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Teletype

Teletype did not make an ASR 33.

Wa3frp (talk) 16:31, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Model 33 ASR. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 16:32, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

USC&GS file move

I think if you went to the trouble of renaming the file, you might have renamed it to the name the org had in 1932, not its current name. Just a passing thought. It looks like I could do another move myself, I see that at the top of the screen, but I won't since you didn't, choosing to somehow request someone else to do it instead. ―Mandruss ☎ 20:03, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

I did it that way because that is the name of the Wikipedia article. It may have been the wrong thing to do. I don't know. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 20:52, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Answering previous questions

Just a couple of comments on your WT:NRHP questions from two weeks ago:

  1. Address restricted sites: indeed, many of them are silly. For example, Angel Mounds is one of the premier tourist attractions for Evansville, Indiana, and the Kincaid Site is well marked as one of few tourist attractions in its section of rural far southern Illinois, and both of them have a status comparable to state parks, but both of them are still AR. This designation obviously predates those newfangled "website" things; both sites have official websites with directions.
  2. Destroyed and formerly-listed sites: these often don't match each other. I've found tons of destroyed sites in Ohio that aren't delisted yet (Holy Rosary Catholic Church was destroyed almost forty years ago!), and locations are sometimes removed without being destroyed, because non-destructive changes have still ruined the historic fabric of the location. See Colorado's Bear Lake Ranger Station for an example; they delisted it less than a month after I was there, so it's not as if it got destroyed after I took the picture. Nyttend (talk) 01:13, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
I've only been in the NRHP project for a few months, so I don't know their policy. But I'm wondering if things that no longer exist should be delisted. They were historic at one time and someone in the project said that it was OK to take a picture of where it was. Some things I've done like that are a bend in the river that was an archelogical site a few decades ago (with nothing to show) and some plantations where nothing is left but the land. But I don't know what the policy is. Ebyabe has gotten several delisted. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:43, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
PS - I go pretty near Angel Mounds when we drive to visit my in-laws. We need to stop there sometime. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:50, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Just noticed this now, since I was coming here in response to something you said about checkuser policy; apparently you're not the same person as Bbb23 :-) Things that no longer exist indeed should be delisted, but "should" and "are" are different things. It all depends on the SHPO, since some are just a lot better at this than others are. Ohio's SHPO simply doesn't care; I contacted them some years ago about the Lockington Covered Bridge, which burned in 1989, and their response was essentially "we decided that there wasn't really any reason to have it delisted". Pennsylvania's might be better, but I don't know; I just know that many western PA bridges (e.g. the Bridge in East Fallowfield Township and four others in the same county) were removed years ago, and local or state officials even placed historical markers commemorating them, but they've not yet been delisted. Conversely, Indiana's SHPO is much better; the Hite-Finney House was delisted in 2012, no more than four years after it was demolished (run a Google search for "city of Martinsville wants to tear down"), and The Chadwick (Indianapolis) was demolished quickly after a fire in January 2011 and delisted just two months later. Nyttend (talk) 21:15, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
PS, three things. (1) One big reason I contribute photos to Wikipedia and Commons is to provide a small kind of visual preservation in case buildings get destroyed. While it was sad to see that the Chadwick had burnt and been destroyed, I was thankful to see the news story using my picture (and it's also used by the SHPO's website), thankful to see that it indeed was doing more than just improving a Wikipedia article. (2) See the "Former listings" section of National Register of Historic Places listings in Center Township, Marion County, Indiana. Having images of the sites where destroyed buildings once sat is indeed helpful, whether or not they've been delisted yet; they can be used in articles to illustrate what the site now looks like, and they're solid evidence that the building has been destroyed. The latter is particularly important for still-listed sites; when I was in Philadelphia last spring, just trying to get photos of as many sites as possible, I really appreciated photos that Smallbones added for the demolished-but-still-listed sites. Images like File:NE corner Pine and Quince.JPG helped me realise that (1) yes, the building really is gone, and (2) yes, I did get a photo of the right site. Nyttend (talk) 21:26, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
I don't know what the NRHP policy should be. They were historic when they existed. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 21:20, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Telfair County

I was just reading the text and looking at the map of the National Register of Historic Places official document for the Telfair County Courthouse and Jail [1]. I wish I had read it before I had gotten my photo of the courthouse. According to the map and description, the Jail is just East of courthouse, the building with 4 chimneys in this Google Street View picture [2], you didn't happen to take a photo of this building also, did you? Photos of both buildings will be needed for an article on the Telfair County Courthouse and Jail as they were both nominated together. I just wanted to ask. --Mjrmtg (talk) 17:32, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

