User talk:Wikipedian Penguin/Archives/2012/January

WP's Year-end Chart, hehe.

 * 15 – "Love on Top" by Beyoncé Knowles
 * 14 – "Otis" by Kanye West and Jay-Z
 * 13 – "Rolling in the Deep" by Adele
 * 12 – "Space Bound" by Eminem
 * 11 – "Pumped Up Kicks" by Foster the People (just for its dubstep remix)


 * 10 – "Lighters" by Bad Meets Evil featuring Bruno Mars
 * 9 – "Second Place" by Royce da 5'9"
 * 8 – "Countdown" by Beyoncé Knowles
 * 7 – "That Ain't Classy" by Classified
 * 6 – "The Edge of Glory" by Lady Gaga


 * 5 – "Scheiße" by Lady Gaga
 * 4 – "End of Time" by Beyoncé Knowles
 * 3 – "Marry the Night" by Lady Gaga
 * 2 – "Take from Me" by Bad Meets Evil
 * 1 – "Party Rock Anthem" by LMFAO

Did I slay you? If Eminem had an album come out this year, he would have been all over this list. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  15:06, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Partially agree with you, but no Rihanna on it, me sad :( hoho. And OMG "Otis" is so freakin' great! I don't know how it didn't manage to found its place on my list xD ! — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  15:13, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, lol. Ooops, I forgot to put "Love on Top" there... — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  15:18, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I am slayed. Did I see Beyonce twice? And in the top 10 This is for you. I love your number one. Please make a place for LOT. Change it to top 16. No Rihanna? Someone will cause this. But your list is near perfection. Jivesh 1205  (Talk) 15:19, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, I took off "Moves Like Jagger". Here's my Bubbling Under:
 * 17. "Moves Like Jagger" by Maroon 5 featuring Christina Aguilera
 * 16. "You and I" by Lady Gaga
 * Lol. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  15:24, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Bubbling under? Lol. Don't you like "Sexy And I Know It"? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 15:26, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Not so much that it has to be on the list. And the video just makes it lower on my ladder. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  15:27, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I also hate the video. Penguin, I never thought you love B's songs so much. :P Your list is like a revelation and it makes me happy. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 15:29, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Too bad it'll be archived by the end of December. No, wait, I won't archive it. It stays here "until the end of tiiiimmme!" — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  15:31, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol. That was epic phrasing to welcome 2012 (End of Time). I have to go. Before I go, I wish you and all my friends Happy New Year 2012. I love you all (Brotherly Love :P). I will be a bit busy in the coming days. See my talk-page. My cousins are unbearable. I hope I am in a good state of mind when they leave my home. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 15:33, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You think the world will end in 2012? Ben • Talk That Talk 2me  01:27, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I would if I was a crazy lunatic. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  03:31, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think so either. but my crazy lunatic friend does. You SLAYED her. lol Ben • Talk That Talk 2me  19:15, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I hardly believe just because some Mayan calendar will end means so will the world. lol — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:22, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Please comment at Fandi Ahmad's ongoing peer review!
Hope you have a wonderful 2012! Thanks for volunteering to copyedit articles on peer review. I have written an article about Singapore football legend Fandi Ahmad and am aiming for GA status. Would you like to start 2012 by commenting at its ongoing peer review and thus supporting the quest to counter systemic bias on Wikipedia? Thanks! 谢谢！Terima kasih! நன்றி! --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 17:17, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello. Soccer biographies are not my expertise, but I'll be happy to have a look. Happy New Year! — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  00:15, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review! Requested clarification on several points. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 15:42, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to the 2012 WikiCup
Hello, and welcome to the 2012 WikiCup! The competition officially begins at the start of 2012 (UTC) after which time you may begin to claim points. Your submission page, where you must note any content for which you wish to claim points, can be found here, and formatting instructions can be found in hidden comments on the page. A bot will then update the main table, which can be seen on the WikiCup page. The full rules for what will and will not be awarded points can be found at WikiCup/Scoring. There's also a section on that page listing the changes that have been made to the rules this year, so that experienced participants can get up-to-date in a few seconds. One point of which we must remind everyone; you may only claim points for content upon which you have done significant work, and which you have nominated, in 2012. For instance, articles written or good article reviews started in 2011 are not eligible for points.

This round will last until late February, and signups will remain open until the middle of February. If you know of anyone who may like to take part, please let them know about the comeptition; the more the merrier! At the end of this round, the top 64 scorers will progress to the next round, where their scores will reset, and they will be split into pools. Note that, by default, you have been added to our newsletter list; we will be in contact at the end of every month with news. You're welcome to remove yourself from this list if you do not wish to hear from us. Conversely, those interested in following the competition are more than welcome to add themselves to the list. Please direct any questions towards the judges, or on the WikiCup talk page. Good luck! J Milburn (talk) and The ed17 (talk) 17:56, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Hmm...
... Do you have a link for the remix? SLY was number one here. :O Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 06:34, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No, unfortunately not. You can reply at your own talk page, if you prefer. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  13:43, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you heard the RedTop remix of EOT? It's soooo MJ. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 14:49, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No I haven't. Is it good? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  15:00, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. Third one. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 15:07, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * One of the cmnts: "This intro SLAYYYYYYYs" — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  15:40, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol, it does. Penguin. Are you free? I need your help. Don't worry. It's not copy-editing etc but it is nevertheless a complicated task. I enjoy doing it but it is not working out for me this time. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 15:42, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I can tell you if I am able to do it if I know what it is. Lol. :) — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:38, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you think this is too short? If yes, please find me some album reviews mentioning "Halo". I cannot find more. I am going for now. Goodbye. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 16:41, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I've searched but I couldn't find any that you have not used. I do not think the section is too bad, but have you tried using filters? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:45, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Filters? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 17:54, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Filtering your search or whatever it is that you do. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  17:54, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh yes. There's nothing more. To tell you frankly, there are a nice amount of articles commenting on "Halo" but most of the information fits in the composition section. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 17:57, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Have a last look at the composition section for any NPOV violations, then see. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  17:58, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm are there any? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 18:01, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * "Strident and exposed" is total POV. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:17, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It is in the source. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 18:28, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I think Mark has told you this, but just because something is sourced does not mean it is neutral. This is better off in the Critical reception. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:36, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 18:41, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikilove

 * Thank you Calvin and same to you! How's the New Year fireworks in Disney? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  13:29, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol they were good. We could also see a panoramic view of Orlando from our hotel room, we could see fireworks everywhere. Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 15:15, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe next year, I'll be there long enough to witness the fireworks. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  17:20, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

2012 GOCE coordinatorship
Hi Wikipedian Penguin! I'd like to express my appreciation for your vote for me during the 2012 GOCE coordinatorship election. During the next 12 months, I will be looking forward to your input on how I can perform my role, so please be brutally honest regarding my actions.

Regards, and have a wonderful new year! --Sp33dyphil ©hatontributions 02:39, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks and you too! — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  13:33, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Won't...
... you participate in the Wikicup? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 06:27, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Please have a look. Now I have to take care of the LP and CV sections. And it's done. !!! Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 07:36, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I am participating, and by the looks of it, it sounds fun. The article looks great, see if you can expand it further before beginning to copy edit seriously. :) — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  13:32, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Really, not anymore. :P I can't at the amount of Kbs I removed during that re-construction. Lol. But frankly, I don't want to talk any article having length comparable to SL to FAC. Lol. That's so discouraging sometimes. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 15:14, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It really is. I am planning to take a smaller article to FAC after LTWYL. Much smalle, but has the details. It's always the music video section that makes the article look bad. Bee tee dubs, could I get a second opinion from you? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  15:16, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol. I almost forgot about your article. Let me get back to that right NOW. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 15:19, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Could I get a 2nd opinion from you first? Lol. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  15:20, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 15:31, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Honestly, the article is very good, except that the live performance and music video section is huge. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 15:35, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I am currently reviewing an article for GA. The spotcheck results look concerning. If you look at the article--Video Games (song)--much of it is just a quote farm and really long ones are being used. Do you think this article is better on hold or failed? I have notified Sauloviegas (the nominator) of the issue. Some copy editing looks needed as well and the music video screenshot fails WP:NFCC. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  15:36, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * IMO you should wait. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 15:44, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I have a PR to respond to. :) — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  15:45, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait the article is incomplete. I am sure it appeared in the top 10 on numerous critics' lists for both songs and videos. Moreover, I just noticed, it is recent. What do you think now? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 15:48, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't really think so. It wasn't a very successful single. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  15:58, 2 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Lol. It did. I meant the list where they write about the best songs of 2011. I know because "Countdown" appeared on many of those lists. Please see this. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 16:20, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Refer to, which says it is reliable as long as the product has already been released and is not a future release date. says that it is reliable for basic facts. Here is another comment from :
 * If we are talking about ISBNs, release dates, formats etc., then Amazon is quite reliable. The concern as you say is the commercial nature of the enterprise - I don' t think it's a violation of WP:SPAM, but it's something a free project should seek to avoid. I would say that Amazon cites should be replaced by non-commercial reliable sources where possible - Ottobib and WorldCat are exceptional for books, while Allmusic and IMdB are great for music and film - but if an Amazon source is all that can be found, it should be ok (unless the article is going for WP:QA). the skomorokh 16:24, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:27, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol. What's that word? And I hope you know that all countries do not have those websites white they have Amazon. Added to that, the song there received only a limited release as the nominator told me. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 16:34, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If I may? IMDb is not a WP:RS (it even says it on there) Just budding in because I saw that there listed. Best, Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  16:37, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

