing. You are the one who blew indignant shit all over my talk page. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  13:50, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Eco, I have read the article. It was not a G1.  Not an opinion, a fact.  It was in fact, a G3, as the two subsequent deleting admins realised, because it was a hoax (i.e. vandalism).  I suspect the first deletion was G1 because that's how it was tagged by AlbertHerring, and our deletion pages default to the tag description on the page.  Don't berate Tan - he was correctly applying the CSD criteria.  Regards Fritzpoll (talk) 14:01, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Clearly, there is a difference of opinion regarding perceptions of language -- and, I admit, coming to English only within the past few years, I tend to miss a lot of nuances in written communications. I will close my contribution to this discussion by adding that I appreciate Tan's intentions and his work. And I will exit on what I hope is perceived as a sincere and positive note:

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Google Street View coverage areas article
I am requesting that the page Google Street View coverage areas be undeleted for now. User:FlagFreak placed the db tag on the article on the basis that it was recreation of a previously deleted article. Trouble is, the article was substantially different from the deleted article. It was actually a subarticle of Google Street View in order to keep that article more manageable. If FlagFreak really wants this article deleted, there should be an AfD discussion. Sebwite (talk) 03:10, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Edit history clean up
Would you mind cleaning up the edit history at Pi Delta Psi? An IP address editor ( 129.44.179.48) flooded the entire edit history with trivial edits. Thanks. Chicken Wing (talk) 22:07, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Nautel page deletion
Hello,

I recently submitted a page on a local company (I am a resident of Halifax, Nova Scotia) and it has been deleted. After carefully reading the reasons for deletion I recognize that I didn't meet the criteria for notability, but I do believe that Nautel is a notable company.

Nautel is a manufacturer of solid state transmitters and is recognized as having invented solid state technology nearly forty years ago. In an industry that is only now moving away from vacuum tube technology, this is an incredible achievement. Nautel has a presence in more than 170 countries around the world and has successfully installed more than 7000 transmitters since 1969.

Nautel is also notable for its involvement in the advancement of HD Radio in the United States. Along with the other major transmitter manufacturers (Harris, Continental, BE) Nautel has worked with the NAB (National Association of Broadcasters) in its efforts to lower the cost for radio stations transitioning to digital radio through the development of embedded exporters (http://www.radioworld.com/pages/s.0100/t.13025.html). Nautel is also currently involved in a petition to the FCC in association with the NAB to raise digital radio injection levels to -10dB (http://www.radioworld.com/dailynews/index.cgi). Raising the levels of HD radio is seen by many as being essential to the success of HD radio in the United States.

Nautel has recently successfully tested its new eLoran (Enhanced Long Range Navigation) technology at the United States Loran facility in Wildwood, NJ. This represents a significant feat as Nautel will be only the second company to offer an eLoran solution and will have done so using technology that was widely considered unable to create the eLoran pulse (http://satellitenavigation.wordpress.com/category/eloran/).

Working in conjunction with AdAstra Rocket Company, Nautel is currently developing technology to facilitate a new form of rocket propulsion know as VASIMR. This new propulsion system uses plasma that has been super heated by RF (radio frequency) and will allow for much longer flights while eliminate the need for traditional rocket fuels in space exploration (http://www.adastrarocket.com/vasimr.html)(http://www.radio-guide.com/#Radio%20Guide%202008%20On-Line)

Nautel has also received considerable press for its innovative broadcast transmitters. The two major industry papers, Radio World and Radio Magazine, both recognized Nautel products at the industries largest convention held this April in Las Vegas. The NX50 50kW AM transmitter and the NV40 40 kW FM transmitter both recieved awards for innovation (http://radiomagonline.com/features/2008-pick-hits-nab-show/index1.html)(http://www.rwonline.com/cool.stuff.shtml).

Unfortunately the broadcast manufacturing industry gets little mainstream press. Within the radio industry Nautel is seen as an innovative and well respected company. Working out of a small village in Nova Scotia with 150 employees, Nautel is able to compete globally with larger conglomerates like Harris and BE and is still recognized as an industry leader.

I realize that I may not have justified the notability of this company before I submitted my article. I thought that I would be able to return to this article to elaborate upon it and was hoping that others would see my article and be encouraged to share their knowledge as well.

