User talk:TonyTheTiger/Archive 32

template
All set. Now produces: The other codes are fr, us, and uk. I'll have a look at the people you posted on my page. Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:01, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

1. Should Emmanuelle Seigner, Sharon Stone, Jade Jagger, Elizabeth Hurley and Milla Jovovich have the template for modeling efforts. Strongest cases would be MJ who has the fmd link and EH who has returned to modeling.
 * I'm don't really feel that strongly, but I think Milla Jovovich yes for sure, the rest probably. If Sharon Stone never made it on when she was a model, and only later as an actress, then maybe not.

2. Is autocollapse working as intended for the template as a whole?
 * As far as I know, yes.

3. Is it possible to make the template recognize two parameters with a format such as ?
 * Yes, it is, but I think it's a bad idea. It would be ginormous when it gets opened. I always hate it when i click show and it's just overwhelming.

4. Do you want to create ?
 * Sure, maybe in a few days.

1. If I can do the 1990s for US next week can you find enough of the rest to go live with that template. (Chicago Public Library has microfilm. I was looking at bound volumes with missing pages last weekend.)
 * Probably not, this isn't my first area of interest and the rest will be much harder to track down because there aren't helpful lists. I suppose we'll have France (online archive), UK (online archive), and US (library). Maybe we could just have those three and comment out Italia until it gets built up more.

2. Do you know anything about pre 1987 vogue. I can not find the cover model in the table of content page. Where else would it be in the mag?
 * No, no clue.

3. FYI, it looks like I am going to have to hike to the Evanston Library to get before 1981, which is how far back CPL goes. Evanston goes to 1953.
 * Excellent.

4. Do you have thoughts on my SI Swimsuit Templates (User:TonyTheTiger/Template:2000-2009SISwimsuit and such)
 * I don't know, I'm not super in favor of navboxes as you know, but I think that the world of glamour models/sexy fashion models and high fashion models are quite different. (At least for the last decade or so, before maybe not so much.) The girls that model for Prada don't have the boobs to do Sports Illustrated. In this respect, they're linking two pretty different groups of people. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:40, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that was four different covers. (Maybe there was a different girl put on the front in each one?) Even if Lily Donaldson is somewhat commercial looking, most of the girls aren't. Generally they're bony, sometimes terrifyingly so (I think about 115/120 lbs, 5'11" is typical), and many of their faces are pretty strange. (Think Daiane Conterato or Sasha Pivovarova.) It's quite the look, though. I don't think I'd trade my body for theirs, but the clothes certainly look better on them! Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:11, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Selma Blair and Emily Mortimer are probably in a different league entirely because they're actresses rather than models. (They don't get on the cover of Vogue because they're beautiful and make the clothes look great, they get on the cover of Vogue because they're recognizable and will sell magazines and because they have a movie to promote.) Yes, "commercial" means conventionally good-looking. The distinction is enough that models.com ranks normal models (think Armani ads and Pucci runways) separately from "sexy" models (think Sports Illustrated and Victoria's Secret). Yes, there is some crossover, but that's the exception rather than the rule. Calliopejen1 (talk) 13:16, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

John Beilein - DKY hook disqualified
Your source does not confirm that John Beilein could not talk to his son, even though it may be more interesting. Therefore you hook is disqualified. Please fine a source that supports your claim. Thanks! &mdash; Mattisse (Talk) 04:10, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

A-Class discussion
Hi, we're starting the discussion on A-Class here today, thanks for signing up! I hope you can present your views. Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 07:15, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

GAN Fountain of Time
I have started to make notes on Fountain of Time in Talk:Fountain of Time/GA1.

Regards,

--  Chzz  ►  15:14, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Demographics section removed
Why was the Demographics section removed? Also what about the subsection on Religion? I had wanted to expand this part to resemble the articles on Los Angeles or Milwaukee--Orestek (talk) 23:56, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * My bad dear sir, in the Chicago article--Orestek (talk) 00:01, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Grazi. Just wanted to make sure that its removal wasn't the result of a joint move by WP:CHICAGO.

Fountain of Time
strikeout done --  Chzz  ►  04:13, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

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Wikipedia Signpost &mdash; 2 March 2009
This week, the Wikipedia Signpost published volume 5, issue 9, which includes these articles:


 * Books extension enabled
 * News and notes: Stewards, Wikimania bids, and more
 * Wikipedia in the news: Wikipedia's role in journalism, Smarter Wikipedia, Skittles
 * Dispatches: WikiProject Ships Featured topic and Good topics
 * Wikiproject report: WikiProject Norse History and Culture
 * Discussion report: Discussion Reports And Miscellaneous Articulations
 * Features and admins: Approved this week
 * Technology report: Bugs, Repairs, and Internal Operational News
 * Arbitration report: The Report on Lengthy Litigation

Delievered by SoxBot II (talk) at 08:50, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

letter from Bush
Tony - the photo of the letter left from Bush in the article Inauguration of Obama, seems out of context. Other than the caption, there is no relative text in the article. There is no sense of time when Obama looked at it. It is not part of the inaugural ceremonies. The only relevance is that the letter was left on the desk that day. I think the letter represents the "transition" and already is posted on the Presidential transition of Obama article as I stated in my reason for deletion. Thanks. Aaron charles (talk) 18:27, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


 * thanks. removed. btw- i like the map you added. Aaron charles (talk) 21:04, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Tony, sorry, not giving up on the article. Just very swamped at the moment with life issues. Aaron charles (talk) 17:29, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Fountain of Time
I love the before and after stuff.

I'll get back to you on the GA real soon.

Cheers.

--  Chzz  ►  18:49, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

PASSED

wd. Nice to work with you,

--  Chzz  ►  20:11, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi,

Regarding the GAN process, if you have a moment, I would appreciate feedback on how I did, as the reviewer. I am new to reviewing articles for GA, and you obviously have a huge experience of the process - please let me know if I did OK, and anything that could have been done better.

