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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted 22:24, 19 February 2008.

Aston Villa F.C. statistics and records
This follows in the wake of the FLC of List of Ipswich Town F.C. statistics and records. It is a list that contains the key records and statistics of Aston Villa F.C It is part of a drive towards featured topic status. This article has undergone a very recent peer review which fixed most problems I think. Feel free to prove me wrong... ;) Woody (talk) 22:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment A few comments.
 * Reference [10] needs unbolding.
 * Article should be made for the 1961 Football League Cup Final.
 * Captions for the pictures of Marcus Allbäck and Olof Mellberg need commas adding. And "world cup" needs capitalising in Mellberg's picture.
 * Reference [19] needs gap removing.
 * More references needed for "International" section.
 * So does "World Cup participants".
 * Maybe this could be made sortable?
 * "Record transfer fees" needs clarifying - is it the record paid or received? Not clear on sight.
 * After seeing it is record transfer fees paid, what about record transfer fees received?
 * Could the "Goals" section be expanded?
 * Don't think "Record Wins" and "Record Defeats" need to be capitalised.
 * Could a "Record consecutive results" section be added, like in the Ipswich article?
 * I think the table in "Aston Villa in Europe" could be modified to give separate columns for the home and away results, like in the Ipswich article.
 * And maybe explain how Villa qualified, like in the Ipswich article?

That's about it. Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 23:55, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I have done the easy stuff (ie fix refs, captions etc) I am working on getting refs for the internationals. I personally don't see the need for a tranfer fees received table. I don't see them as that important for the club. Woody (talk) 17:21, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment A couple of other comments to add to the above
 * v for versus is inconsistent, sometimes in italics sometimes not. I'd rather see it without, but it needs amending either way
 * Can you supply more dates for games, where either just the year or month and year appears. Peanut4 (talk) 01:19, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Done the versus, working on the dates, thanks. Woody (talk) 17:21, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Comments hey guys, guess it's partly my fault we're here (you'll be glad to hear if you haven't already seen ITFC stats made FL last night), so here are some comments... That's it for me... The Rambling Man (talk) 17:28, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * When you're in there editing, bear in mind that articles such as 1888 in football (soccer) have now changed to 1888 in association football so it'd be neat to reduce the redirection (but only if you're editing something else as well!).
 * European honours - paragraph is cited with [7], Intertoto cup is cited with [7] but nothing on European Cup and Super Cup... appears anomalous to me.
 * What does "(1*)" signify in the Charity Shield? I guess shared but you state that afterwards so is it necessary?
 * Shouldn't Year in the appearances table be Years?
 * Try to get the top appearances and top tables the same widths...
 * Wikilink the foreign teams to national football team pages rather than just countries.
 * "This section lists all players who have played in a World Cup Finals game." - no other sections have a "this section..." - try a sentence or two about Villa's euro heroes and let the table speak for itself thereinafter! Also, centrally align the year in that table.  Probably also worth wikilinking to FIFA World Cup somewhere around there.
 * What about record player sales?

Comments This list is well-constructed – the basic format was used in a similar recently promoted list – and has plenty of appropriate images. Still needs a bit of work though. (Sorry about the amount of comments, though many are minor. Since peer-reviewing this list, my ideas about how these lists should work have solidified rather.) all for now, Struway2 (talk) 09:38, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Lead needs a bit of a copyedit.
 * Honours. In "domestically and in European Cup competitions", cup wants a small 'c'.
 * The club article MoS recommends including second places while accepting that For clubs with a large number of major trophies, it may be appropriate to omit second places, so you wouldn't include runners-up spots in the corresponding section of the main club article. However I do think it would be appropriate to include them here.
 * Charity Shield doesn't need the asterisk as well as (shared).
 * Appearances. You may want to add the division/competition in which your youngest and oldest players made their appearances.
 * Goalscorers. Likewise for Mr Waring's league record. "Most League goals" wants a small 'l', and that line doesn't need to wikilink Waring and the season again.
 * International. If you lead into this with a sentence saying something like This section refers only to caps won while an Aston Villa player, it'd save having to repeat the club name in every record.
 * For Brown and Vaughton, could add their opponents.
 * Each of these records needs a reference.
 * As do World Cup participants.
 * I'd expect to see record transfer fees received as well as paid.
 * Goals. League wants a small 'l'. Consider adding fewest scored and most/fewest conceded.
 * Matches. Consider adding first league match, first match at Villa Park. Add divisions to record league anythings.
 * Record defeats. What's the difference between the 0-7s and the 7-0?
 * Some records in this section are unreferenced.
 * Aston Villa in Europe. Consider making two columns for the scores in the two legs. Either way, clarify what the scorelines refer to.
 * Consider noting how Villa qualified for each competition.
 * Should 2002 InterToto Cup not be 2001?
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.