No, I was in a push to go through several counties that day and I didn't get the jail. I got several of the courthouse. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 21:00, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
I uploaded a front view of the courthouse, File:Telfair County Courthouse front, McRae, GA, US.jpg, not used in any article. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 20:16, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
That is a really good photo, were you standing across the street? I was standing across the street, I guess I should have zoomed in a little. --Mjrmtg (talk) 20:46, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
I don't remember, but I don't think I was across the street, based on looking at the photos (in one I was close to the historical marker) and the fact that my lens was at 45mm, which is a very middle distance for it. With a situation like this, there is a balancing act between getting close enough so the trees on the side don't obscure too much and far enough back to hold down the perspective distortion. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:31, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
Well, the trees are very similar to this one, so I probably was across the street and zoomed in. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:43, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
Another clue is the height of the flag pole in relationship to the building. I was just about the same distance away, but a little to the right of where the other photo was taken, so I was across the street. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:36, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you. I haven't worked on that article in quite a while. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:27, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

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The Photographer's Barnstar
Fabulous images of the gargoyles on the Union Bank article! Kudos on the article and the images. Zpeopleheart (talk) 06:53, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, I appreciate it. Sometime I want to get back there and get more detailed photos (when I get my 200-500mm lens). Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 20:32, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

5 Million: We celebrate your contribution

We couldn't have done it without you
Well, maybe. But the encyclopedia would not be as good.

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Thank you, and thanks to all contributors. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 16:04, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Northeast Florida

Hey! I see you got to the Amelia Island area. It's one of my favorite areas of the state, including one of my top five drives, from Fernandina Beach down to the Mayport Ferry. Good photos, and I hope you enjoyed the trip. I've gotta get back up there to just amble. Cheers!  :) --‖ Ebyabe talk - General Health ‖ 18:24, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I was there yesterday. I noticed that you were there 5 years ago, on the day before Halloween. I really thought that the lighthouse needed some good photos, so that was my primary objective. You have to get onto the grounds to get a good photo, and it is only open 11am-2PM Saturdays. So then I went to some other places: American Beach, historic downtown, and then to the original town site. I still have more photos to upload. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 18:42, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
Is that drive on A1A? I love A1A up there, when it is close to the ocean. Several months ago I was on A1A from Canaveral to Daytona, but it is farther from the ocean and you can't see the ocean because of high dunes. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 18:49, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
Yes, A1A from Fernandina Beach to the Mayport Ferry. Once you get south of American Beach, you go through or by about 4 state parks. It's mostly tree-lined, but there are a few breaks where you see ocean. One beach section always seems to have people flying kites whenever I'd drive by. Just a very mellow and relaxing drive. You can Google Street View it for a preview.  :) --‖ Ebyabe talk - Opposites Attract ‖ 05:58, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

More and more I'm realizing what a massive undertaking the HRHP project is. But I hope it is the best source of NHRP stuff for the general public.

If you look at the progress page for counties illustrated, there is an area of red is spreading out in southeast Georgia. I still have quite a few counties that I want to get to. At first I was putting one or two "mug shots" of buildings, plus trying to get better photos of ones that already had photos. But then someone mentioned that people would be interested in seeing the details, so now I've been doing a lot of that and dumping a large number of photos in Commons categories. There are too many of them for me to give a descriptive file name and a detailed description, but they are there (and linked from the articles and county list).

And I've been correcting coordinates when I can and trying to make sure that there are links to the commons cats. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 18:15, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Rules of Chess: new draw rules from July '14

I marked a couple lines with citation needed:

A similar rule was added in section 9.6 on July 1, 2014. If the same position occurs for five consecutive moves by both players, the game is automatically a draw (i.e. a player does not have to claim it). A similar rule was added in section 9.6 on July 1, 2014. If no capture or no pawn move has occurred in the last 75 moves (by both players), the game is automatically a draw (i.e. a player does not have to claim it). If the last move was a checkmate, the checkmate stands.

These rules may well be in effect, but I can't find anything in http://www.fide.com/fide/handbook.html?id=124&view=article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.30.9.208 (talk) 04:15, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

The link says "for games starting before July 1, 2014". There must be a newer page at FIDE.com. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 04:18, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

See section 9.6 in the rules: http://www.fide.com/fide/handbook.html?id=171&view=article Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 04:21, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

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Glynn Academy

You recently uploaded several images of various Old Glynn Academy buildings to commons. Take a look and see if you agree with me: refnum 11000775 only applies to the 1840 building that was relocated in 1915, then moved back in 2008. See Glynn_Academy#Old_Glynn_Academy_Building. There are only three other buildings that are contributing properties to Brunswick Old Town Historic District. Several Glynn Academy buildings are specifically listed as intrusions (non contributing) to the HD. I fixed a few, but there are many others - if you are familiar with the area, can you sort it out? Some of them might be tagged with 79000727, but others should just not be tagged at all. I initially fell into this because two of these had a double pipe in the NRHP template and showed up in a maintenance category. Generic1139 (talk) 18:28, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