Many thanks,

--  Chzz  ►  14:35, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I've responded to your feedback on my talk, --  Chzz  ►  20:38, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

...again --  Chzz  ►  01:29, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Would that be midnight UTC? You mean, you need to get it improved by then? --  Chzz  ►  02:13, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I've added my support to the GTC. I've got about 1 hour of time free, so let me know if there's anything you'd like me to do. --  Chzz  ►  02:37, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi, OK, I see your questions in FoT talk. Apologies that the notes weren't clear; they were indeed rough thoughts I had during GA review. I will go through them, looking at your questions. I should have the time to do this within the next 8 hours. All the best, --  Chzz  ►  20:00, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Have replied inline, in there. --  Chzz  ►  01:55, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I've fixed the redirect links now; the only one that still gets flagged up with the FA tool is http://www.jstor.org/pss/1574334, which the tool claims needs a subscription, but it doesn't, so that'll be fine.

Re. infobox - I think 'construction' should be concrete and steel, thought I changed it before? maybe not. Do you agree? It does say, in the article, about the concrete being reinforced w/ steel. --  Chzz  ►  02:35, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I was playing around with the maps...and suddenly this big red rectangle appeared :-o So; the problem is, that tiger map thing will only generate a GIF file, and WP:IUP says a map should be in SVG format; the GIF can't be converted to SVG because it doesn't have SVG info.

I wonder if this will be an issue for FA? I'm not sure.

I could save them as JPEGs but I don't see the point; they'd just be bigger and no better - if anything, they could loose some quality. Not that they're very good quality anyway.

Best bet would probably be to redraw them from scratch, but that'd take a little time.

Another option would be to source a map elsewhere, but these ones aren't bad, I think - they do show the information you want.

Let me know what you're thoughts are on it.

--  Chzz  ►  03:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, will put stuff there when I have stuff to put. --  Chzz  ►  03:54, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

FAC
Good luck with it; I'll monitor for now, and !vote later. There's a few things I think need change, but don't know how, so I'll be interested to see the FAC critique process. One thing stands out - the pictures on the left, at the top of the sections. I think in 'planning' you'll have to remove one of the 2, and put it over on the Right. I expect pictures will be the biggest overall problem.

Best of luck, I'll watch it as closely as Time permits. --  Chzz  ►  12:05, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

One Museum Park
Do you happen to know if One Museum Park is still under construction? Zagalejo^^^ 20:23, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

publisher
Tvoz / talk 21:24, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Featured sounds
Hi! The first thing to do is to decide how you wish to go about creating the sound. Are you going to record a performance by you and/or others? Make a field recording? Restore a pre-existing public domain work? Use research to find free-licenced recordings already of suitable quality? All of these use different equipment and skills.

The most important thing for self-recorded featured sound types is the microphone. A poor microphone will add a lot of noise and distortion to a recording, ruining the sound before you start. Luckily, good microphones are usually fairly reasonably priced.

The other thing that applies to all but field recordings (that is, bird song, crickets chirping, a cat meowing, jackhammer noises, a train passing by - anything from out there that might add to an article) is watching copyright. Nothing's quite so annoying as thinking you have an exciting new sound, then discovering that, because the underlying composition (or, if not self-recorded, performance) was still in copyright, it  can't be used.

I suppose the best advice I can give you is to consider what type of thing you'd like to do - "sounds" is, after all, a pretty broad remit - then contact me and I'll try and give you some more advice. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 01:48, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm. The Lou Gehrig speech probably counts as copyrighted, unfortunately. The other two are a little ambiguous as well - does he count as acting as a member of the government or as a citizen on such occasions? Only in the former case are the speeches Public Domain.


 * Don't you just hate copyright? Luckily, there are some resources, for instance, Media copyright questions can probably help sort out the status of the Obama speeches. Once that checks out, we can probably move forwards, or at least find something else. =) Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 07:33, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Basically, the inauguration was a governmental event, and Obama became president during it - that's absolutely clear cut. But Obama's acceptance speech and convention speech were done at privately-hired convention centres, which means there's a small chance that they're considered to be copyrighted to Obama. They were, of course, for a governmental purpose, but I'm not sure whether they count as PD-USGov. So, basically, I'd like to have someone a bit more familiar with the intricacies of copyright law adjudicate on that first. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 08:45, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Try Media copyright questions, and see how that works. It may also be worth writing the government as well and asking about the status of one or both. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 11:02, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Ariel Meredith
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 * Does not meet WP:ENTERTAINER

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 * Sorted now I guess! Babakathy (talk) 18:41, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Very much so! Babakathy (talk) 18:46, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Ernest Hemingway project?
I am interested in starting am Ernest Hemingway project to improve content related to his life and works, and have proposed the project at WikiProject_Council/Proposals. Please share your thoughts there! kilbad (talk) 16:04, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

WP:ARS
Thanks for the tip, --  Chzz  ►  16:12, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Kobe Bryant
You do not think this article is too long? The Tim Duncan article is 66kb, Charles Barkley is 62kb, Magic Johnson 55kb, Oscar 35kb, Hakeem is 47kb, and Michael Jordan is 85kb. The Kobe Bryant article is already 72kb and contains an assortment of trivial information. I strongly disagree with its size and feel it can be made much more concise and potent. Video game covers and all that other fluff seems pointless. IMO. Zodiiak (talk) 02:20, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Eastwood, Nottinghamshire
My FAC was Eastwood, Nottinghamshire

There's absolutely no rush on this now.

The story is, some time ago I spent a lot of time developing that article, and read up all about FA. I worked towards that ideal, looking at similar articles that were FA, reading FA guidelines etc.

I was away from wikipedia for some time, and upon my return I started to look at it again, and decided I wasn't being bold enough, and should just bung it in for FA. I think, now, this was somewhat naive - as I'd hoped it was close enough that reviewers would help get it up to the standard.

