Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Oregon/Archive 23

Saving on-line source
I just expanded article on Arthur Tuck. Most sources I used are on-line at U of O newspaper archive and aren’t likely to disappear. However, one of the best sources is a recent Bend Bulletin article. I think it's likely that article will sooner or later disappear from Bulletin web-site, leaving dead-link in the wiki-article. Is there any way to cash or save the Bulletin article so it will remain available for Wikipedia users?--Orygun (talk) 03:35, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, there is. I entered the URL in the Wayback Machine and clicked "Save this url in the Wayback Machine" so it should now be archived here. A handy tool for sure. Just in case, you can do the same thing to archive any other pages that you need. Jsayre64   (talk)  18:22, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Knew there must be way to save sources...thanks!--Orygun (talk) 05:33, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

So, how 'bout it? WikiWednesday!


Some of you may recall the days of WikiWednesday, a series weekly meetups in Portland about all things wiki. Unfortunately, I missed that era, though I have certainly met some great wiki enthusiasts in Portland since moving here 5 years ago. Well, User:Raymond King and I are now working together, and we thought it would be great to try to reboot the WikiWednesday series again. Even if not every Wednesday, at least somewhat regularly. All wiki fans are welcome!

Here is what I propose for the first meeting:
 * When: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 (6pm)
 * Where: NedSpace
 * Address: 619 SW 11th Avenue, Suite 250, at the corner of SW 11th and Morrison (entrance directly across from The Governor Hotel ... Sentinel Hotel)
 * Suggested Topics: All things wiki! (PortlandWiki, Wikipedia, etc.)

User:Davydog and User:kotra from Portland Wiki have confirmed attendance already, so that makes at least four of us! What say you, User:Capnleela, User:EncMstr, User:Tdslk? We will miss you, User:Peteforsyth and User:Steven Walling, but if either of you know someone who would be interested in attending, please spread the word! Attendees are welcome to work on Wikipedia (or other Wikimedia projects), Portland Wiki, or any other wiki of their choosing. It would be great to meet an additional WikiProject Oregon participant or two. RSVP not required, but greatly helpful so we have an idea of the total count. Hope to see you there! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:38, 14 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I would be interested in this in general, but may not have the time next week. Once PSU classes end (mid-June), I would be able to attend regularly. Thanks for organizing this! Tdslk (talk) 23:16, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Sounds great! Hope to see you soon, if not next Wednesday. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:24, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I came to a bunch of these back in the day...not sure I can make next week, but I'll put it on my calendar! Glad it's back. --Esprqii (talk) 23:53, 14 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I'll make an attempt to come. (The big issue will be traffic on 26 coming from Hillsboro.) In any case, I can tell there'll definitely be more there than the very first one, which I hosted. -- llywrch (talk) 04:28, 15 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Only if they take back the name "Sentinel Hotel"...OK, maybe... Valfontis (talk) 11:21, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I am glad there is so much interest in the revival of WikiWednesday! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:58, 15 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I won't be able to make this one, though it's an interesting idea. I went to several meetups related to the Howard Dean presidential campaign, 2004, and met a lot of nice people. Ten years later, I'm swamped with off-wiki stuff through at least mid-summer. Maybe after that. Thanks for the invite. Finetooth (talk) 15:18, 15 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks AnotherBeliever for setting this up! I'll be there. -kotra (talk) 23:24, 19 May 2014 (UTC)


 * *bump* Just a reminder! Hope to see you all tomorrow. Snacks and refreshments will be provided; feel free to bring your own, and don't forget your computer and accessories! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:22, 20 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry I can't make it, it's the one day I won't be working in Portland, maybe next time. Valfontis (talk) 19:31, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Just one more note about this evening. The building may lock between 5 and 6, but I will be sure to post a WikiWednesday sign with a phone number to call or text to signal your arrival. Someone will be sure to let you into the building ASAP--won't take more than a minute! Thanks. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:08, 21 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Are these happening every week? If not, when is the next one? Kyle(talk) 08:28, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Not every week at the moment, just whenever I or someone plans one. Feel free to watchlist this page to learn about future meetups, or propose a time and place! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:40, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Portland Business Journal FYI
Not only have them cut staff and decreased the number of articles they are putting out, but they are also saving on images. For about a week now they have been raiding Commons for pictures (and providing attribution where required) such as this one, so you might want to keep an eye out for your work. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:32, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up, and for adding the publication info to the image's talk page at Commons. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:55, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Wiknic?
Are people interested in a Wiknic again this year? -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:58, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I am! Tdslk (talk) 04:27, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

ass am I Sasnfbi1234 (talk)

I'm interested. --Meng6 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 22:22, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Definitely! Let's set a time and place and special page so that we're not listed on the Wikpedia Wicnic page as a mere "discussion".Daqu (talk) 18:44, 1 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I created Meetup/Portland/Wiknic/2014, so the discussion can be continued there. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:47, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

CfD on Category:Chinook Jargon place names
Category:Chinook Jargon place names has been nominated for deletion/upmerging, with a suggestion that List of Chinook Jargon place names be upmerged. Please add any comments to the CfD.Skookum1 (talk) 15:20, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

COTM - Politics of Oregon & Oregon Children's Theatre
A little late again, but like whatevers. Go forth and propagate the articles! Aboutmovies (talk) 06:05, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I left a note on Talk:Pete Sorenson requesting an update, with some potential resources. I have COI... Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 06:16, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places animated maps
I think I have posted the static versions before, but some newly-created animated maps showing the progression of work related to NRHP articles and photography are pretty interesting, imo.




 * WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Progress

Enjoy! (A fun collaboration could be to create articles for NRHP sites in specific Oregon counties.) Another Believer  ( Talk ) 22:05, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Milwaukie Pastry Kitchen
Was: Need help getting this important Oregon History recognized & included in Wikipedia.