I think you must be right, but I don't have a copy of 11000775 and it says that it hasn't been digitized. I just saw that Glynn Academy was on the register, and I didn't have a way to check the form. Can you tell me how to see 11000775? Thank you for the fixes you did and I can work on the others. Since there are so many buildings at Glynn Academy (my daughter graduated from there this year), perhaps there should be a category for the old building that is on 11000775 and another general Glynn Academy buildings. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 19:58, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

You linked to this: 

November 18, 2011
...
GEORGIA, GLYNN COUNTY,
Glynn Academy,
SE. corner of Egmont & Monck Sts.,
Brunswick,  11000775,
LISTED, 11/04/11

That isn't enough to narrow it down. The school takes up most of that block plus the block to the south, except right at the SE corner of those streets is a Jewish temple. The closest school buildings to that corner now are the 1840 building (which wasn't at that location at the time of the 1978 HD form) and what is now known as the Glynn Academy or G.A. building - the one built in 1922, #50 on the Brunswick old town HD. But, other than the 1840 building, there are at least two school buildings older than the current "G.A." building. So, without reading the form, I can't tell if it is talking about that one specific building or the whole campus. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 20:23, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Well, there is this sentence in the article, which indicates only the 1840 building: "On November 4, 2011, the 1840 building was added to the National Register of Historic Places.[13]". I know which three buildings are the HD contributors. So it must be the 1840 building on the 2011 form. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 20:30, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

I can't find the nomination form either, but there is this: [3] from the Historic Preservation Division (HPD) of the Georgia Department of Natural Resources, that talks about the 1840 building as "The Glynn Academy", and that it will be a museum. The press release is from a few days after the 11000775 listing by the NPS. Generic1139 (talk) 21:53, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
Also, the metadata for the listing, [4] limits the significance to 1825-1849, which would leave out the rest of the campus. Generic1139 (talk) 21:55, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
I saw your latest changes. Re: policy, I think, for an HD is that an individual photo of a contributing property can have the NRHP template, but a category doesn't have the HD refnum tag unless all the members of that category are in that HD. For example, the Glynn Academy category would not have the NRHP template, because it contains non-contributing properties like the Sidney Lanier Building. The three buildings that are in the Brunswick Old Town Historic District would be in that category, which would be tagged with the HD refnum. For an HD, only one category should be so tagged, and any categories that are members of that category would not be tagged, though the individual photos would be tagged. I think, for now, the only change to what you have done (and thanks for the work on that) would be to remove the tag from Glynn Academy, and I'll do that next. Actually, now that you've tagged each photo in the HD with the HD number, it will be easy to add tothe HD category, I'll do that too.
 Done I built a category for each of the buildings that had more than two pics, and I think I got everything in the right category. Nice pics. You might take a look at what's left in the Glynn Academy category, there were two that I wasn't sure what building they were part of. The signs and water valves can probably just stay in the main category. Generic1139 (talk) 19:34, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for doing that and for the compliment about the pictures. I used to get mostly "mug shots" of the buildings - fill the frame and have little wasted area. But someone said that people will be interested in the details, so I've been doing a lot more of that. I thought about a cat for each building, but I didn't want to do the work. I'll check them. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 21:19, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
One G.A. photo was in the wrong cat, but that was because I gave the wrong description (corrected now). Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 22:24, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Confederate flag photo

Hello, Jud:

Will you please tell me where the flag is displayed which you photographed and described as the Confederate national flag captured at Fort Jackson, Louisiana?

(Noticed from other items on your talk page that you may be a Georgia resident. In the past I lived and traveled in Georgia. Now I'm in Louisiana.)

Since the photo appears to be of a museum display case, which one of the museums has this large flag? It would be nice to add the location to the photo file.

Thank you very much,

Sandi H

Floridasand (talk) 08:56, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

It is in my parent's house, owned by my father. It is in a hallway and I can't get farther back to take a good photo without taking it down, and it will probably take two people to do that (someday I'll do that and get a better photo). I think the plaque says "Forts Jackson and St. Philip". Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:53, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

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Stone arch bridge

No, I've not yet seen the form, but I read the stuff at WT:NRHP, so I was already expecting this. The photo is unambiguously taken on the road that replaced the loop; look at 39°22′16″N 87°45′32.5″W / 39.37111°N 87.759028°W / 39.37111; -87.759028 in Google's satellite view and you'll see the weeds in the middle of the road, the different color resulting from the brick pavement, and even the shadow from the telephone pole, as the image apparently was taken at the same time of day as my visit :-) So unfortunately, there's no chance that I got the right bridge by accident. Hoping that you can get a picture of the historic bridge when next visiting your in-laws (I assume this is where you were going, given your comment about Angel Mounds up above), because if so, you'll be in the area a lot sooner than I will — I was living in Bloomington IN at the time of the visit, only about an hour away, but it might be years and years before the next time I'm as close as one hundred miles from the site. Nyttend (talk) 04:57, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

