Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Joan Gamper Trophy/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 22:05, 7 September 2010.

Joan Gamper Trophy

 * Nominator(s): Sandman888 (talk) Latest FAC 05:55, 17 August 2010 (UTC), User:Djln

I already have one here with two supports, and hopefully another reviewer will support so it can be closed. Due to calls for more FLCs I hereby nom this. This is quite the inverse of my earlier FLC in terms of complexion, being basically a copy of a RSSSF list. Have a go at it! Sandman888 (talk) Latest FAC 05:55, 17 August 2010 (UTC) I co-nomed Djln, he doesn't answer to talkpage queries.
 * Comment - why is the list in backwards chronological order? Existing FLs such as List of FA Cup winners, etc etc, are all in forwards chronological order, I see no compelling reason for this one to be different...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:57, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * re-ordered per WP:SALAT Sandman888 (talk) Latest FAC 10:26, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment—no dab links, no dead external links. Ucucha 06:40, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - general refs should go before specific refs. Can't see any issues other than that...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:05, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Anything else that will sway you to support? Sandman888 (talk) Latest PR 09:10, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - all looks OK now to me -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:09, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. I'd have the general reference font size the same as the specific ones, but its no big deal. Good work. Argyle 4 Life  talk  20:39, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. I just added a couple of things that you can revise. You have done a very good work. I only have one small comment regarding the "Flag legend" section. Is that section really needed?. If a flag is unknown for you at any of the tables, you can always place the mouse on it, and a yellow text is telling you the country. Anyway, if you finally decide to keep this section, I would rather move it below all the tables. --Jordiferrer (talk) 10:08, 1 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Support. Courcelles 00:53, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Comments. Oppose Sorry, but I'll have to oppose on the flags. Daresay most of us have bits of the MoS that we're not keen on, but I don't think this is one that can be ignored. Are there no other lists of this type? if there are, how do they deal with the issue? Struway2 (talk) 12:54, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * MOS:FLAG says that "The name of a flag's country ... should appear adjacent to the first use of the flag icon, as not all readers are familiar with all flags." Further, in sortable tables, each row should be able to stand on its own, so the name would need to be repeated for each use, just as you have with the club names.
 * Yes I thought about that, hated as it is it's still 'policy'. I recommend we ignore it, the only solution is to remove the flags which I don't see how anyone can gain from. Including four extra columns for all of the flags would be horrible. Sandman888 (talk) Latest PR 21:42, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Legend added per recommendation on MoS#Flag. I'm unaware of similar lists. Sandman888 (talk) Latest PR 08:16, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comments shuffled a bit to put whole conversation together. My fault for separating them in the first place. Thank you for taking the trouble to seek advice at WT:MOSICON. I'm no expert on accessibility considerations: if providing a legend is an accessible alternative to using country names with flags, then I strike my oppose. Struway2 (talk) 10:30, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Table. Aren't numeric columns (edition, year, score) normally centre-aligned?
 * I havn't thought of that before you asked. A question of taste I guess, I do not think the layout as such stand out.
 * Probably a matter of taste, See if others have a view. Struway2 (talk) 20:26, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Numbers such as km or kg are better should preferably be right-aligned. Regarding a match score, both left and center seem fine.--Jordiferrer (talk) 00:10, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * All done except if commented on. Thanks for the review! Sandman888 (talk) Latest PR 23:40, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Oppose A legend may be added but it's still a multicoloured mess. The flags should go. Words are clearerGnevin (talk) 15:04, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree that legend could do with some reformatting, but otherwise it meets policy. --WFC-- 15:17, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I have, flattering the aesthetic considerations of the MoS#icons people, removed the flags from the participation by country. Sandman888 (talk) Latest PR 16:46, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * That strikes a good balance in my opinion. The flags are clearly relevant in the big table, even if they are not to everyone's tastes. --WFC-- 16:50, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Support – Meets FL standards. While I personally prefer score and year columns to be center-aligned, it's not something I feel strongly enough about to withhold support over.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 23:08, 2 September 2010 (UTC)


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