User talk:TonyTheTiger/Archive 71

accusations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Good_article_nominations#X_on_Twitter

This is a quote from above..."had some problems in the past with TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs) and seems he is causing a lot of trouble through all Wikipedia:

The author of this quote also is attacking me. This is too bad. TeacherA (talk) 03:30, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

TB
-- Hahc21 [ TALK ] [ CONTRIBS  ] 03:43, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Tony,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:20090524 Buildings along Chicago River line the south border of the Near North Side and Streeterville and the north border of Chicago Loop, Lakeshore East and Illinois Center.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on July 12, 2012. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2012-07-12. — howcheng  {chat} 18:55, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Foo on Twitter articles
Hi. Can you please go about improving the multiple foo on Twitter articles you've created, blowing them out and adding sources to them? When I first noticed you creating them, it gave me real concern because the topic was so contentious and people so clearly do not believe they are worthy of an entry despite the abundance of sources. The only way to inoculate them from this argument until people leave the articles alone is to make them so obviously WP:GNG proof that it makes it hard to argue for their deletion. (Hence why I have removed non-newspaper citations inserted into the Bieber and Gaga articles, unless the information is supported by other sources.) Instead of working towards this, you're adding infoboxes, adding sources that don't necessarily help with notability and not adding content to the articles. And then when problems happen on the articles you work on, you cited Biebs and Gaga as examples instead of improving those articles.

Short version: Please add a shit ton of sources that help with notability to Ashton Kutcher on Twitter and Barack Obama on Twitter. --LauraHale (talk) 23:19, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Portrait of Madame Cézanne
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:02, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Blue brushstroke/Mermaid stalled nomination
Hi Tony, sorry that I failed to come up with an alternative that we can both agree on, and to have taken so long to give up on it - I've asked for a second opinion. Mikenorton (talk) 20:48, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Roto Broil
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

‎Template:Did you know nominations/4 2012 Pulitzer Prize Winners
I'd love to, but I was hoping it is rejected in favor of split discussions. Also, as said before and I should have explained earlier, the hook is too long and not that interesting to read or care, and I'm not sure if re-editing the hook is needed. The hook also has too many relevant points to summarize. --George Ho (talk) 04:06, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there anything wrong with my separate hooks (ALT 7)? You prefer original, which I thought looked too lengthy and... not that interesting. --George Ho (talk) 17:08, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Non-free content review
How is WP:NFCR redundant to WP:FFD? I just nominated all non-free screenshots of Hill Street Station for review, not deletion. --George Ho (talk) 20:41, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * NFCR and FFD are not the same. I would have nominated one of your uploads for deletion, but I chose review because I have doubts that it would pass NFCC, yet someone may disagree. With NFCR and three more screenshots, we can wait until each either passes or fails NFCC. --George Ho (talk) 20:48, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Will Venable
Would you be able to re-expand the article soon? There's virtually nothing about his career post-2008, so I can't see it remaining a GA; I'll probably put it up for reassessment soon if no expansion is made. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 23:13, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the nudge.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:37, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Tyler Lockett
Tony, I have restored most of the changes you have recently reverted to the Tyler Lockett article. Here's why:

Infobox

1. He's no longer a freshman as of the end of the 2011–12 school year; he's now a rising sophomore for the 2012–13 school year.
 * I would hesitate to promote his class since he is coming off a season ending injury and there is a possibility of him redshirting. I generally wait until the end of August or early September before promoting class.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:18, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * In the grand scheme of things, this is minor. However, as of the end of the 2011–12 school year, he's no longer a freshman, regardless of his injury status.  He's either a healthy sophomore who plays or an injured sophomore who doesn't play this fall.  If he redshirts, he will be a redhsirt sophomore.  If it's a question of timing as to when we uniformly update the class status of all CFB player bios, I will gladly defer to WP:CFB policy or consensus.Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:57, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If he redshirts, he will be a redshirt freshman during the 2012 season and a redshirt sophomore during the 2013 season. I don't update players until their season begins (around early September). I don't know what policy is, but don't feel I am doing anything unusual.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:37, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * His KSU roster profile says he is a sophomore. He can't be a freshman or a redhsirt freshman because he has already exhausted his first year of NCAA eligibility.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:CFB needs to set a policy on whether one advances classes, when the school year ends, when practice starts, when the school year starts, when the season starts or when you play your first game. This is even more important for winter and spring sport athletes, but not for CFB to worry about in that regard. Not worth fighting about. The only problem is that now I am going to forget to read his text and change it to talking about his sophomore season for the 2012 team.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:19, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Raise the issue at WT:CFB. I'll support a uniform time for updating class status.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 12:40, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Lede