I don't know if I will be back there. We visit them once or twice a year, but they are gradually moving to Columbus, OH. We helped them do some stuff for moving when we were there. My wife thinks that they will probably have moved by the next time we visit them. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 06:21, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

MiG 17 photo

Hello, I would like to use a photo for which you have a license. It would be used only in a Vietnam veteran's oral history transcript to be archived at the San Diego Veterans Museum library. The photo's caption is "MiG 17A at the Mighty Eighth Air Force Museum near Savannah, Georgia."on the following website: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-17#/media/File:MiG_17A_Mighty_8th.JPG However, I'm not sure of the appropriate way to cite you as a reference. Could you please advise? Thank you.98.176.239.43 (talk) 20:43, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

You may certainly use it. You can just say something like "Photo: Jud McCranie". This year I went back and took another photo of the same plane (with a better camera):

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MiG_17_at_Mighty_8th_Air_Force_Museum,_Pooler,_GA,_US.jpg but it looks like the paint may have faded. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 21:01, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

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Telfair County Courthouse and Jail

We collided on Telfair County Courthouse and Jail. I was there to make a quick fix and ended up rewriting most of it, it took a while. Re: adding an external links section to host only the commons category inline, I've been interpreting WP:LAYOUTEL to mean don't add an external links section to only hosting the commons link. Others may be as well, you see a lot of the commons box down at the end of an article. That's why I did what I did there. After the rewrite, there was an external link so it made sense to add the commons category-inline. Do you think it is better to add the External links section and the -inline when there aren't any previous external links? Generic1139 (talk) 01:55, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the rewrite. I created it mainly to have somewhere to show the photo of the jail, other than in Commons. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:54, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Your courthouse photos

I hope you don't mind, but I added courthouse photos of yours to the following articles: Bryan County, Georgia, Effingham County, Georgia, Long County, Georgia, Peach County, Georgia. --Mjrmtg (talk) 12:54, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

That's fine - I appreciate it. I happened to see Effingham county last night. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 16:46, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Chess player nominated for deletion / redirect

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Opposition in Chess

Hi, in the Opposition (chess) article you contributed to, there's a study (teaching tool) by Ortvin Sarapu to illustrate maneuvers using distant opposition. Please can you give a reference for this study ? Thanks

90.55.46.164 (talk) 22:26, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

I made several edits and contributions to that article, but I don't think that I added that one. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:19, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Chess rating system

What is the source for your claim that "Soviet player Andrey Khachatoruv proposed a similar system in 1946"? Thanks. Bruce leverett (talk) 13:51, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

All of the information in that paragraph is from Hooper & Whyld, p. 332. I corrected the spelling of his last name. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 17:40, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! Bruce leverett (talk) 18:59, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

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Chessbazzar

Hi, you don't like ChessBazzar? IQ125 (talk) 14:37, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't know anything about it one way or the other. Yesterday someone created Chessbazaar, but it was speedily deleted. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 16:51, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

thanks

for tipping me off about the Solar eclipse of August 21, 2017. I will need to do some planning and then some traveling, but I will be there. Perhaps I'll see you? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 18:22, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

I am definitely planning to go, but no firm plans yet. I'm trying to talk my wife and daughter into going too. I don't know where along the path I'll be. This gives some good details. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 18:28, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Photo of Capablanca knight (seem you made it)

Hello Sir,

First, please forgive my English (which is not my native language),

Allow me a question: i start to collect chessmen 6 months ago, and i am still searching for the almost "perfect" knight (to my eyes)... The one that you take photo here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:KnightCapa.jpg

he is almost perfect to me!!!

May i ask you, if you own this little wonder, to make few photos from front, face, profile, up, and down, if you do not own it, may i ask you where i can find (maybe buy) this great knight...

Thank you, Regards from France. Hervé MysetChess (talk) 02:04, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I still have that set. I will get you some more photos, but it may take me a week or longer. Here is a link to that set. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:16, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello Sir,

Thank you for answer.

Your photos will be very welcome.

I had find the knight from HOS Capablanca look alike your knight... but the picture you have taken "erase" that ugly "bar" that appears on the face of the knight of the Capablanca chess set ...

Thank you again for your kindness.

