Wikipedia talk:GLAM/National Archives and Records Administration

Helping out
I can definitely help out with the project banner, member user box, project pages, and housekeeping tasks along those lines, starting this weekend (if not sooner). - PKM (talk) 20:41, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Project title
I think we should move the project page to WP:GLAM/NARA (with WP:GLAM/National Archives and Records Administration as a redirect, or vice versa). WP:GLAM/U.S. National Archives could work too. There are many National Archives other than the U.S. National Archives. Cheers. --Aude (talk) 01:47, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a good point. I think I prefer "National Archives and Records Administration," since it's the actual name (which is why I hadn't included "U.S." originally). Dominic·t 16:00, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Dominic, are you going to take care of the move/rename? I can follow behind and sort the navigation to remove the redirects generated by the move. - PKM (talk) 20:23, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, I have moved the project and subpages. Thanks for your help. :-) Dominic·t 20:40, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Cleaned up. You're welcome. :-) - PKM (talk) 02:40, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Little blog about Adams donation
Written by yours truly - Ansel Adams comes to Wikimedia SarahStierch (talk) 15:03, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Press reports
I just added a section for press reports at the bottom of the project page: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AGLAM%2FNARA&action=historysubmit&diff=432107386&oldid=431869270 I've got a googleAlert out for the phrase "wikipedian in residence" and was flooded with emails this morning, so I thought I'd collate them :-) Perhaps you could also compile blogposts by wikimedians etc. who talk about the project too - NARA might like to see these statistics of how many people are talking about this project. Sincerely, Witty Lama 02:42, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it's definitely something I've been meaning to compile. Today was a crazy day for me; the press release seems to have generated some media interest. :-) I also had an interview with the Washington Post and expect that piece to be posted sometime tomorrow. Dominic·t 03:45, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thats very exciting about the interview with the post, they did an excellent article on the Public Policy initiative stuff last week see here, Sadads (talk) 09:09, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Added missing year (2011) to cited reports. Need to supplement with more recent coverage.
 * P.S. Excited to be attending GLAM Boot Camp at the National Archives this June! -- Paulscrawl (talk) 15:34, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Added one from 2014 article in The New York Times. Any others? -- Paulscrawl (talk) 16:31, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, added another important one quoting Wikimedia DC CHapter's then-president James Hare, from June 30, 2014 Tech Crunch article. -- Paulscrawl (talk) 20:35, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Would like to help out as I would be helpful
Greetings from Still Pix. Although I'm not quite proficient with the technical side of editing Wikis quite yet, I've tried to be helpful by adding NARA citations for images when I come across them. Anything I might be some help with, please let me know. BcNARApix (talk) 17:01, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi ... I added File:Dupont Belle works 1973.gif from the Documerica project to the Belle, West Virginia article in March 2009. Didn't grab the NARA cite. Downloaded it from ARC.--Pubdog (talk) 21:17, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Looked at this and corrected the ARC Identifier to 551191. Not sure which of the variant control numbers to use for additional citation - Agency-Assigned Identifier: 146/06/008706 or NAIL Control Number: NWDNS-412-DA-8706--Pubdog (talk) 21:27, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * All of the above, ideally. Take a look at commons:File:John F. Kennedy, White House color photo portrait.tif for an example image posted from NARA. If you use " " (that's the ARC Identifier, also called the National Archives Identifier in other places), that's what creates the link back to the catalog record. That is important. The other data is still important and you'll see the collection, series, NAIL, creator, and other fields from the catalog record are reflected in the image description. Commons pages should have as complete metadata as possible. We are looking into ways to streamline the collection of NARA metadata and automatically filling in fields in the Commons upload form. (BcNARApix, I would be interested to hear if you have an opinion on that formulation for Commons pages, too.) Dominic·t 22:50, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Dominic and thanks for the sage advise. To clarify, I was responding to the User:BcNARApix admonition to "PUT THE CITATION NUMBER IN THE DESCRIPTION." Not sure whether the ARC Identifier alone, or that in combination with one or both of the Variant Control Numbers would suffice. The JFK is coming from a Presidential Library and not the Still Picture Branch, so there may be different requirements. Always remember that the Presidential Libraries are special. Please advise.--Pubdog (talk) 01:43, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey all. I hope it doesn't come across as the mean type of admonition :-). Part of the reason I love Wiki so much is that it's such a useful tool in my job, especially when the citations are there. Just throwing my hat in: including the ARC (Archival Research Catalogue) Identifier is extremely useful as not only does it link to the digital copy (if there is one, as in this case), but it also provides the series description, the type of material, etc etc. Pubdog's exactly right when it comes to material from the Presidential Libraries or the Regional Archives, as they have different systems. Some input from someone familiar with those holdings might help. With regards to the still pictures branch, however, the NAIL Control number isn't too useful anymore, at least in my experience. The DOCUAMERICA series, which is held by Special Media - Still Pictures, is locally identified as 412-DA, which is the "record group" for the Environmental Protection Agency, and the series designation. To my knowledge, Stills at least does not use NAIL anymore, and if someone wanted to order a reproduction to be made, we'd really just need the local identifier itself (412-DA-8706). We can use the ARC identifier, but we still have to use it to find out what the local identifier is, but that's really just a minor step. I can only speak for Stills on that, so don't quote me on that when it comes to textual/motion/etc. Dominic, sure, I wouldn't mind giving my two cents. I've kinda been working on that issue piecemeal on the commons, which is where I spend most of my time considering the stuff I work with, but sporadically at best. Mainly I just throw in a citation for NARA pictures that aren't yet digital copies on ARC, but I've run into while doing my research. BcNARApix (talk) 13:59, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * This is all useful information, but I also want to keep it simple. I think the simplest advice is that an ARC Identifier, if applicable, is imperative, but we should also copy over all identifying information from the catalog record. This might include multiple identifiers, but that certainly does no harm. Dominic·t 13:25, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

