Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Education/Archive 4

Innapropriate Talk page tagging
I strongly object to one of your project members adding the WP Education template to a mass of articles that have nothing to do with education, eg cathedrals, neolithic monuments and sports governing bodies. Please see: The User refers me to one of your project subpages, but fails to clarify why. --Mais oui! (talk) 09:45, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hydrogen_Iodide

I notice that there has been no response here to the question or at User talk:Hydrogen Iodide. I am likewise having a hard time understanding why they are being tagged. Checking further, there was a reply posted at User talk:Mais oui!, but the answer simply changes the question to why are the articles listed at WikiProject Education/Article Tagging 7 in the first place? Dbiel (Talk) 04:05, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

SOPHIA
SOPHIA (European Foundation for the Advancement of Doing Philosophy with Children)

Can members of this project help improve this stub article? Michael Hardy (talk) 02:51, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

David O. Tall
I would appreciate some help with improving the new page. Katzmik (talk) 17:37, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Milestone Announcements
I thought this WikiProject might be interested. Ping me with any specific queries or leave them on the page linked to above. Thanks! - Jarry1250 (t, c) 21:49, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Coordinators' working group
Hi! I'd like to draw your attention to the new WikiProject coordinators' working group, an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate. This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators.

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Jean-Pol Martin and Learning by teaching
I am sorely troubled by the articles Jean-Pol Martin and Learning by teaching. These articles (and others) have been placed in WP by Dr. Martin himself, under the name User:Jeanpol, thus violating some basic precepts of WP. These articles seem to be linked to each other in the "See also" section. There has already been some comment about these articles, but it seems to have lapsed, and meanwhile they continue to exist. Could you kindly take a look and suggest a course of action? Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 18:21, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

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Academic elitism
This article is almost as small as the references provided for it. I don't think it is strong enough (a topic) to stand as its own article. I'm suggesting a merge with the article "Elitism". Why is there a single paragraph on the subject in the "Elitism" article, when the link provides little more than less than three more paragraphs of information. Colonel Marksman (talk) 04:59, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Syed Ahmed Khan
nominated Syed Ahmed Khan for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.Cirt (talk) 20:51, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

European Business School London
Does anyone know if this (and the associated Regent's College) is in any sense a "proper" institution. I can find no reliable other infomration on the web about them other than other adverts. The article themeslves read like an advertisment for what I suspect are really small money making colleges rather than an educational institutions proper. I suspect wikipedia is being used create a misleading impression as to the instituions standing. The UK has I think an increasing number of unregulated/uncredited insitutions (Msrasnw (talk) 19:04, 28 March 2009 (UTC))

The wikiproject icon
Hi, just to let you know, I have changed the Wikiproject icon to, this way can be easily distinguished from Wikiproject Books and Novels. Changes made at the Wikiproject Banner and the userbox. greetings -- Andersmusician  NO  17:17, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately WP:UNI has a very similar icon for their project. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:46, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

National Board of Medical Examiners
Can people with some knowledge of the subject take a pass at National Board of Medical Examiners, and possibly also Federation of State Medical Boards. The first one was proposed for deletion. I deprodded it and dropped some references in, it looks like a notable organisation, but I'm out of depth and it could use subject specific experts. As could the latter, which looks to be in a bit of a mess. Cheers, Hiding T 15:28, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Whoa, somebody wanted to delete the NBME? Every doctor (M.D.) in America has to go through the NBME to obtain a medical license, something I know only too well... --Jh12 (talk) 14:56, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Bologna Center of the Johns Hopkins University Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS)
Hi could would anyone like to comment on the discussion about a possible merger of this article on the talk page. Currently myself and the person who placed the banner there can not come to an agreement and I would like to come to a consensus agreement. Cesariano (talk) 11:26, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Featured List Removal Candidate
I have nominated United States Academic Decathlon National Championship for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks, where editors may declare to "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. NuclearWarfare  ( Talk ) 03:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Missing topics about education
I recently updated my page about missing topics related to education and I wonder if anyone could have a look at it. Some of the links may require just a redirect, others would be suitable for articles. Thank you. - Skysmith (talk) 13:30, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

what is portfolio assessment
I just recently had a meeting with my childs resource teacher and she mentioned the my daughter could be put in an alternate portfolio assessment, she told me she would graduate but she wouldn't get a real high school diploma, I'm wondering what kind of diploma would she get and what good is it to put her in this if she doesn't even get a high school diploma, it would be like her going through 12 years of school for nothing, could someone please answer this for me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.163.27.36 (talk) 16:18, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

GA Sweeps invitation
This message is being sent to WikiProjects with GAs under their scope. Since August 2007, WikiProject Good Articles has been participating in GA sweeps. The process helps to ensure that articles that have passed a nomination before that date meet the GA criteria. After nearly two years, the running total has just passed the 50% mark. In order to expediate the reviewing, several changes have been made to the process. A new worklist has been created, detailing which articles are left to review. Instead of reviewing by topic, editors can consider picking and choosing whichever articles they are interested in.

