Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Illustration workshop/Archive/Mar 2018

Image vectorization

 * Article(s):
 * Rising Star Cave


 * Request:
 * There is need to vectorize this image so that the text can be edited with standard tools like a Notepad. --Kirill Borisenko (talk) 22:53, 19 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Graphist opinion(s):


 * A draft for you to check. Without any knowledge more than common sense I have made a variation of the original image. You have to tell me what to change and how/why, we can put in numbers in the illustration if you want or something else. Give me feedback, anything goes, thanks. --Goran tek-en (talk) 20:01, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I really do need your feedback per above to be able to complete this request, thanks. --Goran tek-en (talk) 12:32, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
 * There is no file at link. If you can make the visual copy - it will be greate. --Kirill Borisenko (talk) 13:20, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, now it's back. --Goran tek-en (talk) 14:02, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
 * The places of skeleton location is probably important too, because it`s approximate sheme of godsend location. --Kirill Borisenko (talk) 00:05, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * New draft for you to check. --Goran tek-en (talk) 15:05, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

File:Soccerball mask.svg

 * Article(s):
 * Template:Mexico-sport-bio-stub etc (derivatives of Template:Soccer icon (from the base helper template Template:Soccer icon2))


 * Request:
 * The background should be transparent. If you have the background of Wikipedia set to a personalized color other than white, there's a big white square whenever this is used. -- 67.70.34.54 (talk) 06:57, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Separating out those images shows that the white background around the outside of the ball is necessary to mask off the outer portion of the flag. If we put both images on a strongly-contrasting background: the size and transparency of the images becomes clearer. We could flip the transparency of the ball from inside to outside by using File:Soccerball.svg which could produce   which is not ideal. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 09:54, 2 March 2018 (UTC) That's similar to what I already linked in my sandbox above, except that there I made the ball smaller, contained within the flag rectangle. The big problem with this is that it may not look very good with different flags (ones which are dark in the middle etc...) -- Begoon 10:30, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Graphist opinion(s):
 * The local file is full-protected, so an adminstrator will be required to complete the request. —AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 14:11, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
 * ❌ This is a mask for flags, so the white background can't be removed. → User: Perhelion 02:49, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah - that explains why, when I briefly glanced at this, I was surprised at the partial transparency in the actual "ball". As a mask that makes perfect sense. (I guess the "clue" was in the filename, if I'd bothered to think about it - duh...) -- Begoon 03:24, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Alrighty then. IP, if you need this file without the background for something, drop a note here and we'll create a derivative work. Your ping didn't work, by the way. --AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 03:16, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I extended the file-description and I'll add now an example too. @AntiCompositeNumber: Ah yes, I removed the source code comment, so the ping seems not work on removed lines (even if they are invisible). → User: Perhelion 03:53, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Interestingly, though - the example you added displays the "white box problem" on the infobox background on the file description page. Ideally that would be avoided. Could a clipping mask help, or is that problematic with the "shadows"? -- Begoon 04:15, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * We could add a switch element in the SVG for another background-color!? Then the same mask can be used for different backgrounds. But dynamically it is still not possbile (on MediaWiki, but in general on HTML5 with SVG I mean yes). → User: Perhelion 04:32, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I've never played with overlaying svgs in html like that example does to see if there's a way to "negate" the bottom one via the top one rather than just blank it to a colour, so I'm going to mess around with it - probably a fool's errand which won't work on mediawiki, but I'm interested now... The "show-stopper" in mediawiki will be the png rendering of the svg I think. -- Begoon 04:39, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Update: Well, I tried, using tricks like css contained in the svg and values like "inherit", "initial", "currentColor" for the fill on the rect element, but no joy, since, I believe, at the time when rsvg renders its png it doesn't have these page specific values available to "inherit" no matter how one tries to manipulate them. As you say, it could work in pure HTML/SVG but that's not how mediawiki does it - so that's no use. -- Begoon 06:27, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * So, how is the problem to be fixed with Template: Mexico-sport-bio-stub ? Clearly, the background of the stub-type-template image should be transparent. -- 70.52.10.192 (talk) 06:00, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, short of creating a new image for every single template, the only idea I had was making the ball smaller than the flag: something like this. That would still require an edit to the template(s), and isn't going to work very well visually for every flag either. In fact, it's probably a horrible idea, for which you'd never get consensus, but unless the result can somehow be made rectangular (or someone creates dozens of new images) the "issue" will persist for those who choose a non-standard background colour. -- Begoon 07:35, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * This is what's happening here. Template:Mexico-sport-bio-stub contains which expands to   which displays like this: [[Image:Flag of Mexico.svg|50x50px|alt=Flag of Mexico]] [[Image:Soccerball mask.svg|50px|alt=Soccer icon]]  This has the appearance of a single image, but you will see from the code that two images are used to make it.
 * Or, you could adjust the sizes/offsets in this: yellow div background for clarity of what's happening: [[Image:Flag of Mexico.svg|80px|alt=Flag of Mexico]] [[Image:Soccerball mask test.svg|90px|alt=Soccer icon]]   (perhaps better with more opacity in the ball.) Here with no yellow div background: [[Image:Flag of Mexico.svg|80px|alt=Flag of Mexico]] [[Image:Soccerball mask test.svg|90px|alt=Soccer icon]]

