User talk:Wasted Time R/Archive 3

Whie House
Just wondered if your interested here - we could use your input. Thanks, Happyme22 15:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Rudy Giuliani
Would you mind providing some input here ? Torturous Devastating Cudgel 17:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No sarcasm, But I've got to give you a barnstar for your gentlemanliness on soliciting me into this discussion.

Now, as to your point: I can see the point of keeping the item in a certain article. And I was impressed by how you laid out your points on the Talk page of the RG controvereis.

However, that said, only a number of people are wiki-universalists (keeping a keen eye on all pertinent articles). Most of the lay public are just stumbling across things in one particular article. So, while I concede that there is overlap, this is not bad, these points of overlap/ repetition / what have you are not in and of themselves out of line. Just imagine where certain points (e.g., an unflattering point re something Bill did or some part of the B-H relationship) may appear in several articles:
 * Bill-Hillary relations
 * Hillary Clinton article itself
 * Hillary 2000 candidacy
 * Hillary 2008 candidacy
 * Hillary controversies

I hope that this addresses your concerns. Regards, Dogru144 04:08, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pinging me; after the Hugo Chávez whitewash debacle, POV forks are a real hotpoint for me (you didn't know that). I've also learned over the years that politicians' articles are an enormous timesink, even more so with elections approaching; good for you for being able to give them sustained attention!  I've given my opinion and unwatched, so feel free to ping my talk page in the future if you need input from "either side of the aisle".  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 17:28, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

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Vandalism (WP:Blanking) of Controversies of Rudy Giuliani
There is a procedure for deletion of articles (Afd). You are not following it.

Blanking a page is vandalism.

Please desist from vandalizing the Controversies page. I have addressed my perspective on the Talk page. Thanks, Dogru144 20:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I hope I did not jump the gun, but this will settle the issue and set a good precident. Articles for deletion/Controversies of Rudy Giuliani Torturous Devastating Cudgel 20:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Absurd - this was not vandalism. Thanks TDC for taking the initiative on this AfD - and I too hope this sets a precedent. Please keep me informed. Tvoz | talk 01:44, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

If you are worried about vandalism, try http://totovoto.com Totovotofan (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 20:35, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Controversies pages
FYI, Controversies of Rudy Giuliani has now been dismantled, with its legitimate contents disbursed among the appropriate Giuliani articles and its unworthy contents junked. See Talk:Controversies of Rudy Giuliani for more. This is pertinent to your concern that it was unfair that Republican candidates had such articles and Hillary Clinton did not. I hope that someone dismantles the Mike_Huckabee section as well. Wasted Time R 18:46, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I spoke a bit too soon ... another editor wants it revived and it's now at AfD at Articles for deletion/Controversies of Rudy Giuliani. Wasted Time R 22:20, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, thanks for letting me know, but even your Wiki handle kind of explains why I don't mess around here much any more. Too often, it's just wasted time.  But have fun hashing it out with the others. --Mactographer 06:41, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Requests for comment/EJ220
Since you have encountered this user, your input would be helpful here.-- Southern Texas  20:09, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

The Carpenters
Later this week, I would love to collaborate with you on how to make the Carpenters' page more FA suitable. Please message me on my talk page. Cuyler91093 08:32, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Someone who doesn't know
Someone who doesn't know that Sandinista was not published in 1980 but 1981. And therefore that the "rival" of The River was London Calling. If you can talk about "rivalry" since Springsteen was a devoted fan of The Clash. [12:09, 14 November 2007 217.195.19.81]

Giuliani AfD
What's up with Dogru voting twice? 1st 2nd I was about strike his first vote, but then thought perhaps I should ask him to strike it himself, so I left him this message. Unfortunately, Dogru is busy in real life, and hasn't been on wikipedia since 11.12.07, so s/he hasn't gotten my message. I guess I'm wonder what, if anything, should be done about the double vote. Seems to me like one of the votes ought to be retracted or redacted (probably the first) and if Dogru doesn't do it (either because he's absent or simply doesn't care to) then someone else should. At the same time, it's perhaps not the best ettique, and anyways one would hope that the closing admin won't be so hasty as miss where Dogru says, "I should say that I voted already above." What do you think? Yilloslime (t) 16:43, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If I may - I saw that too and had added a note to that effect on the AfD page on Sunday night, and see that Crockspot went ahead today and struck the second vote, leaving the comment which I think is fine.  I too didn't want to do it initially, to give Dogru a chance to do it him/herself, but it's been a few days and shouldn't be left there. If Dogru comes back and wants to switch which one gets struck, that's fine. (I doubt "strong" makes that much difference anyway, even though I used it myself.) Tvoz | talk 20:33, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Nancy Reagan approval ratings
First off, hello again. Here's my thoughts: the sentence is worded very oddly and I'm confused reading it, mainly the "she had both more people approving and disapproving of her than Rosalynn Carter" part; it just doesn't make sense. According to the cite (here):
 * Carter's approval was 46% when her husband left office in 1980
 * Reagan's was 56% in 1989
 * Bush's was 71% in 1993
 * Clinton's was 47% in 2001

