Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red/Archive 65

Looking for more sources
I created Floy Little Bartlett and I am surprised at how little I could find since the score of one of her songs was in a famous film. I'm looking for help to find more things about her, her music, and her book. Thanks in advance. SL93 (talk) 20:03, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll dig for some more info. I'll post the links on the talk page of her article. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 20:44, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * One thing I find helps is to check the Library of Congress, or other large collections. That way you get some idea of what exists. Remember to use both maiden and married names in the searches and (sadly enough) "Mrs. Husband Name". After that, one can move to things like obituaries in her local papers, and so on. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.8% of all FPs 20:46, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the help from you two. Megalibrarygirl, thanks for the source help on the talk page. SL93 (talk) 20:55, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm kind of impressed at how poor sources are from her. Mind, she does kind of fall into the worst period for this. Right in the middle of a sheet music boom, used in silent films, so there's no recordings of the usage, and, judging by the titles, falling into a sentimental mood, which seems to have not really been what people kept from the 1910s. Plus, a lot of her works came out a bit before WWI, so, plenty of chaos to lose them in. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.8% of all FPs 21:09, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I have come into source problems quite a bit with women composers and it's a shame. I own a copy of International Encyclopedia of Women Composers and it lists so many composers that I feel should be notable, but I just can't find enough coverage where I can feel it would survive an AfD. SL93 (talk) 21:17, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * , : I'm interested in covering women composers, especially those from continental Europe, and am familiar with several sources which don't usually show up in Google searches in English. If you could give the names of a few of those you have been investigating, I may be able to create articles likely to survive. As for those from Britain and North America, I think there's enough expertise among the English speakers to check them out.--Ipigott (talk) 06:13, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
 * , I'm away from my stuff until sometime tomorrow, but I can list some here when I get back home. SL93 (talk) 16:39, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
 * , I could only locate two of the names I was researching, but they are Gertrud Maria Mell (Sweden) and Jelena Milenković Živković (Yugoslavia). Sources right now for Mell - an entry in my encyclopedia and this. Sources right now for Milenković Živković - my encyclopedia and this. SL93 (talk) 20:55, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for these. Mell is included here in the Swedish lexicon Vem är hon and briefly in a number of other Swedish sources. I see she died on 30 June 2016. I'll write a short article about her in the next day or two. You can then perhaps add any additional information from your encyclopedia.--Ipigott (talk) 09:19, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It's looking likely we'll be performing Louise Bertin's Le loup-garou next year, so I'd love to see her operas documented better. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.8% of all FPs 07:13, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I think you did a fine job in finding sources, and the article looks good. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:52, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Faces of Progress.
A little initiative I set myself, and, while I don't necessarily think everyone has to be female for it, I'd like quite a few to be. (Though Civil Rights activists and the like are also highly viable contenders, although I'd prefer to not have too many straight white men; people will find straight white men to hold up without my help). It's listed at User:Adam_Cuerden, and I could use suggestions for the remaining (sigh) 41 states. Would like to finish this before the person who inspired it leaves office. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.8% of all FPs 15:38, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't actually want to ask you to do another photo until the Inter-Allied Women's Conference one is done, but I am rationalizing this as I am not asking you, rather you asked. Wilma Mankiller would be awesome for Oklahoma, though I am not sure any of the images we have are PD and I couldn't find any working on her article. Possibly instead then Kate Barnard? SusunW (talk) 18:11, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * What a terrific project! Browsing United States Women's Halls of Fame, I found the following women who may be good candidates:
 * Alaska: Nora Marks Dauenhauer / Georgianna Lincoln
 * Florida: M. Athalie Range
 * Georgia: Helen Dortch Longstreet / Rebecca Latimer Felton / Nellie Peters Black
 * Do any of those fit the bill? nonmodernist (talk) 19:11, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I think I'm going to have to reject Felton. Though she has good points, "a white supremacist and slave owner; and one of the few prominent women who spoke in favor of lynching" is maybe not the best example. As for the others, since this is my project, a.k.a. me trying to find images to do restoration on, it's going to be down to the availability of images in need of that. That said, I'm definitely nominating Dauenhauer for FP. That's a great image. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.8% of all FPs 20:27, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Belatedly here to say yikes @ myself re: Felton... I went by images without reading the actual articles, which was clearly not the best strategy. Lesson learned! nonmodernist (talk) 00:17, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * How about these?
 * California: Clara Elizabeth Chan Lee
 * Connecticut: Abby Hadassah Smith
 * Delaware: Alice Dunbar Nelson
 * Illinois: Elizabeth Packard
 * Massachusetts: Lydia Maria Child / Abby Morton Diaz / Catherine Amelia Fay Ewing / Caroline F. Putnam / Judith Winsor Smith
 * Nebraska: Ada Bittenbender / Ella Mahammitt
 * Nick Number (talk) 20:03, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Going to have to research to see what images are available, but they all seem worthy. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.8% of all FPs 20:33, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Happy to chip in some ideas from my starts; all have images, but not great ones, so there's the possibility of better. Penny Richards (talk) 23:58, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Alaska: Kathryn Dyakanoff Seller, Tillie Paul
 * California: Mariana Bertola, Esto Bates Broughton, Lillian Burkhart Goldsmith, Mabel Farrington Gifford, Lydia Flood Jackson, Sadie Chandler Cole, Maud Younger
 * Colorado: Alma V. Lafferty, Theodosia Grace Ammons, Helen Loring Grenfell
 * Florida: Gladys Nichols Milton
 * Maine: Lucy Nicolar Poolaw
 * Maryland: Ida R. Cummings
 * Massachusetts: Mary Boyle O'Reilly, Lucia Ames Mead
 * Michigan: Mamie Geraldine Neale Bledsoe
 * North Carolina: Lily Morehead Mebane, Harriet Morehead Berry
 * Ohio: Caroline McCullough Everhard, Rosa L. Segur, Pauline Perlmutter Steinem
 * Rhode Island: Roberta Dunbar
 * South Dakota: Alice Lorraine Daly
 * West Virginia: Coralie Franklin Cook
 * Wisconsin: Maud Leonard McCreery
 * Following in the footsteps of, I'm happy to chip in some ideas from my starts/improves. All have images, but not great ones, so there's the possibility of improving them. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:13, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Connecticut: Mary Charlotte Ward Granniss Webster Billings
 * Georgia: Helen Dortch Longstreet
 * Iowa: Lizzie Holmes
 * Kentucky: Jennie Casseday
 * Massachusetts: Elizabeth Cabot Agassiz, Ednah Dow Littlehale Cheney, Mary Livermore, Helen Hunt Jackson
 * Michigan: Lucy A. Mallory
 * New York: Eliza Maria Mosher, Sara Jane Lippincott, Matilda Joslyn Gage
 * Pennsylvania: Hallie Quinn Brown
 * Rhode Island: Elleanor Eldridge

