Wikipedia talk:Cleanup/Archive 12

Project page organization
The main project page has been updated with a members section, resources section and template section. Northamerica1000 (talk) 08:47, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Cleanup taskforce
You might consider merging the inactive WP:Cleanup taskforce into your group. See WP:INACTIVEWP for information. Also, you should probably create a redirect here from WP:WikiProject Cleanup so that more people can find you, and also list your group at WikiProject Council/Directory/Wikipedia. WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:55, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Nb. I have added a listing for the project to Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Wikipedia § Maintenance (diff), and the inactive Cleanup taskforce presently has a hatnote informing readers about this project, which should likely suffice. North America1000 06:23, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Cleanup categories merger proposals
I noticed an overlap in cleanup categories, so I proposed that Category:All articles needing cleanup be merged into Category:All pages needing cleanup and that Category:Wikipedia pages needing cleanup be merged into Category:Articles needing cleanup.

Thoughts? Categories for discussion/Log/2017 March 2

CoolieCoolster (talk) 01:31, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I agree. Basically the cleanup categories need some cleaning up themselves. SpiritedMichelle (talk) 02:04, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Category:Articles with incorrect citation syntax
(Moved this general post below here from Cleanup). North America1000 15:04, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Category:Articles with incorrect citation syntax - As part of the migration to Lua-based citations, we have been able to track and identify many additional types of incomplete and malformed citations. This has led to a backlog of pages that are newly recognized as needing citation cleanup.  Any friendly wikignomes that want to help out would certainly be appreciated.  Dragons flight (talk) 00:42, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

New ways to Promote WP:CLEAN
I have been noticing that "Project Cleanup" has only two prominent editors to it. You and I. Project Cleanup is supported to be a place where wikipedians can post articles that they think need cleaning up but it seems the only people posting new articles are you and I. I looked back at the archive and it seemed at some points, many wikipedians were posting on Project Cleanup.

I do not want this project to die out like others are.

Do you think there are anymore ways of promoting people to put submissions on the page? Could you try to put more advertisement up on the maintenance page like "Post your project to cleanup" I think that if more people saw banners, we would have more participation.

One idea I had was to have a bot dump random articles(preferably older) from "Category:Articles needing cleanup" maybe weekly. A dump system would give us many articles to cleanup and would help us reduce the backlog of cleanup templates.

I hope you can help benefit Project Cleanup. Keep up the good work. AmericanAir88 (talk) 21:15, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Nice ideas. I will provide a detailed response in the next 24 to 48 hours or so. North America1000 06:01, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey chaps, I'd like to help, too. Hit me up.  A  Train talk 13:17, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much User:A Train and User:Northamerica1000 AmericanAir88 (talk) 19:07, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

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Discussion

 * After thinking matters over, I'm against the cleanup list being populated by a bot. Human-picked entries are more personal in nature, and these articles are actually viewed by humans. Also, use of a bot could have the reverse of the intended effect, driving people away, who may feel that bot-generated entries are impersonal, or that they would then just go to various cleanup categories.
 * Here are some ideas to promote the project:


 * 1) I agree with including wording that promotes the posting of entries on the project's main page, and this could potentially be added to Maintenance in a brief manner somehow.
 * 2) The main project page's lead could be rewritten to be more concise, and the area to post entries could be made more obvious. An idea is to place revised (more concise) intro content into a sidebar, so that the first actual content on the page's body is the actual listings and posting area. This would make the page much more accessible for posting and immediately seeing entries. At the very least, this would make the page easier to navigate.
 * 3) Send WikiProject Cleanup invitations to users who engage in cleanup activities to join the project, using.
 * 4) Contact present project members on their talk pages via mass messenging, stating general news, encouraging posts, and inviting people to check in on the page every now and then. A newsletter could be created to perform this.
 * 5) Maybe contact users who have dated posts on the page to consider withdrawing the respective dated nominations. If a post is over a year old and has received no work from the project, it may sit for quite some time, creating a permanent backlog of entries on the page that are never addressed. This can make the project look stale.
 * 6) Maybe consider archiving posts that are dated over a year, stating so on the main project page.
 * 7) Possibly include a very short mention on the Cleanup template about the option to post to the page.
 * Note that I'm on semi-wikibreak right now due to other matters in life. I can likely perform some of the above, but cannot guarantee having time to perform all of it. I think revising the lead and moving some content to a sidebar would be a good starting point. North America1000 09:07, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * These are fantastic ideas. I will get right on it. Thank you. I do ask how we can drive people to the page. We need to use words that tell people that you can post your articles on the page and they will be cleaned up. We need to see more people posting on the page. Have any suggestions? You are an administrator, any way to promote with others or on big pages like the community portal? I was thinking maybe say on the portal "Post pages that need cleanup on WP:CLEAN." or something. Comment with any additional ideas. Thank you for your participation. Enjoy your semi-wikibreak, I hope all goes well in life. AmericanAir88 (talk) 02:22, 12 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Regarding point #2 above, I have modified the main project page. In the process, I have moved and consolidated information to simplify the page and designed the page so posts are located directly below the page headers. Here is some of the work performed:
 * Created a new sidebar at Cleanup/Information sidebar. Moved content previously at Template:Wikipedia:Cleanup\Header to this page.
 * Moved the lengthy resources for collaboration template to the project's Resources page
 * Updated the project's Tabbed header
 * – North America1000 07:23, 13 October 2017 (UTC)


 * (and anyone else interested): I propose that entries over a year old on the main project page should be archived. If nobody works on a posted article for a year, it may never receive edits from project members or others that visit this page. This will serve to keep the page current, as opposed to having a permanent unnecessary backlog. North America1000 08:08, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I think that's a great idea, ; the backlog for a project like this could be theoretically infinite, and long backlogs are intimidating.  A  Train talk 08:13, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Totally agree, I'll get to work on it. 01:41, 14 October 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AmericanAir88 (talk • contribs)
 * Archiving ✅. It has been over seven days and no objections have been posted. Entries dated over one year on the main project page have been archived to Cleanup/Archive 11. North America1000 05:13, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Question
I just received an invitation to join this project. I had never seen it before, so was interested. I'm just curious what the difference between this project and TAFI is. Are there articles that would be more appropriate for one and not the other? – Corinne (talk) 18:09, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I think there are more than enough articles for there to be multiple projects focused on improving them. That said, I am curious how many of the articles listed on User:power~enwiki can/should be added here. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 20:19, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
 * This is where users can post articles they feel need work. Users who are part of the project will then cleanup the article. It is different to TAFI as for TAFI, you have to nominate it where as for Project Cleanup you can post and get instant feedback. Project Cleanup members also can help reduce the backlog of articles that need cleanup, via maintenance tags. Honestly, I prefer WP:CLEAN as it is way more active and provides all types of support to articles. I wish TAFI was more active... Its starting to become abandoned. AmericanAir88 (talk) 00:22, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Tidy replacement
Hi everyone. I noticed there's new traffic around this WP project: good luck! I thought I might suggest an area where you could join forces with WP:WikiProject Check Wikipedia, maybe?

You may be aware that the Parsing team wants to replace Tidy with a RemexHTML-based solution on the Wikimedia cluster by June 2018. This will require editors to fix pages and templates to address wikitext patterns that behave differently with RemexHTML. Please see the "What editors will need to do" section on the Tidy replacement FAQ. We have tried to make the instructions as plain as possible so that anyone could figure out what to do. Also, mw:Help:Extension:Linter is a place to collect scripts/tools/anything that's helpful - you don't need to apply fixes manually, unless you want to! Work is ongoing, but operations seem to go a bit slowly at this wiki, which is a bit surprising when you consider it's the largest community. More specifically, it looks like people are starting to fix the issues in the low priority categories, rather than in the high ones :)

Please do ping (User:SSastry (WMF)) if you have any questions or concerns, ideas about how to get more people involved here or communications venues we haven't explored yet. Here's a link to the latest update he provided on wikitech-l, and to some of the most recent stats available. We hope this helps, and are looking forward to your crucial support! Elitre (WMF) (talk) 15:53, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

A metric to warm your heart and sustain your editing
I've been putting that on some of the talk pages of articles I've worked on. Gives you a feel for the utility of your efforts. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 21:23, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

A couple of useful tools
Hi everyone! I was recently invited to this project. I have a couple of tools that I made a while ago that some of the editors here might find useful:


 * apersonbot/cat-track, which tracks the sizes of a bunch of backlogs, and
 * yabbr, which is an experimental tool I made that shows only relevant wikitext sections while you try to go through a backlog. For example, when you run it on Category:Pages with duplicate reference names, instead of wading through all of the wikitext in the page, you only see the wikitext corresponding to the problematic references.