Sorry for the length of this message, I just wanted to get this all out in one shot. I hope you read it all and I hope you will reconsider the deletion of my article.

If there are any criteria I must meet in order for my article to be reinstated, please let me know.

--Backburner (talk) 22:09, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Backburner, thank you for your reasoned post. I appreciate that you took the time to read WP:CORP, and understand that there are certain criteria that must be met by organizations in order to be included on Wikipedia. I have placed this article in your userspace here; feel free to work on it all you want there before "releasing into the wild". Just realize that when you re-post it in mainspace, unless you make strong claims to the notability requirements set out in WP:CORP, it will probably be speedily deleted again.


 * Let me know if you have any more questions. Thanks! <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  22:32, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Tan, thanks for the quick response. I guess my only question would be if I made a compelling enough argument above to meet the requirements of WP:CORP (I realize this may be a question you are unable to answer).  Anyway, I'm off to work on my article.


 * Cheers, --Backburner (talk) 22:44, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, instead of making me look at those links and trying to decide which facet of WP:CORP this would meet, why don't you make your argument in a way that's specifically tailored to meshing your article with WP:CORP? Looking at the links above, I really don't think that this constitutes significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. . Are these sources independent? If they are a niche publication covering a niche product, that's really not notable. Is this coverage significant - i.e., is this company notable in some way other than just for existing within the industry? You tell me! <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  22:48, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

David Zolotarev Deletion
Please can you explain why you deleted this page. David Zolotarev was a prominent soviet anthropologist as explained on the page. had been put on the page and other material added. Why did you delete it? Please answer this!Harrypotter (talk) 22:48, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It was deleted because another editor decided that the subject did not meet the notability requirements of WP:BIO. I agreed. If you can make a compelling argument as to which aspect of WP:BIO Mr. Zolotarev meets, I would be happy to reconsider. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  22:51, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * For your convenience, CREATIVE is the specific list of criteria that needs to be met (at least, one of the criteria needs to be met). <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  22:53, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for restoring David Zolotarev.Harrypotter (talk) 23:07, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sigh. I didn't restore it. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  23:14, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry my mistake, I still had the page open as I was still working on it, and I thought it had been restored. I think it should be restored. Not only was he a prominent anthropologist in the Soviet Union, but he was also denounced by the Party, who even came up with the term Zolotarevism. Thus he is notable both for his academic work, and in terms of the political struggles of the Soviet Union in the thirties. This is an important page amongst a series I have been working on concerning Soviet anthropology, and it will be sorely missed if it is not restored. ThanksHarrypotter (talk) 23:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You didn't address any of my above comments about making an argument on how it meets WP:BIO. "Sorely missed"? By who? You? <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  23:21, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I thought the above comments made it clear that Zolotarev "has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field". He has also "the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent,[4] and independent of the subject" - Hirsch, Francine. 2005. Empire of Nations: Ethnographic Knowledge and the Making of the Soviet Union. Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press. ISBN 0-8014-4273-7 - which I did not have time to add as a reference before being interrupted. Also "Le passé vivant" face "l’avenir radieux": les études régionales et le pouvoir soviétique dans la province de Jaroslavl’ (1917-1930) by Vladimir Kovalenko, University of Tours was added as reference. I feel these two references, indicating an international discussion in both English and French. He is further described as an "outstanding Russian ethnographer and anthropologist" by the Russian Museum of Ethnography. As for myself, I have these references and already know about him, but it is others who are trying to familiarise themselves with anthropology and Soviet anthropologists in particular. If you have any doubts in this matter please contact Baranov Dmitri, head of the Department of Russian people ethnography. Of course, he is also held in high regard by Finnish anthropologists, being described as "The most famous depictor of the Carelians" [here http://finnanthro.blogspot.com/2006/12/carelia-summary.html]. A.I.Terukov is currently sponsored by the Russian Academy of Sciences: Tracing D.A.Zolotarev expedition: ethno-cultural and migration processes in rural areas of the North-West of RF in historical perspective. I think all this establishes the importance of this article according to WP:BIOHarrypotter (talk) 23:58, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Why?
Why did you protect the page I was editing? I don't understand. This is the first article I've written for wikipedia and its turning out to be a nightmare with all the rules I keep breaking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Origamirobot (talk • contribs) 23:45, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: replied on editor's talk page. Of course it's a nightmare; he/she didn't bother to read any of the rules. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  23:50, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Why?
I did read the notices. And the only reason it kept getting reposted was because I was editing it when someone deleted it out from underneath me. Then when I press the save button it reposts the article. I posted in the talk page about why I feel its important but no one cared to read it. On top of all that this article meets the notability standards its just no one let me finish the article to prove it. That's why I posted an explanation in the talk page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Origamirobot (talk • contribs) 23:57, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If you read the notices, you should know that the subject you were writing about didn't meet the notability criteria required for inclusion on Wikipedia. I certainly did read your discussion page rebuttal, decided that "having a fan base" and your other arguments didn't sway me, and deleted it. I saw that it was being recreated immediately, so I protected it from recreation. Your indignation aside, unless you can make specific arguments for how this subject meets WP:BIO notability criteria, the article will remain off Wikipedia. By the way, you don't need to create a new headline for every post on my talk page, and please sign your posts with four tildes, like this: ~ <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  00:02, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