DOCUMERICA article
Hi ... some time ago, I created a stub for the early 1970s DOCUMERICA project. I invite others to make it a terrific article for this amazing documentary photography project of the Environmental Protection Agency!--Pubdog (talk) 15:09, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * This is a great idea. The National Archives has nearly 16,000 digital images in the DOCUMERICA series in its catalog at . We'd definitely be able to provide high-quality scans of these for Wikipedia. Dominic·t 13:29, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Should the Talk:DOCUMERICA page include a NARA project template?--Pubdog (talk) 20:47, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, definitely. We really need to try to work on a comprehensive tagging of articles within the scope of this project, but there are potentially many thousands. I have begun tagging some "Top" importance articles based on the 100 Milestone Documents already. Dominic·t 20:56, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Commons, I believe, already has more DOCUMERICA images than the Flickr link on the article; I suggest we start tagging them to create a Commons Category for such to link to this article and to be used elsewhere as relevant. Infrogmation (talk) 23:49, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * A Commons category would be good. Eventually these should all be replaced by high-quality scans from the National Archives, so we want to identify them all for that reason, too. In theory, I actually have access to all (from what I can tell) of the many thousands of DOCUMERICA photos in the highest-quality TIFF files right now. In practice, I am still working out a way to upload such a large group, but it's definitely a high priority. I expect that they will be useful to illustrate all sorts of articles; this one, for example, would fit nicely in American folk music and South Street Seaport. Dominic·t 13:27, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I just did some work on it. We now have over 200 DOCUMERICA photos in the category on Commons (Commons:Category:DOCUMERICA). I'm pretty sure we have a good deal more, but many were uploaded to Commons or Wikipedia without including the word "DOCUMERICA" in the description, so they'll be harder to find. Any one familiar with any specific image I've missed thus far, please add to the image page on Commons. Wow, you have access to high quality TIFFs? I'm still not familiar with where to find anything better than the rather small NARA gifs for the majority of them, and lots I'd really like to see better versions of. Commons very much welcomes very large high quality files of in-project scope images. If you have the bandwith to do so, upload away. I'm an admin on Commons as well as here on English Wikipedia, so feel free to ask if I might be of any help. Infrogmation (talk) 01:41, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

United States Bill of Rights has been selected as the United States Wikipedians' Collaboration of the Month for June 2011
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Outcomes page?
Can we do an outcomes page so that we can document what has been done even if it does not fall within one of the challenges. For example, I uploaded one of the pictures of the day to File:Yul-brynner-immigration-xl.jpg and added it to the article Yul Brynner, Sadads (talk) 09:35, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's a good idea. If you want to be bold and try to start it yourself, that would be really helpful. Incidentally, I have also been planning to come up with a best practices page for image descriptions. At the very least, it should have a link back to the catalog record with the ARC Identifier (e.g.: ), but that kind of thing isn't obvious. From the catalog record, you'll also see other useful metadata worth recording. Aee my edit. (Incidentally, it looks like Commons also needs a PD-USGov-Courts equivalent.) Dominic·t 13:27, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I made the Outcomes page and added it to the header; just replace "Coming soon!" with the first item. I'll take a look at whipping up a PD-USGov-Courts equivalent for review. - PKM (talk) 01:28, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