See draft https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Milwaukie_Pastry_Kitchen. I hope this is the correct way to request needed help/assistance. My apologies in advance if not. Need help getting this important Oregon History recognized & included in Wikipedia. Owners/Operators recently entered/inducted into the Oregon Historical Society also. So far I have been unsuccessful in getting draft approved. See http://nwlaborpress.org/2014/06/oregon-historical-society-exhibit-features-first-black-owned-bakery/. Thank you Hurtisjr (talk) 16:39, 19 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi Hurtisjr, I've looked over your draft article and I have some suggestions that I'm posting on your talk page. I'm short on time this week, but will be glad to work with you starting next Wednesay, June 25. Cheers! Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 07:11, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Grand&#39;mere Eugene. I appreciate the help and look forward to working with you on June 25. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hurtisjr (talk • contribs) 03:29, 21 June 2014 (UTC)


 * We could use some additional scrutiny by more experienced editors on the draft--especially on whether the revised draft evidences notability of the subject. See Draft:Milwaukie_Pastry_Kitchen
 * Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 05:24, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I think it's interesting and notable. Pitching in. Finetooth (talk) 16:56, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't understand the draft process or why this article was rejected. It's as if articles should be perfect before entering main space. Why not move it to main space? Happy to help out a bit as well, even if just in minor ways like linking, formatting, etc. - Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:13, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


 * There is a speedy-deleted earlier version by Ginsuloft that is posted here: http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Milwaukie_Pastry_Kitchen --It looks like there may not have been any references/citations in that version. It also may have been deleted as a result of the sockpuppet blocking actions against that editor? Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 17:35, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I was not familiar before just now with any vetting process for new articles. However, WP:Starting an article says that only registered users can create articles. Unregistered users can seek approval for articles they would like to include in the encyclopedia by applying via WP:Articles for creation. It appears to me that the article is in much better shape now than it was originally and would likely become a main-space article if resubmitted. Finetooth (talk) 22:24, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Alternatively, Hurtisjr could register and create the article immediately in main space. Finetooth (talk) 22:29, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

✅ Another Believer moved this into mainspace. Nice work everyone! Valfontis (talk) 18:15, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

2014 ballot measures
... have been certified:
 * http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/07/2014_oregon_ballot_measures_vo.html
 * http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Seven-measures-certified-for-Oregon-2014-ballot-268898501.html

I could not find the actual ballot numbers, so I have not yet created stub articles. Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:52, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The numbers have been assigned. I'd say 88, 90, 91, and 92 are going to be the exciting ones. --Esprqii (talk) 22:44, 5 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Oregon Ballot Measure 86 (2014)
 * Oregon Ballot Measure 87 (2014)
 * Oregon Ballot Measure 88 (2014)
 * Oregon Ballot Measure 89 (2014)
 * Oregon Ballot Measure 90 (2014)
 * Oregon Ballot Measure 91 (2014)
 * Oregon Ballot Measure 92 (2014)

(Sorry for the stubs, but it's all I have time for at the moment in London!) Another Believer  ( Talk ) 12:54, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Oregon Mission moved to Methodist Mission with zero discussion, though one was launched on its talkpage
See my comments following the now-closed merge template on Talk:Methodist Mission.Skookum1 (talk) 11:12, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

The Dog Days of COTM - It's hot hot hot
So cool down at the lake, or head to the hospital if you get heat exhaustion. But seriously, lets work on some redlink elimination this month. Aboutmovies (talk) 14:33, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * But please don't create one- or two-sentence stubs simply to turn a redlink blue. That is worse than leaving a redlink alone, in my opinion, because it gives Wikipedia readers the impression that an article exists on the subject, when really it does not. New articles should include at least a few paragraphs, and editors are reminded of the WikiProject Oregon Reference desk, which identifies several free resources for research. SJ Morg (talk) 06:22, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Feminist and Queer Art Wikipedia Edit-a-thon, Saturday, September 13
For anyone wanting to attend in person or support our efforts remotely, there will be a Feminist and Queer Art Wikipedia Edit-a-Thon in SE PDX on Saturday, September 13 at the Independent Publishing Resource Center. I did not propose the event, but I will be present to contribute and assist new editors. All are welcome! (And editing feminist/queer art is not required, but this will be the focus of the event.) Another Believer  ( Talk ) 17:50, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Oregon hospital articles

 * Since August COTM was to eliminate red-ink in Category:Hospitals in Oregon, I've notice a lot of new hospital articles…many of them written by Aboutmovies. Since he does a large part of the Wiki-Oregon assessments, most of the new hospital articles are unassessed.  I’m willing to do complete assessment/reassessment of everything in Hospitals in Oregon category.  Unfortunately, I don’t know enough about hospitals in general to grade them…i.e. need to know required/desirable/nice-to-have elements for generic hospital articles.  If someone can point me to a good example of  and  quality hospital articles (one each) to use as a standard, I’ll assess all the pending articles, and then go back and reassess everything else in Oregon hospitals category to bring all the assessments up-to-date.  Examples don’t need to be Oregon hospitals, as long as articles are good yardstick for assessments.--Orygun (talk) 23:46, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

You're invited to contribute to Wikivoyage
Come one, come all, to Wikivoyage, the new(ish) travel guide that anyone can edit, and sister project of the Wikimedia Foundation. There's some good content for Oregon and its regions and cities, particularly Portland, but there's always room for growth and improvement. (I've been adding to Klamath Falls myself.) I'd love to see some WikiProject Oregon folks come around and work their magic. Be sure to check out the "Welcome, Wikipedians" page to orient yourself to the differences between the two projects. Hope I see you there. — Athelwulf [T]/[C] 08:53, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Cascadia!
New from Vice: -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:02, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * http://www.vice.com/read/we-went-to-a-festival-for-people-who-wouldnt-mind-if-the-pacific-northwest-was-its-own-country

Off topic...
Hi Oregonians, I wanted to leave a quick note here about an issue I think is important to the future of Wikipedia. If you haven't seen it, please take a look at meta:Letter to Wikimedia Foundation: Superprotect and Media Viewer, and please add your signature if it resonates for you. Let me know if you have any thoughts or questions. -Pete (talk) 04:02, 1 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks; this caught my eye, and it seems like something I could get behind. But I am very curious what the other side of the story is. Is there a short summary of that anywhere? — Athelwulf [T]/[C] 09:00, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi, good to hear from you. I have a couple links for you below. It's a little tricky to figure out what is the best central message to convey WMF's position, because it has been distributed in a lot of different places -- part of the problem that got us here, IMO. So there may be better links than these -- but this should at least get you started:
 * Statement from Board Chair Jan-Bart de Vreede: meta:User talk:LilaTretikov (WMF)
 * Statement from Executive Director Lila Tretikov & Deputy Director Erik Moeller: meta:User talk:LilaTretikov (WMF)
 * I will try, knowing full well that my own opinion will show through, to sum up the WMF's position:
 * The Media Viewer software is a clear improvement, in spite of acknowledged flaws; it's good enough to be live, and some bugs should be identified and worked out.
 * The move to deploying MV was announced with sufficient notice, and with sufficient opportunities for, and attention given to, community critique.
 * Once deployed, MV immediately (or at least, within a few weeks) had the status of being part of the "core software," so changing its default status constitutes "breaking the core software" by definition. (Or, perhaps, the state of the default status changing back and forth in an edit war constituted breakage that they did not trust the German Wikipedia to resolve on its own.)
 * It is the Wikimedia Foundation's responsibility to protect the core software from damage.
 * The superprotect feature was necessary in order to protect Wikipedia from its own admins and their disagreements.
 * Specifically, regarding the statement from Lila and Erik above, WMF seems to believe that enforcing its will through social means, rather than technical means, represents a significant concession.
 * I think that is a fair summary. (I invite to either endorse or correct it, if he has the time.) Assuming it is, I agree only with #4 -- I believe the rest are erroneous, and I'd be happy to explain why if you'd like. -Pete (talk) 03:33, 4 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that really helps. — Athelwulf [T]/[C] 21:31, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Reminder: Feminist+Queer Art Wikipedia Edit-a-thon: Saturday, Sept. 13
Come one, come all! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:54, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Just sharing a few pictures from the event. Thanks to all who came! I estimate there were around 30 participants, mostly female.

-- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:59, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

My photo in the news
It's been a while since one of my photos was picked up..I just spotted this news article, using this photo. Satisfying, except for the concept that the whole world might be heading toward looking like the Alvord Desert.... -Pete (talk) 16:58, 15 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, as they said, that won't necessarily happen, and I sure hope not. I'm surprised they didn't say where the little-known Alvord Desert is. But congrats, you got full credit anyways. Jsayre64   (talk)  23:59, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

The Great Oregon Photo Drive of 2014 - Sponsored in part by the COTM and viewers like you
Time for our semi-annual white sale photo drive. Its been awhile, so not really twice a year, but its still good whether so go take some pictures (or find some appropriately licensed ones online) and help fill an image request. Take an extra 20% off using the coupon in you're local paper. This is an extended sale, so it ends 10/31. Aboutmovies (talk) 16:13, 13 September 2014 (UTC)


 * This is really good timing, I will pass this along to a photographer friend who has been considering digging through her archives for some stuff to upload to Commons/Wikipedia. Thanks ! -Pete (talk) 17:00, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I have probably increased the number of Portland articles needing images, based on the recent public art articles I have created. But, I am trying to take pictures, too! The list of sculptures in Portland is pretty complete, using surveys by the Regional Arts & Culture Council and Smithsonian Institution, so moving on to Salem... Another Believer  ( Talk ) 15:00, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

military plane crash into a school in ~1960?
I found United Airlines Flight 173, which was much later. But what I'm hearing is about a PANG jet that crashed into a school near PDX around 1960. The pilot ejected and was trying to dump the jet in the Columbia.

Yeah, this isn't what Wikipedia is for. But WPORE is special. tedder (talk) 00:29, 13 October 2014 (UTC)


 * West Coast Airlines Flight 956 and Pan Am Flight 845/26 are both are closer, chronologically, but the rest of the details don't quite match. Grayfell (talk) 00:54, 13 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Ah! List of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft (1955–59), 9 January. No sources, but that sounds a lot closer. Nothing about a school, though. Grayfell (talk) 01:02, 13 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I kinda stumbled across that one. It was definitely a school in Portland. I guess I'll have to visit the library to get the O archives. tedder (talk) 04:35, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * December 20, 1962. Middle right of the front page. The title of the article was distorted which prevents a direct link to the article (and probably ruined the searchability). Email me if you want me to send you the Oregonian article as a PDF. --Esprqii (talk) 04:52, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Perfect! I was off by two years but had the details mostly correct. tedder (talk) 14:24, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Caribou in Oregon???? and Future Featured List...you can help!
I'm working on the List of mammals of Oregon and will eventually propose it for featured list status. I'm not very experienced as a content builder, having mostly made some stubs and done a whole lot of vandal reversion. The List of mammals of Florida is a featured list built off the list from the American Society of Mammalogists list. The list from that organization for the state of Oregon is here. It lists Caribou! That seems unlikely given my other research. Any thoughts? &mdash; Gaff ταλκ 07:55, 24 October 2014 (UTC)


 * My first instinct was that if there are any somewhere in Oregon, it is the Wallowas. This suggests there might be a few dozen which roam around the NE corner of Oregon, SE corner of Washington, but mostly in Idaho near there having ignored the Canadian border and crossed to wander around there.  —EncMstr (talk) 08:40, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. As you know, we need more than instincts for a featured WP article, but I'm with you, this doesn't fit.  The book that I have (Land Mammals of Oregon By B. J. Verts, Leslie N. Carraway) lists only three from this family of mammals: elk, mule deer, white tailed deer. The list online shows also Caribou and Moose.  Maybe they were here in recent (geological) times.  &mdash; Gaff  ταλκ 09:02, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Great list! I love it. I think you should add mountain goats, of which some live in the Wallowas. Plenty of sources support that. Jsayre64   (talk)  15:06, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * And moose for sure, contemporary, Wallowa County, small herd, according to an article in The Oregonian in 2010. I added a citation to the article. Finetooth (talk) 22:23, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Looks like both Mountain Goat and Moose have been added.  Oddly, Mountain Goat is not on the list from the American Society of Mammalogists.  I'm less and less impressed with that list.  Will stick with this book for the "final word". &mdash; Gaff  ταλκ 00:09, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Would love to see this list completed and promoted to FL status. Is the Florida list the only FL of mammals? It was promoted seven years ago? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:19, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The other state's mammal lists are in varying states of disrepair. They can be viewed here: Template:Lists of mammals by U.S. state.  This is going to be a fair amount of work.  If anyone is interested in helping, please move discussion to the article talk page.  It is on my watch list.  An easy way to help would be to bring in suitable images from Commons. Will also need to build up the text sections in the table.  Getting IUCN conservation status updates is time consuming and monotonous, so help with that would be appreciated. I'd also like some guidance on setting up the tables. They are currently sortable, but the header sections seems kind of janky. I'm not too adapt at wikitables, so any help there would be appreciated.  &mdash; Gaff  ταλκ 04:38, 25 October 2014 (UTC)


 * For not being adept at wikitables, you sure are doing an excellent job! Five years ago, only a small fraction of editors would have produced such quality and nice looking tables.  —EncMstr (talk) 06:49, 25 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks. It's all copy/paste, monkey see monkey do.  The tutorials/help sections on how to construct tables are not very helpful. FInding something that looks good and copying it seems the best route.  This tool is great for converting CSV files to wikitables: http://area23.brightbyte.de/csv2wp.php &mdash; Gaff  ταλκ 21:09, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Barnstar offer
If anyone (or multiple editors collaborating together) wants to take The Oregon Trail (video game) to WP:FA or at least WP:GA, there's a shiny Barnstar offer for ya from yours truly. :P &mdash; Cirt (talk) 08:39, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Hallock–McMillan Building


If anyone wants to help alleviate my confusion, I am struggling a little with the article for the Hallock–McMillan Building, which is the first and oldest commercial brick building in downtown Portland. The address is listed as 237 Southwest Naito Parkway. Here is a picture of what I would call two buildings. I assume the building in the foreground is older. Its address is 233 SW Front. Here is a picture of the attached building from a different angle. Its address is 237 SW Front, and it has signage about Portland's oldest building.

When I was taking pictures of the building(s), I was just going off the address alone, so I uploaded pictures of the 237 building to the Category:Hallock–McMillan Building at Commons. Now I am confused if the Wikipedia article for the Hallock–McMillan Building is even showing the right building, or if the Commons category contains the right images.