WP, I will continue the LTWYL review later. I have a headache. Please please please remind me tomorrow. As I told you before, I have a goldfish memory especially when it is not related to Beyonce. :P Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 17:37, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm so proud to be blessed by a legend *sniff* — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 07:22, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I saw that :P Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 07:24, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Way ahead of you children. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:42, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I knew that as well. :P Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 07:15, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Who Says (Selena Gomez & the Scene song)
Hello. I nominated this article at GA and addressed the issues you pointed out from the most previous review. Till I Go Home (talk) 08:21, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it's fair if someone else reviews the article now. I do not believe I said I would review the article once issues were addressed and the article was re-nominated. I do not think you will have too much trouble finding a reviewer as WikiCup has begun, and the backlog will decrease faster. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:22, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That is fair, and I doubt that someone would want to review the same GAN again. Till I Go Home (talk) 09:02, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your commitment to the article however and good luck with the GAN. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:30, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

It's done...sorta
Well, I finally finished the layout of the article! It looks very different, but is far more readable IMO. A quick question: do you think it's too long? I tried cutting out all the superfluous info, but it still stretches to about 18,000 words :S. This album is the biggest in years (it just went back for a 14th week @ #1 in the US and on course for a 19th in the UK), so there's a lot of info on it. I did the best I can, I think. I'm gonna submit it for peer by the end of the week, then hope to have it featured by the time the Grammy's roll around in mid February. I just want to thank you for all your hard work on it, btw =). Oran e   (talk)  22:26, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Really great job Orane! Could Blonde on Blonde have been a possible model you used? Seeing you've re-written the article, I'm guessing all my advice I've given you has been rendered moot? Lol, JK. On a critical note, the blog post seems a bit misplaced however. How does it fit into the section? And the POV-captioned sound sample in the Sessions with Epworth and Tedder section too. Be sure to amend/respond to my concerns at the talk page and the prose may still need work. Otherwise keep up the great work, and may Adele's next album not make other artists in 2012 look like flops. ;-) — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  22:51, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * And I really would not worry about the length. It's shorter than this article now, which is a song article. :/ Another suggestion, I would add a lead sentence to each of the sections discussing sessions ("Rolling in the Deep", one of the angrier and more visceral offerings on the album, was the first song to be conceived in the aftermath of the break-up. seems like a very awkward start, non?) — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  22:59, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Used Blonde on Blonde and this article as models ;). And will respond to you/begin implementing your changes a bit later tonight (heading to the gym soon lol). Cheers and thanks for the compliments! Oran e   (talk)  23:13, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Good luck. I think you will get excellent input from a Peer review. Congrats on all your hard work. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  00:11, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * What can I say? I love to brag. No end in sight :) Oran e   (talk)  06:18, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * PS:That sounded arrogant. I'm bragging about the info in the link, not about the article lol. Thought I'd clarify. Oran e   (talk)  07:04, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Haha. She's enjoying ridiculous success. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  10:57, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Ola
Hey buddy, how are you today? Thanks for fixing the typos in "Unfaithful". I have a question. Since in 2006 there was not Canadian Billboard Hot 100, but Canadian Singles Chart, do you know where I can find a useful source about "Unfaithful" charting then? — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  00:30, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry to not be of any help, Tomica. I thought RPM published the charts, but that was several years ago. Plus, I hardly know much about charts as I find them boring (woop tee doo, this single rose three spots up this week, who cares...). Try asking someone else. Legolas should know; he's great with charts and has written some pretty good articles on classic songs. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  01:22, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Hahaha =)! I like when add information in the chart tables, but hate when I write the Chart Performance. Though I like the release. A LOT ! Look at this material for Hate That I Love You.:) And don't worry Penguin, I will ask Lego, he will probably know. Thanks anyway. — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  01:37, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I like how you do your research. I do it too, but differently. You better archive those links though. iTunes links tend to die. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  01:49, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ouuuu trust me I hate when I do researches, especially for the music videos, there are so little information about it. Could maybe give me formula? Ouuu and I know that I should archive them, but I really really hate archiving. Its so boring ! :) — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  01:52, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I started doing it for LTWYL but gave up, lol. I'm doing it for every ref on my next project and Rihanna's fav producer. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  02:06, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Da Kid. Mmm interesting. I would also like to do that for Stargate one day. Those guys are simply music magicians :) ! — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  02:09, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Did you know he started out as a football (soccer) player? :D I already know what DYK I'm going to do. I'm also going to turn the songs produced into a table. This article won't look the same. Do one for Chase too. Congrats on the "Unfaithful" DYK. It's live on the main page right now. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  02:16, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow, that great. DYK's became fun to me. And Thanks:). Do you like the "Unfaithful" hook? — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  10:27, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I do. It's pretty interesting. I was surprised as to why Rihanna wasn't mentioned, but a great job still. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:27, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, maybe that was wrong form my side when writing the hook. However, it is already done :D ! — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  19:28, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you there? I need to ask you something. Since there are two (1 & 2) EP's for "Hate That I Love You", I don't know how to labe them in the Release history! What do you think? — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  21:32, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe "two-track EP" and "three-track EP"? I'm not really sure. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  21:34, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Mmm pretty good idea. I will go with that. — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  21:37, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * LOL... Way better than Rihanna... hahah xD !— Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  17:58, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Liked. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:22, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Pengui, can you check on this. Thank You :) ! — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  15:05, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You forgot an n, hehe. Good job. The prose may need a little bit of work, and try to reduce the use of quotations. That has been a huge problem with music articles. Thanks. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  15:25, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Hehe. Thanks, I know that they are pretty much quotations, but when I finish the whole article I will contact a copy-editor, to go through the whole article. — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  16:24, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

PR comments
Hey are you still reviewing articles at PR? Jona yo! Selena 4 ever  17:48, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * School has started and I'm pretty busy. What's up? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:28, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If you aren't too busy to mind leaving comments for improvements? Thanks, Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  02:17, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure. I'll have a look, but no guarantee when exactly I'll post my review. I'm working on another peer review for Calvin999, and when I'm done that I'll run an eye over yours. It appears you're taking this "to FAC in the near future." I'll try my best to give a satisfactory review then. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  02:24, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright thanks in advance :-) Best, Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  02:45, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Hello
If you have time, please comment here. Thanks. Calvin  &bull; Watch n'  Learn 17:59, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * This weekend maybe? I'm very busy atm. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:29, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Help with page
In the Love On Top' article, you said that Hung Median is reliable for charts and nothing else. Recently, a user used that source for the release date purposes, the australian feb 21 release date, in the release history section of The Story of Us (song), see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Story_of_us_(song)#Release_History            as you said that site is not reliable for release dates.....can you remove it?

You like your gurls insane (talk) 21:06, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Brexx, you're back again? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  21:07, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

hey
Can you explain? Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 22:48, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * What part? The edit itself? The word premiere does not have a grave accent in English, but does in the French language. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  23:02, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No, the bit about it being like a song article. Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 23:08, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know. I don't get what's so important that a music video was availbale for download on iTunes on such and such date. It does not add much to the article. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  23:11, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It's just the release dates of when it was made available to download. Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 23:14, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Isn't what's in the infobox enough, and then just have a brief mention that the video was made available for download on iTunes on such and such date in various countries? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  23:21, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Does it really matter? I think listed them is better. Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 23:33, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Love the Way You Lie
You have done a fabulous job editing the article. You seemed very determined to have it become a featured article. Good luck, and keep up the good work. :D —DAP388 (talk) 01:04, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the kind words DAP! I see you've been working hard on The Walking Dead episodes, and hopefully you get an FA too! — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  11:35, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