As it stands, I know a couple of areas where it falls short, thanks to the minimal feedback I did get, so I can happily address those issues - specifically, there's an unreferenced section, the demographics could have even more stats (apparently! but that's do-able), it needs an Economy section - I haven't looked into that yet, a couple of parts are too much like lists, some paragraphs are too short, and maybe some sections are too short.

So, really, I do know what needs doing.

Of course, any input would be very welcome. What I'd love is, for someone to actually help edit the damn thing! I think I've spent too much time working on it, and can no longer see the woods for the trees.

But, as I say, no deadline whatsoever; I won't forget about it, as I have a grim determination to get it to FA one day.

Re. Obama, I had a quick look at that yesterday as I saw you were working on it. I will have a proper look now, and see if I can contribute at all.

Cheers, --  Chzz  ►  03:24, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Inauguration of Barack Obama
One thing that strikes me as weak is, in the "Missteps in administering the oath"; "The administration of the oath included several missteps, although news accounts about the exact sequence of events varied. According to one report,..."

I understand why you've done it this way, but it doesn't make sense, when the address is available for us to listen to - one of the press reports is clearly wrong.

I think this is important, as it's certainly an aspect of the ceremony that readers will focus on; I would suggest making your own mind up, and running with the refs that back that up, or majority refs, or somesuch; it would be more 'encyclopaedic', if you see what I mean, to state the facts.

(IMHO, as always)

--  Chzz  ►  03:33, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

More comments - hope it might help, feel free to ignore it all!

According to WP:LEAD, "as a general guideline", the lede should be 3 or 4 paras if the article is over 30,000 chars. This is over 50,000, so maybe lede should be bigger? (Very picky, but then again, FA is picky)

Similarly, they might suggest that the article and ToC is getting too large, and it needs to be split into Summary Style. Maybe. Just a comment.

"The inauguration of Barack Obama The above looks odd to me, because of the word "The" not being bold. As Inauguration is a verb, I think you could remove 'The', ie it could start off, "Inauguration of Barack Obama as the 44th President of the United States took place on..." ...which looks better, I think.

"With his inauguration as President of the United States, " Too repetitive, 'inauguration' for the 3rd time and US for the 2nd, Probably not necessary, just delete that phrase?

"The theme of the 56th inauguration " maybe "The theme of the ceremony" (again, to avoid repetition)

"The inauguration celebration began" maybe "The celebration began" (rep)

"Philadelphia, Pennsylvania" I think I'd prefer just "Philadelphia" because, to me (non-US) it looks like 2 places and is a bit confusing, and to US it'll be obvious. And the link clarifies it fully.

Re. train ride - maybe try to rework this to avoid repeating "train ride"

"the inaugural ceremony at the U.S. Capitol, an inaugural luncheon at ..." - would it be OK to just say "a ceremony at the U.S. Capitol, a luncheon at..."? Or, if not, just the 2nd, ie "the inaugural ceremony at the U.S. Capitol, a luncheon at..."

(I know I'm going on about repetition, but if you can loose some of it, I think it would be better - those first 2 para's say 'inauguration' or 'inaugural' 11 times)

I haven't read the whole thing yet, but it looks like the lede doesn't summarize the whole article, just the inaug itself, nothing about attendance/viewership/international attention/fund raising?

--  Chzz  ►  04:17, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

PLEASE RESPOND QUICKLY If POSSIBLE

The train trip needs a rewrite; would you like me to try and do it, or would you rather I work on another area? (No point in duplicating effort). Reason:

On January 17...Obama began a ...train ride...embarking on the train ride...activities began with a train ride to pay tribute ...re-enacting Lincoln's 1861 train ride to Washington...Lincoln's ride. Lincoln began ...train tour ...

etc. Lots of repeated info.

Let me know, ta.

--  Chzz  ►  04:46, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Heh; fair point. It's a bit tricky, but I'm doing. --  Chzz  ►  04:55, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm really struggling to put all of that info into reasonably short paragraphs without it sounding awkward. Maybe the section needs expanding a bit; there are some interesting points regarding Lincolns trip, because there was all kinds of unrest at the time - but then that would be well off the point of this article. It might be worth finding out more about the citizens that went along. Anyway, the following is the best I've come up with, but I'm not happy with it; maybe it'll give you an idea how to phrase it, or something. I don't like the way it keeps switching around in time, but I can't see how to start it without mentioning O first, then Lincolns trip, then back to O. Past inperfect is awkward. Also para 2 says he arrived, then there's the bit about FAA and what he did during the tour, then back to the arrival...it's all over the place really. usually I can think of a way to write this stuff; maybe it's because it's 05:46AM. Sorry I can't do better; I could probably do it better tomorrow if it's still needed. Here is the attempt, which I won't put on the article, because I'm really not happy with it;

Activities began on January 17, 2009, with a tribute to Abraham Lincoln. On February 11, 1861 the sixteenth president, also from Illinois, had begun the first phase of his train tour in Springfield, Illinois, and had arrived in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania on February 21, 1861. In the second phase of the tour, Lincoln had traveled to inauguration in Washington, D.C. by chartered train, stopping at 70 places along the way.

After holding a town hall meeting with a few hundred supporters at the 30th Street Station in Philadelphia, Obama reenacted this journey in the Georgia 300 presidential railroad car. Collecting Vice President-elect Biden at Wilmington, Delaware, they continued to Baltimore, Maryland, where Obama spoke to a crowd of around 40,000 people. The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) prohibited private planes, news helicopters, balloonists and others from flying near the airspace above the train route.

During the tour, Obama recited his trademark rejoinder "I love you back" in response to enthusiastic crowds. 41 American citizens participated in the journey and other inaugural events such as the parade, the swearing in and an inaugural ball - 16 invited citizens who had special stories, accompanied by their families.

Obama and Biden arrived at Union Station in Washington, D.C. at 7:00 p.m. EST.