And quoting directly from the source: "By the time her husband left office, more than half of Americans had a favorable opinion of outgoing First Lady Nancy Reagan. Fewer than one in five had a negative opinion of her. Opinion of her grew more positive as more Americans learned about her during the course of her husband’s presidency... While views of Mrs. Reagan were never as positive as those of her successor, Barbara Bush (who was viewed favorably by 81 percent of voters in early 1992), they were more favorable than views of Hillary Rodham Clinton and Rosalyn Carter as their husbands left office."

Therefore, my edit to the page seems to be correct, as we are judging by polls taken when the FL's husband's left office. Now of course, Nancy Reagan's poll numbers were the lowest of any FL's during the first years of her husband's presidency and didn't raise much until later, something already covered in the article. If I'm missing something, please let me know and we can discuss a way to reword the phrase. And really I'm only caring so much because we're in an FAC. Thanksa lot, Happyme22 (talk) 02:02, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Admin
Hi. I'd like to nominate you as an admin, as I think you're qualified. Let me know if you're interested. Epbr123 (talk) 22:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

No surprise
Controversy article for a Democrat resoundingly removed; controversy article for a Republic kept. I could have told you that and saved you the trouble. Gee, shouldn't the result have been the same for the same reasons? Not on Wiki ... Sandy Georgia (Talk) 15:57, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

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Hi, The FAC for Ulysses (poem) has closed. I made the silly assumption that I'd be able to look up Bartlett's online somehow, but I can't. Would you be able to add a referenced sentence to the article (at the start of "Cultural legacy", I'd say) that mentions the coverage in Bartlett's? –Outriggr § 04:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

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why the WP:MOS is a joke
writing in that type of format leaves room for sensationalism which contributes to an overall biased in the article. What I did do in the Outfoxed article was just list what went on and not my own words in it.RYNORT 18:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Admin
Do you have any desire of being an admin?-- S  TX  03:20, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

A WikiProject or task force for "U.S. presidential elections"
Hi, As I see there are several editors who works on the articles about "U.S. presidential elections". I wanted to join you but I couldn't find any wikiproject or task force relates to this issue. I propose making at least a task force in WikiProject United States.-- Seyyed(t-c) 10:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Please answer to this comment here-- Seyyed(t-c) 10:28, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think this needs some serious consideration. Some of these articles are so biased it would take a wikiproject to balance them out so that maybe they could be good or featured. You have a knack for helping these articles comply with NPOV. I just looked over Barack Obama presidential campaign, 2008, this article is really biased and needs some work. The first article I wrote Joe Biden presidential campaign, 2008 is really bad because I have neglected it. Other articles such as those about past presidential candidates like Ross Perot can be improved significantly through a wikiproject. This is why I think United States election articles really do need to be organized into a wikiproject.-- S  TX  23:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Image:HartfordWhalersBanners.jpg
Hello.

I'm coming from the French wikipédia. I'm working on Ron Francis'article. Do you have thought to put Image:HartfordWhalersBanners.jpg this picture on commons ? I'like to use it on Francis' article.

