Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Sunderland A.F.C. seasons


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The list was promoted by User:The Rambling Man 17:25, 14 September 2008.

Sunderland A.F.C. seasons
I am nominating this article for featured list candidate because I think it is up to the criteria. Thanks. Sunderland06 (talk) 18:08, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * What makes http://www.thestatcat.co.uk/default.asp a reliable source?
 * StatCat is a comprehensive database of Sunderland A.F.C. stats, covering every game ever played by the team, it is only edited by the owner of the website, it was discussed in this FLC here, and Struway2 also had comments on the StatCat. I think it is reliable because it is comprehensive and more accurate then other statistics websites, such as this which is generally unreliable for some stats, and can also be missing some player pages, meanwhile StatCat has every Sunderland player page back into its very beginings. It is attributed in many websites linking to its individual player profiles;, related site, . Sunderland06  (talk) 18:04, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * To determine the reliablity of the site, we need to know what sort of fact checking they do. You can establish this by showing news articles that say the site is reliable/noteworthy/etc. or you can show a page on the site that gives their rules for submissions/etc. or you can show they are backed by a media company/university/institute, or you can show that the website gives its sources and methods, or there are some other ways that would work too. It's their reputation for reliabilty that needs to be demonstrated. Please see Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-26/Dispatches for further detailed information. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:16, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Otherwise sources look okay. Links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:45, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments The Rambling Man (talk) 16:07, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Image caption is a fragment so lose the full stop. Done - Removed full stop.
 * "Sunderland won their first Football League championship just two years after joining the league in the 1891–92 season. They won the Football League First Division on three occasions in just four seasons; in 1892, 1893 and 1895, separated by a runners up spot in 1894. " - could use some work in my opinion as you sort of repeat the first sentence (most of it) in the following one. And I'm not keen on the "separated by..." (and runners-up should be hyphenated).
 * First few sentences in the lead read a bit awkwardly for me - like a list of facts instead of really good, compelling prose. Suggest an independent copyedit.
 * "Sunderland entered The Football League in 1890" - this comes waaay after you describe them winning it so it's a little oddly placed. Commment - I mentioned it there as it was the first season they got relagated and when the long stay becomes relevant.
 * What is "Sheriff of London Charity Shield"? It's worth explaining this because it appears to be quite different from the regular charity shield.  Or perhaps just the predecessor? Done - Added a footnote.
 * Quite a few redlinked top-scorers. Seems a shame they don't even have stubs? Comment - I'm gonna create the rest.

Comments hope this helps, cheers, Struway2 (talk) 21:18, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 1890-91 you have points total of 23 where 2W + D = 25 ?? Done - Corrected.
 * Think you'd better check this one with your sources.
 * This is a mistake on the sources behalf, as they had 10 wins and 5 draws, so it is defiently 25 points, but was listed as 23 on the season page.
 * Statcat 1890-91 says 2 points were deducted for playing Doig, an ineligible player. FCHD confirms the 2-point deduction.
 * Ah I see, thanks for pointing it out. :)
 * So perhaps it would be informative to add a note explaining why the number of points isn't what the reader might expect?
 * Done.
 * If it were me, I'd link every occurrence of each top scorer, so the reader doesn't have to search for a clickable name Done - Linked all.
 * Perhaps put your RSSSF Leading Goalscorers source as a citation for the bolded players key entry rather than under general references, then repeat it at note G Done - Changed.
 * I'm confused now. Now I've actually looked at the RSSSF page, I find that your listed goals and bolded years for Johnny Campbell differ quite markedly from theirs ??
 * I have used the data from the RSSSF page, in the 1895-96 season the top scorer of the league was John Campbell (footballer born 1871) not the Sunderland player John Campbell (footballer born 1870) which made it quite confusing.
 * Footnotes E,F,G,H,N,O,P,R,S need citing. Would be good if the matches could be linked to match reports, ideally non-Sunderland sources such as BBC, Sky or broadsheet newspaper websites. Note P particularly needs the promotion due to Swindon's illegal payments citing. Done All referenced.

Comments --  K. Annoyomous 24  [c] 21:08, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sunderland Association Football Club should be like this: Sunderland Association Football Club - Comment - Linking is reall only neccessary once, at the beginning of the lead, I would see it rather pointless to link other instances.
 * The key should be above the table, not below. Done - Moved to above.


 * Support Looks good overall. A copyedit to make the prose a tad less choppy would be nice though. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  21:19, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
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