--  Chzz  ►  05:48, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Anyway, according to my Chicago clock, I guess you'll be signing off any minute. I'll try and help further tomorrow. Looking through the article, there's an awful lot that needs a rewrite, for similar repetition problems, to get the prose up to scratch. I wonder if we could enlist a copy writer? Have you tried that? It's a pretty important article, I would imagine.

OK, speak soon, --  Chzz  ►  05:54, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Image licence mismatch
Hi Tony, for File:20081202 Rashid Johnson at the Rubell Family Collection.jpg the flickr licence (all-rights-reserved) and the GFDL one on the image page are rather different. Did you pick the incorrect image here ? - Peripitus (Talk) 06:32, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Great - I've added the OTRS pending template to the image. Somehow he reminds me of Lenny Henry...don't know why. - Peripitus (Talk) 06:45, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Why are they asking me to move it to commons before they tag it?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:30, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No idea on this. Moving to commons is good but I thought that it's better to get the OTRS tag correct here first to prevent issues. Whose doing this odd asking ? - Peripitus (Talk) 06:21, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Fix on main page day
I have to go out for a meeting tonight so will miss the first couple of hours, but I should be around for much of main page day and will help revert vandalism and answer questions.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:02, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

GAN for Thom Darden
I've reviewed the article and left notes on the talk page. I've put the nomination on hold for seven days to allow the issues to be addressed. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, here, or on the article talk page with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on. Ealdgyth - Talk 18:44, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

model navboxes
Glad someone has noticed your efforts! I guess it's an incentive to speed up progress on filling the template in... I didn't want to comment on the TfD until I had time to compile a list of sources, which I have done now. So we'll see how it goes. I figured it might be nominated for deletion... Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:06, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't have strong feelings one way or the other. I have a greater tolerance than others, as a general matter, for the work-in-progress state of wikipedia. (Hence all the angry messages on my talk page about me "dumping" public domain content here...) I think they should be reasonably complete, or they're not that useful. On the other hand, if we put them out before they're perfect, other passers-by may be able to help us finish them. Not sure how the balancing comes out in the end. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:20, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That link didn't work for me. (Took me somewhere without a picture.) Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:37, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No article either. Only:

Search Results for Boston Herald Edit Search | New Search Show Help Headline information for this article could not be found. Back To Results
 * Yep, looks like it's her.. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:55, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Apology
Actually all the edits were made on the same day. I'm quite sorry for causing all the trouble, sometimes we make stupid things, especially in groups. Best regards and nice editing to you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.164.224.192 (talk) 20:47, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Frankie Rayder
Shubinator (talk) 16:56, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Missy Rayder
Shubinator (talk) 16:56, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Fountain / Obama
Hi, just to let you know I haven't forgotten about FoT or the Obama FA thing; I've been working on a couple of my own pages, another GA and a copyedit - but it is on my list of 'stuff to look at when I get the chance'.

If you have any specific questions (about comments I made before, etc) then please ask on my talk.

Good luck with it all, and I will catch up ASAP. --  Chzz  ►  08:16, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

FoT revisited
Hiya,

As I get the chance, I'll be going over Fountain of Time. I've seen the comments in the A review, and will consider them.

If I have some thoughts, where should I post them? Here, or the talk page? I don't want to 'pollute' the A grade voting process with minor thoughts.

If I have ideas I can implement, I'll just go ahead and change it; feel free to change back etc.

One thought for now - in the leed, there's a couple of places where there are 2 references in a row. That's fine, but it would be neater to avoid it, if the 2 are not truly necessary. To an extent, this is a personal preference, but I've read somewhere that the leed doesn't even necessarily need references at all, if the facts are referenced in the body. I wouldn't go that far, but I'd avoid having 2 in a row - it would just look a bit cleaner.

All the best, --  Chzz  ►  19:30, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I understand your reply, will comment in A review, cheers. --  Chzz  ►  19:41, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Out of interest, I've just been playing around with the "wide image" and "panorama" templates; not altogether successful, but you might be interested to see User:Chzz/fountain.

I was trying to do the wide pic some justice, but I'm not convinced it works.

Oh - while I'm here, by the way...I don't think the "henceforth 'The Fountain'" thing works very well. I'll have a ponder about that.

I'm currently trying to re-word the 3rd para, about restoration; thoughts include;


 * Exposure to the elements necessitated repairs, but early attempts did more harm than good.


 * From 1990 until 2001, millions spent, efforts continue with lighting improvements


 * underwent corrective conservation


 * Over the years, weather has caused damage


 * The Fountain of Time has suffered the ravages of time ironically


 * The statue itself has suffered the ravages of time, and early attempts at repair did more harm than good.


 * In an appropriate irony,

Just thoughts. I'll keep you posted.


 * Reply - As I said, those were just thoughts, and 'out of interest' for yourself. I will indeed post to the review when I have some constructive, formed ideas. --  Chzz  ►  13:47, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

