Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Sunderland A.F.C. players


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 00:09, 28 August 2008.

List of Sunderland A.F.C. players
I have nominated this article for featured list candidate as I feel it satisfies the criteria, and I would be willing to address any concerns raised in the FLC as soon as possible. Thanks. Sunderland06 (talk) 14:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Support- Execellent and well written list. Mackemfixer (talk) 15:07, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Some of the players' positions are very generic, while others are quite specific. For example, there's only one attacking midfielder, but I'm sure that more than one attacking midfielder has played for Sunderland in the past. Therefore, I would suggest that you make the positions generic for all players, using "Goalkeeper", "Defender", "Midfielder" and "Forward" as the four options. In the case of players who played in the 19th century and early 20th century, full-backs should be classed as defenders, half-backs as midfielders and outside, inside and centre forwards should be classed as forwards. – PeeJay 15:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Done - Changed them to generic. Sunderland06  (talk) 15:41, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Support – PeeJay 08:35, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Support Now comments deal with. Well done. Mattythewhite (talk) 11:56, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * You may want to separate notes from references, as you have done with Sunderland A.F.C. seasons. Would make the notes readable and the reference section much smaller. Done - Added Footnotes section.
 * Have a check through the references. ##1 and 13 are the same ref, so you could combine. Newspapers go in the work parameter in cite templates, not publisher. #11, #15 have unnecessary capitals. #12 book sources don't need access dates. Done - Fixed.
 * Date joined and left column headings are misleading, if as you said at the PR the years represent first and last first-team game played.
 * Comment - Do you think it would be best I just had a single column for the career span instead of separate columns for joined and left? Sunderland06  (talk) 14:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If you want to be able to sort on year of last game, stay with separate columns; if not, probably one column is clearer, particularly for players with two spells at the club. Either way, perhaps you could add a note above the table, or a footnote attached to the column heading(s), saying the year indicates the player's first and/or last first-team match for the club. I might go and do the same for some other list :-) Done - Added footnotes.
 * Also, you have typos in Jimmy Millar's dates. Done - Fixed. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:25, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Support from Killervogel5

Comments
 * What makes the following reliable sources?
 * http://www.thestatcat.co.uk/default.asp
 * Firstly, this website, along with London Hearts, England Stats, Northern Ireland's Footballing Greats and Soccerscene are among the trusted websites in the Football WikiProject, they are merely a statistician database, where the appearances, goals and other various stats are collected, and none of them are publicly edited.
 * , related site,, plus numerous mentioning of subpages of the website; especially player profiles.
 * http://www.londonhearts.com/index.htm
 * As above, it is used for stats of former and current Scotland national football team players and managers.
 * ,, , annual meeting, also having the individual pages for profiles etc mentioned regularly.
 * http://www.englandstats.com/
 * As above, it is used for stats of former and current England national football team players and managers.
 * 4th hit on google, when searching for "England statistics" and 1st hit when searching for "England football statistics" above RSSSF, and ., , as mentioned on previous FLC's and FAC's, it is very highly regarded by its WikiProject at WP:FOOTY in the links page.
 * http://nifootball.blogspot.com/
 * As above, and although this is a blogspot website, it is a trusted website of the Football WikiProject for Northern Ireland stats, the owner of the website merely uses the blog format as a cheap host.
 * This website is a sister website of and although it is a blog, as before mentioned, it is strictly to use as cheap hosting, as an alternative to a domain. A user also explained to me about the website here after I had suspicions about the site.
 * http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/SUNDERcommon.htm
 * Spartacus is a website made by John Simkin, it is only edited by him, and he has also written for the Guardian's educational website. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/author.htm
 * Guardian news page about editor of the website, interview with author wikipedia sub section; here.
 * http://soccerscene.ie/
 * As above, it is used for stats of former and current Republic of Ireland national football team players and managers.
 * Third site on, , aswell as a whole host of individual subpage links.
 * http://www.fa-cupfinals.co.uk/index.htm
 * The FA Cup Finals website details every FA Cup season since its beginning in 1872 and is merely a database of results.
 * 5th google hit when searching "fa cup finals", heavily linked through.
 * http://www.4thegame.com/
 * 4 The Game is again a stats website, similar to Soccerbase and Football Club History Database, it is a branch off from its parent website, Total Sport Online.
 * Sourced from numerous articles in, , it is aswell linked in many different individual news articles.
 * Am I correct in supposing that http://www.a-love-supreme.com/index.htm is the website of a magazine/newspaper?
 * Yes, it is a magazine for the club.
 * http://www.walesonline.co.uk/ am I correct that this is a publishing company?
 * Yeah, that's right.
 * Otherwise sources look good, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:33, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I am very sorry about the wait, I have been occupied and this thing just slipped my mind. Thanks. Sunderland06  (talk) 17:21, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * To determine the reliablity of the site, we need to know what sort of fact checking they do. You can establish this by showing news articles that say the site is reliable/noteworthy/etc. or you can show a page on the site that gives their rules for submissions/etc. or you can show they are backed by a media company/university/institute, or you can show that the website gives its sources and methods, or there are some other ways that would work too. It's their reputation for reliabilty that needs to be demonstrated. Please see Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-26/Dispatches for further detailed information. Ealdgyth - Talk 21:07, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment: Bill_Walsh is an ambiguous link. — Dispenser 00:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Created the article, now linked correrctly. Sunderland06  (talk) 16:27, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
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