Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Taiwan/Archive 3

Category:Chinese chess players
This category name is highly confusing, since Chinese chess is the common English name for a different board game, and one would naturally expect it to be filled with players of Chinese chess. Any suggestions on renaming it? 70.51.9.174 (talk) 07:47, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The category actually contains Chinese players who plays chess. The category you're looking for is probably Category:Taiwanese Go players.-- Jerrch 20:04, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Go is a different game, weiqi. xiangqi is chinese chess. 70.55.87.75 (talk) 05:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

See Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_January_5 for discussion. 70.55.87.75 (talk) 05:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

what/where?
what is the criteria for placing articles in the Category:Taiwan, vs Category:Republic of China vs Category:China? There is no information in these categories to indicate this. Hmains (talk) 01:41, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Ailing,Tai
This article claims that the musician is signed with major labels, but the article has been prodded as non-notable. Is there someone more familiar with Taiwan's pop music scene who can be helpful in establishing notability or lack thereof? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:13, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Taoyuan County (Taiwan)
If you are interested, I invite you to discuss whether Taoyuan County (Taiwan) should be moved to Taoyuan County, Taiwan at Talk:Taoyuan County (Taiwan). Thank you. --Neo-Jay (talk) 02:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

bopomofo
Can people add bopomofo entries into Wiktionary? 70.55.84.42 (talk) 10:03, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Vietnamese people in Taiwan
Hello everyone, I nominated Vietnamese people in Taiwan (include "en:" and other languages) as a candidate in Translation of the week. :) Luuva (talk) 15:43, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Article importance
Is Fo Guang Shan really Mid-importance? --Slashem (talk) 10:33, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Deletion proposal
See Templates_for_deletion/Log/2008_April_27. Badagnani (talk) 14:28, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

China and PRC articles request to be renamed
User:SmuckyTheCat is requesting that China be renamed, and replaced by the People's Republic of China article at "China". 70.55.88.176 (talk) 07:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

TfD on Template:Politics of the Republic of China sidebar
Template:Politics of the Republic of China sidebar has been nominated for deletion. See WP:TfD 74.15.105.204 (talk) 05:34, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Draft Guidelines for Lists of companies by country - Feedback Requested
Within WikiProject Companies I am trying to establish guidelines for all Lists of companies by country, the implementation of which would hopefully ensure a minimum quality standard and level of consistency across all of these related but currently disparate articles. The ultimate goal is the improvement of these articles to Featured List status. As a WikiProject that currently has one of these lists within your scope, I would really appreciate your feedback! You can find the draft guidelines here. Thanks for your help as we look to build consensus and improve Wikipedia! - Richc80 (talk) 14:21, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Merge proposal China and People's Republic of China to China
There's a merge proposal at Talk:People's Republic of China to merge People's Republic of China into China. 70.55.86.34 (talk) 07:34, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Manhua
Does anyone have any objection to me proposing addition of manhua to the scope of WikiProject Comics' world comics work group? I can't find any cohesive group working on manhua in any wikiproject. I had a terrible time just finding a manhua infobox template. :) I figured the comics project's brand-new world comics group would be a good place to serve as a manhua hub.  What do you guys think?  Thanks for your feedback! -- hamu♥hamu  ( talk ) 02:52, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Taiwan Province, People's Republic of China - sent for deletion
Taiwan Province, People's Republic of China has been nominated for deletion at WP:AFD. 70.51.9.166 (talk) 04:49, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

"Taiwan" (ROC) vs. Taiwan the island (transferred from Talk:Taiwan)
Hi. This is a query/suggestion transferred from Talk:Taiwan.

Having passed by a few of the articles, templates and categories named using "Republic of China" and/or "Taiwan", I'm not sure these names (and their combination) are being used consistently. If they are, perhaps some kind of comment could -- should -- be inserted at the start of these pages in order to indicate and/or point to the rationale (and, if these pages are subject to POV renamings, perhaps they should all be permanently semi-protected).