VS fashion show template
I think this one is not needed. Your list is probably the best way to link these together. This is really not such a huge achievement or defining characteristic as, say, being a VS angel. Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:50, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * But navboxes like "Chanel couture fashion show models" would be equally linking. The problem is there are simply too many fashion shows, so we can't create navboxes for all of them. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:14, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * gak, you're saying chanel couture is like shape and victoria's secret is like vogue??? Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:32, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh no, I'm not offended, I just don't agree with you. :) Yes, the Victoria's Secret fashion show is widely publicized. But I think the coverage of shows like Chanel in secondary sources is greater. Those shows are fodder for fashion magazines and fashion journalists in newspapers year-round. I gave Chanel couture as an example because (as of last year) there are only ten designers in the world that have couture presentations on-schedule in Paris, and Chanel is a storied, respected fashion house. If you are in this fashion show, you are the creme de la creme among high fashion models. Maybe a better analogy is like winning an award for your novel versus being on the bestseller lists? In any event, I just think that there are too many important fashion shows to start creating navboxes for them all. I really really don't think that Victoria's Secret stands out enough to create a navbox for. (And don't we already have the angels navbox and the SI navbox for this type of model?) Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:56, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry I can't lend my support for the VS navbox yet; I just think the angels box suffices. I may check out your FLC thing later. I never review featured lists, just because lists aren't interesting to me... so don't take it personally! Yes, fall fashion shows happen in the spring, and spring fashion shows happen in the fall. This is because they showcase clothing for the next season in time for buyers to place orders for retail stores. These shows happen throughout the year. Generally a house has a spring and a fall collection. Some houses have couture collections (one each for spring and fall). Most houses also have resort (winter, I guess) and pre-fall collections. These have previously not been publicized but now are getting more attention. These collections tend to be more commercial, while the other collections tend to be more conceptual. I may write articles on some fashion shows, but it would be kind of silly in my mind to divorce the concept of the fashion show from the article about the fashion house, because fashion shows are really just the way in which the house develops. Maybe individual fashion shows might merit articles. I did a lexis search and found 13 word doc pages' worth of news coverage (15 news articles) about just the last Chanel couture show. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:03, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

International reaction to the Inauguration of Barack Obama
Tony, do you want to keep the separate article International reaction to the Inauguration of Barack Obama and delete the text from the main Inauguration article? What do you suggest...put it under a see also? We should not maintain both. Thanks. Aaron charles (talk) 05:55, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Please disregard this. I reread your comment. Thank you. Aaron charles (talk) 22:57, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You can vote here: Articles_for_deletion/Log/2009_March_9. Thanks. Aaron charles (talk) 23:14, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Keep local file
I'm currently transferring all eligible FPs to Commons and came across this image, which requests to keep a local copy. Any reason for this? Calling from Commons is preferable for a free-use image. Also, I had to manually enter the URL to edit this page because all of your good article graphics overlap the edit button above. Anything you could do about that? Please reply on my talk page since I would have to manually add you to my watchlist. ~  ωαdεstεr 16  ♣TC♣ 19:40, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. And I figured out why the header overflows. I use a different skin than the default. It doesn't affect the default, but it does affect others. You may want to consider that. See the image at right for what I mean. I'll let you know when I'm done transferring and the locally hosted version of your photo is deleted. ~  ωαdεstεr 16  ♣TC♣ 05:03, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
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Re Articles for deletion/Faith in Place
Just a note that an article whose AfD you commented in is now the topic of a Deletion for Review discussion. Deor (talk) 02:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Cindy Crawford article and Vogue cover navigation templates
My reasoning was that the navigation templates are largely not about Crawford, they create a lot of clutter (especially if you think of the other magazines that could be added), and might be a misappropriation of navigation templates. Maybe this is a kind of quick and dirty list of Crawford's covers? There are better ways of adding this info. A separate list page wikilinked from the 'See Alsos' or from the article text would work very well. Diderot&#39;s dreams (talk) 21:04, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the root of all this one term: 'supermodel'. Certain editors just really don't like it, They say it's not in the dictionary, it's not actually a word, and so it can't be a job title.  I've been reversed for writing that Crawford is one, as well many anon editors that don't know it's not a word either.  For a nonword, it seems a lot of people use it in everyday speech.


 * Really what you want to do is create is navigation template for supermodels, but you can't because it's not a word. Your goal of linking Christy Turlington, Linda Evangelista, Cindy Crawford and other supermodels is a very good idea, and you can put the Vogue cover nav templates back if you like (FYI, there were three which is why I think they clutter things up, maybe you could skip the 2000's for Crawford?)


 * But I really think the thing to do is damn it all and make a Supermodel template, under Ignore All Rules, which definitely applies here, and other rationales. But I haven't seen the history of this, and of course it's got one.


 * Diderot&#39;s dreams (talk) 22:35, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Please Help!
Hi TonyTheTiger. I have been trying desperately to get my article Garden City High School (Kansas) up to an A article (or possibly even a featured article), but I am fairly vague with editing. I care passionately about this article because it is my alma mater. I know that you are extremely busy, but I thought I would ask you due to your amazing reputation. Thank you so much. Any help is greatly appreciated!

James Hutchinson Woodworth
Could you, perhaps, take a look at the recent changes made to Chicago Mayor James Hutchinson Woodworth? They are being done by an anonymous IP, who clearly wants to help, but there are so many problems with his style, etc. I've been making a few minor changes as he goes along, but mostly I've been figuring to wait until he was completely finished and then doing a complete re-write. Your suggestions/opinions would be appreciated. Shsilver (talk) 18:56, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

The antibarnstar
I would give you a barnstar, but I suspect you've had plenty. Have replied on my talk. WD. --  Chzz  ►  21:55, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

RE: Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Victoria's Secret Fashion Show models
Thought barely any users to read the top the user talk pages, I hope you should. FLC reminders are not nesscessary. Thanks in case though. --  SRE.K.A.L. | L.A.K.ERS ]] 03:37, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Assessing articles
Hi TonyTheTiger. I've been asked to assess [Jones Law Office]] and Woodson Law Office, because I assessed another article edited by User:Doug Coldwell. Howver, I'm not a subject expert in this stuff, and I'm not a member of either of the projects on the talk page. I had a quick trawl of members on the two WikiProjects, and your name jumped out at me as a member of WikiProject National Register of Historic Places, so I didn't know if you wanted to have a pass? I don't know what standards are operated in those projects, but for me they look a C or possibly a B, the lack of a good lead is all that concerns me, but I can't really address the content, just the look. Appreciate any help you can give. Hiding T 14:55, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas Forester
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First-person shooter
Hey hey Mr. Tiger,

I wondered if, with your knowledge of article catagories and suchlike, you might have advice for me.

