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Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:13, 21 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you, ! Hard to believe it's been 6?!?! years already! The SandDoctor  Talk 03:18, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Let's believe ;) - Thank you today for Mick Jagger, "about Sir Michael Philip Jagger -- most commonly known by his stage name Mick Jagger. While studying to become an economist, he found success in a little known band he co-founded called the Rolling Stones in '62, which went on to be the most commercially successful band in history...with him at the helm. AllMusic and MSN have called him "one of the most popular and influential frontmen in the history of rock & roll" and Billboard has called him "the rock and roll frontman". He is best known for being the trailblazing lead singer of the Rolling Stones and half of the Jagger–Richards songwriting team, one of the most successful songwriting partnerships in history. According to Steven Van Zandt, Jagger's acceptance on pop radio "was a turning point in rock & roll. He broke open the door for everyone else." - "He received a knighthood in 2003, has been inducted into two music halls of fame (Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and UK Music Hall of Fame), and even had a 19-million-year-old species of water nymph named after him. Jagger's style has been studied by academics and his vocal delivery and his sense of pitch and melody have baffled other singers. He has either directly or indirectly (through the Stones) served as inspiration for many artists, including Taylor Swift, Jack White, Steven Tyler, and Iggy Pop; in 2011, Maroon 5 released "Moves like Jagger", a song inspired by his unique dancing style. Despite all this (there is much more I didn't cover) and the immense success he has achieved in life, he didn't let the fame get to his head; the late Charlie Watts described him as "the least egotistical person" who would "do what's right for the band"."! - Do you take flowers also, as kind of "delicacy"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:20, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Let's believe ;) - Thank you today for Mick Jagger, "about Sir Michael Philip Jagger -- most commonly known by his stage name Mick Jagger. While studying to become an economist, he found success in a little known band he co-founded called the Rolling Stones in '62, which went on to be the most commercially successful band in history...with him at the helm. AllMusic and MSN have called him "one of the most popular and influential frontmen in the history of rock & roll" and Billboard has called him "the rock and roll frontman". He is best known for being the trailblazing lead singer of the Rolling Stones and half of the Jagger–Richards songwriting team, one of the most successful songwriting partnerships in history. According to Steven Van Zandt, Jagger's acceptance on pop radio "was a turning point in rock & roll. He broke open the door for everyone else." - "He received a knighthood in 2003, has been inducted into two music halls of fame (Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and UK Music Hall of Fame), and even had a 19-million-year-old species of water nymph named after him. Jagger's style has been studied by academics and his vocal delivery and his sense of pitch and melody have baffled other singers. He has either directly or indirectly (through the Stones) served as inspiration for many artists, including Taylor Swift, Jack White, Steven Tyler, and Iggy Pop; in 2011, Maroon 5 released "Moves like Jagger", a song inspired by his unique dancing style. Despite all this (there is much more I didn't cover) and the immense success he has achieved in life, he didn't let the fame get to his head; the late Charlie Watts described him as "the least egotistical person" who would "do what's right for the band"."! - Do you take flowers also, as kind of "delicacy"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:20, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

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Gurbaksh Chahal
Hello, I wanted to bring to your attention that is once again engaging in disruptive edits on the Gurbaksh Chahal page. Despite receiving warnings from admins, including yourself in the past, continues to make these edits. The latest edits specifically pertain to adding increased remarks to a Domestic Violence case that occurred more than 10 years ago and are still visible on the page.

's editorialized version:

Domestic violence and battery conviction Chahal was arrested in 2013 and charged with 45 felonies following an attack on his then-girlfriend. Video footage of the assault, taken by a camera in Chahal's bedroom ceiling, showed Chahal smothering the woman with a pillow and hitting and kicking her 117 times over a half hour period. In August 2013, the San Francisco District Attorney's Office (SFDA) charged Chahal with committing acts of domestic violence against his girlfriend. The video of the incident was ruled inadmissable in the case as there had been no warrant for its seizure. Chahal proclaimed his innocence but nevertheless entered into a no contest plea to one charge of domestic violence battery and one charge of battery. He was sentenced to three years' probation, ordered to pay a fine, and compelled to undergo a 52-week domestic violence training course along with 25 hours of community service. Subsequently, he was fired from his position as CEO of RadiumOne (Chahal alleged that his guilty plea was coerced by the board of RadiumOne). In 2016, after he committed acts of domestic violence against a second woman, the San Francisco County Superior Court found Chahal guilty of violating the terms of his September 2014 probation. The court sentenced him to one year in jail; he resigned from his position as CEO of Gravity4. The California State Appeals Court upheld the verdict in April 2018 and Chahal served six months in San Francisco County Jail.

