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Always start a new section at the bottom of the talk page only. undefinedBill william compton Talk  06:14, 6 March 2011 (UTC)


 * thank you to both you and Johanneswiberg for correcting me and helping me do it right as you can see I have borrowed the stop icon to remind me in future

This is here to remind ME to do it - not you

Aquatic Ape discussion
I'm sorry, but what are you doing on the "Aquatic Ape Hypothesis" page? How is this armchair conjecture in any way suitable for an Encyclopedia? Why would you write "evolutionary science is highly contested", when the Wikipedia page on Evolution so clearly states that it is not, backed up with a ton of sources? If you think something is wrong over there, go there and fix it (with peer-reviewed sources) but don't sneak something in on the AAH page. Whether you believe this yourself or not is another matter, but an encyclopedia can't go against itself, agreed? Johanneswiberg (talk) 12:03, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Your source from "Science and Culture" was a good one but applying that on AAH violates WP:OR. Johanneswiberg (talk) 12:20, 25 June 2011 (UTC)


 * "i did not sneak into the aquatic ape page, this is not a question about evolution, evolution is widely accepted with science, this is a contest between different schools of thought WITHIN SCIENCE about how an aspect of humane evolution happened. your need to appeal to the higher ground of evolution shows how insecure your arguments are, also the way you ignore and delet fully cited data shows that your prejudiced about how the page is read. I am recognising with the encyclopaedia that these ideas are controversial and that science is not fixed but many parts of it are controversial. Your appeal to peer review is just another example of your lack of argument - which peers? the peers you agree with? the journals you read? i am pointing out that as is recognised by philosphers and historians of science that science is not of one mind, and you would be a better scientist and contributor to wikipedia if you recognised this fact."


 * - why would you write "evolutionary science is highly contested" if it is widely accepted?
 * I haven't deleted fully cited data. See version history on the AAH page if you don't believe me.
 * Science is not of one mind, true. I never said it was. But arguing against scientific consensus is NOT the purpose of Wikipedia. Wikipedia isn't about presenting logic or truth, it is about verifiability (WP:V).
 * Peer review has nothing to do with "my peers" or "journals I read". Science is based on peer review in scientific journals, and repeatability.
 * Please refrain from personal attacks, it's not nice and it's against the rules. I will attempt to be civil as well.Johanneswiberg (talk) 12:35, 25 June 2011 (UTC)


 * yes your right about evolutionary science - that was bad mistake on my part - I meant to say human development, thought I had corrected it on my read through but clearly had missed it
 * science is not based on peer review, science within schools of thought are based on peer review, schools of scientific thought are argued about in different journals. Again repeatability is a scientific method the problem that can be useful. Another mechanism is to make predictions and look for evidence, Aquatic Ape has done so and found evidence in other species that shows correlation but as we both know correlation is not proof
 * and i am sorry for the personal attack. Please understand how i might feel when my writing is constantly deleted without apparent evidence instead of being edited. I have taken aboard the corrections and have made corrections, but rather than correcting what i have done it has simply been erased from existence, which suggests malice as opposed to academic thought.
 * just for an appeal to higher ground - I did my masters in the history and philosophy of science, medicine and society at birkbeck university of london under the auspices of the welcome foundation. X-mass (talk) 12:49, 25 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I should have written "the scientific method is based on full disclosure (commonly done through publication in peer reviewed journals) and repeatability". I refer you to "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_scientific_method" for more info. Proof, on the other hand, is not a scientific term commonly used other than in mathematics. You probably mean evidence. If there isn't evidence for a hypothesis, and if the hypothesis can't be falsified, then it cannot become a theory ("intelligent design" is a good example of this).


 * I still don't see how your changes on AAH has a place on Wikipedia. The hypothesis is not regarded as a valid scientific theory by a majority of the scientific community. Your introduction reads like a defense of the hypothesis and a challenge to its status, and that kind of material is not suitable. Read the Wikipedia guidelines if you have any doubt. Johanneswiberg (talk) 13:11, 25 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Two other users have agreed with me so far and deleted your contributions. Please post your arguments on the AAH talk page before making additional changes. Johanneswiberg (talk) 13:39, 25 June 2011 (UTC)


 * their is good solid evidence, new data has been repeated found, however their evidence however is repeatedly rejected and contested by other schools of thought. that doesn't make the theory a hypothesis is merely is a contest around a theory. The wallace/darwin theory of evolution was based on evidence that was repudiated by other schools of thought at the time, it is only now that it is considered ascendant.
 * my understanding of wikipedia was that it job was to be encyclopaedic not dogmatic. If its role is only to reflect the current majority view about a particular world at any one time, then the wikipedia of china would be right to remove all references to multi-party democracy as invalid and flawed idea held by a few anti-republican reactionaries. Equally if wikipedia existed in the eighteenth century any mention of science would have been removed as heretical and a challenge to the truth of gods law. Or for that matter if it existed in the 1950's where plate-tectonics would have been considered a minor theory, with little evidence, to challenge the then accepted model of a cooling earth.
 * The entire article reads like an attack on aquatic ape, so clearly anything that brings it back into a balanced article will read like a defence. My introduction is not a defence, it may look like a defence from your position, I have been strenuous in recognising that this a controversy with more than one view between different schools of scientific thought.