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Special education
Members of this project may be interested in a proposed merger at Special education, to combine it with Special education in the United States on the grounds that Special education only gives examples from three or four countries and therefore is "really" only about the US anyway. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:05, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Category:Bachelor's degrees
Category:Bachelor's degrees has been tagged as being in need of attention since early 2006. The category is tagged with this project's template, so I thought it would be worthwhile to bring it to your attention. Hopefully one or more members of the project can review the old discussion on Category talk:Bachelor's degrees to see whether or not the category actually does need attention, and then proceed accordingly. Mlaffs (talk) 17:36, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Anyone home?
Is this project active? WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:18, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Not really, but some of the sub-projects are. Camaron · Christopher · talk 18:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The "child projects"? WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:05, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can call them that. The main two active ones being WikiProject Schools and WikiProject Universities. Camaron · Christopher · talk 21:52, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * They sound like they're mostly interested in institutions, instead of pedagogy. Do you know where I could find someone that knows more than I do about reading instruction?  I need some help dealing with an agenda editor who is trying to fork all of the reading- and dyslexia-related articles into country-specific "ghettos".  He has asserted, e.g., that the process of understanding what's printed on a page (reading comprehension) is significantly different for native English speakers in the USA compared to native English speakers in other English-speaking countries.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:10, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

The other side of this coin is that there are top level summary articles which explain and describe the General concepts, but the specifics regarding are dependent of the writing system being used and the variation in orthography of the notion of speech that is the subject of a reading instruction. This will vary from Country to Country, even where there may appear to be a common language. Dyslexia is about having one or more neurological problems accessing and processing the visual notion of speech, or written language. So to provide a wiki global view of reading there needs to be a Global summary style article, which is the Main article for a Category "Reading instruction by country" countries are not Ghettos, but about how the languages have evolved differently, how the writing systems have evolved differently, and how the teaching of reading has evolved differently. There is no universal apprach to the teaching of reading, and this needs to be reflected in how WIKi addresses this issue. How the USA appraches these issues may only apply to the USA, and not other countries even other English Speaking Counties. So the main Global Article needs to move away from its current Reading comprehension USA based content to become the main global article, or it is moved to Reading comprehension in the United States to make way for a new Global "Reading comprehension" Article. This principle has been applied to all other sections of the Education portal and this topic should be treated exactly the same. dolfrog (talk) 02:28, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Help needed over at Education wiki
Check out the message I left at the Education portal! DuTempete (talk) 15:02, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Proposed merge
I think GCE Advanced Level in the United Kingdom should be merged to GCE Advanced Level because the former article actually covers every country fairly well that takes A levels. Then I'll sort the redirects out, and possible suggest a move of GCE Advanced Level to somthing simpler, but first things first. Having two pages is pointless, confusing, and unnecessary. I know the project's not that active, but still. - Jarry1250 [ humourous – discuss ] 09:15, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * be bold Victuallers (talk) 12:47, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I generally support one article that includes everything. If you discover as you work on it, that there are a lot of UK-specific details, then a good second choice is to merge as much as possible, and leave the rest in a separate article.  (At minimum, the main article should have a very good summary of the UK article.)  WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:38, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I have had a look that the content of both articles and you are right about the duplication of content. I am aware that there could be some internal changes to the UK education structure which could provide provide additional or alternative qualifications for the same age group, so may be if such an article does not already exist, the United Kingdom article could be moved to a new title to cover all of the possible Exam qualifications that the 16 - 18 year old age group could acquire to possible further education including a section regarding GCE A'levels. dolfrog (talk) 01:11, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Request for article on deep and surface learning
Can I please make a request for an article on the differences between surface and deep learning? At the moment, requests for these topics get redirected to an article that itself does not say much. These are terms widely used in educational theory and practice, and I think that if we included an article on them (we could have an article covering both approaches, and we could either call it "Deep learning and surface learning" or "surface learning and deep learning") it would improve Wikipedia's coverage of education topics. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 23:10, 14 July 2009 (UTC) The article that I was thinking of is Student approaches to learning, but that article does not say a great deal and is rather slim. Since the term "student approaches to learning" could apply to a variety of learning strategies (e.g. whether one is a reflector, pragmatist, theorist or activist, or could be related to the Belbin team types, and also because the distinction between surface learning and deep learning is important to educationalists, can I please request this new article? Many thanks, ACEOREVIVED (talk) 19:11, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:International Baccalaureate - request for assistance
Hi!

We've got a stalemate over at Talk:International Baccalaureate, with two editors saying "A" and two saying "B". It would be helpful if we could get some third-party input. We've tried requesting a third opinion, but don't qualify as there are four of us.

Any input anyone could offer would be gratefully received!