hey
Can you glance over the Composition section for S&M please? Calvin  &bull; Watch n'  Learn 01:10, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I was waiting for there to be a standalone Composition section. Maybe now there will be some opportunity at FAC5. Once again, prose is a major issue and it seems that issues raised by previous FAC and GAN reviewers are still being made.
 * "It samples the synth line from Depeche Mode's song "Master and Servant" (Some Great Reward, 1984) which contains lyrics related to sadomasochism." - missing comma before "which".
 * "According to the digital sheet music published by Musicnotes.com" - musicnotes.com did not publish the sheet music. The site just hosts them. I believe it is EMI that published "S&M".
 * "Rihanna" gets a bit repetitive. You still have the options "she" and "the singer".
 * "Chris Ryan of MTV wrote that Rihanna appears to be "hollering" the chorus." - "appears" is not the right word here.
 * "The lyrical content of "S&M" revolves around Rihanna singing about sex and BDSM related acts" - lots of redundancy here. " The lyrical content of "S&M" revolves around Rihanna singing sings about sex and BDSM related acts"
 * "Rihanna explained that the song is not to be interpreted literally" - you mean "should not be"?
 * During the chorus, Jake Conway of Q noted that Rihanna "frostily chants" the lines "Cause I may be bad, but I'm perfectly good at it / Sex in the air, I don't care, I love the smell of it."[17] After chanting the lines "Cause I may be bad, but I'm perfectly good at it / Sex in the air, I don't care, I love the smell of it," Rihanna sings the line "Sticks and stones may break my bones / But chains and whips excite me." - This is repetitive and redundant. Also, the "During the chorus" is a bit awkward as it refers to Conway here, not Rihanna.
 * Critics' opinions should not be here: BBC and The Music Magazine criticize here, so that info should be in the reception.
 * "The verse consists of Spears singing the lines "Just one night full of sin / Feel the pain on your skin / Tough, I don't scream mercy / It's your time to hurt me / Shut me up, gag and bound me / 'Cause the pain is my pleasure / Nothing comes better." - Why are the lyrics of one verse important if there is no interpretation or analyses by journalists? Better of removed.
 * A good effort, but look out for 'mistakes' like these in the future. And don't rush. "S&M" still needs a lot of work and serious copy editing and it will be tough. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  01:26, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * People having seen saying that it needs "serious copy-editing" for months now. I don't see how much more copy-editing needs to be done. 2/3 copy-editors have c/e the article in full, in addition to about 10+ other people making smaller c/e edits, who have been involved with the FACs. I don't know how many more people I am mean't to ask to help c/e, because with each one I ask, the article changes every time. Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 01:40, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Quantity =/= quality. My serious suggestion: maybe the best thing to do is work on your writing abilities. I'm sure after all the advice you've gotten from Colm, Boulton, etc., your writing should have improved a lot. Read prose aloud and see if it sounds right. Learn from your own FAC mistakes. Read User:Tony1's essays. Copy editors can help, but they won't spot every issue in the article. They just don't have the time to or cannot. FA = Wikipedia's best, remember. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  01:53, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I just read the lead, for example, and I can't see anything wrong with it. To be honest, what I had originally written months ago is long gone now. It has been changed and expanded so much what the essence of what I wrote is there, but not what I actually wrote in my own words. Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 02:02, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe that is because you are strictly following a writing format that you have adopted for many articles. You have become used to it and cannot see the problems.
 * "It was written by Mikkel S. Eriksen, Tor Erik Hermansen, Corey Jackson Carter, Sandy Wilhelm and Ester Dean, with production helmed by Stargate and Sandy Vee." - We get the idea that Stargate is a different group from Eriksen and Hermansen. Songwriters do not need to be credited with birth names in prose.
 * ""S&M" was released on January 21, 2011, as the album's fourth US single, and third international single. "S&M" is a Eurodance and dance-pop song." - Two sentences starting with the same word.
 * "With the release of the remix single featuring Spears" - Hmm, I thought I told you in FAC3 to cut "featuring Spears" here. The article "the" is enough to tell us what you are talking about.
 * What? That makes no sense. It says "featuring Spears" already and you are telling me to include it? Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn
 * I'm sloppy with keyboards. I meant "cut", not "put". — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  02:22, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * "digital sales pushed the song to the top of the chart for one week, which gave Rihanna her tenth US number-one single on the Hot 100 chart and Spears her fifth." - relative pronouns (which, who, etc.) refer to the last noun in the preceding clause. So you are saying that "One week" gave Rihanna her tenth..., not the sales.
 * Repetitive use of the song's title and "The song". Try "it".
 * "It portrays softcore sadomasochist acts and fetishes and, because of its content, was banned in several countries and restricted to nighttime television in others." - Too many "and"s.
 * "The video spawned a lawsuit when photographer David LaChapelle alleged that it used imagery from his photo shoot for Vogue Italia. Rihanna performed the song for the first time at the 2011 BRIT Awards at London's O2 Arena on February 15, 2011, as a part of a medley with "Only Girl (In the World)" and "What's My Name?"." - an odd shift from discussing lawsuit matters to live shows.
 * Where else is it supposed to go in the lead? Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 02:24, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe briefly saying how the case was closed can smoothen the flow. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  02:26, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I would raise these issues in a GA review. Are you sure you are reading it aloud and it looks professional? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  02:12, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Done those. Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 02:28, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * On a different note, I will be continuing the We Found Love (music video) peer review over the next few days. I have school projects in the way, so I cannot confirm when I will finish. If you need help with "S&M (song)" let me know, but some creativity and innovation is needed on your side. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  02:42, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks. Bye. Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 02:43, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Halo
What do you think of the article now? See its history. It was copy-edited yesterday. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 11:09, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Please check the lead again. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 19:08, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Here? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 11:28, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I'm not here. Lol how may I help you? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  11:29, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol. Listen, if I put Kelly Clarkson accusation, then where will all the information about Kelly discouraging her label from including AG on the track-listing and later discouraging them to release it as a single fit? Then her statement to MTV News, which the copy-editor on the talk-page wrote that it was an important piece of information. And that whole Leona Lewis thing moved in the background will create more confusion as it does not form part of the writing process. Similarly, moving that accusation by Kelly to composition will not look any better. See how "Halo" was after it promotion to GA. To tell you frankly, I love that format but the FAC reviewer said that one sample only should be used. Evidently, we chose the "Halo" one and decided that it better be placed in the composition section rather than the controversy section, where the Leona blabla was moved. I hope you do not start feeling dizzy while reading this. :P Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 11:36, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't see where the sample falls into this. Anyway, there has to be a more neutral word than "Controversies" for the article. How about "Kelly Clarkson comparisons" then? Anything other than the word "Controversy" or its plural form. Regarding Lewis, that information would fall perfectly into the Writing and production because it is related to the recording and writing. This all happened before the release, so it's best to move it. Trust me, you'll have a better flow if you have a better chronology. Finally, I'm not so picky about moving the Clarkson section under composition, that can be kept as is. Thanks. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  11:46, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I have see the light. :D So, the Cow's drama should be before the recording para? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 11:51, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That should be fine. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  11:56, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I am doing it. That Kelly picture is huge,. Can you please find me another free image of her? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 12:02, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * She is so beautiful. A real Goddess. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 12:04, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * This and this should be good. You can choose, bit the second is probably best because the focus is on her, not the backgorund. Lol, never seen the video. Must be good. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  12:07, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Tell me what you think of the girl. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 12:08, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Still messy. Is a picture needed? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 12:10, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you tried the Olympics one? If neither work, don't feel obliged to have an image of Clarkson. It's not necessary. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  12:15, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, none work. Thanks for everything. Hey did you watch the video? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 12:18, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Not yet, maybe sometime later. Not really in the mood for watching anything right now. :P — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  12:19, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Do I need to praise your eyes? It's okay for the video. Are you ill? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 12:21, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I'm fine. Just don't feel like it. You're welcome for the reference fix. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  12:22, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ahem, Kelly? A cow? >:[ Ryoga Hibiki  ( talk ) 13:33, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I swear I've heard "Ryōga Hibiki" somewhere. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  13:35, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Really? He is my favourite character from a classic :) Ryōga Hibiki  ( talk ) 13:38, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * For a minute I thought, who is it? Then, I paid attention to the color font. :D You don't know the cow? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 13:39, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Jivesh, she is one of my favourite artists!! Infact, the first song I fell in love with was "Behind These Hazel Eyes"!! Ryōga Hibiki  ( talk ) 13:41, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * And I also love her. I was talking about Simon Cowell. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 13:42, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol, cows. I think I've read a chapter of that series once. :D — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  13:44, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry! Really really sorry! Simon, well, I hate him lol. Please forgive for misunderstanding your comment *sad* @WP, the anime is awesome too! My favourite female character is Ukyo Kuonji :) Ryōga Hibiki  ( talk ) 13:45, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It's okay Mags. *hugs* Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 13:47, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Back in 2008, I used to edit a lot of Anime Wikia wikis and I think I came across this one too! :) — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  13:48, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * @Jivesh: *hugs* too :) @WP: Oh, I see. Apart from Pokemon, what other animes have you seen? Ryōga Hibiki  ( talk ) 13:55, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Naruto, Bleach, some One Piece, FMA, quite a few actually. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  13:57, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

(→) Omg, that's cool! I've seen some Naruto, Bleach and One Piece too. Also, FMA (not Brotherhood). I love InuYasha (as you may have seen), Ranma 1/2, The Law of Ueki and a few other animes. I've also seen some new Japanese animes like Beelzebub, Baka to Test, and Tales of the Abyss :) And there are some shoujo titles like UFO Baby, Ultra Maniac, Fushigi Yuugi, seinen titles like Maison Ikkoku, Saber Marionette and josie titles like Nodame Cantabile :) Ryōga Hibiki  ( talk ) 14:01, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I haven't heard of any of them except for InuYasha. Oh did I tell you I've seen the infamous "It's OVER 9000" episode when I was a kid? Ah, good times. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  14:04, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Fuck off you penguin, go and waddle off the face of the earth dickhead !!!
 * You mad bro? Lol. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:57, 11 January 2012 (UTC)