Sources confuse me further. This one calls the newer structure the Hallock–McMillan Building. This one shows both. Are these two structures simply considered one building?

All images I took of these structures are on the article's talk page, for easier categorization/recategorization. Just wondering what updates, if any, need to be made to the Wikipedia article or the images in the current Commons category. Any assistance would be helpful.

Wishing everyone a great rest of the weekend, and don't forget to vote! Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:16, 2 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry AB, as you know, saw the pic in the article before I read this. For those playing along at home, the building pictured is the Fechheimer & White Building, which has already undergone a lovely restoration. Glad I could help! And yes, the Hallock & McMillan Building was the victim of an atrocious remuddle at some point. Valfontis (talk) 02:17, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much, Val. Wow, I had convinced myself there must have been an address change, because the actual HM Building couldn't possibly be the oldest building in Portland. I'll try to find some older images of the building. Glad both have been identified. Perhaps the F&W Building also needs an article. Thanks again! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:39, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Update: Commons category for the Fechheimer & White Building. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 05:02, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * + Wikipedia stub for Fechheimer & White Building. Thanks again for helping! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:04, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

-- Another Believer ( Talk )

Gervais train crossing discussion
Heads up that there's a discussion happening on a small-town article: Talk:Gervais,_Oregon. tedder (talk) 02:52, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Anybody interested in offering a 2nd opinion? Valfontis (talk) 12:09, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

New article on graphic novel Bucko
I've created a new article on graphic novel Bucko.
 * Bucko

FYI, Oregon peoples, the comic lampoons and satirizes Portland culture with parodies of common themes.

Help or suggestions with additional secondary sources would be appreciated on the article's talk page, at Talk:Bucko.

Thank you,

&mdash; Cirt (talk) 04:20, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

New category - Stamps about Oregon
I was wondering if it would be worthwhile to create a new category titled something like "Stamps about Oregon" on this wikiproject. If so, I could modify an article I published in The American Philatelist a couple years. Of course, displaying the stamps would require careful attention to copyright issues, but it can be done. Tbergquist (talk) 21:42, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Are there many articles about stamps related to Oregon? I had a grandfather who was an avid stamp collector, but he never suggested there were many noteworthy stamps.  Also, I can't imagine that displaying a photo of a stamp is anywhere close to violating some copyright.  Surely printing up stamps is illegal, but looking at photos of them?  —EncMstr (talk) 23:14, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Sounds like an interesting topic. As EncMstr suggests, it might be a little challenging to find topic(s) that meet Wikipedia's notability criterion, but I suspect it would be possible to come up with something. You might also want to check in with WP:STAMPS (aka WikiProject Philately, for those who prefer fancy words!) I see there are some useful info/links about copyright on their main page. is your article online anywhere we could take a look at it? -Pete (talk) 01:09, 7 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Nice to see a fellow Oregonian Wikipedian Philatelist... You might do best with a list, like Postage stamps and postal history of Oregon.  There are other such lists of places out there (eg Postage stamps and postal history of India).  This could definitely be Featured List material.  You can look around at categories and lists for other states, to see how others are handling it, if at all.  Lists are easier to manage and do not carry the same burden in terms of administrative load as do categories.  For example, List of mammals of Oregon works well as a list, but maybe not as a category. The copyright issues about stamps are described at WikiProject Philately.  Of note, the Oregon Swallowtail stamp is Public Domain (Images of U.S. stamps issued before 1978 are in the public domain). &mdash; Gaff  ταλκ 03:50, 8 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Hey, I uploaded that! I must have checked the copyyright rules before I did. I used to collect stamps, so let me know if you need me to take a look at my collection for stamps to scan. There must be an Oregon Centennial stamp in there somewhere, I can't think of any others off the top of my head. Valfontis (talk) 17:27, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Am a philatelist too so this is interesting idea. Here are some Oregon stamp images that are already uploaded in Wikipedia:  3c Oregon Territory; 4c Oregon Statehood; 6c Crater Lake; and 3c Oregon Territory Centennial.  There is also a 3c Lewis and Clark stamp from 1954 if you want to include it.  Newer Oregon stamps include:  13c Oregon State Flag (part of US state flags set) issued in 1976; 20c Oregon State Bird issued in 1982; 29c Oregon Trail issued in 1993; 34c Greeting from Oregon issued in 2002; 41c Umpqua River Lighthouse issued in 2007; 41c Linus Pauling stamp issued in 2008; 42c Oregon Sesquicentennial issued in 2009; and 44c Oregon State Flag issued 2011.  With little research pretty sure you can find more Oregon stamps.  There are also some stamps that don’t appear to have any close association with Oregon, but nevertheless had the first day issue in an Oregon city … e.g. 41c Red Gerbera Daisy stamp issued in Portland on 10 August 2007.--Orygun (talk) 01:42, 11 November 2014 (UTC)


 * My article on stamps related to Oregon appeared in the March 2009 issue of The American Philatelist - http://stamps.org/AP-Archives-2009 for web site (for Oregon's 150th anniversary as a state). The actual article is online for members only, but anyone can look at the Table of Contents.  I did have a list of Oregon related stamps as part of the article.  Let me see what I can put together.  Good to know about WP:STAMPS; I will check it out.Tbergquist (talk) 17:58, 11 November 2014 (UTC)


 * In the spirit of WP:BOLD, I started an article Postal history of Oregon. It is a very weak stub, but I'm on my lunch break... I could not find any similar article about Oregon history or that of any other state.  If such an article exists, please let me know before I or somebody else put too much effort into this one.  &mdash; Gaff  ταλκ 21:10, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * So that it is consistent with similar article for other jurisdictions, should the page be moved to Postage stamps and postal history of Oregon? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:29, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * My thoughts: Those other jurisdictions are sovereign entities that issue stamps.  So in that sense, there are no "Postage stamps of Oregon."  There are postage stamps of the US (and maybe some other places??) that have Oregon as a topic.  These can be included in this article about Oregon postal history.  Hopefully that makes sense...  &mdash; Gaff  ταλκ 22:12, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

FYI...
... for those of you who always wondered what the hell that whale-tail-shaped messaged board is hanging above the Galleria MAX stop: Electronic Poet. Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:13, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I also created Da Tung and Xi'an Bao Bao and Wind Gate recently, if you want to brush up on your local public art! Another Believer  ( Talk ) 20:15, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The article says that Da Tung and Xi'an Bao Bao is "Universal Peace and Baby Elephant" in English. Any idea whether the title is in Mandarin or Cantonese or some other language?  It would be nice to mention it in the article.  YBG (talk) 22:07, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Great question, but I'm afraid the sources I have come across thus far have not provided an answer. Another Believer  ( Talk ) 22:50, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

+ Ghost Ship + Little Prince. Also, one might expect huge numbers of outdoor sculptures for NYC and Washington, D.C., but I was surprised to see the number of entries for Indianapolis and Milwaukee. Not to be outdone, I've started a list of outdoor sculptures for Portland based on the Smithsonian Institution's category "Outdoor Sculpture -- Oregon -- Portland". You can view this list at Wikipedia talk:Oregon Arts Project/Visual Arts/Sculpture. I have about 50 more or so to add, but it's a good start. I've also included Regional Arts & Culture Council (RACC) links when appropriate. Not all of these works will meet Wikipedia's notability criteria, but some of them will, and at least we have the list for future reference. I plan to keep chipping away at this list of redlinks by creating new articles, but of course assistance is always welcome.