Best regards. --TaraO (talk) 18:38, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Ohdear
I now know not to edit political articles  Gareth E Kegg (talk) 21:35, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Your recent edits have been considered vandalism
User ShuttleBox has undone one of your edits. I have reverted that edit and left the caution on ShuttleBox's talk page. But my edit was undid back. If you believe that your edit is constructive, please, leave a message on ShuttleBox's talk page. Thank you! A. Demidov Talk 08:31, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Not vandalism. I have left full story on User_talk:ShuttleBox.  Wasted Time R 14:19, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Eric Burdon and Animals
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Hi don't waste your time and read the story of The Animals by Eric Burdon.com http://www.ericburdon.com/index.php?id=the_animals_65  [20:19, 3 December 2007 E-Kartoffel]

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Refs at Rudy election
Good job on the cleanup.Dogru144 (talk) 00:48, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Obama criticisms and controversies section
Been there, (eventually) stopped that! --HailFire (talk) 02:03, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barack_Obama&oldid=82521383#Criticism_and_controversies
 * Talk:Barack_Obama/Archive_2

Negotiating role
[Obama, too? Wow, you're busy.] You are in somewhat of a negotiating position on the following:

Southern Texas wants the al Thani business out of the Rudy campaign article. You want this out of the Giuliani Partners article. This matter is of greater public interest as in the campaign article than in the GP article.

Until this matter remains on the wiki universe, I'm inclined to act to keep it on the wiki universe. Cheers, Dogru144 (talk) 02:06, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Mike Huckabee Merge Proposal
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Moving of campaign logo on Clinton campaign site
The move was only to align all the Candidate pages. Every other candidate page has their picture in the information box and the campaign logo as a thumb in the article. Go look at other candidate pages. I have been working on Infoboxes today and there is nothing wrong with that change since it is just aligning the page with every other candidates page. Rtr10 (talk) 22:51, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

what about this one for Judith's article?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071209/ap_on_el_pr/giuliani Tvoz | talk 03:11, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I suppose so, but one wonders if she questioned the propriety of receiving the protection at that point, let alone how it was paid for.  But I certainly think responsibility primarily belongs  on his head.  I will check out that project - had not seen it. Tvoz | talk 03:44, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Michael Lerner
Not that you don't have other things to do but... I see that you added the "Politics of Meaning" and "Michael Lerner" bits to the Hillary Clinton page. On the Michael Lerner and Tikkun pages, I see no mention that they have influenced HRC. Might you want to do the reciprocal edit? CouldOughta (talk) 05:59, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Transient news
Thanks, couldn't find the best spot for it. Ftleitner (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 22:48, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

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Continuing Springsteen Maintenance
What you do on the Springsteen article seems like thankless work. I didn't think it should remain so.

So: THANK YOU.David in DC (talk) 17:46, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

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Request
I was wondering if you could check out a discussion here? Thanks, Happyme22 (talk) 05:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The article's a mess, but thanks for at least taking time to look at it. Happyme22 (talk) 05:36, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

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Mike Gravel Filibuster
You've made a lot of changes to the portion of the Filibuster on the Mike Gravel page regarding his filibuster. This is fine and good, but your sources with the New York times require members to be paying subscribers of the Times online section. Reference number 18 is a good example of this. Isn't this outside the realm of Wikipedia, the "free" encyclopedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.55.115 (talk) 05:35, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Response is at Talk:Mike Gravel.  Wasted Time R (talk) 13:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

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GA thanks
Just to say thank you, not so much for accepting St Mary's Church, Acton as a GA, for which I am of course grateful, but more for the way in which you guided me through the process. You were always courteous and helpful, which is not always the way in Wikipedia. So, many thanks, and best wishes for 2008. Peter. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

boxes
This is what they mean by a "slow revert"... Totally agree, of course - that was a defensive move if I recall correctly. Tvoz | talk 03:14, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

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replied on talk
Yeah.... it was r-e-a-l-l-y late last night when I was editing. Sometimes the better approach is to go to sleep. See my note on talk - and thanks for the heads -up as I might have missed the discussion. Tvoz | talk 20:14, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Was
I do apologise if I implied mischief and there wasn't - It just seemed to me that putting back in something redundant was a bit odd as we all know the extent of Clinton hate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ricxster (talk • contribs) 16:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mike Gravel
The article Mike Gravel you nominated as a good article has passed, see Talk:Mike Gravel for eventual comments about the article. Well done! Greenguy1090 (talk) 18:09, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Capitol Offense (band)
Since you did some work on the refs at the above article (which I greatly appreciated, as I'm still learning the proper formatting for them), I thought I'd let you know it's on the mainpage DYK right now. Thanks for your help on it! -- Bellwether B  C  23:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Magic Tour (Bruce Springsteen)
Reading your history, I do realise that you are not one to vandalize articles at all and are in fact quite an upstanding wikipedia user, but I happened to notice some untrue statements made in "The Show" section of Bruce Springsteen's Magic Tour. You put information such as the fact that Clarence Clemons sits down during the course of the show, which is completely false. I also noticed that you have no source cited for the specific area of the section I am speaking of.

