Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/New York State Route 22


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 16:01, 29 August 2008.

New York State Route 22

 * Nominator(s): Mitch 32(UP)
 * previous FAC (00:39, 29 July 2008)

This is the article's 2nd FAC. It has been greatly improved since the last FAC, for which I was on vacation for. This article in my mind, now deserves a 2nd chance. Mitch 32(UP) 20:41, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look good, links checked out with the link checkerd tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:25, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments on images —This is part of a comment by  Awadewit   which was interrupted by the following:
 * Image:NY Route 22 map.png - The description needs to indicate the source for the map information. Also, ideally maps need to be in svg format.
 * #1 done & #2 not done - Mitch 32(UP) 23:02, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Image:NY 22 first reassurance shield.jpg - Link to the userpage is red.
 * Done - Mitch 32(UP) 16:51, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Image:NY 22 - US 4 concurrency signs.jpg - Link to the userpage is red.
 * Done - Mitch 32(UP) 16:51, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Image:NY 74-NY 22 split at NY 9N in Ticonderoga.JPG - Link to the userpage is red.
 * Done - Mitch 32(UP) 16:51, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Image:NY 9N-NY 22 concurrency signs in Ticonderoga.jpg - Link to the userpage is red.
 * Done - Mitch 32(UP) 16:51, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Image:145stbrfeb.JPG - No indication who the author is - is it the uploader?
 * Says that he is the copyight holder of the work in the licensing. Mitch 32(UP) 16:51, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The licensing just says "I". Awadewit (talk) 17:01, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I replaced it with a more clear copyright image. Mitch 32(UP) 23:00, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks just the same to me. Awadewit (talk) 19:49, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * What is the status of this image? Awadewit (talk) 20:33, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, the image description says who the author is, the one who uploaded it. He even mentions his own name. Mitch 32(UP) 20:38, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * But it doesn't - are we looking at the same thing? Image:145stbrfeb.JPG Awadewit (talk) 14:06, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I said I had replaced the image with a more clear copyright one - Image:Harlem - W124st - Malcolm X - south.jpg. Mitch 32(UP) 14:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah - well providing the link makes all the difference. I thought you meant you had fixed the copyright tag! Yes, this looks fine. Awadewit (talk) 14:25, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Image:NYSR22 WashingtonCty.jpg - Why do you believe this is in the PD?
 * The source of the image here does say it is public domain. I do realize that may be insufficient for Wikipedia purposes but since I am not very familiar with image licensing, what do we need to do about this? Thanks. --Polaron | Talk 16:09, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, yes, I see that. Sorry. Awadewit (talk) 16:37, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Mitch, if you don't have an account on Commons, you should link to your English Wikipedia userpage. Awadewit (talk) 16:00, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied to most. I have a commons account, but I had never made a userpage. Mitch 32(UP) 16:51, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Image concerns are all cleared up. Awadewit (talk) 14:25, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Support ĈőмρǖтέŗĠύʎ890100 (t ↔ Ĕ ↔ ώ) Review me! 22:28, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Any rationale for your support? –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  22:33, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The reasons are listed above. ĈőмρǖтέŗĠύʎ890100 (t ↔ Ĕ ↔ ώ) Review me! 23:17, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Neutral. Leaning towards support, but it's disappointing to spot-check and find things to complain of so easily:
 * "The highway gradually expands to three and sometimes four lanes as it passes some built-up areas with of strip development."
 * "Past the village, the railroad tracks come closer to the highway as NY 22 enters the scenic Harlem Valley, which lends its name to the line.[5] The road starts to curve more gently and take longer straightaways, with less development." Which line—the railroad (oh, perhaps I'm missing a common US name for roads)? There's a lot of the word "come" around; try "edges close" here? Remove "starts to"? "with less development" is vague, and could even refer to the development of the road itself. Do you mean "with a lower density of commercial and residential development along its sides", or some such?
 * "Located" is usually redundant: it is here.
 * "Finally ends"—both words necessary?
 * "Massachusetts takes Connecticut's place as the state behind Alander Mountain and the other peaks visible to the east." This notion of replacement is a bit laboured here. Unsure how to reword it.
 * "on its way to state line-straddling Catamount Ski Center"—eeuuuw. Should be two hyphens, but it's an ugly duckling; rephrase to avoid the triple adjective. the CSC, which straddles ...

Hmmmm ... Tony  (talk)  09:03, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The last two bullet points have indeed been somewhat difficult to phrase over the various versions. I'll try and see if I can come up with better phrasing tonight and post here again when changes have been made. The rest of your suggestions do indeed read better and we'll implement them as well. Thanks. --Polaron | Talk 12:27, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * UPDATE: Improvements per above have been made. Regarding the 4th bullet point, I've changed the text to "North of the county line, Massachusetts becomes the state behind Alander Mountain and the other peaks visible to the east." Admittedly not the clearest way to say it but I think it is slightly better than the previous version. As for the 5th bullet point, I have reworded it to say "on its way to Catamount Ski Center, which straddles the New York–Massachusetts state line.", which is probably the best way to say it. Please let us know if these changes work. Thanks. --Polaron | Talk 18:25, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Support, well done. A few glitches:
 * "Two miles from Pawling, the Appalachian Trail crosses the road next to its own flag stop on the line." Not crazy about the "its own" easter-egg link.
 * "... an area once the subject of a boundary dispute between New York and Connecticut." When?
 * "Within the park, NY 22 mainly follows the lakeshore, closer to some of its more populated areas." People live in the national park? -- Laser brain   (talk)  06:10, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comments. I'll fix the first point to say "...next to the Applachian Trail flag stop..." and I'll also add the time period of the border dispute. As for the third point, yes, there are villages and hamlets located within the Adirondack Park lands.


 * Support I'm sure I could find a bunch of things to nit-pick, but I read the article before the FAC, and it generally meets the criteria. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  15:42, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
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