The nice thing about a memoir is that they're usually out there. I found this: http://www.eldreds.com/auctions/detail/item/256188/sale/933/dept/1 which has a fairly high-res scan of the title page and frontispiece. A little cleanup, and there we go! Think I'll start there. Haven't found anything on some of the people in the lists yet, but then, there's a lot of archives and I probably don't even know about some of them. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.8% of all FPs 06:30, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

File:Frontispiece and title page of The Memoirs of Elleanor Eldridge (1840) - Original.jpg Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.8% of all FPs 06:41, 17 July 2019 (UTC)


 * --Rosiestep (talk) 14:35, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

I am not at all cognizant of what is being requested. I'm new to the ins and outs of this page. Can somebody, anybody, elucidate. Thanks. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Mims Butterworth
I'll just leave this link here, Mims Butterworth, along with some references. To research this I recommend searching newspaper archives. Much of her public activity was in the pre-Internet era. Jehochman Talk 16:40, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, after a brief scan of your links, her life was definitely fascinating. I'm hip-deep in writing another article, but if someone doesn't tackle it before I can get to it, I'll be glad to give it a go.SusunW (talk) 19:37, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I can pitch in too, but wanted to see if others agree that she seems to be notable. Jehochman Talk 19:55, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Here's what I came up with. Her common name appears to be Miriam Butterworth (and that is the name of the art gallery named after her at Hartford College).1982 is the first mention I find of it. There are tons of articles about her, but these should be sufficient to write a comprehensive biography.1971; 1979; 1981; 1981; 1984; 1985; 1997; and 2002;  and 2008 SusunW (talk) 05:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Linda T. Metcalf
Can anybody help me out here? I deleted this biography (and an associated article on Proprioceptive Writing) per WP:G11, but I think it's possible to write a reasonable encyclopedia article out of it (and I'm happy to put the deleted articles in userspace if it would be helpful). I've made a one sentence stub at Draft:Linda Metcalf confirming her university post (and hence a presumed WP:PROF) but I'm not sure what to do next. If anyone can help, that would be great. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  20:23, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, just tell what her job is or was and what her background is, for a start. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 06:04, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Added a selfpub source with a lot of biog info, but nothing to support notability. Pam  D  07:04, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Anna Whitehead Bodeker—help with finding photo?
I'm planning to move an article on Anna Whitehead Bodeker to the main space this weekend—she led the first attempt to organize for women's suffrage in Virginia *and* helped found the Virginia State Woman Suffrage Association, the first association of its kind in the state. I would love help finding a photo of her to include. She lived between 1826 and 1904 in Richmond, Virginia. Any help you can give would be so appreciated.ScoutHarris (talk) 14:34, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Once again am surprised at how hard Richmond is. Nothing that I could find in newspapers.com, newspaperarchive.com, hathitrust, archive.org or the Library of Congress. Found a picture of her husband, but don't know when it was first published or who took it. There is an article about her in Virginia Cavalcade Volume 43, Number 4, Spring 1994, p 166-. Don't know if you have access to check it, but our resident librarian might be able to find the copy located at UT-El Paso. If there is a photo in that article, you will probably have to upload it as fair use (deceased person), i.e. not to commons to en.WP, unless there is a clear indication of when the photo was first published. SusunW (talk) 17:29, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I also looked in various places, but wasn't able to find anything online. The fact that the Library of Virginia and this video only show her house suggests that there may not be an accessible published portrait. Nick Number (talk) 17:33, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, the only thing I’ve been able to find is that image of her home, but it’s part of the collection at the Virginia Historical Society. Thanks for trying!ScoutHarris (talk) 17:44, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * there is a Wiki editor, who lives in Virginia I believe. They might have access to the Virginia Cavalcade at a library branch near them. So far, I'm not having any luck. :( Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:10, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah good idea. I’m also in Virginia. I’m guessing the Library of Virginia would have it. I can try that route. Thanks. ScoutHarris (talk) 18:24, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * perhaps might know of some options? --Rosiestep (talk) 18:29, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I’ve located a copy at Union Seminary that I believe I can access. Fingers crossed! Thank you!ScoutHarris (talk) 18:40, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * My dissertation was on 19c. Southern white women, and it really wasn't unusual for even a fairly wealthy woman to never have a portrait made or a photograph taken. She might just be one of those. But a picture of her house or her signature, a historical marker or a tombstone, might still be possible.Penny Richards (talk) 18:31, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I’m definitely finding that to be the case! She’s buried at a cemetery here in Richmond, so it might be worth heading over and taking a photo of her tombstone myself. ScoutHarris (talk) 18:41, 20 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Coming in a little late, but hopefully you can find a picture. Something to keep in mind is that it's entirely possible that the LVA may have a picture of her but it hasn't been scanned yet. When I was volunteering for them I was able to see how backlogged they were with digitizing their offerings, so a lot of the stuff gets digitized based on user demand. If there is one you can request it get scanned - they're really good about that. If there's not one it could be a result of the portrait getting lost over time or the family not making it accessible. Families can get a little protective. This book is a great example of that - the family kept the letters private for years because the letters were part of a fairly juicy scandal. Long story short, Sally McDowell divorced her abusive husband (the governor of Maryland) and was expecting to live the rest of her life alone because of the stigma of divorce in those days, only for a local preacher to fall in love with her and ask to marry her. She kept refusing because she was afraid of ruining his career and some of her family members were against the marriage. (She was also from a fairly distinguished family.) Pretty scandalous stuff for the time period, but mundane by ours, but the family kept the letters private for a surprising amount of time. Anywho, couldn't help but recommend that book - it's pretty fascinating. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  14:04, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Criminals?
Have we ever focussed on criminals? Are you're getting a bit jaded of researching and writing about the great and the good? Sugar and spice and all things nice makes for a rather unhealthy and boring diet. Step over to the dark side, cover the notorious and the evil for a change. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 22:53, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh yes we did baddies and we also did spies - great subjects. Victuallers (talk) 23:12, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * How about a Women in Red article collaboration for October on murderers and serial killers? It's Hallowe'en appropriate. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.8% of all FPs 22:45, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, we've done villains and prisoners and spies (not all of them necessarily "baddies", of course). But I hardly ever write about nice, sweet people. I write about women in all their complexity and contexts. Some of them did good things, and might even be admirable in some ways, but I agree with you that a person definitely doesn't have to be nice or good to be notable. Penny Richards (talk) 16:58, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Need photos from Hollywood Cemetery?
If anyone is in need of a photo of a gravestone or grave marker for someone buried in Hollywood Cemetery in Richmond, Virginia, please let me know. I live close by and am happy to help.ScoutHarris (talk) 16:05, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The following women have articles but no photos of their grave markers: Kate Langley Bosher, Ellen Glasgow, Mary Johnston, Elizabeth Monroe, Mary-Cooke Branch Munford, Emma Gilham Page, Cornelia Peake McDonald, Sallie Partington, Julia Gardiner Tyler. Nick Number (talk) 16:41, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks like I've got some photos to take. Once I do, I'll upload them and post on the corresponding talk pages.ScoutHarris (talk) 17:46, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks for taking this on. Nick Number (talk) 18:30, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Historic women in STEM
My summer class just turned in a set of WP drafts. Each one is a bio of a historical woman in a STEM field. Some of them have already passed review, but all of them need clean up from experienced Wikipedians. Can you show these articles some love? Thank you! nonmodernist (talk) 15:31, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Draft:Jean Dollimore
 * Draft:Margaret Hilda Harper was draft now here on Twitter
 * Draft:Clotilde Kate Brewster
 * Draft:Katheryn Emanuel Lawson
 * Draft:Darcy Proper
 * Draft:Mary Hegeler Carus
 * Draft:Ilia Fehrer
 * Draft:Evelyn Brower Man
 * Draft:Ruth Goulding Wood
 * Erna Hamburger
 * Draft:Alice Recoque
 * Draft:Marlene Hazle
 * Draft:Virginia Tucker
 * Draft:Nadeschda Gernet
 * Anne-Marie Staub
 * Draft:Mary Elizabeth Sharpe
 * Draft:Marjorie Devaney
 * Draft:Alice Elizabeth Anderson