Hope these are useful! Enterprisey (talk!) 21:08, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for posting the resources. You should consider posting these links at Wikipedia:Cleanup § Tools. North America1000 01:31, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

RfC notice
There is an RfC at one of the cleanup templates in scope of this project, Template talk:COI, proposing changes to the conditions whereby the template may be removed for lack of discussion. --RexxS (talk) 19:58, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

User box
Is there a user box for this group? A 10 iceplane (talk) 15:41, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Cleanup userbox There ya go :) -- LichWizard  talk  16:23, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * that as simple,ci feel stupid, thank you U|LichWizard for your help A 10 iceplane (talk) 16:45, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * No problem, glad I could help! -- LichWizard  talk  17:26, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Impressed and news
Hello WP Cleanup personel. ,, , etc. :

I am writing this to tell everyone how impressed I am with the work this project has received. As we reach the end of summer, we can expect more school IP vandals and cleanup requests to flow in. Great job everyone, its been a pleasure working with you guys, especially. Lets continue this trend of fast and efficiant cleanup/work.

Anyone have any ideas on how we can promote this project more? It would be great having more active users and a good flow of requests. Once again I am very proud of you guys. Excellent work everyone. I am looking forward to a good fall season. I am going to Vegas for a week but will try be as active as possible. Enjoy yourselves and keep up the good work. AmericanAir88 (talk) 23:54, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I've been wondering about that as well – I wasn't aware of this WikiProject until just a month or two ago. As a few of you mentioned back in the October discussion above, sending invitations to non-members and posting on active members' talk pages are good ideas, and potentially could increase the amount of work we're getting done here. I'd also suggest a monthly newsletter of some sort (which articles need work, which have been improved well, etc.), if it isn't too time consuming. I'll be returning to school in a few weeks so my time on Wikipedia will be limited during the semester, so I'd like to see more involvement with clearing the posts on the list as well! Rosalina2427   (talk to me)  03:49, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Bot Request to Cleanup Category:Featured articles needing translation from &lt;language&gt;
A bot request has been recently created to clean up articles that no longer have FA status on their host Wikipedia page from Category:Featured articles needing translation from &lt;language&gt;. Any comments would be appreciated. Kadane (talk) 18:26, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Alignment
In the template page, a lot of overlapping cases have occurred. Please consider the problem and solve it if it can be done.Adithyak1997 (talk) 15:58, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "overlapping cases"? Is this about the page alignment? The page looks fine in my browser. North America1000 23:47, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Does this Wikiproject incorporate backlog agendas?
So, I was half thinking of creating a Wikiproject dealing with backlogs. However, with prompting from Moxy, I decided to first ask if this project dealt with backlogs. So, does WP:Cleanup also help clear backlogs? Thanks,  King   of   Scorpions  16:33, 16 March 2020 (UTC)


 * @King of Scorpions : I think "this project does anything people bring to it, and nothing else" is a fair description. We help clear backlogs only by working on pages that are posted on the project page. Kind regards from PJvanMill (talk) 14:18, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

How to join
Hello, I am interested in this group and wanted to join but I don't know how to join it.Rakjoejoe (talk) 00:51, 5 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Rakjoejoe: I see you figured it out yourself. Welcome! Kind regards from  PJvanMill ) talk ( 16:47, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Salil Kumar
Not sure how I can help ... but would like to be a part of the initiative Salil Kumar 18:24, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

It seems this was intended as separate from the previous section. User:Salilkumar signed up on this project's member list (at the very end, later confusedly removed), then posted the above, then made precisely one mainspace edit.  PJvanMill ) talk ( 22:56, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