 * I agree with you that the article isn't ideal, and that parts of it might have an undue focus on criticism. But if you want to change this, start by presenting the "good solid evidence" that you refer to. If it is verifiable, then it should be included. If it has been rejected by the scientific community, then it shouldn't be presented in an encyclopedia.
 * A controversy in a scientific sense is not the same as differing opinions. Wikipedia shouldn't present the "flat earth theory" next to the "round earth theory" - even if there are genuine proponents of the flat earth theory who claim that they have evidence and that they have been unfairly rejected (I did not bring this up to ridicule AAH, just to show you that differing opinions can exist everywhere, it doesn't mean they are both equal).
 * All that counts on Wikipedia is verifiability, and for that you need good sources. Once again, check the guidelines. Johanneswiberg (talk) 14:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

For a better understanding of what Johanneswiberg is saying, I suggest you read wp:5P. It gives a good start on what we do and how we do it. For more detail, wp:Verifiability, wp:Reliable sources and wp:No original research will help solidify your policy grounding. To be sure, many editors seem to take on contentious topics before learning the basics here. That makes for a stressful introduction to wikipedia, but also for faster learning. If you don't actively enjoy making errors and getting troutslapped for them, you may wish to work on less controversial topics for a while. Cheers, LeadSongDog come howl!  19:12, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

3RR
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September 2011
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re ldl
There wasn't anything wrong with the edit - the problem is that any time you remove material that has a source, and replace it with material that lacks sourcing - it raises red flags. I'd recommend posting the changes you want to do to the talk page first, then see if anyone raises objections to it. It seems like a reasonable edit, but it needs to be supported by sources - if not in the lede, then later in the article. Anastrophe (talk) 05:38, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

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Edit War Warning
Please read WP:EW and note that you are currently at 4RR on the Koch BLP, and I urgently suggest you immediately self-revert at this point, else you will most assuredly be locked or banned from editing. Cheers. Collect (talk) 14:54, 16 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Please -- especially as i am already involved in the longer-standing and parallel discussion of this matter at Talk:Koch_family -- excuse my injecting myself into what may have been the beginning of a dialogue. "4RR" may FAIK have some unfortunately wide usage, but in any case the term should be avoided: WP:3RR is a real and foundational policy, and evoking a misnomer like "4RR" for an act (to wit, violating 3RR), that courts banning from editing about the Koch bros. or Blocking from editing WP at all, is at best foolishness. X-mass is indeed already on thin ice (tho nuances like "assuredly" are actually not worth discussing), and deserves better counsel than inducing fantasies about a "4RR".  BTW, WP:BLP is indeed worthy of mention especially when accompanied by linking, particularly as, IIRC, it has not been invoked in the discussion on the article's talk page. --Jerzy•t 20:17, 17 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Collect refenced BLP - which means nothing to me - however on their page I found WP:BLP which I then read and then Oh **** and **** and AH, I SEEE!! And I haven't done any edits since re anything to do with the Koch's - nor will I. Does that help, explain what has been going on. What we've got here is failure to communicate and that's as much my fault as anyone else X-mass (talk) 09:10, 18 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Gosh, i left this page open in my browser, and almost 2 weeks have passed. Now i have no idea whether my recent attention to the F-to-C article preceded or followed your mention of it: i.e., whether you drew my attention to it & made me think about doing some edits there, or whether you noticed a contrib by me there, & found it also relevant to your circumstance. Reminds me of a little song about two people in a bar showing each other nude photos of their lovers. (Well, lemme be honest rather than gender-blind: the two photo-bugs in the song are both male, and the situation probably can't come anywhere as close to ringing true if they're both female.) The singer says "Ain't life funny", bcz the photos that each one has respectively turn out to feature the other's spouse.  Ain't life funny? And sometimes it's funny to notice whether it really makes a difference which direction the F-to-C is running. --Jerzy•t 06:45 &06:54, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

CN Lester and gay–straight alliances
Hi,

You recently changed the lede at CN Lester to state that they set up the UK's second gay–straight alliance, not the first. This isn't supported by the cited source (which, being the Independent, should be a pretty reliable source), so I've changed it back.

Nonetheless, if you have a source that contradicts this, let me know and we can see how to integrate it.

Thanks!

—me_and 17:09, 9 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Ah, I just saw you put a comment on the talk page about this. Should have checked that already. I'll respond there. —me_and 09:18, 10 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Actually thanks I realised that I had misrembered it and your in fact correct - it was GNSA - Gender and Sexuality Alliance NOT gay and straight alliance. So thanks for the correction X-mass (talk) 12:00, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

June 2015
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See my talk page
As I said in my edit summary, see my talk page, where I have responded. There are serious issues with your edit. Saying that the reference resolves is completely irrelevant. It doesn't matter that the source is there, that's not what I'm contesting. Discuss this material before you reinsert it. It will not be in the article until it is properly verified and the issues are resolved. - Aoidh (talk) 12:30, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Suicide is no higher for LGBT youth than any other group


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