Film director
I created Misty Talley and I'm not sure if I found enough to satisfy notability to survive an AfD. SL93 (talk) 05:50, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks pretty good - but I added a WIR template to the talk page to make sure we see it being AfD'd. Victuallers (talk) 09:12, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Green-Wood Cemetery
Following 's lead, if anyone knows of pictures needed from Green-Wood Cemetery in Brooklyn, I'm there pretty often (it's a big bird hotspot). I suspect it's pretty well covered on-wiki already, but just in case... :) &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 17:33, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Here are some candidates: Catharine Lorillard Wolfe, Mary Young Cheney Greeley, Harriet Burton Laidlaw, Louisine Havemeyer, Emma Howson, Mary Corinna Putnam Jacobi, Laura Jean Libbey, Margaret Mitchell (actress), Violet Oakley, Mary White Ovington, Georgiana Wilmerding Phelps, Polly Platt, Emma Marcy Raymond, Alice Hathaway Lee Roosevelt, Julia Sand, Margaret Sanger, Nancy Spero, Emma Stebbins, Mary Elizabeth Tillinghast, Camilla Urso, Caroline Berryman Spencer, Anna Case, Kate Claxton, Mabel Smith Douglass. Nick Number (talk) 18:30, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Based on Green-Wood's article, there's also: Elizabeth Cushier, Georgia Engelhard, Genevieve Hecker, Grace Webster Haddock Hinsdale, Florence La Badie, Lola Montez, Mary Ellis Peltz, Martha Bulloch Roosevelt (has the chapel but not the grave), Clara Harrison Stranahan, Matilda Tone,  and Fanny White. Not sure if any of the graves are on commons and just haven't been added to en wiki. Had some of Nick Number's names on my list too lol. How did you generate your list ? --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 18:40, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I went through Category:Burials at Green-Wood Cemetery and then checked Commons for existing photos. There is one for Florence La Badie. Nick Number (talk) 19:59, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Ahh okay. I updated the category based on my list. Thanks! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:40, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks both. I've cross-referenced this list with the Green-Wood Cemetery database. A few of them were categorized without a citation and are not on the official website. I was able to find a few others based on other names. I created a list with the lots/sections (it's a big place). Here's hoping the heat wave/storms in NY end soon. :) &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 21:28, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * In passing (optional pun) - I heard that the German openstreetmaps are now in such detail that they show individual gravestones and whats written on them. Come someway since was adding QRpedia codes to a US cemetery. Victuallers (talk) 09:50, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The QR code project at Congressional Cemetery is no longer active, but I dug up this at Outreach for anybody who is interested. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 11:12, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

News from Twitter
Really successful editathon in Franklin in Australia. We supplied badges and got a mention in the press. [ Great work by our volunteers down under. Detail at #wikiwomeninred. Oh and there is another editathon in Edinburgh and Nigeria tomorrow and I'm off to visit the Pankhurst Centre in Manchester, and its closed! But they are opening it for Women in Red!!! More new should follow. Victuallers (talk) 09:18, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * A different article about this event in the Sydney Morning Herald. -Yupik (talk) 21:35, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * And another article from the ABC: Australian researchers join global movement to improve visibility of women in STEM RebeccaGreen (talk) 05:03, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Doris Fuchs (scientist)
There is a BLP of a German woman scientist, Doris Fuchs (scientist) that was marked for speedy deletion. While the article definitely needs work, and citations, I google-scholared her and noticed she has an h-index of 24, as seen here. (And a Citation score of 3253.) I'm not very familiar with the h-index system, and all that it implies, however, Hirsch cites that an H=20 is a "successful scientist". I am wanting to learn more about this evaluation index, and so I am pinging (since they have quoted from it on occasion) and am sending a call out to other WIR participants for their input. I am thinking I may be able save this article on a woman scientist if she is indeed notable, and if I try to improve the article. Also, I don't have any experience contesting a speedy deletion, and if there is anything I should know, I'd appreciate it. It does not seem like there is the same sort of discussion as there is in AfD. Thanks in advance! Netherzone (talk) 15:50, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * If it went to AfD it would be a definite keep based on GS citations. I recall the Donna Strickland affair. I don't know how to deal with speedy deletions. I note that the nominator has been on a deletion spree: I have not looked at the others. Xxanthippe (talk) 05:26, 27 July 2019 (UTC).