Request to make text editable on Endocrine image

 * Article(s):
 * List of human endocrine organs and actions


 * Request:
 * Can the text in the image be made into editable text?
 * It is because I want to edit the following: (1) change the hyphen between "Atrial" and "natriuretic" into a simple space in both instances, and (2) change the 2nd "Atrial" into "Brain". So it reads "Atrial natriuretc peptide (next line) Brain natriuretic peptide". -- Treetear (talk) 13:36, 25 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Graphist opinion(s):

Proper motion

 * Article(s):
 * Proper motion

The first image (a) is technically crappy, but conceptually correct, which makes hard to understand what is going on. The request is to recreate the image from scratch, and make it less visually cluttered, with proper vector rendering (and no ugly white boxes). Specifically and for the second image (b) Thanks. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:33, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Request:
 * 1) Make the image bigger in general. Or rather get rid of the useless empty space. Reducing the length of the $$\mu_\alpha$$ arrow would allow the image to be squarer and more visually pleasing. It should however still be longer than the $$\mu_\alpha \cos \delta$$ arrow.
 * 2) Move $$\alpha$$ and $$\delta$$ on the inside of their circles, rather than on the circle line
 * 3) The blue dotted line should be a proper cross section of a sphere, not an offset section of circle. It should also go from black line to black line
 * 4) The blue solid line that goes from the red dotted line to the blue dot should be parallel to the line of intersection between the two shaded blue semi circles.
 * 5) Add a CSP point at the bottom of the sphere, to match the CNP point at the top
 * 6) Make sure the $$\mu_\alpha$$ and $$\mu_\alpha \cos \delta$$ arrows are parallel to each other
 * 7) Make sure the $$\mu_\delta$$ and $$\mu_\alpha \cos \delta$$ arrows are perpendicular to each other
 * 8) Put the $$\mu_\alpha$$ in red to match its corresponding arrow
 * 9) Change the center of the sphere to a yellow dot, rather than red, to indicate the Sun
 * 1) SVG-ize things in general [pretty sure most of the problems are obvious here]
 * 2) Replace the blue 'mess' with a proper star
 * Graphist opinion(s):