I'm GA reviewing First-person shooter, and one issue is the infobox, which strikes me as somewhat 'non-standard' - or is it? Do other grouped articles have similar?

My feeling is, it might be better to create an infobox for these 'game genres' that has a picture of a typical example (ie, in this case, that freedoom screenshot) in the infobox, and loose that cartoon graphic.

Anyway, thanks in anticipation. Of course, any and all other comments would be very welcome - my latest 'round' of discussion is Talk:First-person_shooter/GA1.

Cheers,

(P.S. I haven't forgotten about FoT; it's almost top of my list now!) --  Chzz  ►  20:39, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I've been looking at that template. In your experience, do grouped articles use the infobox in the way the article currently does - i.e. to navigate the articles within the 'series', as it calls it? Or, would it be better if I modified the box and made it more similar to other infobox styles - i.e. listing the key features of the genre, if I can think of them. Maybe the sub-genre, the date of the first game, something like that? And change the pic to an example screenshot of typical game? --  Chzz  ►  21:00, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

John Beilein
I noticed that you restored a line which claimed that Michigan was in its final year of scholarship reductions when Beilein arrived. This is incorrect. It's true that originally, Michigan was supposed to lose one scholarship per year for four years, but the school successfully petitioned the NCAA to have all four lost scholarships retroactively applied to the 2001-02 team (which had only eight scholarship players as it was), arguing that its thin roster was already a consequence of the Martin scandal. From 2002-03 onward, Michigan has had the full compliment of 13 available scholarships every year. Funnyhat (talk) 22:25, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

ACC Basketball
The table I created on the talk page is based off the one from the Big 11. In response to your original request for a section on the tie-breaking procedures, I created that table and also C&P the tie breakers from the ACC. Through various edits, others felt the table and the C&P were unnecessary, and replaced it with a quick description of how the tie-breaking went down for this tournament. Really, I'm indifferent to how the information should be portrayed on the page. I like tables but I hate when a page is nothing but tables, as tournament pages tend to end up. If you feel that the table I created is warranted, add it back in by C&P'ing it from the talk page. Since I've added it once I don't want to start an edit war or anything. Regarding the ACC-Big11 Challenge, I have no idea how they come up with the match-ups, but I do know they usually release the schedule for it in the summer. Even though my Tigers sucked it up in this year's tournament, I hope we can make the tournament page and the season page into really concise articles. The ACC is the class of college basketball and our wikipedia pages should reflect that. Jober14 (talk) 23:38, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

strikeout request
Do you mean the comments in Talk:Fountain of Time? Please confirm, and if that's the case, I'll got through them now. --  Chzz  ►  16:15, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Strikeout was very fiddly, due to formatting within the section, so I've marked all of it as complete, and created a new section for my further comments. I hope that's made it clear enough. I'm sure you'll have noticed I made a couple of minor edits to the article; hopefully not controversial.
 * Cheers, --  Chzz  ►  17:53, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Michigan basketball scholarships
The source you added to the Beilein article (which is not an NCAA document; it is a study conducted by four professors with no connection to the situation) is incomplete and I am going to remove it. The sanction under which Michigan was supposed to lose one scholarship per year through 2007-08 was changed after the school petitioned to have the four lost scholarships retroactively applied to the 2001-02 team. I will try to find documentation but in the meantime you are going to have to take my word on this. I am 100 percent certain that Michigan had the full compliment of 13 scholarships in the last few seasons of Amaker, and in Beilein's first season. Funnyhat (talk) 18:34, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Map request for Fountain of Time
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Re: Beilein
I'm sorry, but I don't understand your request. Could you please elaborate? –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  04:00, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see now. Well, AfD is to discuss whether an article needs to be deleted. Any other result—such as merge or redirect—defaults to keep. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  04:06, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It wasn't against my decision; redirects or mergers should be discussed elsewhere, and when I close an AfD as keep, I have no opinion as to what happens from there. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  04:12, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

invitation
You're invited to sign up as a founding member, at WikiProject Council/Proposals ! :) doncram (talk) 06:21, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
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Good Luck to Michigan as well. May they have safe travels on their flight back tonight! ;-) Jober14 (talk) 20:41, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
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Perspective Correction
G'day,

I noticed you submitted many images to peer review. Many of them are architectural images. Perspective correction is generally regarded as a good idea for architectural images. I'd do it to any that you think would pass FPC. Noodle snacks (talk) 23:37, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I've used it a long time ago. A quick google reveals how to do it: . Obviously you want the perspective tool. Just get the verticals etc straight. Noodle snacks (talk) 00:16, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Too much, (note that the light poles now flay outwards). That particular image needs level correction (so the horizon is flat) more than perspective correction. Images like File:20070909_Regents_Park.JPG are the ones that really need perspective correction. Noodle snacks (talk) 04:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Uploaded a new version over the top, did perspective correction as I saw it, fixed the barrel distortion, levels, sharpening and crop (off centre composition was awkward). Noodle snacks (talk) 05:01, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, feel free to revert or whatever. Noodle snacks (talk) 05:03, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Adjusted the levels. The foreground lighting was dark compared to the sky and for an encyclopaedia the subject takes priority over the background. You can change it back if you'd like. More generally you'd shoot at the right time of day, or use photographic filters, or use exposure blending to achieve a good balance between the sky and subject. Noodle snacks (talk) 05:16, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, It'd be nice to have a rich blue sky, but the subject of the image takes precedence. I'd have probably tried to shoot the shadow with the sun behind me so it was clearer if possible. Looking at your images, a circular polarising filter could help get you deep blue skies on many images. Noodle snacks (talk) 05:25, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I realise that, and many point and shoots have filter threads (or cheap adaptors which provide them). You only need small filters too, so its usually quite cheap. The perspective seems to have been fixed for the most part on the edit. However, all of the buildings now seem to be leaning to the right. Noodle snacks (talk) 05:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Correct the barrel distortion first, and you might get a better result. Noodle snacks (talk) 06:11, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Not really, I have assignments to do at the moment. Noodle snacks (talk) 06:20, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably and http://www.google.com.au/search?q=gimp+barrel+distortion Noodle snacks (talk) 06:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Victoria's Secret Show
hey Tony, I just received your message of your question if I have sources of my victoria's secret model list addition. Check out www.vsholic.com - there's a gallery of victoria's secret fashion shows from 2000-2008 with all the models. Now I got a question: did you add the names like Lisamarie Costabile and Thalita de Oliveira to the list - don't add them there again when I cancel them, because there are NO such models! ;-)

Peace —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.224.67.99 (talk) 15:47, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

hey Tony!