Eventually, I will also get around to creating a list of RACC sculptures not included in Smithsonian's database, and work on lists for other Oregon cities. Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:02, 28 September 2014 (UTC)


 * As an aside, Salem is working on a public outdoor sculpture project that a bit better than the current "sculpture garden". Valfontis (talk) 17:06, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the update. Salem is next on my list, after I create lists of missing articles for Portland. Cities outside of Portland should not take nearly as long. P.S. - newly-created: Mimir (sculpture) and Yankee Champion. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:26, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Update: The list of outdoor sculptures in Salem surveyed by the Smithsonian Institution is complete. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:51, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Every outdoor sculpture in Oregon listed in Smithsonian's Art Inventories Catalog now appears at Wikipedia talk:Oregon Arts Project/Visual Arts/Sculpture (except for those in Corvallis, which I will revisit). Know something about one of these redlinks? Create a stub! Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:33, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Pacific Fur Company
I'm curious about anyone's input about a potential merger of the Pacific Fur Company and the Astor Expedition. The former article is in need of additional content and I discovered much of what I was to add was found in the latter article. As they cover the exact same topic, a fur trading company funded by Astor, I don't think it would be controversial to have them combined. Discussion here Voltaire&#39;s Vaquero (talk) 02:20, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Merger is supposed to be an alternative to deletion, and we usually do not delete articles unless the topic is not-notable. So the question is, are both topics notable, not whether or not the articles need work. I think both are notable, and while they do overlap, there can be enough divergence into details into the expedition that should not be in the company article and vice versa. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:10, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Gypsy Restaurant and Velvet Lounge
I've nominated Gypsy Restaurant and Velvet Lounge for GA status. All are welcome to read over the article to make improvements. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:42, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

The O
I think this would be a good article to write this Civil War week. I think it's notable (see also Hook 'em horns for a similar article). As most of you know, I'm a totally neutral platypus, but we have a lot of Ducks around here who might like to get this going and I'd be glad to chip in. --Esprqii (talk) 18:48, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Being a UT alumnus, I appreciate your example. :) Fun idea for an article. Does O (gesture) seem like the most appropriate title? (See Category:Hand gestures for other article titles.) --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:01, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Pitchfork (hand gesture) is a good Pac-12 corollary. --Esprqii (talk) 19:09, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I took a first stab at a new article. Please feel free to edit, expand and improve the wiki way! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:07, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Great start...I can look at this later. Just quickly, I think this photo has the right licenses and might be a good addition. --Esprqii (talk) 20:21, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Added a couple sources for expansion...the info in the NYT article is a natural for DYK bait. --Esprqii (talk) 20:28, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Why is the guy whose alma mater has an absurd tree for a mascot even involved in this conversation? Sounds great! Of course I favor the old older symbolism. Maybe we could also make that not be a redirect. It's on the NRHP, people! And will probably get painted orange soon if anyone wants to snap a pic of that... Valfontis (talk) 21:50, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Aw, I thought there was an article dedicated to the Big "O" (er...). I guess that is one more to add to the list. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:28, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Geez, I try and help you people have school spirit and this is the thanks I get! All we ever did was paint the top row "S" and "U" in these letters red (and the sorta L-shapedly contiguous "C" and "AL" in the second and third rows with grease to prevent them from being painted). And by "we" I mean not me or anyone I know. Or really anyone, ever. --Esprqii (talk) 22:29, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I created a stub for Big "O". It is just that, a stub, but it should be separate from the Skinner Butte article. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:51, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * This or this is what I think about when I think of Big O, but then there are lots of other possibilities for those who are neither mathematically nor linguistically, minded. YBG (talk) 03:01, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * We are such nerds. I ♥ Wikipedia. Valfontis (talk) 04:38, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * And then there's another O, but these days, it's not quite as big as it used to be. YBG (talk) 06:24, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for the fun collaboration! And we successfully deflected the deletionistas in super short order. Go us! Gimme an O, or an O-oh-woh, Eh-eh-ess, You-oo-oo if you prefer. I think it's DYK time! I hope I remember how to do it. I hope there aren't any new stringent requirements besides reviewing other articles. Blech. --Esprqii (talk) 04:06, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll let y'all weigh on the best DYK before I do it: as I mentioned above, the ASL one is total clickbait for our teenage readership, but the more scholarly choice would be about how it was adopted from a band gesture. Opinions? --Esprqii (talk) 04:24, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Tough choice. I love the idea of the ASL one being clickbait, and WP:CENSORED and all that. But as an adult and a feminist, I think far too many DYKs edge into Beavis and Butthead territory already. Of course, my subversive heart loves that men are embracing a feminine symbol, however inadvertently. Maybe, however, we should save our Beavis and Butthead energy (::heheheheheh::) for our Bottoms of Oregon article... Valfontis (talk) 19:06, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Cool historic topo map resource
I just learned about this: http://historicalmaps.arcgis.com/usgs/ which allows one to compare various USGS topo maps. Check out the cool slider feature! Valfontis (talk) 03:05, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Cool, indeed! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:20, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * That's awesome, thanks for sharing! <i style="font-variant:small-caps"><b style="color:#000">Little</b><b style="color:red">Mountain</b><b style="color:#00008B">5</b></i> 04:32, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, indeed. Interesting and useful. Finetooth (talk) 17:45, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Camas pocket gopher image
Camas pocket gophers are found only in the Willamette (and Yamhill) river valleys. I'm bringing the article on this endemic rodent up to GA status. (There is a DYK in here as well, as the gopher has been described as "morose and savage" and "one of the most vicious animals known for its size"). The current image on the page is some bad taxidermy in a museum in Genoa, Italy of an animal labeled as being from California. Does anyone here have access to a better image? &mdash; Gaff <b style="color:MediumSlateBlue;">ταλκ</b> 22:54, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Not sure I can help with your image request, but I look forward to seeing the GA version of the article! Another Believer  ( Talk ) 23:21, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Poor little guy. Maybe the UO natural history museum has a better-stuffed one? Valfontis (talk) 04:26, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ The Botanist/Restoration Ecologist at the Institute for Applied Ecology who took this image appliedeco.org/news/the-camas-pocket-gopher-small-but-fierce/ set me up with several excellent shots. Will upload soon to commons. &mdash; Gaff  <b style="color:MediumSlateBlue;">ταλκ</b> 21:28, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Would you please post here when you have uploaded pictures? What a vicious looking animal!  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  21:55, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Images are up. It took some leg work getting the licensing sorted out.  I have posted the others at Commons (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Thomomys_bulbivorus).  The article is coming along and I have requested peer review. Any feedback is appreciated. &mdash; Gaff  <b style="color:MediumSlateBlue;">ταλκ</b> 00:31, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I nominated this picture to be a featured picture at Featured picture candidates/Camas pocket gopher (3).JPG. It is a very exciting picture.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  12:32, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Somebody asked for Good Article update. Symbol support vote.svg Camas pocket gopher. I've placed a request at Guild of Copyeditors for some assist and will plan for submitting to FA once complete.  This is fun.  &mdash; Gaff  <b style="color:MediumSlateBlue;">ταλκ</b> 03:32, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Nice! Congrats on the article's promotion Another Believer  ( Talk ) 04:12, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Congrats! I've enjoyed seeing what you've done with that article and with List of mammals of Oregon. Jsayre64   (talk)  06:23, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Chiming Fountain
I expanded this article recently and my request for a copy edit from the Guild of Copy Editors was responded to quickly, so I will be nominating it for Good status ASAP. I am curious, though, my understanding is that the fountain has been dry for a very long time. Do any locals know whether or not the fountain has operated in recent history? Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:31, 3 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, it was running this summer and last summer. I am not sure when they turn it on, but it must be very late in the spring, if not the first day of real summer, because I haven't seen it on (or even filled) during Memorial Day weekend.  —EncMstr (talk) 06:07, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, EncMstr. Hmm, do you think I should change the wording of the article somehow? It says the fountain is dry per the Smithsonian source, but clearly it runs sometimes. I am trying to think of a way to say this without it being considered original research. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:44, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * An Oregonian article, "Fountains of Life", published in 2007 says in part, "The statue of a boy once stood atop this 1891 cast-iron relic, but it disappeared around 1912. The sound of its dripping water earns it the nickname of 'The Chiming Fountain.' Children dance beneath the drops or explore the playground immediately to the east." The story doesn't say when the water was turned back on, but I think this would do as an RS to verify what EncMstr noted above. I will go ahead and add the citation. Finetooth (talk) 17:38, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. The fact that recently-published guidebooks also talk about the fountain suggest it runs at least sometimes. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:42, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