 * What the hell happened here? WP, read this, as you see, it definitely IS NOT plagiarism. Jivesh 1205  (Talk) 05:46, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Urgent favor
Hey Penguin. I really need your magic urgently. I wrote "Hate That I Love You" music video synopsis, but it reads pretty awful, cause I am horrible at writing synopsies. Can you c/e it? It's not so big, so I think it would be easy for you. Thanks :) !— Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  00:30, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Same here, I'm bad at those. But not too bad at copy editing them. I'll give it a shot. Btw, read the message above! I love trolls. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  00:33, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * "... giving the fact that they don't know each other and the whole time were singing for their respective lovers." will be removed. This seems like personal interpretation. Feel free to re-add once you find a reliable source. Edited version needs sources as well. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  00:47, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Trust me, there is not a single source for the video synopsis. And thanks. I like how it looks now.:) Its pretty good. And why sources in this case? Aren't we allowed to write short, not so much-detailed synopsis without sources? And about the troll xD, Is he the same one that also bothers Legolas too? Thanks Pengui. I am heading to my bed now, its like 2 AM here :S ! GN — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  00:52, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, he's the one and only CharlieJS13 sock. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  10:50, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

LAP
OMG, thanks for the wonderful edits WP! Can I just hug you and cry like a little girl? And M.D.N.A? I just cummed in my pants — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 03:31, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think that's the past tense for "cum". *Hugs*. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  10:44, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * By the way, you've GOT to read what CharlieBS wrote on my talk page at the bottom of the "Halo" thread. xD — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  10:50, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Cum is always present :P Lol, I noticed what CharlieLoser wrote, and congrats for laughing on its fuck-face. Just shove some MDMA up its ass. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 11:17, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * They see me trollin' - they hatin'. :D — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  11:26, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol, what's happening to you Avi? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 11:26, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm high on MDMA boo. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 12:01, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol. Your sentence and all those previous ones remind me of "Dance for You". Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 12:05, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Madonna, Flop? HA!
You be trippin'. — Status  &#x7B;talk contribs  22:47, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. She is MADONNA. She has millions of fans across the world. Besides, all of those artists were out during her last tour, which managed to become the best selling tour by a solo artist. I don't see her doing amazing in the US (she has pretty much been shunned there for years and years), but worldwide she is gonna smash so hard. Just off her name alone. I was disappointed by "Gimme", but the album title has restored some faith. I was almost gone out the door if it was called "Luv". Seeing as how William Orbit is on board, the album will probably be amazing. The album is certainly going to be better than Hard Candy. I personally don't give two shits about Madge's critical response. She has gotten so much shit, and so much praise over the years it's irrelevant. And the fact that Live Nation pretty much said the album was to promote a tour, I'm not too worried. Tour sales >>>> album sales. As long as I get amazing music, I am game (and at least a couple of hits). And don't get me started on Rihanna. One of my friend's was over working on a project with me after school today, and was humming to "You da One" and wondering why it wasn't on "Loud". D: Had to say that there's actually a new album out... — Status  &#x7B;talk contribs  23:00, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Madonna is nothing like Britney. Since you're not a huge fan of her, you're probably not very familiar with how she works. This bitch works her ass for everything. As you can tell from Brit, she's lazy and just not into it. Madge has and always will. The album was described to be Music mixed with Ray of Light; which marks the first time Madge has ever revisited a type of style. The album's said to be electronic, but not the shitty style nowadays. Madge always knows what she is doing. Working with Martin is perfect because he is mainstream, but at the same time he isn't. I don't know if you heard this, but here's a live demo of "Turn Up the Radio", a song that will most likely appear on the album. It certainly fits mainstream music now, but it also has Madge's '80s dance edge to it. (It will probably sound a lot different from the final version, but from the sounds of it, it's gonna be a jam.) "Gimme" better be stunning if they aren't releasing that song as the lead single. Madge apparently also re-worked an old Kelis song from her "Flesh Tone" album called "Kids". The album is certainly gonna have its mainstream aspects (it's got to, really), but it will stay true to who Madge is. And the fact that she recorded the album without a label, there's really no label input into the actual musical structure of the album. It's all on Madge. — Status  &#x7B;talk contribs  23:33, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You have NO idea. xD Apparently it's been dropped from the album because it doesn't fit along with the rest. Apparently every song has some type of beat to it, even the ballads (which there was said to be 3 or 4 on it). Interscope has also expressed how they planned on releasing every song recorded; which may mean a deluxe edition, b-sides, or something like that. Warner is gonna be mad they didn't treat her better. And Interscope is gonna be over the moon with all the money coming in from Madonna AND Gaga. Disappointed with Confessions? I'd call that her best body of work. Hard Candy was a decent album, but is by far her worst. Let's not even get into Nicki. I was praying to god she wasn't going to be officially credited, and only did the "LUV Madonna" parts. Excited to see how MIA will sound though. Such an odd paring. It's hit or miss really. — Status  &#x7B;talk <sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">contribs  23:48, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * 12 days in 2012, bitch is already turning up the thermometer. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 04:16, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Diva wars take my level of excitation to its peak, even to the point of having the feeling that my boxer shorts will burst open. *monster laughs* Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 05:59, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Now that's ewwwww. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 06:20, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 06:34, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That was sooo anti-climactic. xD — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  12:00, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Re:Help
Of course. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 04:30, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay but for what did you need help? I am curious. Too lazy to see your contributions. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 05:40, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ever seen this parody? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 09:59, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * This kills. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 10:02, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Luv it. I was gonna ask you to do sum research for me for ltwyl, but did so myself. :) 142.162.238.42 (talk) 11:50, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * About what exactly? Maybe I can still help. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 11:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright. I'm on my computer now. I was going to ask you to find reliable sources discussing the covers and remixes of "Love the Way You Lie". If you can still help, that would be great, but I think I've got every one of them. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  11:59, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait then. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 12:06, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I filtered 12 search pages. It seems you have everything. :D Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 12:12, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks anyway. You've been a big help. Could you read the lead and tell me what you think? It's been re-organized. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  12:14, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. You also help me a lot. Coimg to the lead:


 * with whom Eminem wanted to collaborate after listening to its backing track - Necessary to be in lead?
 * Musicians Taylor Momsen, Cher Lloyd and Alex Feather Akimov have recorded cover versions of the song, while Rihanna recorded "Love the Way You Lie (Part II)" for her album Loud. The sequel is narrated mostly from the female perspective. - Make a stand-alone sentence for Rihanna.


 * Overall It is excellent. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 12:19, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks again. The first one needs some re-wording. Most musicians listen to the track first, so that was a mistake on my part. Will do the second one. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  12:22, 14 January 2012 (UTC)


 * You are welcome my Penguin. Lol, you are the only penguin I know. :D Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 12:30, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * By the way, do you think I should swap the last paragraph of the lead with the third? I'm thinking of making the last one sort of a legacy paragraph. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  12:31, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Swap? Won't the third one become too big? Hmm, a legacy paragraph always looks good but it needed? Wait first tell me exactly what you will put in it? Covers and critics' year-ends? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 12:38, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No no no. I mean put the third paragraph where the fourth is right now and vice versa. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  12:39, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * As far as my opinion is concerned, it will work perfectly. :) Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 12:47, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. A bit influenced by SL(PAROI). — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  13:05, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I am going to pull a Anne Teresa De Keersmaeker then. :P It's very good and reads perfectly. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 13:11, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * What does that mean? Sorry I'm a bit stupid. Yes, "SL" does read very good and perfectly. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  13:14, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol, I said your article reads perfectly. The first part mean this. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 13:17, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol, had forgotten about her. So you're not even honored by the tribute. D: — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  13:19, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I am. :P Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 13:22, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you copy-edit a few sections for me? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 13:24, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It's the least I can do. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  13:46, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's the article. Please c/e the feud section most importantly, still working on others but feel free to do what you want because I hate Jay-Z. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 14:12, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Same here. I'll try my best. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  14:14, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol, I am working on that only because it is in the wikiproject. :P Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 14:18, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I've been wanting for some time now to polish and copy edit the "Roman's Revenge" article. Never got to it. It's a mess. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  14:25, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I hate messy articles. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 14:45, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Please c/e the MV and feud sections. Please. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 15:48, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

How
was I borderline attacking? Calvin  &bull; Watch n'  Learn 01:01, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I had a feeling you'd come to my talk page. You appeared to have been getting frustrated at Jivesh's reverts, so I gave you a friendly reminder. I felt this would get out of hand if it had continued. I wouldn't say you had attacked Jivesh, because I know you would never. If you consider this a warning then I don't know what to say. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  01:06, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I was annoyed, because I was right from the start but no one bothered to check. At least I read the scoring rules. Even providing the link and quote about it, I wasn't believed. It's only natural to get annoyed at something when you know you were right. It just surprised me that you chose to say I was borderline attacking, and not saying that in fact, I was right. It makes me look bad when I did nothing wrong. Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 01:11, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I know you meant well and Jivesh was wrong. I also meant well and did not try to make you look bad. I owe an apology, if it looked as though I did. Actually, you two have been a bit harsh for some time now with each other. Its sporadic, but recurring. I felt that the same would happen here and things would get out of hand. That was the basing of my edit summary. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  01:21, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I mean't well because I was right Penguin! Whatever you think we say to each other on Wikipedia which you think is negative, is what we say as editors, not friends. We both know that, we've said it to each other. We don't let that affect our friendship. We have had lots of conversations via social networking as friends, no Wikipedia talk. We are very good friends and have had in depth conversations about various, as well as personal, things. But anyway. Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 01:37, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Nevermind then. Thank you and happy editing. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  01:40, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Even I don't think Calvin was attacking in any way. Jivesh probably missed the scoring part or probably hasn't read it at all. I had to remove a similar review from Tomica's page as well. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 06:19, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a pain logging in on a phone, so I'll just comment anonymously. Pardon autocorrect. Calvin I'm sorry then. I guess I've been cranky for a few days now. Don't ever take my words about you personally. Avi, you're right, he wasn't. 142.162.238.42 (talk) 11:48, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * "Even I". That sounds like you almost expect me to attack people and are surprised if I don't. See what I mean by how you phrase things? Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 13:28, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * ***********C-L-O-S-E-D*********** Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 13:31, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