PD-USGov-NARA license
Once upon a time, we had a PD-USGov-NARA license, but it was deleted in 2007. It no longer exists, but from the discussion here I suspect it was poorly worded and imprecise. If we want to recreate the license, we should propose it at Commons_talk:Copyright_tags and address the objections raised to the old license. What exact wording would you suggest for the new license tag? - PKM (talk) 01:44, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * hmm, don't know if a license is gonna fly, given there is some material not PD. they pointed to Template:NARA-image. we have Template:NARA modeled on Template:LOC-general, we could add a Template:NARA catalog record based on Template:LoC catalog record. they want us to use Template:PD-old, or Template:PD-US. Slowking4 (talk) 14:39, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * "They" is NARA I presume? Do we want to swap the logo in NARA-image for the newer one? - PKM (talk) 17:05, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I created and tested NARA catalog record - I don't have time to do examples for the documentation today, so I commented out that section (copied from the LOC template). If anyone wants to make a good example that would be great; otherwise I'll tackle it when I get back from my travels. Feel free to tweak the wording or documentation. Ping me if you have problems with the template (email is best as I won't be on WP much for the next week or so). - PKM (talk) 17:42, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * "they" = the powers that be at wikipedia, who are very touchy about copyright issues. that being said, you could bring it back for work product of NARA employees, (but objects in NARA are subject to copyright law of the creator) for example ansel adams photos are PD because of employment ( i see they are using a National Park Service tag there ). yes, you can always edit the template with a new logo. Slowking4 (talk) 00:12, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Got it. I added examples for NARA catalog record - found one that works without having to do too much digging.
 * For licensing, I think we should stick to item-specific licensing (as with your Ansel Adams example) unless we have photos taken by NARA employees of otherwise PD items, and we can either use US-GOV or make a US-GOV-NARA for those, if there are enough of them for that to make sense. - PKM (talk) 03:31, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

I got asked to become a member of this group. What should I do and where can I start? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.79.121 (talk) 01:17, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Some issues
1. how is this goingto be organised? from the page dealing with this it seems to add to the different aticles, if any, on specific issues. But could we do something like the wikipedia wikilieaks pages where info is collated on a page by category? 2. we can come up with a main space/talk page tag for related articles that could yuse an update. that way other browsers know the accessibility to info and the need to add here (akin to the "need an image from wikipedians from X country" tag)Lihaas (talk) 05:37, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Really cool!
I can see this project being an immense help for finding US images! Makes me giddy, almost. Res Mar 02:54, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles that link to NARA
I was wondering if having a list of Wikipedia articles that reference NARA pages would be helpful in determining what highres scans might be desirable. I've got a list on linkypedia which I could make available as a CSV or something for use in Excel? Currently there are 3,932 links from 2,531 articles that point at NARA. Edsu (talk) 20:16, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Error reporting
Is there an error reporting mechanism similar to the one set up for the Bundesarchiv image donation? Specifically, I came across File:Savannah (light CL42). Starboard bow, 02-08-1938 - NARA - 513030.tif, which is incorrectly identified as USS Savannah (CL-42) (see for example an actual photo of the ship). Thanks. Parsecboy (talk) 14:14, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

United States Declaration of Independence article needs to be adopted
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Commons category renaming
There is an Commons:Category_talk:Images_from_the_National_Archives_and_Records_Administration outstanding suggestion from September 2010 to rename the Commons:Category:Images from the National Archives and Records Administration to Commons:Category:Media from the National Archives and Records Administration. Do we want to do that? If so, some folks should indicate their support on that page and we can make the change. - PKM (talk) 00:25, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * If I understand correctly, the proposed change from "Images" to "Media" is due to the fact that some non images (audio, video) is included in the collection. That looks like a matter of Commons housekeeping, doesn't seem controversial to me. Infrogmation (talk) 01:14, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