2. The previous lede was ridiculously long and overly detailed, especially for a relatively short article, and was chock full of random factoids, few of which are the actual reasons for Lockett's notability. For example, the lede prior to my edits mentions that both his father and uncle played for Bill Snyder's K State football team. Why would that be in the lede? The lede should be a brief statement of the reason(s) for a subject's notability and a brief summary of the article. The lede should not attempt to regurgitate every detail from the article or cite every minor award or honor received by the subject person. Biographical details of other family members almost never contribute to a subject's notability and are rarely worth mentioning in the lede. That's trivia.
 * 2a. His father and uncle should be in the WP:LEAD as they are for half of the stories about him in the press. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:18, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:LEAD states "The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview. It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable . . . .  The emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic, according to reliable, published sources, and the notability of the article's subject is usually established in the first few sentences."  Notwithstanding that "half of the stories" about Lockett mention his father and uncle, we still have to use our judgment as writers and editors as to what to include in the article and the lede.  Lockett is a star college football player in his own right; prominently mentioning his family members in the lede detracts from the reasons for his notability and the summary of the article's major points.  Ask yourself this: Is the fact that his father and uncle also played for K-State so large a part of his personal history that it deserves mention in a three or four-sentence summary of his life?  Does his father and uncle's history somehow make Lockett more notable?  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:57, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * As evidenced in the content of my version of his article his father and uncle are a huge part of his life and part of the summary of his article. Additionally, many Big 12 fans, especially K State fans may be looking for him. It is quite common on WP to note famous relations in the WP:LEAD for this reason.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:37, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Tony, I would love to include a meaningful description of the important family relationships with his role model father and uncle, but that's not what your article provides. It says that his father and uncle played for K-State, notes their college records, and says that Lockett sought advice from them.  Describe the substance of those meaningful relationships and how they have impacted his life and football career in the article and I will stand up and cheer.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * BTW, the practice of randomly including famous relatives in the lede of sports bio articles without a good reason is a bad practice. It was started by a couple of WP:NFL/MLB editors (who shall remain nameless), and I have deleted such references from virtually every one of the 3,000+ NFL, CFB and other sports bios I have edited.  I have yet to find a knowledgeable editor who will defend the practice.  This information invariably fits better in the "early years" or "personal" sections.  Based on the article summary purpose of the lede, I would only feel right about including a family member in the lede to the extent such family member was a major subtopic of the article.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I disagree (currently working on updaing Will Venable). I think it belongs in a personal section (which also needs to be highlighted in the LEAD).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:19, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Looking at random famous sons to see what is standard starting with Ken Griffey, Jr. (2nd paragraph), Barry Bonds (1st paragraph), Peyton Manning (1st paragraph), Ken Norton, Jr. (2nd paragraph), Anthony Dorsett (2nd paragraph), Jalen Rose (not in lead), Luke Walton (1st paragraph), Laila Ali (1st paragraph), Mark Howe (1st paragraph) and Al Unser, Jr. (not in lead). 8 out of 10 have it in the LEAD. It seems to be pretty commonly accepted that the famous relations belong in the LEAD.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:25, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Tony, I don't doubt that it's a common practice, but that doesn't make it a good practice. It's also contrary to WP:LEAD, which says that the two main purposes of the lede are to provide a concise summary of the article, and to establish the reasons for the subject's notability.  I don't see anything about providing links in the lede for the convenience of interested fans of the subject's notable family members.  If the family members play a significant part in the article, then their role in the subject's life should be concisely summarized in the lede.  If the family members get a sentence in the article, mentioning their family relationship to the subject, probably not; then it's just trivia that some editors think is "cool."  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 12:40, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I disagree strongly. If you believe your opinion is correct even though the majority of pages have achieved consensus with relations included, you should bring this to a larger audience to try to make this an issue that many editors try to correct. I personally believe that being related to a notable person is a part of what LEAD seeks to present. It is one of the first things a person may look for in an article. I often navigate to the page with the first thought "is this so and so's dad/son/etc?"--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:39, 7 June 2012 (UTC)


 * 2b. The coach could be removed.
 * Agreed. IMO, adding the name of subject player's coach to the lede is unnecessary detail.  If the player's coach is truly notable (and Bill Snyder is), mention of the coach fits better in the "college career" section.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:57, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Let's keep in mind the primary reason for the subject's notability: he was an outstanding college football player who received consensus All-American honors. In the absence of the first-team All-American recognition, the subject would probably fail WP:COLLATH and WP:GNG and the article would be subject to AfD deletion. A well-written lede will usually include a concise statement of the primary reasons for the subject's notability in the first sentence or two. Why is Lockett notable? In one sentence, he is a college football player who was a consensus All-American as a true freshman. That's why.
 * 2c. Reread WP:LEAD. The objective is to summarize the article not the subjects notability. There is more to the article than his consensus AA status.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:18, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Tony, I thought I was pretty clear in the first paragraph above: "The lede should be a brief statement of the reason(s) for a subject's notability and a brief summary of the article." Nowhere do I say that the only purpose of the lede is to state the subject's notability; it is, however, one of the two major purposes expressly identified by WP:LEAD.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:57, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It is a fairly standard policy of mine to refuse to promote WP:GACs that don't summarize each section of an article in the WP:LEAD. This article is not summarized without a summary of his high school career given its contents are a significant portion of the article. This is advice I got from the Director of WP:PR and have used for years.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:37, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Good rule of thumb. I've restored a brief mention of his high school career to the lede.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