I'm no expert on things Chinese, but, given that Wikipedia is meant to be a general encyclopedia for lay folk like myself, perhaps that's a plus. As "Taiwan" is used as an informal moniker for the Republic of China since 1949, is it possible to name all articles/categories/etc either using
 * "Taiwan (island)" (or "Taiwanese (island)") for all topics primarily or mostly relating to the island known as "Taiwan", before and/or after 1949 -- i.e. "Taiwan" plus some kind of disambiguation to indicate the island not the post-1949 Republic of China;
 * "Republic of China (Taiwan)" for all topics primarily or mostly relating to the Republic of China since 1949;
 * "Republic of China" for all topics primarily or mostly relating to the Republic of China before 1949...?

Sardanaphalus (talk) 02:17, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Request move: Zhuyin → Bopomofo
Request move: Zhuyin → Bopomofo; discuss here: Talk:Zhuyin --Voidvector (talk) 05:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Rename proposal for the lists of basic topics
This project's subject has a page in the set of Lists of basic topics.

See the proposal at the Village pump to change the names of all those pages.

The Transhumanist 10:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme
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CAKE Directory
Executive Yuan has built CAKE Directory (Categorized Administrative Knowledge Framework, "施政分類架構"). It contains many official terms for administrative works. These terms are presented in a hierarchical table, along with their English translations. 118.169.96.3 (talk) 05:01, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * CAKE [English page]
 * 行政院施政分類架構 ─ 認識本架構

GA under review
Hello there, the article AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-kuo, which falls under the auspices of this Wikiproject, has come under review as part of GA Sweeps and a number of problems have been identified and listed on the talk page. If these problems have not begun to be addressed by seven days from this notice, the article will be delisted from GA and will have to go through the GAN process all over again to regain its status once improvements have been made. If you have any questions, please drop me a line.--Jackyd101 (talk) 14:21, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

CFM on Category:Overseas Chinese groups with Category:Chinese diaspora
Category:Overseas Chinese groups has been nominated for merger with Category:Chinese diaspora at WP:CFD. 70.55.84.243 (talk) 09:05, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Taiwanese (linguistics) FAR
Taiwanese (linguistics) has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 15:49, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject workgroup on Sino-Japanese-Korean relations
Wikiproject Sino-Japanese-Korean relations

I have proposed a Wikiproject workgroup on Sino-Japanese-Korean relations.

In my opinion, Wikipedia topics on Sino-Japanese-Korean topics all too often, and unfortunately, reflect the tense, exaggerated, embittered and often politically nationalistic debates currently prevalent in the popular presses of these three great nations.

In many case, these polemics are immature, propagandistic and unencyclopedic in nature and causes being promoted by unethical editing habits. Japanese-Korean topics appear to be amongst the more problematic topics on the Wikipedia.

At the same time, within each nation and academic circles there are moves to create pan-national understanding and document an accurate account of history. It is therefore proposed to establish a Sino-Japanese-Korean workgroup interested in establishing good working relations to improve the academic nature of these articles and encourage normal editing.

For the sakes of honesty and transparency, this pan-national workgroup was sincerely proposed precisely in response to the mode of operation used by many editors

Such wasteful activities as persistent allegations, personal attacks and other distractions from the primary activity of content production and reference checking only discouraging newcomers, less aggressive and, especially, genuine academics from participating on the Wikipedia. They undermine the goodwill of the Wikipedia.

It is hoped that by bring together authors from across the spectrum who are interested in rising above differences standards, understanding and sensitivity can be improved; just as they are in academia at present.

Your contribution is welcome. My apologies if it is not according to the protocols to make such announcements on other WikiProjects.