Sorry to inform you of this, keep up the great work.


 * 'Twas not false. Cite now added to article.  Wasted Time R (talk) 08:01, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

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Huckabee merge proposal
The split articles, Mike Huckabee and Controversies_of_Mike_Huckabee are a POV fork. This is essential the same discussion as the merger of merging Mike Huckabee and Mike Huckabee controversies which happened in December. Previous discussion is here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mike_Huckabee#Merger_proposal New discussion here  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mike_Huckabee#Merger_proposal2 Jmegill (talk) 01:12, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Walter O'Malley GA on hold
Please allow the full 7 days. The notice said something about 48 hours and 7 days. I am not sure what your intent is for review.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 18:27, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * O.K. so what do you think now.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 19:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Do we have another seven days to research your new issues from your response date?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 22:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S. I never refuse a willing copyeditor.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 22:47, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Basically, in the last seven days, I have done what I can. A copy edit would be welcome.  Otherwise, please reconsider the article now.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 17:40, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you miss this notification?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 20:32, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your guidance and assistance. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 16:17, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

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Halland
I was going to change that from Holland to Halland, and do an edit summary warning you to cut out the POV-pushing and poisoning the well :-) but you beat me to it.Ferrylodge (talk) 17:45, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * She's baaaaaaaaack!Ferrylodge (talk) 02:41, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Nancy Reagan
Hey the debate has picked up again at Talk:Nancy Reagan. I think the IP is going a bit too far and giving too much undue weight to many of the situations he/she has presented because they are getting off the subject of Nancy Reagan herself. Feel free to comment if you want to. Thanks, Happyme22 (talk) 19:33, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Please see recent comments and evidence of the multiple Non NPOV points that I have identiified in this article. Thanks, please comment.  207.237.228.83 (talk) 06:54, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Apparently the IP's going ahead with the medcab request. I've left very long comments on the article talk page (located here) and the medcab request (here). Please join in if you wish. Thanks, Happyme22 (talk) 05:44, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I too am quite confused by just about everything the IP has done. See the talk page for his latest comments. I anticipate that my name will be smeared across the "mediation request" which he is apparently working on frivilously. He seems to be taking quite a while and even says he is going to review the entire FAC and article history! I'm not going to allow the article to be delisted, and I hope if notions such as that are brought up, you will back me up. Thanks Wasted - you've been a huge help and have greatly contributed. I have a feeling there's only going to be a few more days of this. Happyme22 (talk) 05:00, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Politician vs. Senator
I feel the Infobox for Hillary Clinton should show her profession as "Senator", rather than "Politician". She is a politician, but her job is being a United States Senator. If you were an executive at a corporation, would you want to be described merely as an "employee" of that corporation? --SMP0328. (talk) 02:09, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Kudos, HRC FAQ
Talk:Hillary Rodham Clinton/FAQ. Lovely. Well done. A model for other articles with recurring editorial issues. -- Yellowdesk (talk) 16:38, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Ditto - I've been meaning to drop by and say so. Good job, as usual.  Tvoz | talk 06:15, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Tritto. I hope to see the article up for FAC again.   +sj + 19:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment invited
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HRC Nevada
I responded on the talk page. Tell me what you think.UberCryxic (talk) 03:16, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Hugh Rodham
Thank you for your improvements in the article which helped me learn more about the context of Ellis Rubin's involvement in the Senate race. ClaudeReigns (talk) 10:32, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry about reverting your edit, something else popped into my head for a few seconds. :-)  Burner0718  (Jibba Jabba!) 23:53, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Super Duper
So as to not duplicate efforts - are you working on wording to add to the main and pres campaign Clinton subarticles with results from last night? Or are you waiting for final results? Tvoz | talk 23:53, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hope you're feeling better - recovering from oral surgery and the like is not fun, as I know from experience.  Tvoz | talk 23:58, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ha - I think actually Vicodin editing can only help, especially when dealing with some people.... Tvoz | talk 00:03, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Hopefully you are not experiencing all of the known side-effects. Vicodin. Get well soon.Ferrylodge (talk) 00:05, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