 * Draft to check. The view point is different from what the old version is. If this is a problem just tell me and I will make another version, feedGoran tek-en (talk) 14:41, 21 February 2018 (UTC)back, thanks. --

that looks better, however Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 14:59, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * the µα / µαcosδ arrows should be tangential to the dotted circle / equatorial circles
 * the µδ arrow should be tangential to the δ semicircle that runs from CSP to CNP and at 90° from a line that you would draw from the yellow dot to blue dot (no need to actually draw that line though)
 * the blue line from the center of the sphere to the dotted circle isn't at the same angle as the intersection line of the α/δ semicircles
 * the originally color scheme with thicker lines would be best; it offer better contrast and would be easier to see at smaller scales
 * Two versions; Draft 1 and Draft 2, feedback. --Goran tek-en (talk) 16:47, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Draft1 is better in general. It has the correct angle for the µα / µαcosδ, but the µδ arrow is off in both drafts (Draft 2 is better, but the arrow is still not tangential to the semicircle it's touching).
 * I'm sorry but I can't really see exactly how it should be. In this draft I have put a thin dashed horisontal line (just to have referens) and the arrow 1 is angled upwards from it as it should to my knowledge. Arrows 2 and 3 are angled even more but looks wrong to me. Could you please explain how it should be angled or draw in an image, thanks. --Goran tek-en (talk) 20:04, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

See. You can imagine putting an invisible glass pane against the sphere at the point of contact. The arrows should live on the surface of the glass pane. The way your arrows are drawn, the glass pane would intersect the inside of the sphere. Using that one as a basis Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:33, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * The µαcosδ / µδ are the equivalent of the u- and v- arrows on that picture (the unequal length is fine though). Ignore the w-axis, we don't care about that one.
 * You can imagine bringing the (λ,φ) point of contact down to the "equator" of the sphere, following the circle line aligned with the v-axis. The µα arrow would be equivalent to where the u-arrow would be in that situation.
 * Here's a terrible mockup in paint. Faint red/faint blue are dotted lines. Deep red/blue are solid arrows. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:08, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for really trying to make me understand. I have now started over with the same view point as the "original" as you said it was correct. Even then I do have some things I don't really understand or wants confirmed, I write them here numbered. Numbers can be found in numbered version.
 * 1 You wrote before that this two lines should have the same angel, I have changed the blue.
 * 2 Those are parallel but is it correct where 2 is encircled?
 * 3 The angle here is right-angled between the two red arrows, but I'm not sure if it should be that in a perspective like this. The µδ is more to the left due to this (right-angle) compared to the "original". Also is this correct where 3 is encircled?
 * Draft without numbers. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:32, 25 February 2018 (UTC)


 * See . I modified some things about the image to make it clearer. The purple lines should be the direction of the arrows so they lie tangent to the circles they are associated with. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 14:55, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * New draft. --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:05, 4 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Hey, CheChe here. I'm the one that converted image (a) (by hand) into vector format. I'm happy to see that people want this to be improved, and am happy to edit the original myself, but I have a few comments of my own. Firstly, the white boxes are not incorrectly rendered. They are there intensionally to improve the legibility of the image.
 * This is hard to do because the perceptual length of the $$\mu_\alpha$$ arrow is already only ~20% longer than the other one.
 * This would require the text to be smaller relative to the size of the rest of the diagram, and make it less clear what the labels refer to
 * It's important that the plane of the dotted line is not the same as the dark blue circle, though extending it is reasonable.
 * These are in fact parallel in the original diagram. They appear not to be only because they are different distances from the vanishing line. Are you suggesting we switch to an orthographic projection (parallel lines look parallel)?
 * This is reasonable.
 * I have checked this. They are exactly parallel.
 * I have checked this. They are exactly perpendicular.
 * This is reasonable.
 * This is reasonable.
 * In any case, I'm happy to amend the original diagram in any way that's reasonable. I hope I don't come across as angry! –♫CheChe♫ talk 18:11, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * , well take a look at and see what I have in mind for the image. You'll see V, α, δ, etc... at all quite readable. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:27, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I've made some changes to the original (a). What do you think? –♫CheChe♫ talk 19:17, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * By the way I've gone ahead and made a vector version of (b): File:Proper motion.svg –♫CheChe♫ talk 19:17, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll have more feedback later, but the first thing I'd do is put an outline on the sun. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:22, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Historical Falkland Island Flags

 * Article(s):
 * Flag of the Falkland Islands


 * Request:
 * Can the files for both flags be recreated using vector graphics in svg versions as current versions have been taken from other sites.