Obviously, involvement of "indigenous Taiwanese" would be very welcome. --Ex-oneatf (talk) 05:37, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup
Currently, 2138 articles are assigned to this project, of which 418, or 19.6%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 2008-07-14.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. Subscribing is easy - just add a template to your project page. If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page. --B. Wolterding (talk) 11:16, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Wang Sheng (Taiwan General)
Please have a look at this article, and add your comments. DOR (HK) (talk) 05:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Vivian Wu Yen/Wu Shuen-wen
Why is there no article for Vivian Wu Yen (also known as Wu Shuen-wen and Vivan Wu), who just died and made the covers of several Taiwanese newspapers? (for a few days, you can see the front pages here (Apple Daily - Taiwan edition) and here (Economic Daily News/Jingji Ribao), According to this article she was the richest women in Taiwan, founder of Tai Yuen Textile Co, Yulon Motor Co., Ltd. and. China Motor Corporation, President of Yulon Group, etc. Seems like a worthy subject for this project.  68.167.191.253 (talk) 08:08, 11 August 2008 (UTC).
 * Obituary at The China Post
 * World's Richest People > Vivian Wu from Forbes


 * It had been created as Vivian Shun-wen Wu. luuva (talk) 09:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Republic of China at the 1952 Summer Olympics
Republic of China at the 1952 Summer Olympics was prodded. I removed the prod because I think it represents a significant event in cold war history, and the battle between the two Chinas at the IOC. 70.55.86.69 (talk) 08:30, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Chinese entertainer infobox
Template:Infobox Chinese, Taiwanese, Singaporean, Malaysian actor and singer → Template:Infobox Chinese actor and singer

There has been a requested move at WP:RM for this move. 70.55.86.69 (talk) 08:43, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Tainan
has been sent to WP:CFD 70.51.11.201 (talk) 10:35, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Free Area of the Republic of China
Proposed move Free Area of the Republic of China to Taiwan Area, an article name that is more NPOV. (Discuss here)--Voidvector (talk) 21:29, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

ROC flag
Earlier, the article Flag of the Republic of China was removed from FA status. I feel like making it FA again, care to join me? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 02:09, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Taiwan-related
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1871 incident
In 1871, there was an incident in which an Okinawan fishing boat crashed upon Formosa (Taiwan). As I understand it, there was some sort of struggle between the Okinawan fishermen and a number of local natives, which ended in the deaths of nearly all of the Okinawan fishermen. As Peking and Tokyo became aware of the event, it developed into a major international incident, leading to sovereignty debates over both Taiwan and the Ryukyus, and playing a major role in the eventual decision by Tokyo in 1879 to abolish the Ryukyu Kingdom and fully annex the Ryukyus as "Okinawa Prefecture", over China's protests.

Here's my question - does an article for this incident already exist? If not, what should we call it? There is an article on the Japanese Taiwan Expedition of 1874 which resulted, but does the original incident not merit an article as well?

George H. Kerr, a British historian of both Okinawa and Taiwan, calls it the "Formosa Incident" in his book "Okinawa: the History of an Island People", though that is of course a term useful from the Okinawan/Japanese point of view. From the Taiwanese point of view, I'm sure it could just as easily be called the "Ryukyu Incident". Neither is sufficiently objective or explanatory for our purposes. Louis Frederic's "Japan Encyclopedia" calls it ryūkyū kizoku mondai (琉球帰属問題), the term also used in the Japanese Wikipedia's article for the Taiwan Expedition (there's no separate article for the incident on the Japanese Wikipedia), a term which translates roughly as "Ryukyu Belonging-to Problem".

I do not know whether or not I will write such an article any time soon, but in the meantime it would be good to have a standard title to link to, even if it is a red link.

I have posted a comment on WikiProject Japan's talk page as well, asking that anyone interested join the discussion here. I hope we can reach a consensus quickly and easily, with a minimum of heated debate; this is a potentially controversial subject, but I hope we can be mature about it, distance ourselves from the issue, and approach it as objective, professional, scholarly historians. Thank you. LordAmeth (talk) 20:39, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I admire your optimism. In the meantime, I will have a look at what Davidson and Imbault-Hart have to say about the 1871 incident.  I will also include a more detailed account of the 1874 Japanese punitive campaign and the battle of Stone Gate in the 1874 article.  Davidson has several detailed pages on the campaign, including a reliable Japanese order of battle.
 * Djwilms (talk) 02:02, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Much thanks. LordAmeth (talk) 02:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Davidson has only a short paragraph dealing with the 1871 incident, compared with 46 pages on the 1874 expedition. This is all he has to say on the subject:


 * "A large fishing and trading vessel belonging to one of the islands of the Miyako group of the Loochoos was wrecked on the southern coast of Formosa in the month of December, 1871. The disaster occurring in proximity to the Botan tribe of savages, fifty-four of the crew were murdered.  A few survivors were eventually able to return to their homes, and through them the news of the crime was made known to the highest authorities with whom they were acquainted."