George Mandel
This article needs a lot cleanup, it is very disorganized, and has a few edits by somebody claiming to be his daughter. The one about him serving in ww2 is at least partly correct, I was able to find his enlistment record (https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record-detail.jsp?dt=893&mtch=3&cat=all&tf=F&q=Mandel+George&bc=&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=2841531&rlst=2841531,3875337,5779849), but have no idea how to fix the overall article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:6000:1209:809A:7917:657F:8F12:F348 (talk) 06:23, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Question
What is wrong with the article 2011 Samsung Mobile 500.ping to reply.Kpgjhpjm (talk) 15:50, 16 May 2018 (UTC) Kpgjhpjm (talk) 15:50, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Not much - now done. Johnbod (talk) 16:36, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Request to Add to List
Hey there, requesting this be added to the list :)

Norra Sorgenfri - Requesting Speedy Deletion to this Page as it is a Stub, Lacks Citations, and doesn't have much information. Please let me know if it doesn't qualify for Speedy Deletion! Thanks, AwesomeJedi (talk) 17:16, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Pages are automatically added to the correct categories by adding cleanup templates to them. The page also does not qualify for speedy deletion. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:33, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, appreciate it! Sincerely, AwesomeJedi (talk) 17:36, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2020
Please add the following line to the top of the January 2020 list, except formatted correctly:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load-bearing_wall - Construction / Architectural element. Article had has only had one citation since 2009, the description contains a direct copy and paste of the leading paragraph (including formatting), and the whole thing probably needs to be given a good looking-over. TheJonyMyster (talk) 04:55, 26 January 2020 (UTC) TheJonyMyster (talk) 04:55, 26 January 2020 (UTC)


 * ✅ –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 19:18, 26 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you TheJonyMyster (talk) 05:36, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:R._J._Atkins need help with wording Cee Smooth (talk) 17:39, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Your request has been added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Can I Log In (talk • contribs) 22:44, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2020
Could you please take a look at this page for a cleanup request? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Olivier_Varenne#Career Jasonhogarth (talk) 10:52, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , it’s a good start but you need to double the size of the article in my opinion. Add an Early life and education section, maybe a Personal life section. Gleeanon409 (talk) 11:37, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This is not the appropriate place to request this. Also, please note the article has already been refused four times. Goldsztajn (talk) 11:42, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2020
Serafim Kalliadasis Migduroliuk (talk) 22:12, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  JTP (talk • contribs) 22:41, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , I think you’ll have to get a bit lucky to find someone who can help unearth how Serafim Kalliadasis is WP:Notable by Wikipedia standards and express that in the lead of the article. I think your best bet is to identify the Wikiproject(s) that know the profession of the subject, and ask them to help point a path forward. You can also ask for help at the WP:Teahouse. Gleeanon409 (talk) 23:20, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2020
Frenzo Harami - Sources need to be rescued as they are susceptible to being lost via domain changes etc and by the looks of the deletion discussion it is going to be draftified.  Apollo825  - talk to me baby -  15:46, 25 April 2020 (UTC)   Apollo825 