I went ahead and nominated the article for GA status. I love Finetooth's idea of recording the chiming and uploading an audio file to Wikipedia. Obviously we will need to wait until the fountain in flowing again, but if anyone is familiar with recording sounds and file compatibility here at Wikipedia, feel free to help/share. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:26, 3 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Recording the sound is easily accomplished by standing below the big bowl and waiting for vehicles to go away. I might have a recording of it somewhere, though it might be hard to dig up since I have changed/upgraded computers about four times since recording it.  It is probably easier to wait until summer and record it again.... —EncMstr (talk) 21:31, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Lovejoy Columns
I had no idea these columns had such an interesting history. There are more sources on the talk page, if you are interested. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:05, 7 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Nice! This has been on my to-do list for 8 years. It might be worth noting that they can be seen in Drugstore Cowboy. Valfontis (talk) 23:47, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear! I ran into the columns (figuratively speaking) during my blitz of Portland's outdoor sculptures. I did see that the murals are seen in a few films, though I think on the Vanessa Renwick site, which is probably accurate but not a reliable source. One of the other sources I linked above may mention this, but if not I will be sure to dig deeper. Thanks for your work on the article! Another Believer  ( Talk ) 00:14, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I remember when they were still under the viaduct. Question--is the original artwork under the photo reconstructions, and what are the photo reconstructions printed on? Steel? Vinyl sticker on steel? Valfontis (talk) 01:10, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Great questions, TBD. I am not sure if the RACC links I posted on the article's talk page are related. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:07, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

University of Oregon
Some of you might've noticed that I have been making significant efforts to improve articles relating to the University of Oregon, and to lesser extents other Oregon universities. If anyone would like to help out, feel free to do so. I plan to fill the remaining red links in UO's navbox in the near future. Other suggestions for improvement or expansion of related articles are very much welcome! Ckere (talk) 06:33, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Rosemary Anderson High School shooting
Unfortunately, here we go again. Is this a notable school shooting? Maybe we need to create an article on Rosemary Anderson High School (for the newbies, did most of the high school articles, this is what is left) and add the info there. Here are two previous discussions: Clackamas and Troutdale. One has a standalone and one is a redir. Valfontis (talk) 19:45, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think an article for the high school with a section about the shooting is most appropriate. This is different than the Clackamas shooting, which received much more national attention. Another Believer  ( Talk ) 22:15, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Someone had redirected the school to the shooting, so I created a school article and changed it the other way around. Like many things, once I scratched the surface I discovered there is a lot of opportunity to expand the article. There's a lot more of interest there than the recent shooting. Valfontis (talk) 17:40, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Seeking assistance with categorizing Portland sites by neighborhood
I've spent some time populating North Portland, Northeast Portland, Northwest Portland, Southeast Portland, Southwest Portland with NRHP sites and parks. Certainly there are many articles I've missed (MAX stations and restaurants come to mind), but I categorized based on lists like Parks in Portland, NRHP listings, etc., as opposed to rummaging through Portland's subcategories randomly.

If you are familiar with a particular "quadrant" of the city and wish to help with the ongoing neighborhoods project seen at the top of this talk page by creating or moving entries to appropriate subcategories for specific neighborhoods, that would be very helpful. Maps for neighborhood boundaries can be found in the Notes column, if needed. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:20, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, a question for your consideration: Should these five categories (N, NE, NW, SE, SW) be subcategories of Category:Geography of Portland, Oregon or simply the Category:Portland, Oregon main category? The quadrant categories reference geography themselves, but the entries they contain may or may not. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:08, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

November COTM - Authors and Lighthouse edition
Sorry for the delay, but without further ado we have this month's collaboration: Improve the articles listed at List of lighthouses on the Oregon Coast, and a redlink elimination drive at Oregon Book Award (authors edition). So go forth and collaborate. Aboutmovies (talk) 15:23, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, time to get to work. I've been looking to update Katherine Dunn for some time…apparently she never won the OBA, so I guess it doesn't count. Thanks for keeping this alive, AM! -Pete (talk) 23:50, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I got started with a handful of books/author stubs (didn't notice the "author edition" part till now):
 * The Wrecking Crew: The Inside Story of Rock and Roll's Best-Kept Secret by Kent Hartman
 * Dreams Like Thunder by Diane Simmons
 * I did a little image tidying on a couple lighthouse articles, too. Anybody else working on this COTM? -Pete (talk) 01:56, 14 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Nice! I started Marcy Cottrell Houle over a redir and Finetooth is pitching in. And I got a start on Janet Stevenson before my browser crashed and lost my work (stupid Firefox update) so dibs on her please. I did a bunch of tidying of the list too and more to come because I love avoiding hard work. I think I started that lighthouse list so I should probably work on that one too... Valfontis (talk) 04:15, 14 November 2014 (UTC)