3. The revised lede links to "American college football player," not "American football player" because an applicable link should usually be to the most specific subcategory for which a Wikipedia article exists. Lockett is notable as a college football player, not as high school player or professional player. This can be changed if and when he actually plays in a professional league.
 * You may be right.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:18, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

4. The previous lede mentioned his second-team and honorable mention All-Big 12 honors at different positions, neither of which is a major award or honor, nor among the primary reasons for his notability. Details like these belong in body text, not the lede.
 * See 2c.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:18, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Generally, see my response to items 2a and 2c above. Specifically, secondary honors are not highlights deserving of mention in the lede.  The guy was a first-team All-American kick returner; there is no need to include honorable mention all-conference honors for a different position in the lede.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:57, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * In order to summarize his article we need to clarify that he was good at several positions.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:37, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The first sentence of the lede already says that he is a "wide receiver, punt returner and kickoff returner." As you know, it is not at all unusual for backup wide receivers to excel as kick returners.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * We need to say he excelled at various positions. A lot of people play multiple positions and star at only one. In the lead, we need to summarize what he stars at and this enables us to do so objectively.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:19, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * What exactly does not "excel" mean to you? Lockett was an honorable mention all-conference selection at wide receiver.  There were three first-team WR selections, three second-teamers, and five honorable mentions (see ).  Kinda-sorta that means he was among the 11 best receivers in a 10-team BCS conference; extrapolate that to the six BCS conferences, and that kinda-sorta implies he was among the 65 best receivers in the country in 2011, perhaps among the top 75+ when all Division I college football teams are factored in.  Still think his honorable mention all-conference honors need to be mentioned in the lede?  However you slice it, it's still very much a secondary honor.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 12:40, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * In this case excellence may only mean he is in the top 20% of wide receivers who get significant playing time and top 10% of those on scholarship, but that is good enough to merit a distinction in the LEAD. It would mean that as a true freshman, he was the best returner in the country and among the top 10% of scholarship wide receivers in the Big 12.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:39, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

5. The previous lede mentioned the fact that he failed to qualify for NCAA category-leading stat because he only played in nine of thirteen games. Why would we mention an honor he failed to receive in the lede? By including this, it read like it was written by a family member who was making excuses and did not strike an appropriate NPOV tone. This is another example of a detail that belongs in main body text, not the lede.
 * His most important statistical accomplishment is nearly being the NCAA leader, IMO. see 2c.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:18, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Undoubtedly, this is why he received All-American honors. Let's include a brief summary, without making excuses or saying what he didn't "win."  Something like "Through the first nine games of his freshman season, Lockett led the nation in average yards per kickoff return."  Probably should immediately precede the All-American honors.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:57, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I would add
 * that he was injured and only played nine games--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:37, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * that this was higher than the eventual NCAA statistical champion.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:37, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I have restored his college statistical leader status. Further expounding his injury and ineligibility for the "official" NCAA stat category lead smacks of excuse-making; this guy doesn't need any excuses for not "winning" the official stat lead.  He was a consensus All-American&mdash;everyone gets that he's a great athlete.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I kind of disagree, but I'll let this one go.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:39, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

6. The previous lede also mentioned his high school team championships. While high school accomplishments rarely contribute much to a subject's notability, I could go either way on this, if a brief mention of his high school exploits is included as a brief summary of the article. Rattling off high school all-conference, all-district, all-state, etc., honors in the lede is rarely appropriate. If you want to re-add a mention that he was a member of two state championship teams in high school, I would not object.
 * See 2c.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:18, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * As I said above, I would not object to restoring a brief (probably one sentence) summary of his high school career, the most noteworthy aspect of which was the three state championships.
 * Agreed. However, IIRC some of your changes regarding this matter made the main body redundant.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:37, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * As mentioned above, I've restored a brief summary of his high school career to the lede per item 2c above. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Why aren't we mentioning the high school association?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:58, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * "High school association?" Do you mean the OSSAA?  If so, why would we insert "Oklahoma Secondary School Activities Association (OSSAA) championships" into the lede and then have to explain with OHSAA is, and that those championships are really state championships?  Those details are best left to the main body text, if mentioned at all.  You've got to balance random details in the lede vs. the lede's purpose as a concise summary of the article's major points.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 12:40, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the whole LEAD is written slangily. "Led the nation" s/b Led NCAA DI. "consensus All-American" should be a 2011 NCAA DI consensus All-American.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:39, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Early years