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. You may be interested in Archive.org as it is used to deal with stuff like that a lot. DarthFlappy (talk) 16:31, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , you might ask for help at the WP:Teahouse for filling out each of the references. Once they are full references it’s easier to find them even if the domain changes. Gleeanon409 (talk) 16:44, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 August 2020
Add this article to the list: Music Institute in fez. Unsourced, uncategorized and no wikilinks 100.37.166.70 (talk) 00:03, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page Wikipedia:Cleanup. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned.  JTP (talk • contribs) 07:49, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The article was initially turned into a draft, Draft:Music Institute in fez, by a new pages patroller, but then a nameless editor came in and replaced the redirect with the text of the draft. I've turned it back into a redirect and put back the WP:R2 speedy deletion template. Kind regards from  PJvanMill ) talk ( 13:16, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Fixing broken links
Hello, As an employee of Verizon Communications, I want to ask Wikipedia editors about the most efficient way to replace dead links to Verizon websites with functioning URLs across six different Wikipedia articles. Because of my conflict of interest, I follow Wikipedia's best practices in requesting updates rather than editing directly. However, I also see how this request could be mundane and time consuming for people volunteering their time on Wikipedia, so I would be happy to fix the links myself if given permission. What's the best way to fix these dead links? If the best way is for me to post a request at the individual article Talk pages, that's fine with me. But I'd also be happy to help take this maintenance task off your plates as well. Thank you. VZEric (talk) 17:50, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Verizon Delaware: Replace "Website" link in infobox with https://www.verizon.com/local/delaware/
 * Verizon Maryland: Replace "Website" link in infobox with https://www.verizon.com/local/baltimore-md/ and the first reference with https://web.archive.org/web/20100712060108/https://www.verizon.com/about/community/md/counties/baltimore/baltimore_city.html
 * Verizon New England: Replace Verizon Massachusetts "Website" in infobox with https://www.verizon.com/local/massachusetts/ and Verizon Rhode Island "Website" in infobox with https://www.verizon.com/local/providence-ri/
 * Verizon New Jersey: Replace "Website" link in infobox with https://www.verizon.com/local/new-jersey/
 * Verizon Washington, DC: Replace "Website" link in infobox with https://www.verizon.com/local/washington-dc/
 * Verizon Virginia: Replace "Website" link in infobox with https://www.verizon.com/local/virginia/
 * Hello, VZEric. You should make an edit request on the talk page of each article you want changed. Use something like the following wikitext code:

Your COI declaration here. Your request here. ~
 * Kind regards from  PJvanMill ) talk ( 17:09, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Is this legit?
Just wondering if this is legit cleaning here. Thanks Pasdecomplot (talk) 23:44, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey Pasdecomplot, that edit is just adding archived urls to references using IAbot (Internet Archive bot) in order to prevent link rot. I wouldn't call it cleanup, but it is legit. Kind regards from  PJvanMill ) talk ( 08:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * @Pasdecomplot I will say that this is only useful for old links that aren't already archived at the IA (according to WP:link rot, new links automatically get archived shortly after they are added, and dead links automatically get detected and fixed if possible). I think I don't see such links being rescued, which would mean the edit wasn't very useful - but it was harmless. Kind regards from  PJvanMill ) talk ( 10:18, 18 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Good. Don't know enough to detect, glad you do. Thanks. Pasdecomplot (talk) 16:21, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Please solve Comment: Possible sockpuppet issues
how can i solve Possible sockpuppet issues of this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Rinky_Chakma if any one can please solve it Juni Mor 07:29, 14 August 2018 (UTC)


 * ❌, and Juni Mor was blocked a few days after posting this.  PJvanMill ) talk ( 22:54, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Request to add Sing (2016 American film)
Sing (2016 American film)

Someone messed up the infobox, I can't add it the the main page since I have a new account and I am unsure as to how to fix it myself. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valarend (talk • contribs) 05:50, 2019 December 10 (UTC)


 * ✅ The infobox was fixed soon after it broke.  PJvanMill ) talk ( 22:50, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Otorhinolaryngology
Need help in editing Otorhinolaryngology Science vol (talk) 15:02, 16 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Science vol, I've added it to the list for you. Kind regards from  PJvanMill ) talk ( 22:38, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Hatnote
Should a Redirect hatnote be added since WP:CLEAN redirects here and may also refer to Clean start? Tantamounts talk contribs 10:59, 22 June 2018 (UTC)


 * This seems reasonable - I've put it in the project header.  PJvanMill ) talk ( 23:23, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Protection
I think that this page should have more strict protection considering its importance, as it was severely vandalized recently. Syntaxlord (talk) 01:35, 1 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Vandalism of the project page, or of the project talk page (I'm not sure which was meant), is not an issue at present.  PJvanMill ) talk ( 23:28, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2020
Please may you review Henrietta Bowden-Jones - the page contains the banner "This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments" which is incorrect, please may you resolve this issue or inform me of any actions that need to be taken to do so. Thank you very much Frankieatkinson (talk) 12:35, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page Wikipedia:Cleanup. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned.  JTP (talk • contribs) 14:02, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Confused with COI cleanup
The header for WikiProject Cleanup, makes no mention of cleanup for COI issues. The COI templates have links that bring users straight to "Cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies".