Template for adding content from a different language Wiki
I've found a bio in En-Wikipedia that could be enlarged by translation from the De-Wikipedia (German) article. What's the template that one can add at the top to encourage other editors to translate and add content? I've seen it in the past but can't remember or find it through the Wikipedia Help. Oronsay (talk) 21:43, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * In this instance, it would be Template:Expand German. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 22:13, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. 8.15 am and I've already learnt something new today! Oronsay (talk) 22:18, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Del Martin
Del Martin should be removed from the list at WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Missing_articles_by_occupation/Journalists because she is listed in a joint article with her spouse at Del Martin and Phyllis Lyon. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 06:25, 27 July 2019 (UTC)


 * This list is compiled automatically from Wikidata. Not only is there a separate entry for her there but if you click on Q445893, you will see she has biographies in four other languages, including lengthy coverage in German. The Wikidata entry correctly identifies her as "part of" Del Martin and Phyllis Lyon. Although the article Del Martin and Phyllis Lyon seems well developed, there may be a case for writing a separate biography of her in English too. There could possibly also be an article on Phyllis Lyon. I suppose it all depends on how much additional detail can be included about their separate achievements rather than on their joint relationship.--Ipigott (talk) 09:27, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Get featured in the On this day/Selected anniversaries section of the Main Page
If you would like an article you created to be featured on the Main Page, please be sure it appears on the articles on days in the year (like August 1, August 2, etc.). For example, if I create an article on Frida Kahlo, I would ensure she appears on July 6 (birth), July 13 (death), and November 1 (date of first solo exhibition). This ensures that the articles gets at least three chances to be selected for this section, because articles on days of the year is what we use to select articles to feature for "On this day" section of the Main Page. I favor GA's and FA's but really any article would be acceptable as long as it is well sourced. I have been making an effort to include more women. It would be very help to remind everyone to include links to new articles on a few relevant days of the year articles. --- Coffee  and crumbs  00:34, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Here is an example. The new article Alice Elizabeth Anderson should have a link from both June 8 and September 17. For more prominent historical figures, you can select one more major event in their life and write a blurb to add to the relevant day's article. If this is done, they would have a chance to be featured next year and perhaps once every few years forever. --- Coffee  and crumbs  00:44, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reminder, . Indeed, let's remember to link "Anniversaries". BTW, we've been talking about facilitating a Linkage+Findability event but haven't firmed it up; need someone to take the lead in developing it. --Rosiestep (talk) 06:15, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

WHGI
Does anyone know when WHGI will be updating? It's currently a week behind, while Denelezh has the overall percent at 17.904% as of 22 July. Almost at 18% :D --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 18:37, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * WHGI is usually updated on Monday, with the data from the previous week (as Wikidata dumps are usually available on Tuesday). Max can probably help if there is a problem. About Denelezh, it will not be updated next week for technical reason (it will be the following weeks). — Envlh (talk) 20:50, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * what day do you normally start parsing the Wikidata dumps then, on Tuesday or Wednesday? I haven't changed the update schedule of WHGI since 2014, so Wikidata schedules have probably changed.  do you want me to change the day of week of the update? Maximilianklein (talk) 22:23, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * WHGI didn't update last week, fwiw. I think that's the main puzzle. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:40, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I had been used to seeing WHGI updates every Monday morning European time but recently they seem to have come later on Monday or even on Tuesday. To me, it doesn't much matter which day they come although I think several of our participants appreciate weekly updates. Perhaps you could look into why it didn't run last week and make sure we have something to report by this time tomorrow. Thanks for all your efforts and for extending coverage to include Wales and many other language versions.--Ipigott (talk) 06:00, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Denelezh is updated manually, for two reasons:
 * I never had the time to finish the automation;
 * while Wikidata dumps are often available on Tuesday, it's not always the case (for instance, the "holes" in June and July are due to a lot of problems in dumps generation lately, all available dumps were imported into Denelezh). I basically check this page on Tuesday evening or Wednesday, and then manually start the import (that is then completely automatic).
 * As the dump can be generated on various days of the week, Denelezh displays the date of the dump, and does not try to provide week-to-week changes on a fixed day (the graph of evolution normalizes the changes between two dumps to 7 days, that the dumps were generated 3 or 10 days apart). — Envlh (talk) 11:35, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Elizabeth Henneman
Came across this lassie while trying to verify a draft. She is an Associate Professor in nursing at UMass Amherst, wherever that is and she has been very busy and could do with an article. I know it is molehill on the side of a mountain, but she is very smart.  scope_creep Talk  21:46, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Just from looking at https://www.bing.com/search?q=Elizabeth+Henneman+UMass+Amherst&PC=U316&FORM=CHROMN, it seems she is not yet WP:Notable. Do you have other sources? BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:53, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * No doubt very smart, but with six papers and 48 citations she is nowhere near satisfying WP:Prof: so WP:Too soon. Xxanthippe (talk) 06:26, 27 July 2019 (UTC).
 * , Is this same women your looking at: Google scholar at  has her at h-index at 33 and 3752 citations. I think those profiles may out of date.   scope_creep Talk  11:38, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * You are right about that. Xxanthippe (talk) 11:56, 29 July 2019 (UTC).

Dr Pamela J Hawthorn
This is another lady who is notable and needs an article. Pamela J Hawthorn wrote a seminal report in 1974 in the UK called Nurse, I want my mummy! [], that redefined pediatric nursing. The report started to change UK and eventually worldwide attitudes and practices of not allowing parents to spend time with their ill children. She is referenced in the Platt Report 1959 article.  scope_creep Talk  12:19, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