Cheers, TFOWRThis flag once was red 16:48, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Should a project group with such broad coverage be sub-divided?
You are a very broad-ranging project group, and indeed, looking at how this page is laid out, I see that you yourselves have listed sister project groups, such as that for universities. I therefore wondered whether this was best divided into a number of task forces - for example, one for primary education, one for secondary education, one for further education, one for higher education and one for adult education. After all, people with expertise, experience and knowledge of one field might not be able to contribute to other fields (my job involves lecturing in higher education, but I would not have much knowledge of education in the compulsory sector, i.e. below the age of sixteen in my home country, the United Kingdom. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 21:13, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Need for American high school article
Because the article High School has a truncated version and refers to Secondary education in the United States article which is not, strictly speaking about high schools. It cannot be used as a link in all high schools in the US. Because the secondary ed article contains middle schools and junior high school neither can it be used as a link for high schools. Really need to restructure here so a link can be used for each schools without worrying that schools will be lumped in that shouldn't be. Insisting on lumping all schools together as if they always are in reality, is not a good idea. Works for teachers, but not for Wikipedia articles.

I'm not convinced that anyone is really on top of these US articles anymore. They are in pretty poor shape and a fork tomorrow wouldn't work anyway because of poor quality. Requests for footnotes are just ignored.

Probably need (and no, I'm not volunteering. I have another specialty) an Education Project for the US that might be able to focus a bit better.

Also, I am not sure whether I should be asking this question on Project Schools or Project Education. Was never too clear on the difference. I have a feeling I will be sent to the other project by either one of you! :) Student7 (talk) 11:42, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Evenness of zero is under peer review
Comments welcome at Peer review/Evenness of zero/archive1. Thanks, Melchoir (talk) 03:31, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Changed "Directed at health rather than normalization".
I replaced it with "...directed at behaviors that please the most people as opposed to normalization". Which might be the same thing. But saying that JRC values the health of its students over normalization of its students is a lie. I think what they might mean is that they don't try to "normalize" the students by treating them normal, but they will do anything to normalize the student's behavior, even if what they do to that student to make them normal is not normal.

~Anastassia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.122.128.234 (talk) 00:48, 8 September 2009 (UTC)


 * What article is this comment about? WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:50, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Relevant AfD
Please see Articles for deletion/Barbados Group. Thank you, Cirt (talk) 04:31, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Early childhood education by country
Why not a category: Early childhood education by country with appropriate subcategories; which as well as general articles would include particular kindergartens & nursery school articles. There aren’t articles on many of those, but it would organise the subject geographically. Hugo999 (talk) 02:19, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * It doesn't make a lot of sense to subdivide small categories. If there are fewer than 50 articles in the main category, I'd leave it all right there, as a convenience to the reader (who will be able to see everything all at once).   WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:37, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

What about now?
Most of these posts criticizing or in support of the GED test seem to be at least 6 years old. Is there anyone out there that has taken the test recently using the videos/dvd's to help in study sessions? How were they?Wrendy (talk) 17:23, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

British Educational Research Association
As there are articles on Wikipedia on psychological societies such as the British Psychological Society, would any one be interested in starting an article on the British Educational Research Association? Many thanks, ACEOREVIVED (talk) 23:28, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Mathematics Education
I'd like to separate the US-specific mathematics education topic from mathematics education in general (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics_education). A) There's enough about mathematics education historically and in general so that Math Ed can stand on its own, and B) there's a lot of "controversy in the US" content that is out of place without similar content from other countries. I'm posting here to see what others think about it before I go ahead and do, as there haven't been any responses to this proposal on the Math Ed talk page. Any yeas or nays out there? :) Therealcaro (talk) 01:28, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I have made the changes, so now there is a general Mathematics Education page and a more specific Mathematics Education in the United States page. Therealcaro (talk) 04:21, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

OT
There hs been numerous articles in medical, educational and psychological journals suggesting Sensory intergation, a form of OT has no proven benefit. There is much concern that OT used so often in ADHD children might actually make them worse. In a minor research project 250 parents who came in for a neurological evaluation to solve their childrens problems suggested the OT given to their children prior to neurologicsl assessment all stated OT did not help at all. Can they all be wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.247.157.67 (talk) 22:59, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Request for expert attention
Can someone look at Committee on National Security Systems? Besides the obvious needed refferences, I am having a hard time with the educational certification section. The issue is, I can't find anyone who knows the exact nature of the certifications. Is it purely given to the istitution? Does a person graduating in that program get the cerfification? An expert could also outline the reuirements for attaining the degree. I have also seen orginizations offering certification outside of educational institutions, I am not sure how this works. I know the NSA offers its Information Assurance Manager (IAM) and IEM courses at Black Hat, but I'm not sure if there is any parallel. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Sephiroth storm (talk) 22:52, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Sudbury Education merger discussions
A heads up, there are currently proposals afoot to merge the Daniel Greenberg and Sudbury school articles (discussion here), as well as merging portions of Sudbury Valley School into Sudbury school (discussion here). The latter seems a reasonable solution to duplication between the two articles, while the former is a proposed solution to claims that Daniel Greenberg is not notable. There is also discussion, though no proposals, to entirely merge Sudbury Valley School and Sudbury school. Nfitz (talk) 22:53, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Introductory physics
FYI, Introductory physics has been prodded for deletion.

70.29.211.163 (talk) 05:24, 22 December 2009 (UTC)