7. Before my edits, the second sentence of this section included "He worked out regularly with his father before fall football camp." What "football camp" are we talking about? Why is this worth mentioning? Is there some missing detail that makes this relevant? If so, please add the missing detail. As it stood, it read like it was something cut and pasted from another source. I have also added introductory detail regarding his high school that makes sense of the previously incoherent paragraph.
 * Fall football camp. Generally in high school and college football starts in August, fall may be a bit off. I will have to go back and check the source.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:18, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That would be helpful, but if we're going to restore the deleted sentence, it needs to be expanded to provide missing details sufficient to explain the relevance of "football camp" to his high school career. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:57, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * This content may belong in the personal section.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:19, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Whether it goes in the "early years" or "personal" section, it still needs further explanation and development of its contextual relevance. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 12:40, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The source is there. What do you think is necessary?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:39, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

8. The section previously included "Growing up, he sought advice from both his father and his uncle." Well, he probably did. Got a source for that? What advice did he seek? On what subjects did he seek advice? Why was that advice relevant to his football career? In the absence of further language that explains the "advice," it's just unsourced filler. If you have a source and can explain the relevance, please include them in your own edits to the article. Remember: every fact in a BLP is subject to being removed when it's unsourced.
 * Everything in the article was sourced from online material. Check it out.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:18, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Tony, the major point is the deleted sentence is vague and adds no real information to the article. The minor point is that it's unsourced, and is subject to being deleted for any reason.  No footnote = unsourced.  It's not the reader's job to find BLP sources.  If there were some meaningful substance to the deleted sentence, I would have looked for a source to add in a footnote.  As the sentence stands now, it's meaningless filler.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:57, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If you think a sentence is unsourced it is because consecutive sentences shared a source.
 * I do not find this content unencyclopedic. It is different than say Jalen Rose who never spoke to his NBA father. Not everyone has role models like that to get advice from.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:37, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Tony, I'm sympathetic to your perspective, and I understand what you're trying to do. It's similar to the reason why I always include college jocks' degree information when they graduate.  Yes, kids need role models, and, yes, it would be nice to describe Lockett's relationship with his father and uncle in detail.  See my last comments to item 2a above.
 * More personal section content, IMO.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:19, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * My personal opinion is that if you have the substantive material to describe the important influences of his father and uncle on his "early years," why wouldn't you incorporate that into the chronological "early years" section and explain the importance of these role models during his early development as an athlete and a person? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 12:40, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That is acceptable.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:39, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

College career

9. I have included an introductory sentence for his college career, including a statement of his university, his football team, his head coach, and his years of play. Do you really object to this?
 * The change was so drastic (and incorrect) that I reverted.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:18, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Tony, here is the introductory sentence added at the beginning of the "college career" section: "Lockett received an athletic scholarship to attend Kansas State University, where he has played for coach Bill Snyder's Kansas State Wildcats football team since 2011. Both his father and uncle played college football for K-State."  What part of this section introduction is incorrect?  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:57, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The way you have added it, it remains a.) unsourced and b.) a one-line paragraph needing to be merged or expanded.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:37, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, it was a two-sentence paragraph, and now it has three sentences . . . and footnotes. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:19, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

10. In the second paragraph, I fixed the improper capitalization of two honors. If you want to cite the actual proper names of the awards, they may be capitalized as appropriate (e.g. "the Big 12 Offensive Freshman of the Year," and "second-team All-Big 12 selection"), but generic descriptions like "conference offensive freshman of the year," and "all-conference second team selection" are not capitalized. Presumably, you do not object to proper capitalization.
 * Probably meant to be capitalized as pronouns for the actual awards.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:18, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you mean by "pronouns" here. The most commonly used pronouns include subject pronouns (e.g. I, he, she, it, they, we), object pronouns (e.g. me, her, him, it, them, us), and possessive pronouns (e.g. my, his, her, its, their, our).  They are shorter substitutes for proper nouns, and are typically used to avoid repeatedly using the same proper noun over and over again in prose.  Only the first-person singular pronoun (i.e. "I") is properly capitalized.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:57, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I may have my part of speech wrong. What I mean is substitute for the full title. President of the United States Obama should still be capitalized as President Obama. You do not have to have a full title to retain capitalization. When substituting use for the capitalized full name, the shorter name is still capitalized. However, president is not always capitalized&mdash;only when it is substituting for the full title. All-Big 12 Conference could be shortened to All-Big 12 or All-Conference depending on the context.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:37, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * "Big 12" is the short version of an easily identified proper noun. The word "conference" is not a proper noun, and could easily refer to the ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, SEC, etc.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It looks good now.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:19, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Personal

