Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Aston Villa F.C. statistics and records


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:The Rambling Man 17:25, 14 September 2008.

Aston Villa F.C. statistics and records
previous FLC (22:24, 19 February 2008)
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I am renominating this as I think I have dealt with all the problems highlighted in the previous FLC. The things I have not remedied: record transfer fees received; I have not found a single source that collates this, as such, it would be original research to a point. I also don't see the complete relevancy for this, the record transfer fees paid is hugely relevant, fees paid not so much. So, here we go again. Thanks for your time. Woody (talk) 12:40, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Support If you feel it would be pretty much impossible to get those record highest and lowest attendances, then nevermind really, I feel it meets the FL criteria anyway. Good work. Mattythewhite (talk) 10:52, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

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 * What makes the following reliable sources?
 * http://www.englandfootballonline.com/index.html
 * Well used, and well trusted site. Professionally run and even recommended as a ref by FOOTY.
 * To determine the reliablity of the site, we need to know what sort of fact checking they do. You can establish this by showing news articles that say the site is reliable/noteworthy/etc. or you can show a page on the site that gives their rules for submissions/etc. or you can show they are backed by a media company/university/institute, or you can show that the website gives its sources and methods, or there are some other ways that would work too. It's their reputation for reliabilty that needs to be demonstrated. Please see Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-26/Dispatches for further detailed information. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * http://www.toffeeweb.com/
 * Removed Woody (talk) 15:49, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * http://web.telia.com/~u27301997/start.html
 * Removed Woody (talk) 15:49, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * http://www.heroesandvillains.net/
 * Removed (turns out it was completely wrong as well) Woody (talk) 15:49, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Current ref 23 is lacking a publisher
 * Otherwise sources look okay. Links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:31, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Added publisher, removed three, commented about one. Woody (talk) 15:49, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Removed last remaining questionable ref now. Woody (talk) 21:49, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Support, assuming you decide whether or not a player's name should be wikilinked in his image caption, and de-link Mellberg or link Young accordingly. well done, cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:01, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikilinked, thanks for the review. Woody (talk) 17:53, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment from
 * I found various sources for the Curtis Davies transfer, quoting the fee variously as 8, 9 and 10 million (for the references, see the Curtis Davies article itself or West Bromwich Albion F.C.). If you're saying that the source quoting 8 million is a more reliable figure then you should say why that source is more reliable. --Jameboy (talk) 22:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * See these diffs. Essentially, I have removed him from the table because the sources differ so much. I don't think it is correct to include him in the table given the speculative nature of the fee. Milner is more certain as the media were unequivocally stating that his was the club's record transfer, so that is on a much surer footing. (Sorry about the tardiness of the reply, I was away for the week). Regards. Woody (talk) 21:49, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, a few more things I've spotted, having looked at it more thoroughly.
 * For the youngest & oldest player, would it be possible to mention which competition each record was set in?
 * "From" (club) column in "Record transfer fees paid" needs consistent alignment (I'd suggest left-aligned)
 * Adding a results section for European football only seems like a strange inclusion and something I probably wouldn't expect to see here. It seems kind of arbitrary to include results only from Europe and not from domestic football (space issues aside). Does it need to be there?
 * Returning to the transfers, I'm not convinced by your reasons for including Milner but not Davies. The reference in the Milner article (from The Guardian) gives Milner's fee as £12m, which differs from the £10m in the footnote here, so I don't see it as being any more certain. Whether quoted as a record fee or not, is still undisclosed. I think you should include both Milner and Davies in the table (with footnotes) or omit both (with explanatory text/footnotes). --Jameboy (talk) 19:33, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I have done the first one, the second one is already done (is it not done for you? It renders correctly as far as I can see), I have removed Milner from the list and wrote about him in the intro para for that section. In terms of Europe, I feel that it is important to have them listed, Europe is above the other competitions in terms of standards and is well respected and wanted in terms of information. I know it is otherstuffexists, but it is included in other FLs. I also note that this has already been promoted, so any further comments should probably go on the article talkpage. Regards. Woody (talk) 20:10, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - With all the above issues accounted for, I can see no reason why this doesn't meet the Featured List Criteria, quality work. Sunderland06  (talk) 12:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
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