She currently hosts an IPTV show called black20 live at http://black20.com/blk20-live. She was a featured VJ on Concert TV. She's done tons of voice over work for video games including surfing H30, and the more notable Grand Theft Auto 4. Radio voice over work for Opie and Anthony, David Lee Roth, and a few other shows on 92.3 FreeFM. Shes been featured in tons of sketches on different shows including, MTV's Human Giant, Comedy Central's Important Things with Dimitri Martin, College Humor, Net_work, and on stage performances with the Upright Citizens Brigade. She's also done backing vocals for legendary NY hardcore bands H20 and Sick of it All. She also produced the Jake & Jackie show on K-Rock which had a huge following on http://www.blowcaine.com/. She has a reoccurring character on black20.com's show net_work (stacy) which also has a huge cult following (http://black20.com/network). Sorry about all the mixups. This is my first article and I'm trying my best. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Origamirobot (talk • contribs) 00:20, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If you've read WP:BIO, you know that just having a random list of TV appearances and voiceover work is not enough to estabilish notability. Can you tell me specifically which part of the policy this subject meets, quoting the relevant parts? <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  00:26, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

She was in a Human Giant sketch considered to be one of the most controversial MTV comedy sketches in history. http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/75b1e5d336. Origamirobot (talk) 00:47, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you completely ignoring me? How does being in the Human Giant sketch possibly make this subject meet WP:BIO? <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan'''  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  00:52, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Because its a significant role in a notable TV show. I would say its fits this "(b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition", and this "Has been featured multiple times in notable mainstream media." and this "Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following." and shes definitely had significant roles in multiple notable television shows or productions —Preceding unsigned comment added by Origamirobot (talk • contribs) 00:59, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I still disagree. However, you've taken sufficient time (and finally read WP:BIO!) that I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and userfy the article. You can find it in your userspace here; I suggest cleaning it up and making as strong of a claim as possible. Even then I can't guarantee it will survive on mainspace - this subject is borderline notable at best. Also, see how after every one of your posts is "unsigned comment..."? Please sign your talkpage posts with four tildes at the end of your text, like this: ~ <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  15:12, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Long, complicated request
OK. Basically, I decided that the image used on the Main Page to illustrate Today's Featured Article is of fairly low quality. So I cleaned it up and tried to upload a new version, not remembering that anything on the Main Page is cascade-protected.

So, what I am asking you to do is upload my new version for me. How to do that is fairly complicated:


 * 1) Can you either tell me what your email address is or send an email to j.delanoy [at] gmail [dot] com
 * 2) Once I know what your email address is, I will attach my cleaned-up version of the picture to an email and send it to you.
 * 3) Then can you use the standard "upload new version" thingy to overwrite the existing file?