11. Can we consider merging the substance of the "personal" section into the "early years" and "college career" sections? Separate "personal" sections usually create an awkwardly artificial separation of information and a non-chronological paragraph of random facts dumped at the end of an article. It's not the most elegant way of doing things. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * See my comments regarding considering adding additional content to the personal section. I am highly averse to reformatting away the personal section. It is difficult to build a personal section for many notable athletes. Often players with long pro careers even have sections this short. To have one this long for a college freshman (or sophomore as you say) is a good sign that we may be able to build a substantive personal section. Let's not tear it down.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:19, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It's my personal preference to incorporate family information into the chronological narrative when it makes sense to do so. If you want to do otherwise in this article, that's your call.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 12:40, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Family stuff unrelated to football belongs in personal.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:39, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Tony, as a courtesy to you, I have taken considerably more time to explain these edits than it took to make them. If you have any problems with these edits after reading the explanations, I ask that you discuss them before reverting them again in a wholesale fashion. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 10:00, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Tony, I have reincorporated your comments from my talk page here, so we can more easily follow this discussion. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:57, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Brushstrokes
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:03, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Not Sure What This is Referring To?
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at A House Divided (Dallas). Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:16, 26 April 2012 (UTC) Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Dallas (1978 TV series). Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:16, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

These messages were left back in April...not sure what they are referring to? I have added some info to the "Dallas" page, and what I added was only a small bit of "technical" info that was correct. I also did not delete or "vandalize" anything. (174.70.168.111 (talk) 05:33, 5 June 2012 (UTC))

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Here We Go Again
Here the chart position for "Here We Go Again": No.65 at Country Singles, 1982. -- Hahc21 [ TALK ] [ CONTRIBS  ] 00:47, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

The episode is from the 3rd season
It seems that you feel A House Divided (Dallas) is from the third season, but it is from the second season. Please do not change this unless you have a source to back it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:00, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Actually the episode is from the 3rd season...but it sometimes can be considered from the 2nd season too. This is because the first season is now what was originally (in 1978) considered the 5-episode miniseries (because producers thought the 5 episodes would be it. But it was so popular they turned it into a regular series). From the original viewpoint the episode would be from 2nd season. However, once the show was turned into a regular weekly series, the miniseries was then considered the first season and therefore "A House Divided" would be the 3rd season finale. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.70.168.111 (talk) 05:37, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

The long and the short of it is that now it is convention to count the early episodes as the part I if you will of season one and the first full season as part II of season one. You would have to provide sources otherwise.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:22, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

I've never heard of the first five episodes of "Dallas" being considered a "Part 1" of the first season, and second season as a "Part 2" of the first season. Basically, once "Dallas" was picked up as a regular series (after the first five episode miniseries in the spring of 1978) the miniseries was then viewed or considered the first season--sort of a late-season starter, if you will. My sources are basically interviews I've read or watched online, from the special features on the show's DVD sets, etc... Most of those were with people involved with the show--actors, producers, writers, etc... If you still want to look at the first season as the "miniseries", then I guess you can make the "A House Divided" episode part of the second season. Some still do refer to season one as the miniseries, but really the "miniseries" aspect was pretty much dropped once "Dallas" became a regular series. ANY episode could actually be debated on what season it was from, because of the whole miniseries/first season thing in the very beginning. Rather than trying to state a "numbered" season...most episodes should just state the "years" of the season instead--Ex: "A House Divided" was the season finale of the 1979-1980 season. The years can't be debated. Just an idea. (174.70.168.111 (talk) 03:48, 7 June 2012 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.70.168.111 (talk) 03:46, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Did You Knows
Hey. Did you have any non-Twitter related DYKs you need reviewed? I'd like to sock away a few more QPQs. --LauraHale (talk) 03:56, 7 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks re: WikiWomenCamp. :) Sorry about the Twitter drama.  Just had stress and I'd kind of like to see Justin Bieber on Twitter get past WP:GA with out having to worry about WP:AFD so random spluging.  If you link me to the DYK noms, I can try to review them anyway and we'll see how it goes.  If you're feeling brave, Template:Did you know nominations/List of 2000s Christian Songs number ones could probably use a second opinion. --LauraHale (talk) 04:05, 7 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Think I got the golf balls. Not wading into ones with half review messes.  They scare me a lot.  Will review Coast at Lakeshore East.  (I want to clear my backlog of things I want to take to DYK.  I think my to do list is still around 40.  If you want to help with the women's national football teams, getting them formatted for DYK moving, that would be fantastic.  The CAF ones are big on my list for gender gap related reasons.) --LauraHale (talk) 04:44, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

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Good idea?
Hi TonyTheTiger, you seem to be a more experience baseball editor than me, so I wanted to ask your opinion on whether or not a navbox for current MLB umpires is likely to be struck down? AutomaticStrikeout (talk) 17:42, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