Regards from France. Hervé MysetChess (talk) 08:25, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Collector Imperial knight
I got that set 8-10 years ago - they may have changed it since then. I didn't alter the photograph. I like that knight, but the one I like the most is this one. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 20:34, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

nice knight! I think your Capablanca chess set has been made by a master turner, it may explain the big difference between yours and the actual design... if you like chess set, my very little collection: http://zechec.wix.com/myset Regards MysetChess (talk) 20:47, 5 July 2016 (UTC)


Hello, As i do not find someone who own this chess set... I will be very pleased when you can make some more photos of this nice knight. Thank you. MysetChess (talk) 18:01, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

I have not done it yet, but I will when I have time. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 18:04, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

No problem...That is nice from you. Thank you. MysetChess (talk) 00:45, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Ways to improve Macon Historic District (Macon, Georgia)

Hi, I'm Cotton2. Bubba73, thanks for creating Macon Historic District (Macon, Georgia)!

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Well, all I have is the NRHP form. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:48, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Georgia NRHPs (and Nebraska too)

FYI, I am now working on a batch of Georgia and Nebraska NRHP articles, indexed from User:Doncram/Batch-Georgia-plus, temporarily in Category:NRHP in progress (alphabetically sorted with GA ones first but a few NE ones mixed in, then NE ones). These are all the articles created by me in these states which still had "NRIS-only" tags on them (all before November 2013). You are very welcome to edit any of these. Using AWB, I have added in NRHP registration document links that, knock on wood, should usually work. My intention is to fix up each of the NRHP references and add some material to every one of these articles, drawing from the NRHP registration documents or other sources. I would keep track by strikeouts and notes in the batch list if there is anyone else collaborating; otherwise I may just indicate I am done with an article by removing its temporary category. I am notifying you because I know you have edited a lot of GA articles and you have many of these on your watchlist, and I think you might be interested, and I would be very happy if you joined in. Or to get any feedback. Cheers, --doncram 20:25, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Generally I keep any article that I have done more than minor edits on my watch list (plus I put places I'm hoping to get to on my watch list). Mostly I've added photos to HRHP articles but I have done some editing and created a few (ones where I wanted to stick my photos). I'll help where I can. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 21:11, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Great! I am now marking some of what I've done so far on the list. By the way I am beginning use of {{RequiresMSIE}} for articles where the NRHP documents are garbled when using Chrome browser. --doncram 21:24, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

I noticed there were just 20 new Georgia NRHP articles needed to get it out of the darkest blue color of any states at wp:NRHPprogress, i.e. to reach 630 articles and be 30% articled. With new Camden County Courthouse (Woodbine, Georgia), which I started to make links work at List of courthouses in the United States and otherwise (too bad it turns out the specific NRHP document is not available online, though), that makes just 19 needed. I might plug along towards completing a swath of counties across the top of the state (Gordon needs 3, Gilmer 1, Dawson 1, Fannin 2, Union 3, Towns 2, Rabun 6, Walker 13 (or 4 to do Walker halfway), 31 (or 22) in total to complete), or I'd be happy to work together on any other NRHPs of interest to you. --doncram 21:43, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm more interested in ones I've been to, especially ones I've photographed. Those are pretty much in southeast Georgia. I have created about 5 NRHP articles. I can look at the list and see ones with which I'm interested in starting an article. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 23:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
Briefly, what does "NRIS only" mean, exactly? I.e., if you get info from the nomination form, is it still NRIS only? Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 00:32, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
Replies:
one of a bunch of Macon Historic District (Macon, Georgia) pics available

References

  1. ^ Kristalia Stavrolakis (August 1, 1974). "National Register of Historic Places Inventory/Nomination: Macon Historic District". National Park Service. Retrieved August 10, 2016. with photos
is one that oughta be created, from quick browsing your commons files. If you start it, perhaps at Draft:Macon Historic District (Macon, Georgia), I would add to it, or I could start it. --doncram 00:53, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
I live just off US 17. I'll probably start Macon HD - I've started 3 or 4 HD articles after I got a set of photos. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:37, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
I'm working on creating stubs for courthouses in Georgia. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 21:26, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Georgia courthouses

The entire contents of those articles were (1) an Elkman infobox, with nothing beyond the default content and the image from the county list, (2) {{{PAGENAME}}} is a historic courthouse in [PLACE], Georgia, United States. It was listed on the NRHP on [DATE], and (3) the categories provided by Elkman.