If you don't want to go through all that hassle, I can ask another admin to do it. I just asked you because I saw you revert vandalism on my userpage, so I knew you were on right now. Thanks for your time, J.delanoy <sup style="color:red;">gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds  00:39, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * While you're at it, can you semi-protect my userpage for 36 hrs? J.delanoy <sup style="color:red;">gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds  00:41, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my impatience got me. Someone already got the Main Page thingy. J.delanoy <sup style="color:red;">gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds  00:42, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay JD. Userpage protected. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  00:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Rangeblock?
Probably need to ask a checkuser, but it may be necessary.  Enigma  message 00:42, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If you do, look at Talk:Main Page as well. J.delanoy <sup style="color:red;">gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds  00:46, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Article deleted
Hello,

Sorry to bother you with this question, but I would like to understand what I did wrong. I recently wrote an article about a proprietary CMS named WebQuick. The page has been tagged as spam/advertisement, and quickly deleted. Before writing my article, I took care of reading similar pages in order to check what it was convenient to describe and how to quote sources. I visited pages like Jahia, Brunner_CMS, Clearspace, Powerfront_CMS and I tried to get inspired in order to write my article. Since I don't see many differences between these existing articles and the one I wrote, I just would like to understand what was so wrong. Thanks in advance. Wikibourg (talk) 01:47, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry Tan
Hey Tan, I know me and you got off to a bad start so I wanted to applogize for being so immature. Friends?<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">Gears <font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">Of War  15:05, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You know it, dude. I don't hold grudges. I apologize myself for being short with you. :-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  15:06, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It cool happy editing.<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">Gears <font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">Of War  15:07, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Blocks
You realize you just blocked the US House of Representatives? DS (talk) 19:40, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, reported as required, too. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  19:41, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Holy crap. You just busted the house of repreentives? Dude! Awesome!<font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">Gears <font face="Times New Roman" size="2.0" color="black">Of War  19:43, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Holy shit. I'm busting a gut.  Shapiros10  <sup style="color:chocolate;">contact me <sub style="color:#3D2B1F;">My work  22:46, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!
For giving me a heads up on WP:CSD#G4 --Numyht (talk) 20:45, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure thing - <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  20:53, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Removed Gary Williams (singer) page
Hello

I am new to Wikipedia. I submitted an article yesterday which seems to have been blocked or removed. I have had a good look around and am not sure why, or what I need to do to correct the situation and get the, or a page up. Maybe I didn't follow the correct guidelines (though I did try).

Perhaps you could advise me?

Many thanks Gary

Bosgroup (talk) 22:55, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi there Bosgroup. It seems the subject of the article didn't meet notability requirements of Wikipedia - see WP:BIO and WP:BAND. The article also was not appropriate for an encyclopedia; it was promotional in tone and was full of opinion. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  14:33, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Arbitrary header for user who placed this at the top of my page
Hello,

You recently (I beleive)deleted an entry I was working on for the Davinci Institute. As far as it being deleted because it lacked "notability" - I actually read the content guidelines on notability and credibility and tried to post references that evidenced both criteria. When I went to post these references nothing would appear - same when I tried to "link" them to external publications (that NOTE our organization as an informational resource.) I went back through and tried to figure out what I'd done wrong and I was following the referenece steps thoroughly.

As we are often soiught out by, and quoted by, the Denver Post, The Rocky Mountain News and other state and national information publications (like the Heritage foundation for instance is quoted and used as an information resource and IS listed on wikipedia) I believe that is a "qualification" - a third party reliable source referring to our organization - for notability.

Please help me understand 1) possibly why I couldn't post references and 2) AM I mistaken in thinking that using major news resouces as a notability/credibility determinant is incorrect (when that seems to be what your guidelines require)?

Thanks so much for your help - in advance,

Sincerely

Simhamukha (talk) 23:02, 27 June 2008 (UTC)simhanukha


 * Hi there. The organization you wrote about apparently doesn't come close to meeting our notability guidelines found at WP:ORG. The "references" you posted are either inaccessible by me, or, like this one at rockymountainnews.com, has nothing to do with the organization and just happens to be written by someone involved. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  14:38, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Lee Sung Goo
Thank you for blocking the user. He's been really bothersome for a while now. By the way, maybe you should block his sockpuppet as well, for good measure. He's used that account even more extensively to vandalize.- Amog  | Talk •  contribs 14:40, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Google Street View coverage areas, 2nd try to contact
I wrote to you a day ago, and I haven't gotten a response yet, so I am writing to you again.