I have it almost completed at my sandbox. However, I'm not sure how to fix the problem with the last person being listed below the others. Can you help? AutomaticStrikeout (talk) 18:49, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Coast at Lakeshore East
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DYK for I Know...Brad
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DYK for Happy Tears (Roy Lichtenstein)
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Talkback
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Nomination of Ashton Kutcher on Twitter for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Ashton Kutcher on Twitter is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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DYK for Orange, Red, Yellow
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Umpire notability
Do you know what the standard is for determining an umpire's notability? Is any experience in the Major Leagues enough to establish notability? AutomaticStrikeout (talk) 17:43, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for John Tiffany
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DYK for Steven Hoggett
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Justin Bieber on Twitter
Hi. If you get the time, can you do a peer review on the Bieber article? Or edit it with the idea of nominating it for WP:FAC? --LauraHale (talk) 08:27, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Note to self
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DYK for Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)
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Barack Obama on Twitter GA review
Hello, Let me quickly introduce myself, my name is Tito Dutta. I have started GA review of the article Barack Obama on Twitter. See you in the review talk page. Feel free to contact me anytime in my talk page! Best, -- Tito Dutta  ✉  01:25, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Note of appreciation
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DYK for Golf Ball
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New message! Heads up!
Heads up! I have replied in my talk page! -- Tito Dutta  ✉  22:10, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Created temp collapsing. Everything you can see non collapsed are not done .-- Tito Dutta  ✉  22:24, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
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Graph creator!
There are multiple graph/chart creators in internet. Google chart wizard might be one of the best, though may not be directly helpful for Obama Twitter article, but, still I sometimes find this highly helpful! -- Tito Dutta  ✉  05:02, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I have got your email, not the file. And you need to delete the screenshot from your post in requested template page. We don't have fair use rationale for using in that page!-- Tito Dutta  ✉  15:20, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Blocked 48h
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 hours for levying accusations of racism/discrimination against other editors without any supporting evidence after multiple calls to retract or support the claims. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  (t/a/c) 17:30, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know what you mean by unfounded. I'll repeat. Fact "44 of my last 56 nominations had passed", which was higher than the average pass rate at WP:FSC over the same time period and the nominators charged that I was "generally clogging FS with items that don't deserve to be featured". I don't understand what you don't understand about my complaint of discrimination.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:53, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunate! Now, I need to wait for 2 days for Talk:Barack Obama on Twitter/GA1 where he was nominator and I was reviewer! Umm, well, is it possible to allow him to participate in that review and edit that article in these two days? I found Tony's responses very friendly and polite in review page! Any chance of this special permission? Actually the review was flying– I fear we'll loose the speed after two days (I'll be busy at that time etc)! --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#ED791A 0em 0em 0.8em,#F55220 -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,#1D6B00 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;"> Tito Dutta  ✉  17:57, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * @Tony: Well, first, it's certainly not racism. Second, seriously? Your claim is that they're discriminating against you because you had a high rate of accepted nominations? I'm not saying that their claims were accurate, but that's not the point. Your claims are completely unreasonable and disruptive, and you don't seem to understand this despite almost every single person at the AN thread stating as such. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  non-admin (t/a/c) 17:59, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * @Tito: No. That's not how blocks work. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  non-admin (t/a/c) 17:59, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, so, can you please postpone the block? Block after 3-4 days! Hope you can understand this block is also blocking me (my task list for next two days) and the GA review! --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#ED791A 0em 0em 0.8em,#F55220 -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,#1D6B00 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;"> Tito Dutta  ✉  18:20, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Tito, I'd suggest you read the blocking policy - blocks are meant to prevent disruption, in this case, Tony's insistence on making unfounded accusations. Postponing the block would completely defeat the purpose of placing it, and make it purely punitive in nature. I'm sorry you're being inconvenienced by Tony's absence, but in the grand scheme of things, personal attacks outweigh a GA review. There is no deadline on things, and the review will still be there two days from now. You can still leave comments about the review, Tony just won't be able to work on them until he is unblocked; in the meantime, there are plenty of other things to do on Wikipedia. I will not be unblocking Tony, nor I hope any other admin will, until it's clear that he understands why his conduct was disruptive and commits to improve upon it. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  non-admin (t/a/c) 18:32, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, so the lesson at AN hasn't sunk in yet, let me say it explicitly... Rule of Thumb #1 when appealing blocks and/or bans: It's usually not a good idea to levy personal attacks against those who placed the block and/or ban, as doing so often only serves to justify why the block and/or ban was placed in the first place. (See also WP:GAB) <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  non-admin (t/a/c) 18:46, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * To be honest, for all the time I have known him he hasnt done pleasant, nice, constructive GA reviews, so I personally cannot believe that Tony has done something wrong, and believe his innocence. But Tony, the language isnt helping. — M.Mario  (T/C) 18:49, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * This block is highly inappropriate per WP:INVOLVED, and I have urged Hersfold to unblock immediately. Note that my objection is purely on the INVOLVED side; I will neither support nor defend the idea of you being blocked for these comments.  Nyttend (talk) 18:52, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Replied on my talk page, but I'm not sure where you feel I became involved here. My involvement in this matter was as an administrator from the start, encouraging Tony to retract or support his accusations. When he failed to do so and persisted with them after a number of warnings, I blocked him. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  non-admin (t/a/c) 19:02, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I think it was probably a counter-productive block (to match a counter-productive unban request), but can't see how WP:INVOLVED comes into play. Unless, Nyttend, you're saying Tony called Hersfold a racist, which doesn't appear to be the case; Tony was saying the people originally responsible for his topic ban were racists (then, later, retracted and replaced with discriminatory). --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:19, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No, Hersfold engaged in the discussion with four different edits 1, 2, 3, and https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=497576848 4]. "Involvement is generally construed very broadly by the community, to include current or past conflicts with an editor (or editors), and disputes on topics, regardless of the nature, age, or outcome of the dispute.", and there's quite obviously a dispute when you're opposing an editor's request for unban with "I see no reason to even consider an unban appeal".  Nyttend (talk) 20:26, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm being quoted out of context. That sentence ended with "...but instead characterize those participating in your ban discussion as racists and/or liars" - a somewhat subtle hint that he needed to remove such claims. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  non-admin (t/a/c) 20:30, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Whether or not hersfold was "involved" is a discussion which should be taken off this page, I think. (I'm tempted to copy/paste move it myself.) Another admin has declined unblocking. (And after reading the AN discussion, as an uninvolved admin, I think I would endorse the block too.) So there is no purpose to having a discussion about herfold (and their use of the admin tools) here. - jc37 20:55, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Tito, if you are following this page, you can give me feedback on File:20120614 @BarackObama Follower Chart.jpg--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:34, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am following this page! I think you are using XY scatter! I feel it'll be better, if you use line chart or bar chart (see an example image). --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#ED791A 0em 0em 0.8em,#F55220 -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,#1D6B00 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;"> Tito Dutta  ✉  03:59, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The problem with the excel line graph (the version at commons) is that if you are missing data points they are not connected. The line graph only connects sequential points. We only have 6 datapoints from about 1000 days.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:21, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Commons has graph creator? I didn't know! I do not have and have not used Microsoft excel for a long time. In Libre office or open Office (Linux version of excel) when you right click on the graph, you can change graph types), Do you have this option in MS excel? --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#ED791A 0em 0em 0.8em,#F55220 -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,#1D6B00 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;"> Tito Dutta   ✉  04:29, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