The most recent version before the edits by at 19:21, July 31, 2022 was the status quo. has restored most of Chisme's disruptive edits, but this specific part still needs to be restored. I'm flagging it to your attention.

Domestic violence and battery conviction In August 2013, the San Francisco District Attorney's Office (SFDA) charged Chahal with committing acts of domestic violence against his girlfriend. Chahal proclaimed his innocence but nevertheless entered into a no contest plea to one charge of domestic violence battery and one charge of battery. He was sentenced to three years' probation, ordered to pay a fine, and compelled to undergo a 52-week domestic violence training course along with 25 hours of community service. Subsequently, he was fired from his position as CEO of RadiumOne (Chahal alleged that his guilty plea was coerced by the board of RadiumOne). In 2016, after he committed acts of domestic violence against a second woman, the San Francisco County Superior Court found Chahal guilty of violating the terms of his September 2014 probation. The court sentenced him to one year in jail; he resigned from his position as CEO of Gravity4. The California State Appeals Court upheld the verdict in April 2018 and Chahal served six months in San Francisco County Jail. 45.64.243.229 (talk) 15:39, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – August 2023
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Slowking4
I know this was a long time ago, but would you happen to have a link to the discussion on meta that you referenced in Special:Diff/1061104192? RoySmith (talk) 14:59, 10 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Managed to find it. m:Steward_requests/Global/2021-w50 The SandDoctor  Talk 15:02, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks. RoySmith (talk) 15:04, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Any time! I am glad that I was able to find it. I've made it a wikilink on the text for any future Qs about it. The SandDoctor  Talk 15:07, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

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Soft block?
Hi, are you really sure this user only need a soft block? This is an offensive username and only used for vandalism. -Lemonaka‎ 07:50, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry for the delay in responding. I got distracted and this slipped through the cracks until now. I took a look at the account's sole edit and while it was misguided with regard to the purpose of the list, I didn't take it to be "vandalism" so much as just inexperience; I didn't think that it rose to that bar. If another admin disagrees and wants to harden the block, I wouldn't interfere/object. The SandDoctor  Talk 06:37, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from Sadko
Hello TheSandDoctor, I hope that you are doing well.

Since I know you are an experienced bot operator, I have a request for your help. Namely, some time ago, on Wikipedia in the Serbian language, we replaced the form of the portal exclusively with the form of the portal bar, by wide consensus of Wikipedia editors. We did this work using my colleague's bot. However, a new problem arose on one part of the articles. The old form for the portal was massively placed in the wrong part of the article. Which is to say, now we have the portal bar placed in the wrong place, above the categories, instead of at the very bottom of the article. Our editors do not know how to massively, with the help of a bot, move this line of code to the bottom of the article. Could you help us and explain to our colleague how to do the much needed changes? Thanks in advance. —  Sadko  (words are wind)  01:31, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * So you're saying that the bot Milicevic01 created is functioning correctly but that the template was misplaced by humans on a number of articles, correct? Working off of that assumption, that is definitely an interesting conundrum. I do not know how this bot is coded, but presumably you could remove the portal's template from those articles and just re-append it after all of the page text/content? This would assume that it does not have any per-page parameters, though those could probably also be copied out -- perhaps with a regular expression. The SandDoctor  Talk 06:07, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * No it cant be re-appended because per-page parameters, regex is probably only option. I use Pywikibot. Examples, etc.
 * Regards Milicevic01 (talk) 07:39, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Exactly, human error, and the problem is present on 1/6 of all of our articles. I hope that there is some good way to go forward. Thanks for your comment. —  Sadko  (words are wind)  17:11, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * you might be able to get some inspiration off of the template work I did with TweetBot; the convert function probably does something similar to what you're looking at, at least for collecting the parameters/their content and how to remove templates. I would look into using pywikibot in conjunction with mwparserfromhell. The SandDoctor  Talk 18:34, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

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Question from Blue Butterfly Smells Like Cheese (14:53, 16 August 2023)
How can I create a draft? I read the Terms Of Use! --Blue Butterfly Smells Like Cheese (talk) 14:53, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, @Blue Butterfly Smells Like Cheese! The instructions are at WP:DRAFT. However, please read the concerns raised on your talk page before creating one. Hope this helps! Tails   Wx  (they/them) ⚧ 16:41, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

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