I am requesting that the page Google Street View coverage areas be undeleted for now. User:FlagFreak placed the db tag on the article on the basis that it was recreation of a previously deleted article. Trouble is, the article was substantially different from the deleted article. It was actually a subarticle of Google Street View in order to keep that article more manageable. If FlagFreak really wants this article deleted, there should be an AfD discussion.

Please keep in mind also that I have been editing Wikipedia for nearly 2 years and have over 4000 edits. FlagFreak has only been around for about 2 months with fewer than 200 edits. That should not be used as grounds for decision making, but I do believe this article, which was far from complete, should undergo AfD if it is to be deleted. Sebwite (talk) 19:24, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Sebwite, I'm sorry - I meant to respond but you got lost in the chaos of my talk page. I'll restore momentarily, do with it as you will. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  19:29, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Sebwite (talk) 06:29, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Are you online?
I have a question for you.....<font face="Segoe script"><font color="#ff0000">D <font color="#ff6600">u <font color="#009900">s <font color="#0000ff">t <font color="#6600cc">i SPEAK!! 21:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Here! <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  21:08, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been looking around, trying to find a "new thing" and I found the ACC and noticed there is a specific group for this. Can you explain? Never heard of it before...<font face="Segoe script"><font color="#ff0000">D <font color="#ff6600">u <font color="#009900">s <font color="#0000ff">t <font color="#6600cc">i SPEAK!! 21:10, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * While I understand the function of WP:ACC, I'm confused as to your question - "a specific group"? What do you mean? <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  21:13, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Account Creator....here's a link <font face="Segoe script"><font color="#ff0000">D <font color="#ff6600">u <font color="#009900">s <font color="#0000ff">t <font color="#6600cc">i SPEAK!! 21:15, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, yeah! You know, I don't really know... I assume all admins have that right, but this looks like something that's granted, like rollback, doesn't it? <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  21:18, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes it is, and I'm kind of interested and am wondering about how it works.....<font face="Segoe script"><font color="#ff0000">D <font color="#ff6600">u <font color="#009900">s <font color="#0000ff">t <font color="#6600cc">i SPEAK!! 21:18, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I just found this. I would like to have the access, if you'll grant it to me. Also, how do you create an account for someone else? Is there a special page? <font face="Segoe script"><font color="#ff0000">D <font color="#ff6600">u <font color="#009900">s <font color="#0000ff">t <font color="#6600cc">i SPEAK!! 21:25, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not really comfortable granting you access to something you just found and apparently don't understand (not that I do, either). Maybe Keeper would be a better person to ask for this... <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  21:29, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I just found out and understand now. I did some investigation. According to this page, when you follow this link, you can request an account. Once you fill out the form the users who have access can see that you have requested the account and can make it for you. <font face="Segoe script"><font color="#ff0000">D <font color="#ff6600">u <font color="#009900">s <font color="#0000ff">t <font color="#6600cc">i SPEAK!! 21:32, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Page protection
Just wanted to say thank you for your support. I have to pop out for half an hour; could you keep an eye on my talk page? I don't intend to lift the protection at the moment. I'll review things in an hour, as promised. We'll see how it is then. Thanks, PeterSymonds (talk)  21:19, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. Although you know I'm slightly less tolerant than you :-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  21:20, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've responded on the article's talk page. I want to reduce to semi-protection, with agreement to a two-revert rule on the article for 24 hours. You might want to comment there, if you agree or disagree. I think it's time for some order to be placed, but as it stands, the article is in need of some cleanup. Thanks again, PeterSymonds (talk)  22:33, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:Ryan Lupin's RfA
Why is my reason 'stupid'? Ryan Lupin has seen a vast increase in contributions made in the past few months. Looking through his contribs, this is largely due to the automated Huggle vandal-fighting tool. I just feel that there is more to adminship the using Huggle. I know this user has contributed in other areas, but Huggle edits outweigh everything else by a long, long way. There have been some silly contributions brought up by other users. I don't appreciate my oppose reason being called 'stupid' by a fellow administrator, who like myself, has been participating in RfA for now over a year. We both know what we're talking about, why do we have to contradict each other. People now defend Kurt Weber for continuing to put daft opposes on RfAs. If my oppose is silly, then what is his? (And I'm not bringing Kurt into this particular case don't think that, I'm not starting a debate on him). <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 22:06, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * So had he not used Huggle at all, things would be better? So what if he had a "vast increase in contribs". If you're going to oppose for that, then do it by saying, "You don't have enough experience here". I do apologize for being rude; I do not find you stupid. However, frankly, I find "Oppose: uses Huggle" quite stupid. The Kurt thing doesn't need any more comment because it's common knowledge that it's a ridiculous oppose reason ;-) <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  22:11, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thankyou for clarifying. Maybe it could have been worded better, I understand. I just have noticed in recent times the increase in relatively inexperienced users acquiring Huggle, sometimes with not many edits to their name at all, and having an edit count up into the thousands in just a few days. Soon, they think they are ready for adminship. There is more to adminship than lots of automated edits. I'm not referring to Ryan here, but I felt I had to point it out to him before he dedicated all his Wikipedia time to Huggle instead os project space. Thanks once again for replying. Very best wishes, <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 22:17, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * For the record: The issue I was addressing in the RfA was not Huggle itself, but rather Lradrama telling the candidate not to use it because it's frowned upon in RfAs. Everyme (was Dorftrottel) (talk) 01:43, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Exactly. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  14:48, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Magnum Crimen
Hi Tanthalas, many thanks for your attention to this article. May I interpret your remarks at RfPP to mean that if the IP indulges in more of the same then I should draw it to your attention? Best, AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 16:09, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I do not see any reason for this protection - please join to the discussion on talk page of this article.--72.75.24.245 (talk) 16:57, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The protection was justified; you were edit warring. The semi-protection has generated discussion on the talk page, which is a step in the right direction. I have no wish to participate in the actual article building. Alasdair, yes - but please try to work this out with the anonymous editor. Perhaps a compromise can be made, or other people can weigh in on the discussion. At any rate, the protection stands. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  17:57, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Many thanks again. I'm trying to get our friend to add something to the article rather than edit war, so the semi-prot will help in that, especially if he/she can spend a couple of hours finding things to add rather than just reverting. We're at the talk page, so hopefully this'll be the last you'll hear from either of us ;-) AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 18:09, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Kashmiri people
Thanks for protecting the article. It had been vandalised by multiple IP addresses for quite some time.