While I'm away

 * Peer review/Juwan Howard/archive3‎ will close without editorial activity. Is it possible to get a message to to make some sort of edit to that page between about 0:00 and about 3:00, 15 June 2012 (UTC). Thus it will not close today or tomorrow and I can resume my involvement.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:26, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:33, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and dropped a comment on the peer review page just now and will comment again tomorrow. If I read the above right, I could do it with one comment delivered between midnight and 3 a.m. Friday, but I hope to be blissfully asleep then, so I'll do the two-step method instead. Looking forward to picking up where we left off when you are back. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 19:50, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes after a PR gets to 30 days it will close the second day after its last activity. However, the bot does not operate right at 0:01.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:30, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Floquenbeam just pointed out on my talk page that this was unadjusted GMT (assumed otherwise since you and I are in the same time zone). Still, I probably won't be on-wiki Friday night at that time, so I'll just try to ping as I'm online and remember to do it. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 20:16, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Talk:Barack Obama on Twitter/GA1 won't go anywhere. I'll be back.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:26, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Help Survey
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Template:Did you know nominations/Artist's Studio—Look Mickey, Look Mickey
Template:Did you know nominations/Artist's Studio—Look Mickey, Look Mickey was approved at 10:50, 15 June 2012. It is the oldest approved hook at T:TDYK.
 * Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1 was loaded up between 12:22, 15 June 2012‎ and 12:36, 15 June 2012 by with 7 hooks.
 * Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2 was loaded up between 18:09, 15 June 2012‎ and 18:30, 15 June 2012 by with 7 hooks.
 * Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3 was loaded up between 20:08, 15 June 2012‎ and 20:51, 15 June 2012 by with 7 hooks.
 * Can someone explain to me why 21 hooks have been chosen over the oldest approved hook? Can we get it in the next set?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:38, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Engagement Ring (Roy Lichtenstein)
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Data!

 * Please send me data of the graph you have created (you can send in any file format, but not image file)
 * Is it possible to create interactive graph in Wikipedia article, do you know? I personally don't know how to insert code in a Wikipedia article? --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#ED791A 0em 0em 0.8em,#F55220 -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,#1D6B00 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;"> Tito Dutta  ✉  05:28, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Time 100
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Phillip Humber
I closed the peer review per your request, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 15:52, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Artist's Studio—Look Mickey
Thanks from Wikipedia and the DYK team Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Look Mickey
Thanks from Wikipedia and the DYK team Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:04, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mural with Blue Brushstroke
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Your GA nomination of Cat Daddy
The article Cat Daddy you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Cat Daddy for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Jona yo! Selena 4 ever  22:55, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:Zou Bisou Bisou/GA2
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2011 Michigan Wolverines football team GA Review
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Review status!
I have started final assessment, hope to complete it within next 1-2 day(s)! --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#ED791A 0em 0em 0.8em,#F55220 -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,#1D6B00 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;"> Tito Dutta  ✉  03:33, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