RonBot #11 now GaloBot 4
As I noted above, I requested a clone of RonBot #11, which has not run for over 3 months. responded to my request, and has rewritten the bot and requested approval to run it at Bots/Requests for approval/Galobot 4. The bot was approved for trial (1 full run) on 24 July, so hopefully we will soon have declined drafts of biographies of women being regularly updated again, as GaloBot 4. Many thanks, Galobtter! RebeccaGreen (talk) 02:23, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * , you and others can see the output of the trial at WikiProject Women in Red/Drafts. If there are any issues with the output, let me know. Galobtter (pingó mió) 03:12, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I moved Cristina Sánchez-Andrade into article space - it needs work, though, and I don't speak Spanish. Anyone fancy a go at it? -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 04:30, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Great work. We lose a lot of useful editors IMO be turning down their efforts without more encouragement. When its going then tweeting the list #wikiwomeninred may find some white knights to come in and help. Thanks Victuallers (talk) 09:09, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Potential article candidate for you. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:29, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've completed the translation. Nick Number (talk) 04:59, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Another for you, if you like: I just moved Paloma Villegas into mainspace. She meets the notability standard; the declension was a matter of following the reference guidelines. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 19:01, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It looks like that one is already almost identical to its Spanish counterpart. It doubtless could be expanded, but at the moment I'm prioritizing translations where the original articles are fairly detailed and have good sourcing. Nick Number (talk) 19:16, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Not to hijack this thread, but if you're looking for Spanish articles to translate, there are quite a few on my redlink list and there's plenty more in the same cats on es-wiki. Bonus: next month is Indigenous WIR. And please feel free to add to the list! -Yupik (talk) 07:08, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, but I think I'm good for now. My Translations To Do bookmarks folder has...225 entries right now. I also tend to sift the Wikidata redlink lists for the monthly themes. It will be a long while before I'm out of material. Nick Number (talk) 19:15, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I hear you; that's why I started that list :D -Yupik (talk) 20:34, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * That said, I did translate the Biography section and add a few details. Nick Number (talk) 19:27, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd like to ask project members if there are any issues with the page, or if things are working as intended. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 05:01, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks. I promise I won't send any more your way. :-) -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 19:42, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It's not beyond the realm of possibility that I would accept further suggestions. Just prepare yourself for a cascading level of whinging. Nick Number (talk) 00:11, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Task was approved, so WikiProject Women in Red/Drafts should be updated every Wednesday. Galobtter (pingó mió) 23:38, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * "Cascading level of whinging" - I'd like to borrow this for the office, if you don't mind... -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 02:14, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Go for it. You may want to switch to kvetching, depending on the demographics. Nick Number (talk) 06:41, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * , thank you very much! I have very much enjoyed looking through the list of names. I notice that it does pick up a few male biographies (as did RonBot #11) - this is not a big deal, but I wondered whether it would help to refine it if we notify you of them? or should we just delete any we notice?
 * PS Could any further discussion of Spanish translations perhaps move to another thread? It's got a bit hard to see what is about the declined drafts bot here. RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:43, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * , you can give me a list of few of the male biographies (I did spot one while looking through it) and I'll let you know if I can refine it to not pick up those while not causing false negatives. Galobtter (pingó mió) 21:05, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Tanya Muzinda
Not sure if she meets notability, but she might. Has a Wikidata item already (Q65935015) for some reason. -Yupik (talk) 07:58, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

August's Indigenous Women event and the REDress Project
Would anyone be interested in writing an article about the REDress Project and/or its creater Jaime Black for the August event on indigenous women? I'm not sure I could write an article about it that wouldn't get AfD'd right away. With luck, some of the photos I took at Riddu Riđđu of the Buffy Sainte-Marie-Tanya Tagaq-Maxida Märak concert will be sharp enough to be useable since the red dress was prominently displayed on stage then. Thanks! -Yupik (talk) 01:21, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * On a side note, we've uploaded some photos already and will be uploading more to this cat on Commons. -Yupik (talk) 01:38, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * That's really not bad. Don't think it'd pass at WP:FPC, but that's more down to quality-of-camera issues than anything you did. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.8% of all FPs 02:33, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Any and all recommendations and suggestions on where to start improving are greatly appreciated since I have no background in photography, particularly since I'm often in a position to take photos of subjects that we might not have photos for yet. Yupik (talk) 12:42, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Honestly, you're better asking Rhododendrites, who is a much better photographer than me. I'm more of a restorationist of older photos. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.8% of all FPs 18:46, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the vote of confidence, Adam. :) I'm far from a pro, but happy to share what I've learned in the course of trying to take good pictures for Commons. I think in general it's quite a good shot. I think the issue is less your equipment and more that concert photography is really challenging for anyone. It's usually dark, people are often moving, it can be hard to hold the camera still, and did I mention how it's usually dark and they're always moving? :) From a technical standpoint, the biggest problem here is probably the 1/40 shutter speed IMO. At that speed, you really need to have a pretty static subject, so it would be practically impossible to get this subject very sharp at that speed. Would be better to increase ISO and keep speed a bit faster. Higher ISO will introduce noise, but you can fix some of that in post-processing. If your lens allows it, you could also open the aperture more (use a lower number than f/5.6), which lets more light in, but makes for a narrower depth of field (so you'd need to be careful to ensure you're focusing on the subject and not, say, on the microphone or background). The red dress is indeed kind of distracting, but there's not much to be done about that. :) Just to clarify, this feedback is because of the above request for feedback. This is absolutely good enough/sharp enough to use in a Wikipedia article. Thanks for uploading it! &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 19:05, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Aye. They're DEFINITELY good enough for articles, and a lot of other uses. This is more how to get to featured picture status. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.8% of all FPs 19:41, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * This is brilliant, thanks! The suggestions helped me figure out what I need to be looking at whereas before I was just lost as to what to do. I think I might go out practicing shooting in low light this week in general to figure that out first and then maybe I'll be ready for the next concert. -Yupik (talk) 22:24, 22 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Happy to try to write something on the project as I can see some obvious sources that meet the need for media coverage. I’m less sure about the BLP side of things. As ever, I’ll appreciate some help with the wikidata side of things and will bring it back here when I think it’s ready for livespace. Moira Paul (talk) 22:17, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! I should be able to help out with the Wikidata side if there's any problems. -
 * The project itself has plenty of coverage so that page should be straightforward. There's very little coverage of Jaime Black apart from in relation to the project, so any article is liable to be a stub. I'll prioritise the project as if that passes notability then a biog stub is more likely to survive. Moira Paul (talk) 10:38, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Wonderful, thanks! -Yupik (talk) 21:30, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It's still a work in progress, as there is more I can add before I cast it out into live space, but here's the draft to date: User:Moira Paul/REDress Project. It has a couple of redlink names in it, should anyone want to track down those names and do them in August.Moira Paul (talk) 22:38, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

WiR priorities for August
As and  don't appear to have time to distribute the invitation to our three outreach lists, can anyone else help? I used to do it manually but there are now far too many names.--Ipigott (talk) 06:24, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I have a layover in Frankfurt for another hour or so and will do it now. Sorry; was not paying attention that it hadn't gone out yet. --Rosiestep (talk) 06:40, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Seem to have caught you at just the right time. Enjoy your flight.--Ipigott (talk) 07:52, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi - I added in, then commented out the cookie-cutter sections for August on Suffrage and 1day1woman pages. I will un-comment them (is that a thing?) tomorrow night. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:23, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry I've been offline. Things were a little busy for me. Thanks for helping, ! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:49, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject Women in Red/Article alerts update
As a heads up, the alerts will now report proposals for mergers and splits, as well as AFC submissions. There's a bit of a backlog, but now you have a way to track it!