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3RR
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i've added this simply to be fair, as i've also warned the other guy. Anastrophe (talk) 23:06, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * you seem to have misunderstood my intent. Anastrophe (talk) 23:10, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Political articles
Props for working on all of the political articles and keeping your cool. A couple of edits to McCain, and I was ready to punch faces. :) Keep up the good work. y' amer'can  (wtf?) 00:37, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh. I only tend to hang around the Robert Byrd article. Righties try to insert "KKK" into every other paragraph and Lefties try to erase all mention of his time in the Klan. y' amer'can  (wtf?) 18:16, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

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Bruce Springsteen
The awards are referred to as the 2008 grammy awards. The year needs to reflect this or it will confuse. -- neon white user page talk 06:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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Iron Maiden tour history
I know you do a look of concert tour work. Right now I'm bogged down in a lot of work on Michael Jackson, but thought you should know that the Maiden tour pages are the worst. Using slang, POV, non-encyclopaedic speech (speaking in the first person), almost all of it has been copy-pasted from ....to be honest they're articles worth having but at present offering nothing useful. (The Elfoid (talk) 16:37, 14 February 2008 (UTC))

Only asked since you seem to be a bit of a 'tour page guy' on Wikipedia. And because I avoid those pages, since I know I'd be too POV. Cheers anyway. (The Elfoid (talk) 17:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC))

BetaCommandBot
I know what you mean. If a normal user (read: not a "teacher's pet" bot) were tagging this many articles for deletion for a "violation" of some subsection of an obscure policy, that user would be blocked for disruption. But because this is BCB, he's allowed to overwhelm people with his tagging. It's a bit ludicrous, in my opinion. Bellwether B  C  14:33, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks For POW / MIA Comments on McCain Site
Your idea for a wikipedia article on the history of the Vietnam POW / MIA's is right on target. I really appreciate your posting the suggestion!

I have to look at my own time committments (not sure yet) but if I start such an article I'll let you know in case you want to comment (no pressure, but just in case).

Also, if you ever start an article on this topic-- please let me know-- I'd be happy to contribute what I can, time permitting (using citations, not personal experiences-- in line with wiki writing policies).

I realize that personal experiences are not appropriate for Wikipedia articles-- but by concidence my adopted Aunt (not my real Aunt but a close family friend) was Evelyn Grubb-- one of the original founders of the National League of Familes-- and one of it's early Presidents. As a boy I was present at the opening of one of the NLOF's first small offices in Hampton Virgina and my mother used to take us there on weekends to do volunteer work. Later I lived in the Washington area with my family while Evelyn Grubb served as President and Evie was at our house / with us frequently (my father was her husbands squadron commander before he was sent to Vietnam).

Evelynn Grubb wrote an autobiography that is due to be published soon-- perhaps this would provide good source material for such a wiki article.

Best,

Sean7phil (talk) 13:43, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

South Hall
The location was South Hall,California with estimates of 4-6 thousand people (I think it was closer to 7 thousand). Someone removed the Supporters Photo.:-( PEACETalkAbout (talk) 00:41, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

GA review of United States Senate election in New York, 2000
I looked over the article again to confirm my original finding. I found a few more lines I think need sources:

In the Legacy section (last section): Clinton's victory would establish her as an effective campaigner and an electoral force on her own, able to capture Republican and independent votes and overcome her polarizing image.

Giuliani's performance in the aftermath of September 11 earned him many accolades and resurrected his political prospects.

In Analysis of margin: Lazio's bid was obviously handicapped by the weak performance of George W. Bush in New York in the 2000 election, but it is also clear Hillary Clinton had made substantial inroads in upstate New York prior to Lazio's entry into the race. (Obviously is listed as word to avoid)