 * The Marcy Cottrell Houle bio is a really nice addition, I had not been aware of her work. (But I'm sure drew on it heavily in his work on the Forest Park articles!) I did a stub bio for Hartman too, I'm not sure enough source material exists to really expand it. I'm sorta glad the November COTM lingered, it's a good topic. -Pete (talk) 18:43, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Mary Nolan (politician)
Can someone with an interest in politician articles take a look at Mary Nolan (politician)? It needs updating but a couple recent attempts may have had some COI and removed cited info and wikilinks. Valfontis (talk) 21:17, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I did a quick run through. It could still use a fair amount of work, but hopefully the most glaring issues are now resolved. -Pete (talk) 17:46, 18 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for checking on this Pete. Hopefully the editor who wanted to trim out some of the other information will start a conversation about it. It's possible there is undue weight given to some of the old info in the political section that could be trimmed, and her current activities should definitely be updated. Valfontis (talk) 18:45, 18 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Sigh, you're right, I took another little stab. I hadn't realized there had been coverage of her current job. It really does need work...so do so many other articles about politicians...I think I'm done for today. -Pete (talk) 19:39, 18 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks again! I wasn't hinting for you to do it, honest. Stuff like this makes me wish hadn't quit. Valfontis (talk) 19:56, 18 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh, I know it. I just, you know. Compulsive, and stuff. And yeah, here's to the other missing father! -Pete (talk) 23:26, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Marshall Park (Portland, Oregon)
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Unless someone objects, would an admin mind moving Marshall Park (Portland, Oregon) to Marshall Park, Portland, Oregon so that the article title is consistent with other neighborhood articles. The current naming convention would be used for an article specifically about the park. Any help would be appreciated. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:44, 14 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I've put a deletion tag on the redirect page to request that. Jsayre64   (talk)  05:40, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Funny, I hadn't thought of doing that before. I just assumed an admin needed to move over the redirect. Either way works for me, so thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 05:52, 14 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Isn't the target name the one for neighborhoods? And what about Washington Park (Portland, Oregon)?  It seems to me it is already named consistently.  —EncMstr (talk) 06:03, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Parks are disambiguated by location with parenthesis. So Washington Park article is named correctly by using "Portland, Oregon" as a disambiguator. "Marshall Park (Portland, Oregon)" would be for the park and "Marshall Park, Portland, Oregon" would be for the neighborhood. (See Category:Neighborhoods in Portland, Oregon to view the inconsistency.) --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 06:09, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, I assumed the article was about the park which I know from high school days. Since the article is about the neighborhood, I have made the move.  —EncMstr (talk) 06:40, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. If you think the park is notable enough for an article, feel to override the "Marshall Park (Portland, Oregon)" redirect. :) --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 08:35, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Now Hollywood District (Portland, Oregon) remains the only inconsistently-titled article in the category. I would argue that most people refer to the area as simply "Hollywood", so "Hollywood, Portland, Oregon" is the best (and consistent) title. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:03, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Portland quadrants
Is there any article that would be the Portland equivalent to Street layout of Seattle and Manhattan address algorithm? And what about a category for such articles? I think it would be a good topic, and could include such trivia as the fact that the NW/SW boundary shifts a quarter mile between Multnomah County (which uses Burnside as a divider) and Washington County, which used the Willamette Baseline which corresponds to Stark St and Baseline Rd. This makes difference of 500 in street numbering between houses on SW 64th and SW 66th (I can't remember how SW 65th works), and it means that there is a quarter mile stretch of Scholls Ferry Road where the numbers should increase very very slowly, but fortunately don't have any properties properties fronting on it. YBG (talk) 08:21, 20 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I thought there was such an article. When I searched for it, Great Portland Street was the first hit, clearly not of local interest.  There are bits and pieces in Ladd's Addition, neighborhoods of Portland, Oregon, city block (Portland is mentioned twice), grid plan (twice), Big Pink, Fused Grid, Willamette Stone, MAX Light Rail, Rose City Freeway, street names #1, street names #2, Streetcars in North America, Providence Park MAX Station, Streetcar suburb.  I didn't find a more comprehensive like I thought I remembered.  :-(  —EncMstr (talk) 18:19, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Neighborhoods?
Thoughts on whether or not we should created categories for Portland's neighborhoods, assuming there are at least three entries to include in the category? See Old Town Chinatown or St. Johns for examples of the type of entries that can be grouped together. Most neighborhoods have a parent article, plus existing or missing articles for NRHP sites, public art, notable businesses or landmarks, streets, etc. Neighborhood categories can be categorized in one or more of the following: N PDX, NE PDX, NW PDX, SEPDX, SW PDX, each of which are subcategories of Geography of PDX.

Other neighborhood categories: Buckman, Goose Hollow, Hollywood, Old Town Chinatown, Pearl District, St. Johns and Woodstock.

Category:Neighborhoods in Portland, Oregon and Neighborhoods of Portland, Oregon could be used to construct a list of neighborhoods needing articles, but I thought I would float the idea here first to see if this is a project makes sense and is worth pursuing. Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:11, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Neighbors West-Northwest (NWNW)
These are in Northwest Portland, except Arlington Heights, Goose Hollow, Portland Downtown and Sylvan-Highlands, which are in Southwest Portland. Part of Old Town Chinatown is in SW Portland.

Related: National Register of Historic Places listings in Northwest Portland, Oregon, National Register of Historic Places listings in Southwest Portland, Oregon.

Southwest Neighborhoods, Inc. (SWNI)
All are in Southwest Portland.

Related: National Register of Historic Places listings in Southwest Portland, Oregon.

North Portland Neighborhood Services (NPNS)
Most lie entirely within North Portland. Bridgeton, East Columbia, Hayden Island and Piedmont are split between North and Northeast sections.

Related: National Register of Historic Places listings in Northeast Portland, Oregon, National Register of Historic Places listings in North Portland, Oregon.

This site also includes East Columbia Neighborhood Association. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:32, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Note: As of December 21, 2014, all sites at National Register of Historic Places listings in North Portland, Oregon have been labeled with an appropriate neighborhood and/or quadrant category, except Kenton Commercial Historic District and USS LCI(L)-713, which do not yet have Wikipedia articles. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:34, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Northeast Coalition of Neighborhoods (NECN)
Most lie entirely within Northeast Portland. Boise, Eliot, and Humboldt include areas in North Portland.