(2A02:C7F:5621:2A00:A49F:3219:B6DF:71D5 (talk) 23:22, 2 March 2018 (UTC))
 * Please can this be sorted as soon as possible (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 12:33, 4 March 2018 (UTC))
 * Please please sort these flags out its been over a week since this request was put up and nothing has been done as of yet yet others have been sorted right away and this has been left, these two flags need to be sorted into SVG files. (86.186.237.6 (talk) 19:25, 11 March 2018 (UTC))

Wolfgang Kapp

 * Article(s):
 * Wolfgang Kapp


 * Request:
 * please create separate signature graphic… -- Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 01:08, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Graphist opinion(s):

Mercosur
Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 06:25, 12 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Article(s):
 * Mercosur


 * Request:
 * please correct font to FE-Schrift… -- Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:08, 18 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Graphist opinion(s):


 * Hello, I've uploaded a revision of the "original" file based on your request, can you confirm this is the change we want? I can upload an entirely different file using the (1) filename: Argentina Mercosur License Plate.png or (2) create a separate .svg file, your thoughts?  Thanks for your patience! Vwanweb (talk) 22:23, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * That's perfect, thank you so much! No need to make a separate file, the old font was incorrect. Beautiful job, thank you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 06:25, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Proposed flags of Fiji, 2015
Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 03:59, 13 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Article(s):
 * List of Fijian flags


 * Request:
 * Alright, I know this is a rather tall order, but could someone please create SVG files for the 23 finalist designs (or at least as much of them as possible) from the abandoned 2015 contest to design a new national flag for Fiji, as shown here: https://portlandflag.org/2015/06/09/23-finalists-for-new-fiji-flag/. Thanks. User:Snow Lion Fenian

✅ – Thommy (talk) 21:00, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Graphist opinion(s):
 * Thanks a lot for taking the time to do this rather large request, I really do appreciate it. Though while we're here, is there any chance of you being able to take on my remaining two requests relating to Fiji's historical flags? Or would those ones fall outside of your scope? User:Snow Lion Fenian

Flags of British New Guinea, 1884 and 1888 versions
Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 04:56, 13 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Article(s):
 * List of Papua New Guinean flags, Territory of Papua


 * Request:
 * Would someone please create SVG files of the flags used by British New Guinea from 1884-1888 (shown here: https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/p/pg~ng.gif) and from 1888-1906 (shown here: https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/p/pg_1888.gif). Thanks. User:Snow Lion Fenian


 * Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ FOX 52 (talk) 02:35, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot, I do appreciate it. Just one thing, shouldn't the 1888 version bear the initials "B.N.G." and not "P.N.G."? User:Snow Lion Fenian
 * opss..sorry about that - fixed! I guess I had "Papua New Guinea" on the mind - cheers FOX 52 (talk) 04:50, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * No bothers, and thanks again. User:Snow Lion Fenian
 * No bothers, and thanks again. User:Snow Lion Fenian

Wozzeck illustrations
FOX 52 (talk) 16:40, 13 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Article(s):
 * Wozzeck


 * Request:
 * All of these could use cropping. The first two have big borders. The third would look better if centered. The fourth has a line at the top. -- Squandermania (talk) 12:09, 26 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Graphist opinion(s):

Image clean up
FOX 52 (talk) 01:22, 20 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Article(s):
 * Black Friday (1910)