S&M
Do you think I could nominate it now? Calvin  &bull; Watch n'  Learn 14:01, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * (Sorry Jivesh, edit conflict, feel free to re-post your message) Not yet. Before I start talking about the prose, which isn't too bad now, I think the Background section could need some organizing. You discuss the release before the songwriting. So revise the chronology. Lol, just a bit confused as to why Dean blabbers on about how Rihanna is sexy. I'm not even sure if Boombox is a reliable source for FAC. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  14:05, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. It must be because it was recommended to me to use in one of them. Plus, if it wasn't, I'm sure it would have been raised in one of the four! Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 14:10, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The "no one complained" argument is a pretty poor one, Calvin. Don't be amongst those who use it. The quotation does not add to the understanding of how the song was produced. I certainly would raise it in a FAC. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  14:13, 14 January 2012 (UTC)


 * It is because of this drama that I told Calvin to nominate it. Talk pages are not the place to argue about all this repeatedly. Jivesh 1205 (Talk)
 * Orane suggested to include it. And we are not arguing. Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 14:20, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * ---> Conflicts in opinion then. Calvin till when will you ask here and there if it is ready. Everyone will tell you what they think. You know what I mean by that bold they. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 14:21, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Because I think it will fail if I don't spend more time on it. Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 14:22, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it's fine to get input from other users of how they feel about an article heading for FAC. I looked at the FAC. I don't tbh see a place for the interview. In fact, it was published before the song was released as a single. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  14:25, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The image in Critical reception is a copyvio. Pancake (talk) 14:26, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Pancake. Speaking of which, you might want to expand the fair-use rationale of the video still. Discuss why this image in particular adds to the article. Talk about the lawsuits etc. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  14:29, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is true indeed but the FAC delegate said that if everyone start doing this, there would be no need to have FAC reviews. :D Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 14:38, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol, that's if you are asking for approval from delegates. I'm gonna miss Sandy. At least she'll be back to writing articles. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  14:43, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Read it. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 14:46, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Who could pass the article = delegates. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  14:48, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You have a point. *blush* Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 14:58, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * *sighs*. I wasn't asking him to completely review, I was asking him if it would having a chance of passing as it currently is. Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 15:18, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * And Penguin, it's completely irrelevant that Dean spoke about the song before it was released as a single. Rihanna gave an in depth interview about Complicated and it was never released. Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 15:21, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, it is not easy to predict. I never thought SL would have such a long review and yet pass. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 15:23, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I know right? But Calvin ask yourself how the interview about Rihanna's sexiness adds to the article. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  15:25, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * What? A review of her sexiness? *monster laughs* Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 15:27, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Not really, But that's what the quote says. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  15:29, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If that is ever accepted, I will add this in BTINH. :O Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 15:31, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Dean spoke about the process of writing songs for Rihanna in an interview for The Boom Box, and explained that she wanted to channel Rihanna's "alter ego" and use it as inspiration for writing "S&M"'s lyrics.[5] Dean praised Rihanna for her ability to take risks with her music, and said, "I think Rihanna is sexy and will say things that other chicks won't say. Even if she says let's go kiss some girls, who really cares ... that's Rihanna. Music is about fantasy. This is what people want to do, but are afraid to do." She is talking about how Rihanna takes risks with her music and pushes the boundaries, which she does with S&M. I can't help that she starts off by saying that Rihanna is sexy. I'm pleased that this is creating such hilarity for people. And exactly Penguin, it's not about just her "sexiness," but you didn't say that to begin with. And stop putting me into edit conflicts.  Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 15:32, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * "Music is about fantasy. This is what people want to do, but are afraid to do." That's the only part of the quotation that you will probably need. And even that I'm unsure of. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  15:35, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Of course it's relevant, it's about the song. S&M is about fantasies, how often do people do songs like this? Calvin  &bull; Watch n'  Learn 15:37, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Unbelievable. So "taking risk with sexiness" = "taking risk with music". Is that a dirty joke? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 15:38, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * So then all you have to do is trim the quotation. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  15:41, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, she spilled bullsh*t. Sorry. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 15:42, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Why are you being like this? Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 15:43, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Calvin, I can assure you that User:Two Hearted River will have a problem with this. Frankly, who is Dean to say all that? Don't you see that that was her strong opinion? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 15:45, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That wasn't my point. Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 15:48, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * So why did you ask "Why are you being like this?" ? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 15:49, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah I did, but you didn't answer. Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 15:51, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? I did tell why I said what Dean said was BS. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 15:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Like laughing about the quote and that. Penguin didn't explain the quite at all. Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 15:59, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That quote is pure WP:POV. Reviewers will undoubtedly question it. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 16:00, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I've shortened to only relate to S&M. And we will soon find out. What have I got to lose? Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 16:04, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Nothing. :D Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 16:07, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I was going to tell you about the prose, but I see you've already nominated. Good luck, I guess. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:12, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Why didn't you say before? Calvin  &bull; Watch n'  Learn 16:14, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You didn't throughly read my first message at the top of the thread did you? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:16, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol, but you never started to talking about it! Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 16:18, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Please
Please c/e the MV and Feud sections. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 15:59, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Oops, missed your message above. Don't worry. I'll get to it. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:00, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. By the way, I remembered what I had to ask but I feel shy. :D Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 16:02, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I Can't, I Can't, I Can't

 * My first orgasm. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 17:38, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol. I can't say anything else. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  17:39, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * We better not speak too much as her management sucks. I hope it is not canceled/postponed. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 17:41, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * She thought she didn't need her dad no more. She was wrong. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  17:42, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree. *weeps* Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 17:44, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If all nothing goes as planned, she'll be releasing every track on the album as a single. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  17:45, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * But things were not in her favor. Her album leaked; it "was not leaked", it leaked. Proof, three people in her management team were fired. Reference? Don't have. I get all this information from atrl.net and I trust them more than people I have seen in my life. And you know she did what she could but she was pregnant since March. When was the last time you saw a pregnant woman shooting 10 videos (yes ten because there is one for "Schoolin' Life", "End of Time" and "I Was Here"). And her choreography: RTW Billboard performance + EOT at Glasto =Pure epicness. Five months pregnant in DFY slays. Her first single leaked = NOT A TRAGEDY but radios played the demo for like 6 weeks. That's very bad. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 17:50, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * She should have delayed the album's release imo. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  17:53, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, delayed or postponed? I think it would not have changed anything. Billboard itslef commended her sales as June is one of the months where sales are the lowest. Yet, she did 300,000+ . And the magazine also mention the fact that the album leaked three weeks prior to its release. Nevertheless Penguin, I say it loud. Beyonce is a very bad manager. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 17:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree. Have you seen Year of 4? It talks about the whole thing. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  17:58, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Seriously, no and I should to be punished and demoted from my stan status for this. :P Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 18:02, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You should. Shun. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  03:57, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 05:19, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

I think...
... I need to re-rite the composition section oh "Halo". Can you copy-edit after I post it. I have not really changed may things but I moved and added certain lines. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 16:08, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * What are sweeping strings? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 16:09, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh no, "Single Ladies" all over again? I'll be happy to copy edit, but why such drastic changes during FAC? As for the second comment, read this. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:11, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Because of Efe. We will have another drama all over again. Hmm, there is no guitar on "Halo". Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 16:13, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * What was the query he raised? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:15, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * "dips in and out" is informal. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 16:16, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It's done. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 16:17, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * So why does the entire section have to be re-written? Just asking. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:21, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * When I reworded the sentence as asked by my copy-editor, I was told to use "vocals". You see? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 16:23, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You need this :P Jivesh 1205  (Talk) 16:27, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Not much needed to be done. It was well written. Open "other userboxes" on my profile and look at the last one. Click on it. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:30, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * *D*E*A*D - and - *S*L*A*Y*E*D* Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 16:33, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Always a few steps ahead of you. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:35, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. :D I forgot to say thanks. Thanks for the c/e WP. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 16:38, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Jivesh, I know you so well that you don't need manners with me. ;-) — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:39, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol. I should as someone told me (not directly) today that it is this which differentiates you from others. :D Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 16:41, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