 * Davidson describes the late-nineteenth-century history of Taiwan in exhaustive detail, and if this is all he can find on the 1871 massacre, I would be surprised if any other source was able to add much.


 * That being the case, I think it would probably be best to keep the 1871 incident within the 1874 article for the time being.  If further details emerge, we could perhaps then consider treating it in a separate article ('Paiwan Massacre, 1871').


 * I have begun to rewrite the 1874 article, using Davidson as my main source. I expect to be able to provide a far more detailed account of the Japanese expedition, and I will also provide a far more detailed account of the political and diplomatic issues raised.  At present they are not adequately described or sourced.  Expect to see this page change considerably over the next few weeks.


 * Djwilms (talk) 02:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Sia-wau-fu
Hi - I am currently creating an article about Charles Maries, botanist. My source states that he landed on "Formosa" at "Sia-wau-fu". Can someone identify the modern name/spelling for this port? Thanks. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 08:06, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Chung-Shan Building
Can anyone tell me if the article I made here is factual? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 07:04, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Missing concept
I have a problem with the way the Taiwan articles are structured. There seems to be something missing. I was looking at the disambiguation page, and we have as possible meanings for "Taiwan"
 * Taiwan, the island in East Asia...
 * Republic of China, often known as "Taiwan", the political entity...
 * Taiwan Area, the geopolitical area...
 * Taiwan Province, the administrative division...

But what is meant when someone says they visited Green Island during their stay in Taiwan? What is meant when aborigines from Orchid Island are called "Taiwanese aborigines"?

Like the names of other places having a single government and shared history, a single name is typically used for the whole area, in this case the name is "Taiwan", and it refers to more than just the political entity or entities doing the governing.

I don't know enough about the usage to say whether Kinmen and Matsu implied when people say "Taiwan", but I know that people are not excluding Turtle Island when using the term.

Perhaps the easiest way to solve this would be to make the main "Taiwan" article to be about more than just the main island and instead make it about the entire area that is implied in most usages of "Taiwan". Readin (talk) 13:58, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Foreign government offices in Taiwan
An editor is proposing to remove from Diplomatic missions of Ireland details of Ireland's unofficial Government office in Taipei, on the grounds that Ireland does not have diplomatic relations with the Republic of China/Taiwan.

Current practice is that we include these quasi-official offices, as they perform the de facto responsibilities of a diplomatic mission and these offices are usually run (albeit at arms length) by a sending state's foreign affairs ministry.

In line with Wikipedia's policy on consistency, a change to this article would necessitate us to eliminate details of all foreign Government offices in Taiwan which do not recognise the Republic of China/Taiwan.

Could we also ascertain if receiving states should be named according to how they name themselves, or how the sending state calls it.

Please enter your comments here: Talk:Diplomatic missions of Ireland. Kransky (talk) 13:46, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Ang Lee
Is it known whether he has US citizenship or just a green card? Please see Talk:Ang_Lee -- it seems that English and Chinese language sources give different answers to this question. It would be nice to get a definitive answer. Kusma (talk) 12:41, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism on Vietnamese people in Taiwan and Peter Nguyen
Can some active editors from this project add the above two pages to their watchlist to help fight vandalism? Lots of sockpuppets of User:Nipponese Dog Calvero and IPs in the 114.44.* range have been repeatedly removing a source from it (a citation to United Daily News) and replacing it with a link to a blog. Thanks, cab (talk) 06:05, 24 December 2008 (UTC)