I wouldn't have deleted those articles if they had had any useful content; some of the user's creations were decent, so I intentionally didn't delete them. Nyttend (talk) 01:18, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

As I noted when userfying that one, it's nowhere near being ready for mainspace. Please do not move it back unless you've substantially improved it before moving it, or unless the move is immediately followed by a substantial improvement. Nyttend (talk) 01:33, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
You can get it all from Elkman and the county lists; it will take longer to copy/paste this content than it would to mine it from Elkman's server. Unrelated question: have you see The Georgia Courthouse Manual, published by the state in 1992? Looks like a highly useful resource if you're interested in writing courthouse articles. Nyttend (talk) 21:39, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, I didn't know that book existed. That sounds like it is just what is needed for a second source. A large number of Georgia courthouses went on the NRHP in 1980 (must have been done all at once) and the NRHP form for them is only two pages and mostly about architectural details. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 23:00, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
Well, there isn't much useful information in it for our purposes, see the PDF. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 23:14, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

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Yes, I did that over the weekend with about seven in Candleabracadabra's userspace. I added a few sentences to them and put them in mainspace. (Sometimes I also got a better picture and corrected coordinates.)That is all I know of like that, based on the list of courthouses in the US article. They are still stubby, but better than nothing. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:43, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

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Georgia articles that were moved to userspace

There are a bunch more Georgia articles that editor User:Candleabracadabra created. Per your interest (and I have wanted to get them restored, too), i moved the following drafts by Candleabracadabra from their User space out to Draft space:

  1. Draft:Hillcrest (Cochran, Georgia) - Hillcrest (Cochran, Georgia) (currently a redlink)
  2. Draft:McCanaan Missionary Baptist Church and Cemetery - McCanaan Missionary Baptist Church and Cemetery (currently a redlink)
  3. Draft:Bulloch County Emergency Medical Services building - Bulloch County Emergency Medical Services building (currently a redlink)
  4. Draft:Kettle Creek Battlefield - Kettle Creek Battlefield (bluelink is merely a redirect which can be deleted in a wp:rm, if/when Draft is ready)
  5. Draft:Haven Memorial Methodist Episcopal Church - Haven Memorial Methodist Episcopal Church (currently a redlink)
  6. Draft:William D. Phillips Log Cabin - William D. Phillips Log Cabin (currently a redlink)
  7. Draft:Western and Atlantic Depot (Dalton, Georgia) - Western and Atlantic Depot (Dalton, Georgia) (currently a redlink)
  8. Draft:First National Bank (Columbus, Georgia) - First National Bank (Columbus, Georgia) (currently a redlink)
  9. Draft:Lott Cemetery - Lott Cemetery (bluelink is article created by Bubba73. Perhaps there is stuff to merge?)
  10. Draft:Barnesville Depot - Barnesville Depot (bluelink is article created by another editor. Perhaps there is stuff to merge?)
  11. Draft:Elberton Depot - Elberton Depot (currently a redlink)
  12. Draft:Thomas C. Burke House - Thomas C. Burke House (bluelink is article created by another editor. Perhaps there is stuff to merge?)
  13. Draft:William G. Harrison House - William G. Harrison House (currently a redlink)
  14. Draft:Davis-Exchange Bank Building - Davis-Exchange Bank Building (currently a redlink)
  15. Draft:Gulf Beaches Historical Museum - Gulf Beaches Historical Museum (bluelink is merely a redirect which can be deleted in a wp:rm, if/when Draft is ready)
  16. Draft:Tate Gymnasium - Tate Gymnasium (currently a redlink)
  17. Draft:Chattahoochee County Jail - Chattahoochee County Jail (currently a redlink)
  18. Draft:Thomas A. Berry House - Thomas A. Berry House (currently a redlink)
  19. Draft:Boyd Mill Place - Boyd Mill Place (currently a redlink)
  20. Draft:New Perry Hotel - New Perry Hotel (currently a redlink)
  21. Draft:Ludowici Well Pavilion - Ludowici Well Pavilion (currently a redlink)

Those are all Georgia articles I believe. There are at least a few more that were moved to Candleabracadabra's user-space, too. I will soon use AWB to put draft NRHP document references into each of the Draft articles, and would hope to refine the references and expand the articles a bit using the references. I hope you might join me in editing these. Hmm, this is really committing me to editing a lot in Georgia, on top of the articles already in progress. Well, this is okay by me. :) cheers, --doncram 06:11, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

That is a lot more than I knew about. I found about 7 articles about courthouses in his userspace by using List of courthouses in the United States. I got all of them, added a few sentences to them (the 1980 NRHP forms mostly only have a little about architecture), added a photo or provided a better photo, and adjusted coordinates. I'll help with these. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 06:21, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Astronomy

You asked about visible conjunctions once. Well tonight might be the most impressive one to the naked eye from the 1980s to 2020. (for the East Coast at least). Planet-on-planet eclipses have only been observed twice in recorded history and this is only an order of magnitude less close. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:50, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for telling be but I knew about it. Unfortunately it is rainy here today, so I don't know if it is going to clear up. If it does, I'm going to use my camera to get Venus, Jupiter, and some of its moons in one shot. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 20:14, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