This will also apply to other alert reports, like WikiProject Women/Article alerts, which might catch more. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 02:06, 31 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Very cool, . I like dealing with Merge and Split requests so will keep a closer eye on this. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:25, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * For those who enjoy copyediting... I just handled the Merge request regarding Harriet Browne (dancer), but did not do the subsequent copyedit. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:25, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Nadeschda Gernet
An article on the Russian mathematician Nadeschda Gernet was just recently moved from Draft to Main space. I had done a bit of smoothing-out just prior to that, but it could stand another round of scrutiny. In particular, I'm wondering if the degree listed as a "master's" was really a habilitation (it might have been translated incorrectly from a statement that used a false friend with the older "license to teach" meaning?). XOR&#39;easter (talk) 13:35, 31 July 2019 (UTC)


 * My Russian is pretty rusty but from this (see for example the Google translation) it looks as if she is remembered for being the second woman mathematician to obtain a degree from a Russian university, in this case a master's degree from Moscow University. Maybe she also gained fame for her doctorate in Göttingen but this needs to be substantiated. Someone needs to look into it all more carefully. There is a more extensive, nicely illustrated biography of Gernet here. To answer your query, the Russian certainly refers to a master's degree rather than to a teaching diploma.--Ipigott (talk) 08:39, 1 August 2019 (UTC)


 * I think I've taken care of some of the problems but the article could still be considerably expanded.--Ipigott (talk) 10:17, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Thea Hunter
Sources may be sufficient now to write an article. See https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/04/adjunct-professors-higher-education-thea-hunter/586168/ Nemo 14:33, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Lucía Pineda Ubau
Lucía Pineda Ubau ihas won the CPJ International Press Freedom Award can be expanded from Spanish article.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 01:29, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Need help on an Estonian artist, getting sources for travels
I may have bitten off more than I can chew here, but I have most of a biography for Valli Lember-Bogatkina in my sandbox

Where I'm stuck is in getting to the sources for her working art travels for the government. There are references to a journal she kept, and a snippet view of a book/journal with a profile of her middle life. Can I publish the page as is, or should I wait for more access? Natalie Bueno Vásqueƶ 04:54, 31 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I fixed a couple of minor things, but other than that it looks good to go! -Yupik (talk) 13:03, 31 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much! Natalie Bueno Vásqueƶ 19:16, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Marian Sulzberger Heiskell
I was reading a little while ago about the Sulzberger family that controls the New York Times. It struck me that we have articles for all the male publishers from that family, but almost none on the women in the family. Here is Marian Sulzberger Heiskell, who is full of achievements, in case anyone would like to improve it. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 23:29, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks good, but is she incorrectly "Miriam" in her father's infobox? I've added Talk page and Wikidata item. Oronsay (talk) 23:52, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Good catch, corrected.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 23:59, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Anyone good with Flickr2Commons?
I've had no problem in the past uploading stuff through this tool, but today I haven't managed to get these two pics uploaded. They're CC-BY-2.0 so they're good to go. The photos have all three presidents of the Saami Parliaments and the red-linked Karin Tuolja who won the Gollegiella Award in 2018 with another red-linked Saami woman Jekaterina Mechkina, so they should be useable in multiple articles. Thanks for any and all help! -Yupik (talk) 01:12, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * These things break all the time, to be honest. Try in a few hours. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.9% of all FPs 01:23, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * It's also not the most forgiving tool, so I'm never sure if it's broke or I'm screwing something up :D (A third pic could also be uploaded. This is a pic of Katri Jefremoff who is redlinked on my list.) -Yupik (talk) 01:34, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I've uploaded them at File:Vinnere av den nordiske språkprisen Gollegiella for 2018. (45145995715).jpg, File:Vinnere av den nordiske språkprisen Gollegiella for 2018 (45145991075).jpg, and File:Skolt Sami lady in Nellim church (7365787382).jpg. I leave categorization and such to you. :-) -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 03:00, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * You're wonderful, thanks! :) -Yupik (talk) 03:09, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Any time. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 03:11, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Like a little kid, I'm also using our newly gained ability to summarize the photos in the Saami languages! -Yupik (talk) 03:23, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Goodness - I didn't realize that was even an option. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 03:30, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Only three more to go! (Apparently I have to update that table asap :)) -Yupik (talk) 03:41, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Sports edit-a-thon banner
Hello. Could the Sports edit-a-thon banner be updated to reflect that this editathon was held in July and August 2019? It currently only says July. Thanks! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:03, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I think I have updated the pages and template to show that Sports is still going on, as requested. Let me know if it still needs revision. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:23, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. But what I meant was the Talk page banners i.e. Talk:Penny Grice-Whittaker. As i made her this month, i'd would like the banner to show that the editathon was held both months. I don't think having a separate banner for August would be needed (maybe?) --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:34, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * That'll be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_63#Invalid_time_error ... Template:WIR-126 doesn't seem to be able to cope with a month range. was minded, in  July, to change it to August in August. As it were. Not entirely satisfactory. Perhaps  could advise: how do we make Template:WIR cope with a date of 'July to August 2019'? Right now all attempts,  end up with article talk pages which use WIR-126 sporting an error message. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:26, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * What's wrong with July–August 2019? I don't see the error? &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:33, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Category:WikiProject Women in Red Error: Invalid time. articles on Talk:Penny Grice-Whittaker. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:36, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah I see. Give me a second and I'll fix that. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:38, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * . &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * That's excellent; thanks . --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:45, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * No worries. Always feel free to ping me when there's something weird going on with the banners. Or that you want them to do something new. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:55, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Even better Thanks! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 15:20, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Jeanne Laisné (soprano)
Well! My article finally hit the main page. Left out the image, which was disappointing, but still, it got (sigh) 666 views yesterday, which I'm pretty sure doesn't prove opera is evil. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.9% of all FPs 01:22, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Only 666? Pleurez, pleurez mes yeux... (yes, I know she sang Sophie and not Charlotte. So sue me.) -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 03:01, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * ...That's Chimène's aria from Le Cid. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.8% of all FPs 00:17, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Crap...I was thinking of Va! laisse couler mes larmes instead. 'S what I get for not checking my sources... -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 02:29, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Biography about woman academic needs more watchers
Crystal Marie Fleming is a relatively new article about a woman academic that doesn't have a lot of watchers and probably could use some significant beefing up, because it's susceptible to additions that give undue weight to specific incidents when the rest of her academic/writing/commentary career isn't well documented. I have no opinion on the notability of the subject, I'd just like to get some more eyes on the article. Risker (talk) 01:44, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Her citations on GS do seem to be very slender at present. Xxanthippe (talk) 03:45, 7 August 2019 (UTC).