Oh, you're right, but she wasn't at the 2006 Victoria's secret fashion show though ;-) And there were no Felita Franks or ingrid Schlau either! ^^ Could it be that you got your source from imdb.com?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.224.67.99 (talk) 15:58, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

hehe... imdb might be reliable but not in this case... trust me Tony, I'm a victoria's secret fan and I have watched all the shows from 1999-2008 and there was no Thalita Oliveira or Heidi Klum at 2006's show: By that time Heidi was PREGNANT! She couldn't have walked that year's show for sure! ;-)

there are no pics of the 1990's shows since they are hard to get, but I saw some of 1997 (but can't remember the website) and some footage of 1995's show where I recognized some models. ^^ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.224.67.99 (talk) 16:07, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Scandal
What is your obsession with using the pompous, uncommon title "University of Michigan basketball scandal"? First, pretty much everyone not named yourself calls it the "Ed Martin scandal." Second, the scandal is largely incidental to John Beilein's tenure and doesn't need a grand link title. Leave it alone. (I fail to see what your argument that it "involved the DoJ, FBI and IRS" has to do with Beilein here - those three did not call for the school to lose scholarships.) 24.11.127.26 (talk) 20:02, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

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Fountain of Time Images
See my response here. Sorry for the delay, I just noticed the message. ~  ωαdεstεr 16  «talkstalk» 21:18, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * In the future, I would suggest you upload all images to Commons, assuming they meet the copyright requirements. This will make things easy in the future. I'll start transferring tonight; I have no problem doing it. ~  ωαdεstεr 16  «talkstalk» 21:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

modelref fixed
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Talk:Frankie Rayder/GA1
Could you please respond below my comments, instead of interspersed? Cirt (talk) 23:09, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * To make this clearer: Please move comments below my sig, thanks. Cirt (talk) 23:23, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you! :) Cirt (talk) 23:45, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

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Removed Image



 * I removed your image: linkSorry but the language on the uploaders flickr page turned me off: link

"I think I yelled "RAPIST" really loud... " is on the description. I will not have this image used on Kobe's main article. JoeJohnson2 (talk) 09:40, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Oops! Really sorry about that, didn't notice I removed a post. And yeah I found a better and more suitable picture for the article link. Thanks anyways. JoeJohnson2 (talk) 15:43, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Much better man! Hey, is that your flickr account? JoeJohnson2 (talk) 06:02, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah I see.. Just double-checked your recent edits on the Kobe Bryant article and I believe you incorrectly labeled those images..

1st: Bryant and Baron Davis have never played each other in a playoff series so your title on the mutliple image "Images from 2008 NBA Playoffs" is incorrect.
 * I just went by the flickr date of June 2008. June is playoff time. I sent a request for the proper date.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:46, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

2nd: Bryant hasn't worn an armband sleeve this season, infact is from the 07-08 WCF Finals.
 * The image had a date from this season. Wasn't that an image you added.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:46, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Hope you fix these issues up. Peace. JoeJohnson2 (talk) 06:33, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Just so you know I posted in the description page of that image, So we can keep track of it. JoeJohnson2 (talk) 06:36, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Eh.. I'm removing the image, I see no purpose for it. JoeJohnson2 (talk) 08:08, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you are missing the point. The majority of the pictures are dead actions shot (the clock is stopped).  There is one of him on defense where the clock may be live. Other than that there are only two live action shot of him in the field of play plus one of him jumping out of bounds.  One shows him shooting and the other shows him dribbling and it is the only image of him with his tongue wagging.  When I get the date right do you have a problem with me adding it back.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 08:14, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Why don't you use this image as your action shot? sorry but that other picture is just pointless. JoeJohnson2 (talk) 08:17, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't recognize the guy on defense. Is he an All-Star?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 08:21, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Bruce Bowen is an All-Defensive 1st Team memeber in the 2007-08 Season along with Bryant, and the Lakers played them in the WCF. Also there's enough images with Bryant in a away Lakers jersey. This image is better. JoeJohnson2 (talk) 08:25, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Bowen still counts as a 37 guy who has never been an All-Star and Davis is a 29 year old guy who has been an All-star and All-NBA player multiple times. There is plenty of room for both pics though.  In truth the bad picture is the one of the five guys standing that is out of focus.  That would be the one I would remove.  I would probably keep both the Bowen and the Davis and ditch the one that is out of focus.  Why do you want an out of focus pic when you have such good sharp pics?  Additionally the Bowen pic is redundant with the free throws as being from the same day.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 08:33, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry but the Finals Image needs to stay, every image has a purpose and that Baron Davis image does not fit. Baron Davis has not been an All-Star since the 2003-04 NBA Season, while Bowen has been the primary defender against Bryant for 5 playoff series. The Baron Davis image serves no purpose and is a waste of space in the article.