Related: National Register of Historic Places listings in Northeast Portland, Oregon, National Register of Historic Places listings in North Portland, Oregon.

Central Northeast Neighbors, Inc. (CNN)
All lie within Northeast Portland.

Related: National Register of Historic Places listings in Northeast Portland, Oregon.

East Portland Neighborhood Office (EPNO)
Argay, Parkrose, Parkrose Heights, Russell, Wilkes, and Woodland Park are in Northeast Portland. Glenfair and Hazelwood are split between Northeast and Southeast sections. Centennial, Lents, Mill Park, Pleasant Valley, and Powellhurst-Gilbert are in Southeast Portland.

Southeast Uplift Neighborhood Program (SE Uplift)
All are entirely within Southeast Portland, except North Tabor, Laurelhurst, Kerns, and Montavilla, which are split between Northeast and Southeast sections and Ardenwald-Johnson Creek, which covers both Portland and Milwaukie.

Unaffiliated
The following neighborhoods are unaffiliated with a coalition:

Other areas and communities
These Wikipedia articles may need to be associated with proper neighborhood categories.


 * Alberta Arts District, an art, retail and restaurant area in the King, Vernon, and Concordia neighborhoods
 * Albina, a historical city which was consolidated into Portland in 1891
 * Belmont, a retail and residential area in the Buckman, Sunnyside and Mt. Tabor neighborhoods ✅
 * (Commons category could also be associated with neighborhoods)
 * Dunthorpe, an affluent unincorporated enclave just beyond the city limits, north of Lake Oswego
 * East Portland, a historical city which was consolidated into Portland in 1891
 * Hawthorne, a retail, restaurant and cultural district running through the Buckman, Hosford-Abernethy, Sunnyside, Richmond and Mt. Tabor neighborhoods ✅
 * Commons category could also be associated with neighborhoods
 * Maywood Park, a Northeast neighborhood that seceded to become an independent city
 * Vanport, a city located in present-day North Portland destroyed by a flood in 1948
 * Westmoreland

Also, here are the Commons categories for unofficial "neighborhoods", which may also need to be categorized appropriately.
 * commons:Category:Belmont, Portland, Oregon
 * commons:Category:East Portland Grand Avenue Historic District
 * commons:Category:Hawthorne, Portland, Oregon
 * commons:Category:King's Hill Historic District
 * commons:Category:Ladd's Addition, Portland, Oregon
 * commons:Category:Portland Yamhill Historic District
 * commons:Category:RiverPlace
 * commons:Category:South Waterfront, Portland, Oregon

Feel free to edit any of the above tables/lists directly. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:58, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Categorization question
Almost all of Old Town Chinatown neighborhood is in Northwest Portland. However, there is a small section in Southwest Portland. Sites within the SW section include Dan and Louis Oyster Bar, Portland (steam tug 1947), Portland Saturday Market, Skidmore Fountain and Voodoo Doughnut. All of these are entries labeled with the Old Town Chinatown category. So are the sites in the NW section of Old Town. However, all entries within the Old Town Chinatown category are also labeled with either the NW or SW Portland category, because the Old Town Chinatown category itself cannot be considered a subcategory of NW Portland or SW Portland. If I am even making sense up to this point, here is my question. Is the only way to distinguish the SW and NW sections to create subcategories of Old Town by quadrant, and is that even helpful? The only way I can think to do this is "Category:Old Town China (northwest)" and "Category:Old Town Chinatown (southwest)", but I'm not sure I've come across something similar on Wikipedia before.

Also, I should acknowledge that a discussion re: a merge of SW Portland category to the Portland category can be seen here. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:22, 20 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I think of it as two parallel category schemes: NE/SE/NW/SW/N, and named neighborhoods.  It makes sense to put many, if not most, of the latter into the former, but neighborhoods like Old Town (and Pearl District) should either both go in SW and NW, or neither. —EncMstr (talk) 06:44, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * When you say it makes sense to put neighborhoods into quadrant categories, are you referring to neighborhood articles or neighborhood categories? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 06:50, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Would it help to add a Downtown category to include the area bounded by I-405 and the Willamette? YBG (talk) 08:08, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I raised the same question in the table up at the top of the page. There is an article for Downtown Portland, but it is about the downtown core in general and not the neighborhood specifically called Portland Downtown. Should we somehow differentiate Downtown Portland and Portland Downtown? I think so, but I am not sure of the best way. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:09, 21 December 2014 (UTC)


 * The postal addressing system was designed to identify regions of the city, and neighborhoods are generally well-behaved in these regions, but exceptions exist. It would be the same problem with trying to stuff neighborhoods into the zip code map. Why not just say that a neighborhood is in a geographic region with a few listed exceptions? With respect to categories, database designers always fudge a little on the exceptions. Geirfuglasker (talk) 22:11, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Westmoreland
I am still working on the above neighborhoods project off and on. I posed a question on the talk page for Westmoreland, Portland, Oregon re: whether or not Westmoreland is an actual neighborhood. The Wikipedia article's map links to Sellwood-Moreland. I can't find a Westmoreland neighborhood association, nor does it appear to be part of the Southeast Uplift Neighborhood Program (SE Uplift). I propose removing the article from Category:Neighborhoods in Portland, Oregon and adding it to the category Category:Sellwood, Portland, Oregon. The articles Westmoreland Park and Uroboros (sculpture) would also be moved to the Sellwood category. Does this seem appropriate? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:45, 11 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I lived in the Sellwood neighborhood for a time. I and my neighbors did not consider it part of Westmoreland (or Moreland), though it was hard to pin down even roughly where the boundary between neighborhoods is.  Perhaps the city has combined them to reduce neighborhood association expenses, or some other such ignorance?  —EncMstr (talk) 19:19, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with having a separate Wikipedia article for the Westmoreland area, but I did add it to the Sellwood category and removed it from the "Neighborhoods in Portland" category. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:43, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that there is a basic issue here -- the difference between a neighborhood (which Westmoreland most certainly is) and a neighborhood association (which apparently it is not). Careful naming could alleviate this problem. YBG (talk) 18:20, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * What are you suggesting, then? Seems to me the Westmoreland article should talk about the history of the area, but still be associated with the Sellwood neighborhood since Westmoreland lies within its boundaries. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:29, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm saying that if the category is named "Neighborhoods in Portland", then it seems Westmoreland belongs. The category should be renamed to something that makes it obvious that Westmoreland doesn't belong.  "Neighborhoods in Portland with an organized neighborhood association" is a bit wordy, but that's the general idea. YBG (talk) 18:36, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy New COTM
After six weeks we finally have a new set, Cover Oregon and the Heathman Hotel. Both have recent news that should provide fodder for expansion. Yeah! Aboutmovies (talk) 15:35, 2 January 2015 (UTC)