Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 September 10



Template:Fb pdl team

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:30, 17 September 2018 (UTC) Like Templates for discussion/Log/2018 April 19, this template can be replaced by Module:Sports table Hhkohh (talk) 13:52, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Fb pdl team
 * Fb pdl header
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Template:Fb cl header pknodraws

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:31, 17 September 2018 (UTC) No longer needed after is being deleted per Templates for discussion/Log/2018 April 19 and Templates for discussion/Log/2018 April 22 Hhkohh (talk) 13:44, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Fb cl header pknodraws
 * Fb cl team otw
 * Fb cl2 team pnd
 * Fb cl header pknodraws2
 * Fb cl header otwins
 * Hhkohh, as far as I know, the otwins, pw, pd, pl columns have not been added to any of the Module:Sports table submodules. so, until that happens, I don't think these can be replaced.  that is unless, you are suggesting that we take a step backward and replace these with wikitables? Frietjes (talk) 14:12, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe we can use Module:Sports table/WL OT and use like W+, thoughts? Hhkohh (talk) 14:16, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * okay, I added functionality to the WD OT and WDL OT modules, and replaced the templates. we could probably merge the OT modules with the standard ones (so much code duplication), but that is for another day. Frietjes (talk) 20:10, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
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Template:Fb cl team pnd

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:29, 17 September 2018 (UTC) Unused Hhkohh (talk) 13:22, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
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Template:Fb cl footer

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:34, 17 September 2018 (UTC) See Templates for discussion/Log/2018 April 19 but I missed these at that time Hhkohh (talk) 13:16, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
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Template:ISO 3166 code-3 AD

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The result of the discussion was keep the main three templates, but delete the subtemplates. Plastikspork ―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:45, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * ISO 3166 code-3
 * ISO 3166 code
 * ISO 3166 name
 * All the pages in Category:ISO 3166 code from name country templates

Have only tagged these three templates, but am also nominating the 700 templates in Category:ISO_3166_code_from_name_country_templates, which are anyways unused due to luafication. These three templates all have only a handful of transclusions that aren't from transclusions on the doc pages of the templates in the category I mentioned. See here, for example. These templates are all also redundant to country abbreviation. This previous TfD is relevant. Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:44, 2 September 2018 (UTC)


 *  Keep Keep 3 listed, delete ~700 not listed: ISO 3166 code-3 and ISO 3166 name aren't redundant, and country abbreviation (Module:Country_extract) uses ISO 3166 code in many cases, so deleting it would break it. – BrandonXLF   (t@lk)  20:17, 2 September 2018 (UTC)But deleting the sub templates is fine and I agree they should be deleted. – BrandonXLF   (t@lk)  21:12, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * ISO 3166 name may not be redundant but neither is it used; ISO 3166 code-3 have been added to Module:Country extract so it is redundant; if indeed Module:Country extract it uses ISO 3166 code, then one can switch Template:Country abbreviation to use Module:ISO 3166 as you suggested, which doesn't that I see use that unwieldy template system. Galobtter (pingó mió) 20:21, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete the 700 sub templates only, those templates have been superseded by Module:ISO_3166 and shouldn't be used. –  BrandonXLF   (t@lk)  20:24, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep The sub-pages were created to avoid having to load a huge table. The Lua system breaks this by loading a huge table: Module:ISO 3166/data/National and the sub-table or tables listed at [Module:ISO_3166/data/doc].  Moreover they allow a granular approach to protection, and the introduction of new data to support the planned range of functionality without requireing administrator intervention.  The same Luaified/big table approach now means that any time someone wants add or change to a Portal to  admin intervention is required.
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:40, 2 September 2018 (UTC).


 * The Lua table is already used on all 4 templates relating to ISO 3166. The templates are now useless, and the module was created to avoid have a few thousand templates at one time, not the other way around. Anyways so many sub sub templates were deleted as per a TfD that the templates don't really work properly. – BrandonXLF   (t@lk)  20:51, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe it is, but that doesn't mean that it is a good idea. I'm sorry that I missed/forgot about deletion of the sub-sub-templates, but that may also have not been a good idea.  The idea is to support human editors in a flexible and fast manner, not to reduce everything to neat tidy tables.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 21:10, 2 September 2018 (UTC).


 * There were WAY to many sub sub tempaltes that it was insane, but now the sub templates don't work properly, ISO specification don't really change that much and editors can simply put in a edit request, anyways I'm pretty sure the module isn't protected yet, so normal editors can still make small changes. – BrandonXLF   (t@lk)  21:15, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * In what way were there "too many" - did we run low on disk space? All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 21:37, 2 September 2018 (UTC).


 * Well no but it was a lot to keep track of, especially when edits had to be made across all of them and it was and still is very disorganized. – BrandonXLF   (t@lk)  22:30, 2 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep 3 listed, speedy others as G6 per above. --Rschen7754 01:57, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Not related to discussion: Can you wrap the notices in noinclude tags as they seam to be for the sub templates and not the actual templates listed and because the templates only output a few letters and are inline, it makes it harder to read as per MOS:ACCESS. Also, if you give the the go ahead I'll gladly tag the sub templates with the tag as they seam like they should be taged, I can do it no problem using AWB. –  BrandonXLF   (t@lk)  04:47, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't see the point of tagging the sub templates since they aren't transcluded anywhere and so no one will see them. Have noincluded the tags. Galobtter (pingó mió) 06:36, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. – BrandonXLF   (t@lk)  17:45, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Consensus is pretty clear to keep the three nominated pages (hence the strikeouts) but I'd like to see a bit more discussion on the 700 sub-templates also being nominated, mainly due to the sheer size of the potential deletions.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 02:28, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * delete the subtemplates, but only after it is confirmed that they are all listed in the data table in Module:Country extract. Frietjes (talk) 17:23, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Don't you mean Module:ISO 3166? We can list them Module:Country extract but ultimately if they're not in Module:Country extract it checks if they're in Module:ISO 3166. – BrandonXLF   (t@lk)  23:02, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * , I don't see how Module:Country extract is using Module:ISO 3166. it checks to see if a "Template:ISO 3166 code XYZ" exists, but that is the only match I see to "ISO 3166". I just [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3ACountry_extract&type=revision&diff=859067335&oldid=859061051 changed that module] to put any first level failures in Category:Wikipedia page with obscure country instead of looking for templates.  if I do something similar for the second level lookups, it should avoid the templates altogether and put any misses in Category:Wikipedia page with obscure country or subdivision. so, as soon as I make the changes, we should be able to safely delete the templates. Frietjes (talk) 15:27, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * That's my bad. I'm pretty sure it's good though. – BrandonXLF   (t@lk)  00:17, 12 September 2018 (UTC)


 * delete all except the three exceptions, as above. Whatever purpose they once served they have no use now.-- JohnBlackburne words<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">deeds 01:37, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
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Template:Wikify
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2018 September 22. (non-admin closure) Pkbwcgs (talk) 20:23, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
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