PS - This week I made hotel reservations to go see the Moon occult the Sun next August. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 20:18, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

@Sagittarian Milky Way: I did get to see it. The sky was not black yet before they ducked behind clouds. I got a photo, but the sky was too bright to show the moons of Jupiter. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:21, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Bethel African American Episcopal Church

Hey, if I'd known you were going to be in Palatka, I'd have tried to convince you to come down to Ocala so we could meet. Perhaps another time. I had been meaning to get up there to get a photo of that church, but glad you got it. I've driven by it so many times on the way to St. Augustine, I never thought to take a photo of it. Still need to get the Cummings House, which is on the Rodman Plantation. I think it best to call first tho. Also the Morgan-Townsend House, which is only about 15 miles south on SR 19. It just has a photo from the NRHP submission. Anyway, keep up the good work! Cheers.  :) --‖ Ebyabe talk - Opposites Attract ‖ 05:06, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

That would have been a good idea. I was playing in a bridge tournament in Jacksonville from early morning to late afternoon for five days the week of July 4th, so I wanted to get a couple in, but I didn't have much time (it was 8:30PM when I took the photo in Palatka). One of the other days I went to St. Johns County and got the Moultrie Church. As you can tell from the photo, it was after sunset when I got there (it was taken with a flash). I was also considering getting the Arthur Milam House in Ponte Vedra, but you can't see it well from the public road so I wanted to get it from the beach. However, the nearest public access is nearly a mile to the south, and I didn't feel like walking two miles in 97-98 degree heat. I made a quick trip down there and got it last month. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 05:19, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
I saw that you got the Milam House. I was thinking a long walk was the only way to get shots of it, based on Google Maps. Thanks for confirming. When things cool down, I'm hoping to get to St. Augustine and get some shots myself. I'm going through withdrawal, since I've not been to St. Aug in ... 3 years?! Wow time flies. Anyhoo, cheerio. ;) --‖ Ebyabe talk - Attract and Repel ‖ 03:29, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
You can see parts of the Milam house from the street on the other side, but it really wouldn't show much. I went with the idea of going on the beach. I did stop my car on the street side, but too little of it is visible. You need to be on the beach side to see its unique architecture. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 04:20, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

notice

FYI, I mentioned your name at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment#Amendment request: Doncram, and notify you here as I think I am obliged to do. I think it shouldn't require anything on your part. --doncram 01:18, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

I read a good part of it, but I'm not an administrator and I don't care for that depth of wiki-lawering. I joined the NRHP project less than 2 years ago so I don't know anything about what when on 3+ years ago. You and I had a minor disagreement over the name of the building that has the Statesboro GA city hall, but that was minor. I also disagreed with putting the name of the city in the courthouse articles in cases when the county and state is sufficient to identify it (which is the great majority of cases). Other than that, I think that you have been enormously productive with the NRHP stuff and you have encouraged me to get to work on quite a few of the articles. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:17, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

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Possible typo

Hello there Bubba73,

I refer to your photo upload, which is part of the sundog page: I wonder if you meant "Georgia" in the caption, where instead it says: "Sun dog with the Sun, taken in Brunswick, Georiga, U.S." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dogs#/media/File:Sun_dog_with_Sun_cropped.JPG

I don't live in the US, so happy to stand corrected!

Cheerio, Sal.

Yes, a typo. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:21, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

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Machetes

On the science ref desk, they're asking about machetes being carried by the Apollo astronauts. It's possibly you could add something to it. P.S. RIP John Glenn. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:40, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Well, they were not hard to get. Most astronauts charge for their autographs, but Glynn didn't. You could send a photo to him and he would autograph it. I have five of them but only one is on my wall. The one on my wall was also signed by Günter Wendt. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:40, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
Double wow! Wendt was a hero in his own way too. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:49, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I always felt like you wanted Gunter Wendt in your corner. I remember in an interview that he told the families that he would make sure that everything on the pad was right. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:57, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

You are Active on Commons

Despite your header here, you've been recently active on Commons and completely missed the point. Text is copyright on things on the public way in the United States, that's called "Freedom of Panorama" and the United States doesn't have it. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:23, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

    • The copyright in the US has expired for everything published before 1923 and for everything published before 1978 without a copyright notice. These markers don't have copyright notices and they are from before 1978. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 16:37, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
The Georgia Open Records Act allows using them without restriction. The historical markers are done by yhe Georgia Department of Natural Resources, Historic Preservation Division. http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/government-politics/open-records-act http://law.ga.gov/sites/law.ga.gov/files/related_files/site_page/GeorgiasSunshineLaws2014WebEdition.pdf Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 00:01, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Works subject to copyright law

The United States copyright law protects "original works of authorship," fixed in a tangible medium[1] including literary, dramatic, musical, artistic, and other intellectual works. This protection is available to both published and unpublished works. Copyright law includes the following types of works:

  • Literary
  • Musical
  • Dramatic
  • Pantomimes and choreographic works
  • Pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works
  • Audio-visual works
  • Sound recordings
  • Derivative works
  • Compilations
  • Architectural works[2]

References

  1. ^ 17 U.S.C. § 102
  2. ^ Electronic Freedom Foundation. Teaching copyright. http://www.teachingcopyright.org/handout/copyright-faq. Retrieved December 2, 2015.