I've seen editors (including me) say here that this project is not for cleaning COI issues.

So,, or , or , which is it? Thank you! --  W ILD S TAR  talk 02:29, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I think COI cleanup should be referred to WP:GOCER. Otherwise, any and all copy editing an article may need could eventually be placed on the cleanup listing page, diluting the focus of this project, turning it into a general edit request page. North America1000 02:33, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Nb. See the new thread I've started below as well regarding sourcing. North America1000 02:40, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * As I said below, I think the project header should say "We are not willing to get involved in ongoing disputes". I think these two templates should not be directing people to us. I think the links should simply be removed; I kind of feel like they were put in there by someone who thought WP:Cleanup is an instruction page on how to clean up an article. PJvanMill (talk) 13:23, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Should this project change its focus to not include sourcing, as in adding references, citations, etc.?
The header of the project states, "This project covers cleanup issues including page layout, wikification, spelling, grammar and typographical errors, tone, and sourcing (bold emphasis mine). However, the Template:Cleanup template has nothing about adding references, sources, citations, etc. I think the project should omit requests for the addition of sources from the project's scope. I have noticed that cleanup requests for more sources in articles may not result in the action being performed. By reducing the project's scope a bit in this manner, we can focus more upon the other aspects of cleanup, and perhaps have a lessened backlog as well. I feel that reference cleanup is fine, such as fixing bare urls, standardizing reference formatting, etc., but that the project should not include requests for additional sources. North America1000 02:40, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Pinging recent editing regulars from the main Cleanup page, in hopes to receive more input: . North America1000 02:54, 13 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Support changing "and sourcing" on the project's header to "source formatting". North America1000 02:41, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support "source formatting", although I don't mind rescuing sources which I think may fall under "and sourcing"... ie: going to archives to rescue citations? I have an issue with COI though.  They can quickly entangle a good faith editor in an ongoing dispute. If possible, I'd like to see some wording emphasizing that we don't do COI, in the header, and possibly removing the references to Cleanup in the two COI templates above.  Thank you.   --  W ILD S TAR  talk  03:27, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I would support this change as well. I'm new to Wikipedia, but I have already found that I like cleaning up issues with grammar, formatting, and existing sourcing. I have no interest in adding sources, and virtually none in removing them (unless the change would present itself to me as obvious and necessary). Triethylborane (talk) 03:31, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support changing the wording to "source formatting", BUT I do think that the header will need more refinement after this. Cleaning up generally does not involve adding new references, but it can involve looking at the sources to fix unclear citations. I also think we should add "neutrality issues, excessive detail and readability issues" which are things we do and will keep doing - they kind of fall under tone but also not. And, in line with WildStar, I think the header should clearly state that we are not willing to get involved in ongoing disputes do requests for COI drafts, or on requests for COI articles that are submitted by the author with a COI. PJvanMill (talk) 13:14, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support changing "sourcing to "source formatting." Adding references goes beyond cleanup with the addition of new references. The addition of new/additional references boarders on article expansion and authoring. I agree with PJvanMill about adding "neutrality issues, excessive detail and readability issues" as these are frequent issues clean up editors already address. Source trimming in cases with excessive amounts; or those with questionable sources per WP:reliable can continue to fall under general clean up. ThinkHat (talk) 14:31, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Sometimes I add the refs on my own to the articles with 'more citation needed' however I don't think researching is clean up. Also agree with on COI. This could be tricky.Less Unless (talk) 15:23, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support adding sources could be optional. I also suggest to clearly state that this project is not for cleaning up or improving drafts and COI contributions (as this theme pops up quite often). --Bbarmadillo (talk) 16:06, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support I like cleaning up, but i don't think adding citations will come under it. Andcentra (talk) 05:10, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Invitation to watch Category:Hatnote templates with errors
tracking category Hatnote templates with errors has been cleared. Interested editors are invited to add this category to your watchlists. —⁠andrybak (talk) 14:53, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Invitation to watch Category:Errors reported by Module String
Tracking category Errors reported by Module String has been cleared. Interested editors are invited to add this category to your watchlists. —⁠andrybak (talk) 12:12, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 23 August 2020
Please change the  field to the following: "Before listing an article here, please consider fixing it yourself! Some articles posted here do not get cleaned up, and many do not get cleaned up soon." There are a few issues with the current text. The page can only be edited by autoconfirmed users, who already know that "Anybody can edit Wikipedia". The statement "Articles can languish here for years" is not accurate anymore, as entries are now archived after one year. I also left the last part out for conciseness, and made some wording changes.  PJvanMill ) talk ( 20:13, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I've moved this request here. It makes sense to me, but I'd like to make sure no one watching the main page has any objections before implementing an edit request placed on a backwater talk page. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:26, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Primefac (talk) 20:56, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Unencyclopedic image gallery? Maybe.
Maternity clothing probably has way too many images without context or necessity, I hope its not prego-fetish, for WP:NOTGALLERY. Most doesn't try to be contextual, and some doesn't even have captions. Can someone clean it up a bit, and help to reduce unwarranted voyeurism on the Wikipedia? Aditya (talk • contribs) 14:49, 29 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Aditya Kabir, I wonder why you put this on the project's talk page instead of putting it on the list on the project page? Anyway, it seems the issue has been resolved. Kind regards from  PJvanMill ) talk ( 22:28, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * What's a "list on the project page" that I could have posted this to? Aditya (✉ • ⚒) 23:31, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Aditya Kabir, I mean listing it on Cleanup, with all the other articles. I was particularly confused because you had done it once before (if you search Cleanup for "Aditya" you will find yourself listing an article a few weeks earlier). Not that it matters, I'm just a bit confused. Kind regards from  PJvanMill ) talk ( 23:40, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Now I understand. I posted here as the cleanup would have needed some judgemental approach, not fair for the regular cleanup process. Anyways, it has been solved. Aditya (✉ • ⚒) 00:11, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Category:Pages using infobox Scottish island with unknown parameters
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Category:Hatnote templates using unusual parameters
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RfC at Template talk:Lead too short
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"Clean-up categories" that have nothing to be cleaned up
I also posted this to the categories WikiProject but got no replies, so I'm asking about it here, too.