Good move :).

Thanks, TheSuave (talk) 18:51, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

"Eminem's fifth studio album" redirect
Thanks for the move. However, I saw you redirected Eminem's fifth studio album to Encore (Eminem album). I reverted that edit because, although it's perfectly right, there are still a ton of links all over wikipedia that link "Eminem's fifth studio album", intending his new album to come out. Until many of those links aren't fixed, I feel that "Eminem's fifth studio album" should redirect to "Eminem's sixth studio album". Hope you agree. <b style="color:green;">Do U(knome)?</b> <sup style="color:red;">yes... | <sub style="color:blue;">or no <b style="color:white;"> ·</b> 18:54, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, if I had time, I'd go through the "what links here" and change them - I wonder if I can figure out how to automate that. Anyways, of course I agree - thanks for following up on this. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  00:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've already gone through a few of those (the basic ones, like Eminem's article). Yeah, it would be nice if there was something automated available (and I have a feeling there is but...). Thanks for understanding. <b style="color:green;">Do U(knome)?</b> <sup style="color:red;">yes... | <sub style="color:blue;">or no <b style="color:white;"> ·</b> 01:06, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

RyanLupin's RfA
You indicated in your support that you don't find this to be of any concern. Ryan basically calls a very fair viewpoint ignorant, impugning several editors, backing it up with zero evidence. In your own words, if you can honestly say with a straight face that that's of no concern, than that's eye-opening and I would advise you to reconsider your participation in RfA. Nousernamesleft (talk) 00:18, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you want me to say here. I meant what I said, and I'm sure as hell not going to stop participating in RfAs. <font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">Tan  |  <font color="#21421E" face="Papyrus">39  00:19, 30 June 2008 (UTC)