What do you mean? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:43, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol. WP, my day started so well today. :P Someone told me " It's pretty amazing that you won over so many people so quickly". :D I felt good. (No orgasm though) :P Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 16:46, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I read your talk with Moise. That's great, but you still haven't answered by question, haha. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:51, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Did you? Lol, you are indeed ahead of me. Which question? I meant the way you talk to people like repeatedly telling them "Hi. How are you? Thank you", even though they never reply. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 16:53, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Not sure I follow. Who is this someone? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:56, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I was referring to Moise. That's why I wrote indirectly. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 17:00, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That's very true. And I appreciate your politeness. :) — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  17:03, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * And I sincerely appreciate you a lot WP. You are near-perfect. I mean there are some people I can hardly tolerate. :D Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 17:07, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you and I know what you mean. Could you read the Composition section of the article I've been working on? It's been organized. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  17:09, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. Jivesh 1205  (Talk) 17:13, 15 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The song's vocal range - Really?
 * Source doesn't say if it's Rihanna or Eminem. Sheet music shows notation for both singers. I left it as "the vocal range..." — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  17:28, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If you remove the song above, replace its  in the following sentence
 * Anderson, as well as Gil Kaufman of MTV News and Mayer Nissem of Digital Spy - Remove as well as
 * in a cell of our own creation - [her]
 * According to Anderson, writing for MTV News, - Full name?
 * This is the same Kyle Anderson of Entertainment Weekly. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  17:28, 15 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The rest ... Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 17:23, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * So... it's good? L.O.L. And I finally figured out how to find chord progression so I did it for the verses. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  17:28, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Isn't him Rodriquez Anderson? Didn't you see the gif under the ... Lol. Of course, it is good, very good. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 17:34, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No. That's Jayson Rodriguez. Yes, I saw the gif, but didn't know what it meant. :P — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  17:36, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ahh okay. Lol for the gif. You found the chord progression yourself? WP, have you finished c/e B&C? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 17:41, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. :D Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 18:21, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * De nada. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:22, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, is that "de rien"? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 18:25, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You're good. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:27, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I told you this Jivesh :P ! hah
 * @WP Lol. Merci. A demain. Bonne nuit / passe une bonne journée. @ Tom, je ne crois pas. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 18:35, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Tu as oublié un te entre ne et crois. J'avais parlé en espagnol. :P — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:37, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Oops et wow, ton edit summary etait ré, e avec un accent. Lol. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 18:39, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * What language do you speak at home? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 18:40, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * English. Pourquoi? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:42, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Curiosité. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 18:46, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

I speak a mix of British, American and Canadian dialects. I've been to so many places, it's hard to adapt. I had an English English teacher (English language teacher from England), hence I spoke fluent BritEng at one point lol. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:49, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Slayed again. :P Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 18:53, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That's faded away over the years though. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:54, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * At least you could for some time. :D See the talk-page of "Halo". I think he got confused. I asked him to copy-edit BTINH but anyway, good he commented. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 18:59, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup/History/2012/Submissions/Jivesh boodhun
Hey- you were right that the GA review was not eligible, but you shouldn't have removed it yourself- instead, you should have contacted one of the judges. It saves the sort of fratching that occurred on that particular submission page, and stops a bad atmosphere being fostered. Rest assured that Ed and I are checking through every submission at this stage in the competition, and so it would have been caught. As I say, though, if you're worried, contacting one of the judges would be the best move. Thanks, J Milburn (talk)

Online?

 * Look at what Italian professional basketball did :P. Hey can you please fix the first image issue at the FAC? Malleus fixed it but Nikki seems to think that it is still not good.

Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 04:34, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * How is she so legendary? It can't be the Illuminati can it? No, lol, that's stupid. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:21, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You called Beyonce legendary? I am pleased. :D Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 19:35, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * First "Single Ladies", then a fly's ass, and now this crap. Hehe. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:36, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You forgot Barack Obama dancing to SL. Read the top of my talk-page. She has five legend awards. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 19:39, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you fixed everything for the image review? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 20:32, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe I fixed the Glee one. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  20:34, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Should we replace the Tedder image? Is there another one? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 20:38, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Try commons:Ryan Tedder. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  20:41, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Which one is good? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 20:43, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * File:Ryan Tedder 2.jpg does not appear to have any issues. Its Flicker. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  20:44, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * [File:Ryan Tedder 3 (cropped).jpg This one]? Can you please also check the caption of the Tedder image. Nikki said something I did not understand. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 20:46, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * She means that the creator of that image wants himself to be credited on the caption of the embedded image. Like (image produced by ...) — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  20:47, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * What if we use this? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 20:49, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks good. Replace if you want to. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  20:50, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you do what she is asking or? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 20:51, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * So you replaced it? Lol. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 20:55, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Please leave a note there. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 20:56, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It's the easiest thing to do and probably the best. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  20:57, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Penguin. I think it needs spotchecks now. I will have to fond someone who has the tool Nikki was talking about. Take are. See you soon. I have to go for now. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 21:05, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Melicans? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  21:06, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice. But isn't he on vacation? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 21:08, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. He told me he would give a hand on "LTWYL" when he got back. He should be back sometime this month. :) — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  21:16, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That's great because he is very kind and his assistance can never be a bad thing. :D Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 21:19, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Oughta be an administrator, non? This is great news! — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  21:20, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I did not understand the first part. Who were you referring to? Anyway 2 AM here. I need to go. Leave a message, I will read it tomorrow. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 21:23, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

I can't at how Beyonce inspires fat people to dance as well. :D The one who did RTW was simply epic. Pure epicness. Well, this one is good but nothing special. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 06:36, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * How cute. :) — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:50, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol. The day you are sad, just tell me. I have a video which will cheer you up but I won't show it to you now unless you are down. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 06:37, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Masterpiece
So so happy. *cries* — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 05:02, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Avi, can you please look the image review of "Halo"? I don't understand the caption thing for the Ryan image. Malleus corrected it for me but Nikki says it is still not good. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 05:07, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It won did it? Well deserved. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:17, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Re:Wikicup query
If you're claiming points for the review, it needs to have been started and finished in 2012. If you're claiming points for the GA, it needs to have had significant work done on it by you, be nominated and pass during 2012. Hope this clears things up. Thanks, J Milburn (talk) 08:57, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Is Blake's 7 worth a G.A. nom?
Hi WP, I've been working on the Blake's 7 article, having bashed it into shape a few years ago. I think it's now approaching G.A. quality and I'm planning to nominate it as such in the next month or so. I'd like to hear from an experienced editor who is unfamiliar with the subject, so I've picked on you! Rather than clog up the review system with a not-quite-ready article, I'd like to ask you to quickly look it over to see if there are obvious problems I've missed. The article uses British English with ellipses in elided quotes, except the lead. In the 'Characters' section, I've used past tense for characters' backstories and present tense for in-series elements per TENSE. Don't worry if you're too busy - I'm not in a desperate hurry to nominate and I'll still be working on the article, except during the forthcoming 'blackout'. Thanks, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 06:14, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The blackout is going as planned, so who knows when I'll be able to give you a satisfactory response. I'll try now. You've done an excellent job on the article. Please keep up the work. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:38, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you :-) Hopefully I'll get some more work done before the blackout. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:46, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi WP, just a note to tell you that I've moved your comments to the Peer Review page here and transcluded it on the article's talk page, so if you want them in future you'll know where to find them. Thanks for the comments btw, they're very helpful. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:33, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That's good idea! I'll feel free to comment on the PR sometime. Thanks! — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  22:38, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Calvin  &bull; Watch n'  Learn 15:07, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