I've noticed that there are a significant number of categories which get tagged with and added to their monthly page in Category:Clean-up categories even though they are not cleanup categories. For example, Category:EngvarB from April 2014. There's no backlog and nothing that needs to be cleaned up here.

These should probably be tagged with a new template such as - and added to a category like Category:Tracking categories from April 2014 - of which Category:Clean-up categories from April 2014 would also be a subcategory in. As-is, the current system makes it look like non-issues are serious backlogs and vastly overestimates the (still large) amount of work that needs to be done. Elliot321 (talk &#124; contribs) 10:01, 29 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Elliot321, I would think the reason monthly tracking category doesn't exist is that it's only cleanup categories that are considered part of the backlog and for which sorting by month - and having a template with monthly subtotals &c - is useful. Having EngvarB be month-sorted at all seems like the actual mistake to me. I'm not all that familiar with tracking categories, though, so maybe there is a use for it that I don't know about.  PJvanMill ) talk ( 18:58, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * it's not just EngvarB, and the monthly subtotals aren't the issue. It's most templates that get added. For example, Use Irish English and use list-defined references have the same issue. Meanwhile, something like Use British English doesn't - the category is instead tagged with English variant category and CatAutoTOC, neither of which make it a cleanup category. However, given that these categories are created by, I'm not sure what the proper way would be to switch the over (nor the complete list of improperly-marked cleanup categories). Elliot321 (talk &#124; contribs) 03:25, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Elliot321, use British English does as well - category:use British English from March 2020 is in category:clean-up categories from March 2020 and consequently in category:clean-up categories. It seems like any category that is subcategorised by month gets added to "clean-up categories from &lt;month&gt;" - and I think this is logical because I only see the use of month-subcategories in the case of actual clean-up categories. Kind regards from  PJvanMill ) talk ( 11:55, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * oh, I see, I was looking at Category:Use British English from April 2014. This should really be changed imo. Elliot321 (talk &#124; contribs) 17:48, 30 December 2020 (UTC)