Flag icon for indigenous peoples
I've translated several articles about Norwegian Sámi women for the indigenous women event. In the Outcomes section, next to their name, I'd like to include the icons for the Sámi flag and the Norwegian flag, but can't sort out how to add the Sámi flag. It applies to these biographies: Karen Anette Anti, Annelise Josefsen, Aino Hivand, Hanne Grete Einarsen, and Anne-Grethe Leine Bientie. If anyone can sort it out, thanks. BTW and FYI:. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:41, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm in the same boat with the Kiowa Tribe of Oklahoma's flag, images here and here. Seems to me it is not just a matter of uploading an image, not sure how that is done as I don't know the rules for symbols, but also creating a template, which I have no idea how to do. It's for Keri Ataumbi. Thanks! SusunW (talk) 20:49, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * so I figured out how to create the template for a flag icon, and did so for Quechua and Sami. If someone can upload the Kiowa flag image into Commons (maybe ?), I'd be glad to create the Kiowa flag icon. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:19, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Woo Hoo . All that was above my paygrade :) so I'm glad you at least figured out part of it. SusunW (talk) 21:22, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you were able to create the Sami flag icon. I tried the normal flagicon template but it doesn't work. How do you do it?--Ipigott (talk) 13:48, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I now see it's "flagicon|Sámi people". But how do others find it?--Ipigott (talk) 13:52, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * , I don't know why, but they auto-populate this category: . BTW, as there was a flag icon in the Outcomes section for Hopi Reservation (Patty Talahongva's biography), I used its flag template, Country data Hopi Reservation, as a go-by to create Country data Quechua people, Country data Sámi people, and Country data Zapotec civilization. I'm hopeful I did the process correctly, but mostly, I was just being bold in creating them. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:17, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm still totally confused how to do this, and have completed the Bio for Sandy Fife Wilson. She needs the flagicon for the Muskogee (Creek) Nation, which is shown here Native American Flags: Oklahoma, but I cannot figure out how to make the image work as an icon. SusunW (talk) 21:15, 3 August 2019 (UTC)


 * : Thanks to Rosie, I've learnt how to create these.--Ipigott (talk) 09:35, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * --Rosiestep (talk) 13:08, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Yay! :) I am pumped you and figured this out, except that isn't their image. I grew up in the area and their flag is white. It's pretty confusing as there are images on the commons page that are marked as Muscogee (Creek) but are not. The Smithsonian has one. There are two versions sold on line, one  uses the spelling Muskogee and the other uses the the "C" spelling. You can see the version with the "c" is the one the tribe actually uses now in this 2019 press release. The version we have on commons is the older "k" versionof the Muscogee Nation.png
 * Then there is this, which are wrongly identified in Commons and should be renamed as State of Muskogee (Florida) with a "K". The flag you used to create the template indicates it was the Civil War Confederate flag of the Creek Nation, but I can find no reference for it? I was able to change the image on the template, but it needs to be renamed to Muscogee (Creek) Nation.
 * I am sure you did not intend to open this can of worms,, but I am happy you did so it can be fixed. We really need someone who works a lot with commons to sort all this out and properly rename these various flag images. We need to correct our flag image on the Muscogee Nation to the version they are presently using and I still need the Kiowa flag image to be uploaded. SusunW (talk) 14:59, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * As you say, it's quite a can of worms. I'm not at all sure I'm competent to make all the changes you think we need. Have you any contacts who are sufficiently interested to carry out the work?--Ipigott (talk) 15:33, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Wehope was my goto person on Commons, but she has retired. I know I don't know how to do it, but maybe I can figure it out if someone else doesn't come to our rescue. :) SusunW (talk) 15:47, 4 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Is this any better?
 * Perfect! SusunW (talk) 14:49, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I managed to put page move rationales on the other 3 images, so hopefully someone will actually rename them so it is not as confusing. SusunW (talk) 15:36, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Kiowa

 * I've found this for Kiowa. It's not a very good image but I could no doubt make a usable flag icon from it. As I don't want to make any more mistakes, please let me know first if it's the right one. Are there any other tribes which need to be covered?--Ipigott (talk) 13:26, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you Ian! That is the correct image. The flag background is blue, i.e. like here . There are tons of them. At the end of the removal process there were over 77 tribes in Oklahoma alone and you can see from that link I showed before on all the tribal flags, there are only about a dozen with images there. SusunW (talk) 14:48, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The problem here is that the flag with a blue background is not on Commons. I see there is a very good image here with a contact number. If you are really keen to have it on Commons, perhaps the first step would be to have it released under a suitable licence. Ditto for most of the flags of the other tribes. Looks as if it could be a useful assignment for an intern or a student specializing in the field.--Ipigott (talk) 06:14, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Alerting to this conversation as he deals with training organizations on how to upload their images to Commons. He may have some pointers on how to proceed. --Rosiestep (talk) 12:53, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * One of the problems here may not just be getting permission, but also then convincing commons that you represent the tribe. OTRS is one solution but too slow for me. I would suggest that the tribe add a cc by sa statement to their website. Victuallers (talk) 07:40, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Choctaw
, I need the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma flag, which appears at the top of the article, but has no flagicon, for Valjean McCarty Hessing, please and thank you! SusunW (talk) 23:29, 6 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Done.--Ipigott (talk) 08:13, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you Ian! SusunW (talk) 13:52, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Samantha Yammine
I'd welcome second opinions about the issues raised at Talk:Samantha Yammine. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 16:16, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Particularly now that an IP editor is wanting to edit-war over it... And is making downright odd changes like removing the "Living people" category. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 20:10, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd say you've just been hit by someone with an agenda of their own (whatever it is). That IP's other edits should be gone through and reviewed too. -Yupik (talk) 21:07, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Sophie Drinker Institut
The Institut has a biographical database of articles about women musicians of the 18th and 19th century: https://www.sophie-drinker-institut.de/lexikon