I Can See the Whole Room...and There's Nobody in It!
I have conducted a review of the following article. Best, <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs (talk) 04:09, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I have also reviewed Girl in Mirror, Drowning Girl, Big Painting No. 6 and Whaam!. Will begin a review of Girl with Ball and Torpedo...Los! soon. <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs (talk) 04:31, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
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Corzine
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Thanks for reviewing International Finance Corporation
Thanks again for taking the time to conduct the review, I really expected to wait some number of weeks before anyone would bother. Cheers,  John Shandy`   &bull; talk 04:55, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Barack Obama on Twitter
The article Barack Obama on Twitter you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Barack Obama on Twitter for comments about the article. Well done! There is a backlog of articles waiting for review, why not help out and review a nominated article yourself? <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#ED791A 0em 0em 0.8em,#F55220 -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,#1D6B00 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;"> Tito Dutta  ✉  07:19, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Welcome! And just to mention– I didn't try or think of wear someone down! --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#ED791A 0em 0em 0.8em,#F55220 -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,#1D6B00 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;"> Tito Dutta  ✉  07:40, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Done! –<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#ED791A 0em 0em 0.8em,#F55220 -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,#1D6B00 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;"> Tito Dutta  ✉  08:05, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

An invitation for you!
This task force is still in a developmental stage and your assistance would be appreciated. Happy editing! AutomaticStrikeout (talk) 17:03, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Cecil Newton, Sr. for deletion
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Your GA nomination of Cat Daddy
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File:Hill Street Station illicit affair.jpg
As an uploader of this image, I just put this image up for deletion because... it's a lousy shot, and frontal view is better than seeing them kiss. If you oppose, then remove the "db-g7" thing. --George Ho (talk) 06:28, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:@justinbieber screenshot cropped.jpg
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Desperate Housewives (season 2)
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Juwan Howard
Heard some chatter on ESPN Radio yesterday about how Juwan Howard dedicated his part in the 2012 NBA title to the Fab Five. Doug Gottlieb talked about how, for all the hype, this was the only championship any member of the Fab Five had ever won. That's kinda harsh, but something about this whole issue would probably be a good addition to the Howard article before it goes to FAC again. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 14:33, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

PR closure
Hi Tony, the bot closes PRs which have been open 30 days after 2 days of inactivity. I am pretty sure this is after 48 hours without activity have passed. Since the bot checks once a day (usually 10:00 UTC) this sometimes means it is closer to three days. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:39, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

2011-12 Harvard Bball
I saw your article was nominated for GA, so I took a look at it. I was confused when I saw the article didn't have a roster box or section, or whatever you want to call it. Most of the other articles I've seen about seasons usually have roster boxes. Did you intend to do that? ThurstAsh13 (talk) 02:52, 27 June 2012 (UTC)


 * That's a valid point, no one really does expect for the Ivy's do anything astounding. I saw your achievements on your page and you're more experienced than I am; however, I still for some reason believe that the players that were a part of that team should be recognized in the article. But that is merely what I think of the subject, I just thought I'd voice my opinion on that. ThurstAsh13 (talk) 04:14, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Help with an article
Hi I have written an article and I'd like to see it grow, an admin called Keegan suggested that you could help me based on your experience. The article is called http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheongye_Kwan. Thank you hjc2012 —Preceding undated comment added 07:37, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

They are going to remove it anyway so i wrote this... Regardless of months of work and effort and constant fixing and re fixing with help from numerous admins and helpers, I feel I am fighting a losing battle that is frankly a little insulting. Barry Cook is a world renowned Martial Arts Master and founder of arguably one of the best Martial Arts systems to have been developed in the past 10 years. And to have to keep justifying him and coming up with more and more refs is simply an exercise in fruitless nonsense. By all means remove BOTH (not 3?) articles (Barry Cook) and (Cheongye Kwan) because I am at a lose. hjc2012 —Preceding undated comment added 11:41, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks
Just wanted to say a quick and belated thank you for certifying an article I worked on as eligible for the Four Award. I'm not big on awards and such, but must admit that it feels great to have acquired this one. Thanks again. Giants2008 ( Talk ) 02:43, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Good Topic
Hi, Currently the iPad, iPad 2 and 3rd generation iPad articles are all considered good articles, if a good topic was to be created, would an article that specifically focuses on the original iPad be required or will the general iPad article suffice. YuMaNuMa Contrib 07:48, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

File:@BarackObama screenshot.jpg listed for deletion
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File:@aplusk.JPG listed for deletion
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Orphaned non-free image File:@justinbieber screenshot.JPG
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Heads up!
I personally feel the file is important in that article. I have posted my comment on that basis. Let's see.. --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#ED791A 0em 0em 0.8em,#F55220 -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,#1D6B00 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;"> Tito Dutta  ✉  15:53, 30 June 2012 (UTC)