hey
is WP going to black out in 10 hours? Calvin  &bull; Watch n'  Learn 20:02, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. It's part of the fight to stop SOPA. USA stuff, but it's a global blackout. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  20:06, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Greatttt. I replied to your comments on S&M. Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 20:07, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * M'kay. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  20:08, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know what I'm gunna do for 24 hours. haha. Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 20:09, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia isn't your life Calvin, lol. And it's for the good of everyone. SOPA and PIPA are two of the stupidest bills ever in US legislation, imo. This will (hopefully) show them. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  20:33, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah it's not. But I automatically come on here haha. It will be quite nice for a day actually. Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 20:42, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't get your ref name points. Calvin  &bull; Watch n'  Learn 22:57, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't think you saw this?? Calvin  &bull; Watch  n'  Learn 15:51, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't get mad. I didn't have time to explain in the morning before school. - so now if you want to use the austria chart ref, you can use  in the Chart performance section. Simple as that. The refname can be anything you want it to be. Still confused? — WP: PENGUIN   · [ TALK ]  18:33, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not mad lol, just reminding you. I think I get it. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 21:47, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, Nathan from DJ Booth has a bachelor's degree in creative writing and journalism from San Francisco State University. And for fact-checking, they get their information from the record labels themselves. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 22:49, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The site does not appear to have any editorial oversight or fact-checking reputation, however. I couldn't find any page on the site that discusses this info. It does, however, ask that people interested in writing for DJBooth send "a professional writing sample and a paragraph detailing why you're interested in working with us." I would personally find the Yahoo! blogs are more reliable as their writers have experience working on other well-trusted magazines; Paul Grein is one of the best editors of sales and chart analysis and due to his experience writing for Billboard. Does Nathan S. have any experience working for other reliable works? I don't doubt that DJBooth's music releases are trustworthy and directly from the owners, but what about the information? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  23:30, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well to be honest, the fact that he has a BA in Creative Writing and Journalism says a lot. I mean, my degree at the moment will lead me down that route, I could end up doing something which is not too indifferent. He has the expertise and qualifications. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 23:33, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess seeing this is only an album review and not, we could be a bit less strict. I asked for a second opinion, so hopefully I'll get a response. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  23:36, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah I get what you mean, but his degree counts for a lot. He is clearly qualified to write about these sort of things. To me, that makes the site more than reliable considering he is a qualified journalist. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 23:38, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * And I do not disagree. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  23:49, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * So do you accept DJ Booth now? Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 14:01, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry Calvin, I'm still not convinced. I asked Nikkimaria, who said that the BA is not enough to prove expertise on the topic. The site does not have any proof of good editorial oversight or good fact-checking either. I'll have to say no. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  14:08, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * What more do you want from him? He wrote the review, he has a BA in Creative Writing and Journalism. So now not even perfectly qualified people are allowed to be used? I'm sorry but I can't believe this. I know what FA is strict but this is ridiculous. I'm guessing not even an MA or PhD would be satisfactory. They get their information from the records labels themselves, DJ Booth works alongside them. You can't get much closer. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 14:14, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Penguin's talk page is not the place to debate about the reliability of Mr / Mrs / Miss A B C D... Z Jivesh 1205 (Talk)
 * I'm not complaining for the sake of it, Calvin. It's not like I don't want "S&M" to be an FA. There's a universe of difference between a BA and a Masters. The former is not quite sufficient for someone to be considered an expert on the topic. According to the site, they'll hire just about anyone who's "an aspiring DJ, musician, writer, or just a lover of music." That is not a high quality reliable source. It's the same reason About.com isn't accepted. Bill Lamb may be a reputed, but the site isn't. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  14:22, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Having a BA is not something which is should be frowned upon Penguin. I am half way through doing mine and it is hard work. What you have just said is basically like saying that although at the end of it I will have a degree in Film and Literature and will be qualified to review films, I can't be used as a reliable source because a BA is not good enough? Don't take this the wrong way or rudely, but that is quite a weak, and in all honestly, insulting, thing to say, as it completely discredits 3 years of hard work. DO you understand what I am saying? With regard to ""an aspiring DJ, musician, writer, or just a lover of music,", Nathan isn't those things as I have said several times.  Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 14:28, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Sigh... I applaud you for your studies and goal to get a BA, but you keep missing my point. You seem to be treating this like it's GAN. I'm talking about the site as a whole, but you keep talking about Nathan. A high quality online source is a highly reliable website with editorial oversight from a reliable publisher. I'm yet to see that with djbooth.net. It's been brought up twice at RSN and has been concluded as unreliable. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  14:48, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm just really surprised that you don't think a BA is good enough? If he worked for MTV or Rap-Up you wouldn't bat an eyelid. The fact that he wrote it I think should account for something. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 15:18, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Charizard :)
You there? — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  22:40, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I like Blastoise better. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  22:43, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Haha. I don't know why, but I thought you are a Charizard type. I liked Ninetales. :) I mean a liked a lot of them, but he/she was unique. Anyway, I need a tiny favor. Can you check on this section, especially on the first paragraph, cause there are some sentences that read like magazine article and I can't re-word them. Thanks — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  22:46, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Charizard is okay and I do like dragons, but I generally like water-type Pokes over fire. ... I'll be happy to have a look, as long as your edits do not interfere with mine. Cheers, — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  22:56, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You are an excellent person Penguin. Thanks. I also liked how the first part of the paragraph looked before, but this is better of course. I have my doubts for the last sentences. — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  22:58, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you Tomica. I'll get pack to work in a few hours. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  10:57, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Let's agree to disagree
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Wikipedian_Penguin&curid=18344665&diff=472224896&oldid=469207009 This is not true. :D] Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 10:04, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It's pretty embarrassing. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  10:06, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * LOl, my keyboard embarrasses me more than this. Tom and Avi knows that better than all. :P Did you ever notice the amount of typos I leave? In fact, it's because of my keyboard, some of the buttons do not work properly at times. I even called "Halo" as "Haklo" once. :P Jivesh 1205  (Talk) 10:09, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Naw, tyops aernt a bgi dael! I mkae tehm too! — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  10:11, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * :D Not at school? Watch this. This was my surprise. I could not wait for you to be sad. ;) Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 10:15, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Bad weather so no school. Just saw the video; hilarious parody! Lip syncing is perfect. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  10:21, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You have to see all his videos. His parodies slay. Especially the RTW one which received media attention. :D The cyclone is coming here. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 10:24, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * His "Dance for You" is awesome. Respectable guy. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  10:25, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol. What about the countdown part in "Countdown"? And the color alternation? Lol, that's was hilarious. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 10:27, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * (ec) Pretty good. Especially the part where he just stands against the garage door and shakes his head during the countdown. Brilliance. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  10:29, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You have got to be kidding Penguin. Lol. Hey, these parodies always cheer me up when I am not in a good mood. PRA was your top song of 2011, right? There is a parody done by a girl but it's not appropriate for me to post it as her privates pop out when she jumps. :P It's at the top of the right box on the CD parody video page. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 10:33, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Done with LTWYL? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 13:16, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  13:18, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you finished the work on it? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 13:25, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I probably never will be. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  13:26, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol. Why? Are you joking? I am tired of telling you that your article is miles better than millions of others here. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 13:31, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Remind me when it's as good as "Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)", "4 Minutes" or "Rehab", lol. I'm doing some trimming and copy editing. The language is still so awkward in many areas. I'm thinking of printing it out and reading it aloud. It's a tactic that's helped me before and it should help me now. Your advice also helped greatly. I'd appreciate you have a look at the Music video Background section sometime. It'd be appreciated. :-) — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  13:36, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol. I still say it is good. :D There is not better advice I can give than reading it aloud. I can do it now as I am a bit fed up with "If I Were a Boy". Where should I post? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 13:38, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Talk:LTWYL should be good. Thanks, — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  13:40, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

W.E. lead
A little help puhleeeez? Jivesh too. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 05:04, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I've got a to-do list of my own. I'll get to W/E. :-) — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  11:47, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Hugs* — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 15:17, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Working in a sandbox. I haven't a clue what the film is about, lol. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  15:19, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow, I love the way you work and am super impressed. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 15:35, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * And I love the way you lie. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  15:37, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Fuck, I love that shade too. By the way, do you think there would be any oppose in Like a Prayer FAC in terms of sources? I think all of them are high-quality reliable sources no? — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 15:38, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * They all look good. But you might want to add some missing information, like the minute and seconds for the VHS and Laserdisc refs. Ref#94 needs checking out too. Regarding reliability- there aren't any concerns. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  15:48, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

S&M
Can you check to see that I have satisfied your points please? Aaron  &bull; You Da  One 12:24, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I have a long queue of things to do, but I'll get to it. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  12:24, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, because if I have, then the FAC hinges on your vote for the time being. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 12:35, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * My oppose won't have too much weight, as it was only a source review and I had promised I'd strike it out once issues were addressed. Its the prose that really needs checking. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  12:38, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * An oppose is an oppose. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 12:40, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

If you're free
Could you pitch in here? It's driving me crazy. Pancake (talk) 17:16, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I think we have come to an agreement. Just wondering if there will ever be an absolute genre. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:46, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm clearly no diplomat ;p Pancake (talk) 20:14, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Replies
I have left some replies on here. Best, Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  00:22, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll take a look. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:30, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Opinion on BHG
Do you think it has potential for FA? I worked on it (from this to this)today but have not yet finished. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 10:31, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * This can't be used at FA level, right? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 12:45, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Great work on the article. It looks like it has great potential to be a featured article. Blogcritics.org is gross, though. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:32, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It's time I do some polishing. If only I got more reviews for the live performances. :( Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 18:34, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you think I can use this to source the location? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 10:22, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Not again. *weeps* Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 10:50, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The NME video was uploaded by some pedestrian, so no. :) — WP: PENGUIN  ·' [ TALK ]  19:20, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. :))))) Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 08:48, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Should I nominate it now? I always like someone to give me the green light. :D Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 12:33, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Jivesh, did you make maximum use of the link I gave you? I think she also described the concept and the lyrics of the song. My love is love (talk) 12:37, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, but I did not use the lyrics description as she is contradicting whatever she sings in the first verse. :D According to the lyrics, she is hurt but there she says something else. :P Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 12:38, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