If I understand the German correctly (and I quite likely do not), there are around 750 biographies here; cursory research has indicated that a lot of the subjects do not currently have articles in the English Wikipedia, though some do in other languages. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:44, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I think you would be definetly interested in this. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 14:13, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * yes, I am, thank you --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:38, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Help with my first page: sources and neutral tone
Hi this is my first time writing on a talk page! Apologies if I am doing it wrong. I've made some edits in the past, but recently tried to create my first page Draft:Shannon Liss-Riordan. Very notable labor attorney/feminist widely covered in the news over the last decade, now a political candidate. My first try was declined and I've done more editing - I would love if someone can take a look and try to improve on it. I've also been unable to understand/find a non-free image. Shanmcf (talk) 20:22, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * , I am sorry, I have not had time to circle back yet. Possibly can take a look at it? If not, by Monday, I should be able to shake free of other obligations. SusunW (talk) 21:17, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I can take a look at it probably tommorow and maybe by mobile tonight. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:19, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for offering to take a look at this page - I've been learning a lot trying to create my first page from scratch. Enjoying adding to other Women in Red pages and appreciate seeing other's edits and improvements. Shanmcf (talk) 12:51, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I looked over the bio and I don't see any problems with neutrality, personally. Susun, would you mind taking a look to see if I missed anything? Also, Shanmcf, don't forget to sign your posts with ~ . :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:34, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I think you should downplay her candidacy and play up her co-founding the firm. I've read it somewheres that candidates are not notable because they are candidates, which makes sense to me so that people don't exploit the platform for political agendas. I feel like you've explained the Uber case, but not the FedEx of Starbucks ones so you could expand the article in that regard. I see the firm's website lists her recognitions. I think it'd be good to list these, especially if you can find a WP:RS for them. Welcome to WiR and hope these suggestions help! Fred (talk) 00:19, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I was confused because an editor cut out the parts I had about FedEx, Starbucks, and American Airlines. I can try again on those ones, to keep them more encyclopedic.Shanmcf (talk) 12:51, 5 August 2019 (UTC)


 * The AFC submission was turned down for a) not being encyclopedic in tone and b) not having enough in-depth coverage. As for a), I gave the into quotes a trim and rearranged some material so I think it is OK. There is still a problem with excessive citations, which perhaps a skilled copy editor could fix. As for b), I think items like this Wall Street Journal profile are in-depth coverage. Perhaps a copy editor would like to work on the article a tad and push it to mainspace?ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:13, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Shanmcf I had a look at the draft, and it looks great! There were a few minor things to think about changing. Reference #3 has a citation error flag (ModernLuxury) - you could enter that one again. The second paragraph of the Early life section uses passive language, a change like: "In 1992 she coordinated a seminar at...." is more active. Lastly, in the Career section there are two places with long lists of citations. Some editors find this annoying for some reason. See WP:CITEBOMB. You may want to develop this section adding some content on the various companies and suits rather than grouping them together. Just a thought... Netherzone (talk) 01:20, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the tips here! I was confused becuase I'd originally broken out notable cases like the restaurants, Starbucks, FedEx, and American Airlines, which an editor then cut out (except the opening about startups and paragraph about Uber). I then tried to add them back in as a group instead, since besides the independent contractor lawsuits, I thought the cases about tips/wages confiscated by employers are the other notable labor cases. Shanmcf (talk) 12:51, 5 August 2019 (UTC)


 * I've just had a look at this one. It looks to me as if it should be moved to mainspace but someone might object to the fact that she's still a candidate and not yet elected. Nevertheless, given the extensive string of sources, she seems notable enough for her achievements to date.--Ipigott (talk) 13:43, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Shanmcf - I understand your perspective on the notable cases in the Career section, they are important. Do you mind if I take a stab at turning the first sentence of the Career section into two sentences, and integrating the citations into the text a little differently? You can always undo my edit. Either way, I think it is strong and will pass in article space. Netherzone (talk) 14:16, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I just smoothed out the text in the early life section and rearranged it for better chronological flow. I concur that it looks as if it is fine in mainspace, IF you remove that sentence in the lede that she is running for office. That will be a problem and could lead to a deletion nomination. She is not notable as a candidate, instead she is notable for her activism and cases, which should be stressed in the lede. Overall, great job. For future reference, avoid sending articles to AFC (Articles for Creation), they fare better if you post the draft links here. SusunW (talk) 15:43, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks again Netherzone SusunW, please feel free to take a stab at additional edits. Makes sense about the legal work v candidate. It's challenging to know what editors do/don't want - she was also a big part of the Upper Crust Pizzeria case which I wrote a few sentences about and then that got removed from a draft too. Shanmcf (talk) 16:13, 5 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Good to see it's finally made it to mainspace. Hope to see many more . Please let us know if you need further assistance. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 09:49, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Mary E. Eaton
I was tweaking the article on Mary E. Eaton and noticed that the only reference lists her as "Mary E. Eato". It seems to me the page should be moved to Mary E. Eato and reorganized to indicate that Ms. Eato was sometimes AKA "Eaton". Could I get a second opinion on this? Also does she meet notability standards? Thanks to any volunteers taking a look at this. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:01, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Mary E. Eaton fwiw. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:06, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I've just searched in Newspapers.com, and found about a dozen results for "Mary E. Eato", from 1891 to 1926, including her graduation and death notice (those after her death are her students' reminiscences). There are other results in books with the spelling Eato, too. (I'll add useful refs to the article.) I also think the page should be moved to Eato, with aka Eaton. RebeccaGreen (talk) 17:51, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * With 's edits, the page has been moved to Mary E. Eato. Thanks for taking a look. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:33, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Pauline Adams
Any criticism is appreciated. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.8% of all FPs 03:40, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Well, it's nominated now.

DYK article alerts?
It's not clear to me how WikiProject Women in Red/Article alerts is supposed to work. I nominated Dorothy Olsen for DYK a few days ago. I was sort of expecting it to show up on the alert list, but it's not. Is there something I needed to do in the nomination to make it show up? The article is in Category:Women Airforce Service Pilots, which rolls up to Category:Women. Is that not enough? -- RoySmith (talk) 12:32, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 * You have to tag the talk page of the articles with the project's banner. Right now, it has WikiProject Biography, WikiProject Oregon, WikiProject Military history, so it will show in the alerts of those projects. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 12:40, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note that if you add WikiProject Women, it will show in WikiProject Women/Article alerts, not WikiProject Women in Red/Article alerts (those alerts are based on the WIR banners). This is why most people interested in women articles beyond WIR should watch WikiProject Women/Article alerts instead of / in addition to WikiProject Women in Red/Article alerts. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 12:45, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Early August FP report
So, the Sarah Bernhardt, Sally Ride, and Lillian Ascough images all passed. Also:



No current ones at the moment; I've been slowed down a bit by working through an image I said I'd restore, which proved difficult, and, while it does contain a woman, Edith Keteltas Wetmore redirects to her husband, so probably not in our wheelhouse.

Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.8% of all FPs 01:58, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I knew that name sounded familiar; I started an article about their daughter Maude A. K. Wetmore last month. Penny Richards (talk) 13:52, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I was eyeing her, but the LoC (the most likely resource for photos of her) is down until Monday. Remind me to check. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.8% of all FPs 15:59, 11 August 2019 (UTC)