 * Request:
 * Is it possible for the stamp of VOUCHER to be removed from the image? Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 16:17, 26 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Graphist opinion(s):
 * I have a couple of questions. First, I notice you uploaded a non-defaced but lower-resolution version as well; may I assume you’re not satisfied with it? Second, the original shows no online source; is this your own scan, and if so, might you have a raw, non-JPEG version you could send me? If not, please provide a link to the source in case I can get a better-quality version from there. I‘m prepared to go ahead, just want to start with the best available original.—Odysseus 1 4 7  9  23:16, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for the message. Yes, I'm not overly happy with the lower-resolution one, but this one is from the archive of The Daily Mirror (a paid subscription archive). The only download format is pdf, which I've transferred to jpeg (higher version uploaded this morning). If you want a copy of the pdf, I can forward that to you if you want to drop me an email? Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 08:11, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * , Now sent. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 17:29, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

received, thanks. Looking closer, I‘ll probably have to reset the type that reads “Saturday”, but I should be able to restore the other headlines from nearby letters in the same typeface. The edges of the paper are just visible against the cleaner white background, so while I’m at it I should probably crop the image to the original page proportions.—Odysseus 1 4 7  9  17:33, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * That's fantastic news - thanks very much indeed! Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 17:42, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅. see above; the “Saturday” font I used is not a exact match but is in the same genre. (The original might be Monotype Old Style No. 2, but the digital version of that typeface is much too thin, probably cut for a larger size.) If it looks too anomalous, I may be able to thicken & roughen it a bit, but I doubt I can match the exact letterforms. I don’t think it’ll jump out at anyone at less than full resolution, though. And let me know if I missed any blemishes. Considering the fax-like quality of the original, I didn’t go to great lengths.—Odysseus 1 4 7  9  08:29, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * That's fantastic Odysseus, so much better than I expected – thanks! SchroCat (talk) 12:23, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Gif request
Usernameunique (talk) 02:11, 25 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Article(s):
 * Serpent labret with articulated tongue


 * Request:
 * Please create a gif repeating between tongue in and tongue out versions. Keep the high resolution, but crop the sides slightly. Thanks, -- Usernameunique (talk) 05:47, 20 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Graphist opinion(s):
 * Hi. Is this OK? --Hazhk (talk) 20:19, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
 * , that is so cool. Thank you! --Usernameunique (talk) 02:11, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Triads

 * Article(s):
 * Triads


 * Request:
 * please match top to bottom image for font legibility… -- Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:37, 27 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Graphist opinion(s):

Royal Standard of Fiji, 1871-1874
Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 16:56, 27 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Article(s):
 * Flag of Fiji, List of Fijian flags, Kingdom of Fiji, Seru Epenisa Cakobau


 * Request:
 * Would someone please create an SVG file of the Royal Standard of Fiji from 1871-1874 (as seen in the following image, on the left: http://www.hubert-herald.nl/Fiji_bestanden/image014.jpg). It would be similar enough to the national flag of Fiji at the time (shown above), only the background is wholly white, and there's a banner under the arms displaying the country's national motto; "RERE VAKA NA KALOU KA DOKA NA TUI". Thanks. User:Snow Lion Fenian.


 * Graphist opinion(s):


 * ✅ FOX 52 (talk) 16:05, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, great work. User:Snow Lion Fenian

Signature

 * Article(s):
 * Edmund Hillary


 * Request:
 * Please remove the background and vectorise the image.-- Hazhk (talk) 09:27, 27 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Graphist opinion(s):
 * Please provide any feedback for changes to the vectored version I created from your request. If the file requires no further edits please mark this request as ~ Thank you, Vwanweb (talk) 23:43, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Please provide any feedback for changes to the vectored version I created from your request. If the file requires no further edits please mark this request as ~ Thank you, Vwanweb (talk) 23:43, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Signature of Nereu Ramos
Vinícius O. (talk) 06:01, 30 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Article(s):
 * Nereu Ramos


 * Request:
 * Please vectorize the signature -- Vinícius O. (talk) 18:18, 24 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ Respublika Narodnaya (talk) 01:42, 26 April 2018 (UTC).
 * Thank you -- Vinícius O. (talk)