You can still use the analysis with attribution. ... Don't nominate it yet. Wait for "Halo"'s FAC to be closed and let me have a closer look. Thank you. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:31, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay wait. Hmm, coming to Beyonce, i am not sure. She is directly contradicting what critics and thee lyrics say. Lol. I mean, if you listen to the first verse, she sings about being cheated and later, she is like if she has not been cheated at all but rather feels insecure about love. This lady is too mysterious. :P Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 18:36, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what's wrong. Follow WP:NOR and WP:VNT. The article's short anyway, just state that this is how one author feels. It can go in Reception if you feel it is too POVed. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:39, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, I think I have understood. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 18:41, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You like it? Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 19:03, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/Jennifer Lopez filmography/archive1
I think it's time for a result. :) — Status  &#x7B;<sup style="margin-left:0.37ex;">talk <sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">contribs  21:00, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/List of Hot 100 number-one singles of 2011 (U.S.)/archive1
Hey Penguin. Thanks for expressing your opinions and queries on the nomination. I tried to respond as fast I could, however there are still some tweaks I am not sure about. Left my comments there. Greetings —  Tomica   (talk)   00:15, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. You did a great job. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  00:32, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. You are flattering me with those comments. However, I can get it with the notes in the table. (I am boring I know) No previous list had that notes in the table, so for consistency I don't know if I should create it here. However, If I still create it, I can not previously picture it in my mind. xD And looked again the responses I gave, you didn't responded on some questions. Thank You —  Tomica   (talk)   00:46, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * We can compromise and I'll let the issue be and wait for other reviewers to comment. I can't promise a support before that though. I see what you mean, and consistency is very important, but I just feel the factoids are misplaced. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  00:50, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay then. Lets hope there are other reviewers who will comment on the nomination. I really want your oppose to become support, and I will go hard for it ;) ! —  Tomica   (talk)   00:57, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You better go hard. I admire your work ethic. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  01:24, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe I have resolved all the other issues, beside the one with notes. And I have another favor. I want to prepare "Unfaithful" for FA. When you have free time, can you add comments on its talk page how can I improve it? Thanks. —  Tomica   (talk)   18:45, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll be glad, but here's my queue:
 * Finish peer review of "We Found Love" (music video).
 * Begin peer review of article Jona asked to look at.
 * Give input on article Baffle gab has been working on
 * Write lead section of W.E.
 * Take a look at an article of two for Jivesh
 * Then it's you...
 * Is it okay if you wait? :-) — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:50, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah sure. I am fine with it. I will ask also other editors to comment there. Your comments can wait ;) ! —  Tomica   (talk)   18:54, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I saw the sandbox work. If I apply the notes section, it means that I should remove the third paragraph. Right? —  Tomica   (talk)   22:11, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter anymore. You can follow the other Hot 100 FLs. Everything's cool. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  22:14, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * What happened? Did I said or made something wrong? :/—  Tomica   (talk)   22:16, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. I changed my mind. This FLC should be no different than the others. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  22:18, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. If there is something that bothered with my behavior just tell. And I think I resolve your issues. Please tell if there is something else. —  Tomica   (talk)   22:29, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * What do you think of this song? I think I'm starting to like Indie rock. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  22:34, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I like it. Its good. Sounds like soft rock, and I like that kind of songs. Can't stand hard rock, screaming and stuff. Also I listen to Bon Jovi. Do you like them?—  Tomica   (talk)   22:38, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

I haven't heard many of their songs. But a lot of my friends like them too, so they must be good. "Human" is probably my favorite song of 2009. It's better than the crap album Eminem came out with--Relapse. I like Coldplay too. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  22:44, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they are sooo good. I mean their lyrics are everyday ones, things that happen. I haven't heard of Relapse xD. Now I see that Eminem had that album. And yeah, Coldplay are fine. Have you heard "Princess of China"? —  Tomica   (talk)   22:52, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * "Viva la Vida" is their best, but "Princess of China" was good too. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  22:56, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

What else could be done on this list so I can get your support?:P Thanks for the tiny c/e on "Unfaithful" by the way ...—  Tomica   (talk)   00:43, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Where
do you think I should put a Director's cut section? Or write about it? Aaron  &bull; You Da  One 19:43, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * What's in the director's cut? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:46, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Look here Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 19:48, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. I wouldn't call that an actual director's cut, which is usually a special uncensored version of a film or clip. I think you can fit this into the Development section, but try your best to paraphrase. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:53, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * This is a bit awkward, but I need to write that Rihanna got her arse tattooed, but what word should I used for arse? lol. Anus?! Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 20:24, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * WTF? What's this about? What's this video rated?! xD — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  20:31, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * For when he tattoo's Rihanna's bum lol. What word for bum should I use?! Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 20:33, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * She didn't tattoo. She wrote "Mine" on her buttock. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  20:37, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well it's not a real tattoo, but it's how Melina describes how he wrote it on her. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 20:39, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You can say buttock. That's as accurate as you'll get. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  20:56, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol that's what I used. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 21:12, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Nah, you said "bum". I wrote "buttock" while copy editing. Wait why are we talking about this? 21:13, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure I did write it lol Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 21:15, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

I was talking about the synopsis, lol. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  21:36, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh I was talking about the development lol. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 21:41, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol does buttock have to be linked? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  21:43, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Buttock cheek lol. This is too funny. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 21:48, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Comments
Hey :-) The PR has been archived so you don't have to leave comments there. I have nominated this discography at FLC and would like to hear your opinions if you aren't too busy. Thanks, Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  21:30, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll use the talk page then. :) I'm no expert at discographies, but I'll try and find time to have a look. Best wishes, — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  21:35, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright thanks :-) Best, Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  21:41, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Hey
Could you do a c/e of List of songs recorded by Rihanna's lead please? Aaron  &bull; You Da  One 15:45, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, copyediting the article before getting through the queue will be unfair to others who are waiting. How long can you wait? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  15:47, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * OKay. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 15:48, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

PISS OFF
STOP GIVING ME WARNINGS YOUR REALLY NOT ALL THAT
 * My heart bleeds for you sweetie. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:14, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Slayed. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 16:26, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * This time the editor's indefblocked. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:28, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * He/She deserves it. :D Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 16:32, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Look at the bottom of the page. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:35, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Legendary. And look at this. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 16:46, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I am so good (at making a mess). — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:47, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Perfect re-structuring. 10 over 10 for you. :D Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 16:51, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Speaking of which, how's the "Halo" FAC coming? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:53, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, everything has been done but I don't know why a delegate is not passing it. :( Jivesh 1205 (Talk)

Patience, my friend. You're lucky this one hasn't gotten a single oppose yet. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:57, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol, don't say this. If I get one, I will die. :P Jivesh 1205 (Talk)

Thanks
For notify me, you've made my day. Woooohooooo Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions.  21:04, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Lighters (song)
--24.107.242.174 (talk) 22:14, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank You...
I am so happy. :D Thanks for everything. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 04:38, 29 January 2012 (UTC)


 * :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 05:06, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  10:39, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol, not again. I am really unlucky. :P On a different note (still unlucky), I cannot find a single reliable source for these song. The irony is that they have so many views on YouTube. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 10:52, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You can remove the information if there are no sources. Unreleased songs are very controversial information for an encyclopedia anyway, sorry. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  10:56, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 10:59, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I would have taken an eternity to find the diff. :D Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 13:53, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Looks like you'll be moving on to round 2. And you're in the top 3! — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  13:55, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol, we all will move there. Trust me. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 14:03, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Hey
Thanks for copy-editing We Found Love's video, I've only just looked at the history. Aaron  &bull; You Da  One 17:34, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. :-) I'll get that finished asap. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  18:24, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you so very much for your amazing copyedit to 21. I really appreciate it. I notice that not much was changed in the "Writing and Recording" and the "Song Structure and themes" sections. Here's to hoping that these sections aren't as awful as I thought they were hahha. Thanks again, and I'll return the favour soon. You may comment if you wish at the article's peer review. Oran e  (talk)  23:15, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I wish I could comment, but I'm afraid that if I do so, more experienced reviewers will be driven away by the fact that it has already received sufficient input. I'll stick to the talk page if that's OK. L.O.L, I didn't thoroughly read the production sections as I've read them enough times ;-). I was just looking at the Critical reception section as from experience I know this is a section that can be problematic at times. I just did some copy editing to make the article more neutral, reduce the Adele's-fucking-awesome tone to not insult Lady Gaga stans. :-) — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  23:21, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep, talk page is perfectly ok. And now I'm worried for the production section lol :( I think they're gonna rip through it. But yeah, the "Adele's-fucking-awesome" was subconscious. Gotta be more mindful of that (on a side note, isn't she fucking amazing?! haha). Oran e   (talk)  23:29, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol, I haven't read the Chart performance section, but can only imagine how it's written. Just joking, btw. I'll look at the production section once more and then Charts and impact--all before the Grammys. Best wishes and good luck with the PR and FAC, — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  23:36, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It's written exactly how you think it is written. Prepare to cringe hahhaha. Oran e   (talk)  23:38, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Tell that to the little monsters, haha. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  23:40, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Contrary to beliefs, I don't love throwing the fact that Adele sold 17 million in a year (and broke records in every country and demolished Born This Way, which Gaga proclaimed 'the album of the decade' (yeah right)), in her little monster's face. And, I'll also point out that it would be childish to say that Gaga got pwned by Adele, or that Adele slayed her :P. So I won't say it. Oran e  (talk)  23:49, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You have every right to sensibly opine about her, but I agree what you said is true. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  23:58, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * By saying I wont say it, I actually was saying it :D Oran e   (talk)  00:07, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you're stressing out a bit too much over the article. It's really not as bad as you would think. I don't think it would have a low chance of passing, but I'll do everything I can to bring it the the criterion 1a standard. You're job is simply commendable. By the way, I was a bit surprised to see only one image in the whole article. I'm not asking you replace the Rubin picture, but do you think the article can be illustrated in any other way? Thanks, — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  00:14, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, could replace the Rubin pic. It was part of my plan to trim the article as best I could. Thanks for the compliments, and for your edits. Oran e   (talk)  06:29, 31 January 2012 (UTC)