99 Percent Declaration
I recently created the 99 Percent Declaration article, and now it's been nominated for deletion and rescue. I have lots of possible sources on the talk page, but I would feel more comfortable if there were other editors. Would you please help improve it? Or at least chime in on the deletion discussion or respond to the questions on the talk page? Thank you. Dualus (talk) 20:10, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Analysis on quality
One slide on NARA contest in the chapter on "Some important efforts"

PowerPoint: Wikipedia's poor treatment of its most important articles

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 * My views and responses on the subject are here. Much easier for me to make this a link than to cross-post same text to multiple areas! Pesky  ( talk  …stalk!) 10:23, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

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I added this to the Joint projects list of WikiProject United States
I hope its ok with the project but I added three of the GLAM US related projects to the Joint projects listing of WikiProject United States today. These are teh NARA, Smithsonian and Archives of American Art. Doing this will allow the articles and projects additional visibility and will allow them to be covered by the bots and things running on the articles in the WikiProject United States' scope. --Kumioko (talk) 18:10, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Coordinator for the US National Archives WikiProject
I am seeking a coordinator to help reboot this project and work on new initiatives! This is not (at this time) an official National Archives position, but is modeled after other Wikiproject coordinators, like the WikiProject Military History coordinators, Guild of Copy Editors coordinators, and WikiProject Film coordinators.

The coordinator will work with me in organizing the WikiProject's efforts on-wiki. This will include improving and updating the WikiProject's pages, and generally serving as the main point of contact and organizer for the WikiProject. New ideas to make the project work better for Wikipedia are encouraged. Our goal is for the WikiProject to be a sustainable collaboration by the Wikipedians, not run by the National Archives alone.

Please see the full information at GLAM/NARA/Coordinator. Thank you! Dominic·t 20:47, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Proposal for United States A-Class review process
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Opposition to page move?
Is there any opposition to moving these pages to reflect the full name of the organization (National Archives and Records Administration)? I think abbreviations should be reserved for redirects, and that way (when browsing categories or project pages) readers know which institution is being referred to. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:31, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Suggestion to remove this project from the WPUS template
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Seeking comments to improve Voting Rights Act of 1965
Greetings. I am looking for suggestions on how to improve the article Voting Rights Act of 1965, and I would be highly appreciative if folks from the National Archives WikiProject could leave some comments about it on the peer review I requested at Peer review/Voting Rights Act of 1965/archive1. The article was recently promoted to GA status, and it'd be fantastic if we could get it up to FA status. Thanks! –Prototime (talk · contribs) 03:36, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

NARA flipped image
My apologies I am putting this here, but I'm not active on Commons. The File:14TH STREET BRIDGE, LOOKING NORTH, FROM VIRGINIA TO THE DISTRICT - NARA - 546677.tif and File:14TH STREET BRIDGE, LOOKING NORTH, FROM VIRGINIA TO THE DISTRICT - NARA - 546677.jpg images are horizontally flipped. Jason McHuff (talk) 08:13, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

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List of photos to be scanned at National Archives for Wikipedia articles
As noted earlier by Edsu, it would be great to make it easy for people to help get more NARA material into Wikipedia. When I visit NARA, I'd love to have easy access to a list of materials that others have identified, that I could request, scan and annotate. Ideally the list of materials would make it as easy as possible to make the requests and find the material in question. Here is an example entry for the list, which I was moved to try to find this morning.


 * Summary: upload of doctored photograph of Schine, Stevens, Bradley and McCarthy Aide Francis Carr presented during Army–McCarthy hearings
 * National Archives Identifier: 7450315
 * Article: Army–McCarthy hearings
 * Context: During the hearings, a photograph of Schine was introduced, and Joseph N. Welch, the Army's attorney in the hearings, accused Cohn of doctoring the image to show Schine alone with Army Secretary Robert T. Stevens.
 * Finding aids: The photo in question is pictured at and . The originals are presumably part of the Army-McCarthy [Hearings, U.S. Senate, 1954 - Photographs and other Graphic Materials Sound Recordings Textual Records: collection at the National Archives. The National Archives has a wonderful program allowing people to request and scan these materials and get them online, as noted at Meetup/NARA 4.  Is anyone up for doing that, or getting Life or the Stanford Daily to provide licenses to their copies? ★NealMcB★ (talk) 16:03, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Is any list like this available? How can we make it easy for wikipedians and archivists to make and prioritize and use the list? ★NealMcB★ (talk) 16:03, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

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