And about this image being from the same day as that other image, well look at those images with Kobe in a #8 jersey, both images were from a Bucks game at the same day. JoeJohnson2 (talk) 08:41, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I think I am missing something. You don't want to have any pictures in the article of Bryant opposing a former All-star? Davis is certainly a much higher caliber player than Bowen although I don't follow the ins and outs of series. I could support the inclusion of Bowen because experts of the game would recognize Bowen as a five series primary defender. However, the less attentive fan such as myself sees Bowen as a non-All star who likely will forever be a non-All-star. Until you find pics of Bryant against other All-stars in sharp focus with the tongue wagging, Davis' image certainly serves a purpose. How many people that read the page do you think know Bowen as an All-defensive player. His own WP bio does not even mention it. How many people recognize Davis as a former All-Star and All-NBA player. Probably a lot more since such a fact is important enough to appear in his WP bio.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 08:50, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Michael Redd is an All-Starlink and there's already a picture with he and Kobe in the article. JoeJohnson2 (talk) 08:52, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * They are waiting for an inbounds in all likelihood. That is not an action shot.  There is no tongue-wagging signifying that anyone is about to get G'ed up. When basketball players tongues start wagging it means nasty stuff is going to happen.  You need an tongue wagging action shot against an All-star.  Not an out-of-focus shot awaiting an inbounds pass against one.  Granted Redd might be at a higher level today than even Davis, however.  Although, I don't usually get too involved in the decision making of this page, I have no understanding of why the only sharp focused tongue wagging All-star pic should be removed.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 09:00, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Caron Butler is also an All-Star, both Redd and Butler's appearances at the All-Star game have been more recent and both are in the article. Again, I fail to see what purpose that Baron Davis image serves. JoeJohnson2 (talk) 09:07, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * P.S. I am going to sleep.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 09:01, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Haha...no bother arguing so much when there are only two users involved with the conversation. Now, from my stand point, TonyTheTiger wants a picture of Bryant being defended by an All-Star, while JoeJohnson2 wants an image related to the section of where the picture is...(I think). By the way, I cant find both the images on the article...which section are you guys talking about again? --  SRE.K.A.L. | L.A.K.ERS ]] call me Keith 17:00, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * So TonyTheTiger, tell us why you really want it in the article. JoeJohnson2 (talk) 19:08, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You should ask yourself the same question. --  SRE.K.A.L. | L.A.K.ERS ]] call me Keith 19:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I've already made my reasons against it clear above. TonyTheTiger still has not given me a valid reason as to why he really really really wants it included in the Kobe Bryant MAIN article. JoeJohnson2 (talk) 19:27, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

RE: Wikipedia:WikiCup
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My header is attacking me!
Hey there once again! Take a look at my userpage. Do you see what I see? It looks like my header has gone and attacked and scrambled the page! Frankly, I have no idea how to fix this, and I figured since you have such a nice header, maybe you'd be able to help me out! My header is here. Do you know what I'm doing wrong? Thanks! CarpetCrawler (talk) 16:38, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents
I have started a discussion about his ownership behavior on this page.— Chris!  c t 20:47, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Important?
How is iJustine being in NC when the iPhone came out "important"?

She's a lifewaster err..."Lifecaster", so what? Why is it important? Is that article going to list where she was everytime something in the world happens? --seattlehawk94 (talk) 00:13, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

If I could
But I don't know how to make a page.Just the editing part,If I could make a perfect page then I would have added alot pages on here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Forrestdfuller (talk • contribs) 03:45, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

I will. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Forrestdfuller (talk • contribs) 03:55, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the message! I created 2008-09 Connecticut Huskies men's basketball team yesterday since there wasn't one. I'm new to the Wikipedia community and didn't know how to ask other members questions, so thanks for dropping me a line! SpeculumXL (talk) 06:03, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Big East page
Whoops, misread your suggestion and thought you meant make an 08-09 UConn Huskies page. I'll try and make an 08-09 Big East season page in the next few days, but that'll definitely take some work. Thanks again for the suggestion! SpeculumXL (talk) 06:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That makes sense about getting it up and running. Do you know of any templates I can use where the data/info is automatically filled in when displayed on a page I were to create? I found the conference standings template which helped out a lot, but had to manually make a roster table on the 08-09 UConn Huskies page, which took me awhile. If you know of any pre-made templates that automatically fill stuff in (AP rankings, game results, etc.), they would help out a lot. Also, if nothing like that exists or isn't possible, please let me know since all this Wiki formatting is still foreign to me haha. SpeculumXL (talk) 06:39, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the table. I'll look for an appropriate place to put it. I got started on 2008–09 Big East Men's basketball season and will try and find some Big East contributers to help out with it. SpeculumXL (talk) 08:07, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Fountain of the Great Lakes
Hi there! I noticed that the GAN didn't really give you much of a review. Although the article looks fine to me, may I suggest that you send it to WP:Peer review to check if there are any outstanding issues? Take care. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 16:22, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Re:Northrup R. Knox
Well, now that I look at the edits closely....well, I have restored the original version. Thanks for pointing that out. - Fastily (talk) 01:25, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Re:2008–09 SEC men's basketball season
Sure, I could help. ~ Richmond 96  t  •  c   12:59, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

2008–09 Pacific-10 Conference men's basketball season

 * Thanks. Don't think there's much support for it. We don't even have support for annual season pages for all the Pac-10 teams, including the top ranking teams. An idea would be to incorporate the tournament into the conference season page. Ucla90024 (talk) 17:24, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Started. Will add more soon. Ucla90024 (talk) 18:02, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It's time consuming. The Standings and schedules use Coaches Polls. Ucla90024 (talk) 20:30, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

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Fountain of Time/Washington Park
I did some digging and replied at User talk:Doncram to keep response together with question. Hope this helps! doncram (talk) 21:28, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello?
Who are you. Er... I mean, why do you go sending messeages like -

Thanks for your contributions to Hull House. Unfortunately, you failed to properly reference your addition. I have removed it (by hiding it). Please find a proper source before replacing it in the article.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:28, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Are you a "moniter?"

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Thanks!
Thank you for your participation in the Spring 2009 GAN backlog elimination drive, in which you reviewed 2 articles. Great work! —The participants on the Spring 2009 GAN backlog elimination drive 21:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)}}

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