I completely agree these lines, but I would like to see them sourced. I'll give a full write up on the talk page. Thanks for such a comprehensive article.User:calbear22 (talk) 18:00, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Amended.User:calbear22 (talk) 19:35, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I approved this article a few days ago but have since become more familiar with the GA review process. I now know that the article does not meet Good Article Status.  I have been working on the article to ensure the it does not get delisted, but with one editor questioning my judgement, it is likely this article will come under scrutiny soon.  I urge you to try and help me keep it at GA.  I put a lot of work into the beginning of the article.  The article needs to have some more work on NPOV.  There are many instances where "facts do not speak for themselves" and there are "words to avoid."  The article might need another proof read too.  Please see the NPOV guidelines and work with me to keep the articles rating at GA.  ThanksUser:calbear22 (talk) 09:50, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Listing the article is more a formality to approving an article that I had just forgotten to do. I'll leave you to do as you wish with the article.  You can revert back some of the changes if you like or ask me why I made them.  Sadly, "life" in articles is introducing a viewpoint. The viewpoint you introduced is correct and widely accepted, but even consensus cannot overrule NPOV, as it states in the introduction of NPOV section. NPOV is also a core pillar of wikipedia policy.   When you talk about life, the biggest change I made was the title of a section to "a tumultuous 4 weeks" as because such a statement does not meet the let fact speak for themselves standard.  Calling events critical or important, or in the case of the original introduction, historic, does not let the facts speak for themselves.  Other changes address Words to avoid which is more or less the words in there, it has to go.  I really didn't want to make these changes but made them because I didn't want to you to be disappointed when the article gets delisted.  As of now, I give you free reign to address these issues. You are always welcome to consult me with questions.  Best of luck.User:calbear22 (talk) 17:13, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Dispatch
Wasted, I haven't heard from Tvoz; are you interested in this, on a short time frame. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 21:58, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Just thought you should take a look at User_talk:Zzalzzal. I'm not responding to it (you probably shouldn't either), but it is a pretty amusing read. Enjoy. --Bobblehead (rants) 03:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Your behavior towards me and others on the Hillary Clinton page violates wikipedia rules and policies
This is a warning regarding your violations of wikipedia policies and rules on the Hillary Clinton page. WastedTime and Bobblehead have refused to engage in discussion and have simply asserted their will multiple times (by reverting changes (on Jan 18, 19, Feb. 1, 7, 18) I made – they refused to respond to my discussion attempts (made on Jan 6 and Jan 19) regarding reporting Iowa Democratic Caucus results to two decimal points). This and other actions of theirs have violated the law and spirit of wikipedia policies and rules, including “gaming the system”, “"Abuse of process “, “Attempting to force an untoward interpretation of policy, or impose one's own novel view of "standards to apply" rather than those of the community.” (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Gaming_the_system), and “clearly fail[ed] to respect "consensus" on this issue, given that no disagreements were expressed in the discussions on this issue I had initiated on Jan 6 and Jan 19 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus. Additionally, both Bobblehead and WastedTime on Feb. 18 appear to have acted in concert so that neither one would be in violation of the “three revert” rule – which would also be a violation of the spirit of this rule.  Yes, I broke the 3 reverts rule, unknowingly. In contrast, WastedTime and Bobblehead were aware of the rule and violated the spirit of it, as well as engaging in violation of the law and spirit of other rules and policies. It was very disingenuous of Bobblehead to have me blocked for violating the “three-revert” rule (and this prevented me from participating in the discussion they initiated on Feb. 18), when both Bobblehead and WastedTime themselves are guilty of violating it and other rules. Greater documentation related to this issue is on my Talk page. Zzalzzal (talk) 21:38, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Template discussion
As an occasional editor to the discussion at Template:United States presidential election, 2008 your input would be appreciated at Template talk:United States presidential election, 2008. Thank you.-- S  TX  04:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Sir-

I appreciate your kind words and your recommendation that the title of God Emperor of Wikipedia be granted to me. Rest assured that your support will be rewarded as I continue my rise through the ranks. Sincerely, Barrett Brown, First Consul of Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.190.202 (talk) 23:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Making Sandy happy
Will "author=first, last" suffice or not?Ferrylodge (talk) 23:16, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I've put everything into last, first format now. Ends justify means, in my view.  When I worked on the Roe v. Wade FAR, this was required.Ferrylodge (talk) 23:31, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Sandy has some comments.Ferrylodge (talk) 23:44, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

It is Coco Solo
It is Coco Solo Naval Air Station.

Family background and early education Three generations of John McCains — an infant McCain with his father and grandfather, both Navy Admirals.

McCain was born on August 29, 1936, at the Coco Solo Air Base in the then-American-controlled Panama Canal Zone[2] to Navy officer John S. "Jack" McCain, Jr. (1911–1981) and Roberta (Wright) McCain (b. 1912).

There is also a runway there known as France Field. My son, Lee, was born at Coco Solo Hospital as well.

Joseph OGERSHOKJogershok (talk) 10:01, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * FYI, the iamge Image:Three_generations_of_McCains.jpg looks like it's going to be deleted soon.Ferrylodge (talk) 21:41, 29 February 2008 (UTC)