Historical markers don't fit in any of those categories. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 00:58, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

  • This site has photos of historical markers that you can use for non-commercial purposes just by giving them credit for their photo. But the photos I uploaded are mine. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:07, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
  • In addition, the copyright has expired on anything published in the U.S. before 1923, as well as anything published before 1978 without a copyright notice. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:28, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
    • I completely agree with Bubba73 on this issue I saw where markers were just deleted from an article. This do not fall under the copy right law in fact this items are government property created by the Georgia Historical Commission Reb1981 (talk) 03:34, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

chess endgame literature

Hi, In Fine's Basic Chess Endings, in the section on rook vs. bishop without pawns, there are quite a few credits to (Maestre, 1939). E.g., for #461 on page 461, fourth line from the bottom. This is the 1941 edition. I have not seen the revision by Benko, which I just learned about on the Chess_endgame_literature wikipedia page. The Chess_endgame_literature page does not list any works by Maestre. Fine's credits are not easy to correlate with his bibliography, given in the Introduction, p. xiv. I managed to run down (Horwitz and Kling, 1851) AKA (Kling and Horwitz, 1851) as referring to a book named Chess Studies in the Chess_endgame_literature page.

Averbakh, in Rook v. Minor Piece Endings, gives similar citations but has no bibliography at all (in the English translation, 1978, Batsford).

Is the some standard reference for looking up things like this, which is why everyone abbreviates?

I could not figure out who wrote what on this page. I see you have edited this page, but I am new on wikipedia and do not know how "Talk" works, so I will not put my email here, but you can figure it out if email is more suitable for responding. Any info is appreciated.

Thanks, Allen Avgucsc (talk) 05:40, 22 December 2016 (UTC)Avgucsc

I do not remember hearing of Maestre and there is no Wikipedia article on him, and Amazon doesn't seem to list any books by him. They may have been published in magazines. Perhaps I've seen him credited, but I don't remember. I initially wrote all of chess endgame literature. For one, I have collected just about every endgame theory book written in English, well up to about 5 years ago. And then I used an encyclopedia with an article about chess endgame literatre as a framework. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 06:01, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

NRHP references

I'm glad you're developing NRHP articles in Georgia and elsewhere. Your edits at the Smith-Nelson Hotel article, for example, definitely improved it. It's a technical point though, that the fact of the NRHP listing and its date are not attributable to the NRHP nomination document. Sometimes/rarely the listing date does appear in a NRHP registration document, when it is being written up after the fact, but usually it is a nomination, beforehand (and sometimes the nomination does not go through). The NRIS database is good for it though. So usually there needs to be an NRIS reference for that fact, and I am editing the article accordingly. Perhaps you could revisit your other recent articles about this? Or anyhow pay attention to which material comes from NRIS vs. a nomination/registration document. By the way I am sure Georgia has climbed over the 30% quality level, will show when wp:NRHPprogress is updated. :) cheers, --doncram 09:19, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Sorry if i sound a bit tetchy, i was a bit irked by suggestion i hadn't attributed things properly here. Attribution matters a lot, i am careful about it, and it's a sore subject where i have been criticized unfairly before. --doncram 09:29, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Science ref desk

There is a question about moon walking. I've got one for you: Do you recall anyone ever falling down? Also, do you know about how heavy the full suit and gear were? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:46, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes, there are several times when an astronaut fell down on the Moon. Apollo/Skylab A7L says that the whole thing with the backpack weighed 200 pounds. But they were in the Moon's 1/6 gravity. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 23:57, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Your photo https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:House_on_Bellevue_Ave_in_Dublin,_GA,_US.jpg

I just noticed your photo was used in an article, https://www.thecrazytourist.com/15-best-small-towns-visit-georgia/2/ thought you might like to know :) --Mjrmtg (talk) 21:38, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Wow, thanks, I didn't know. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 23:44, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Alan Shepard Fake Photo

Friend uploaded it on an account I left open on their computer. The faster it can be gone the better. Any way I can speed it up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juspat1 (talk • contribs) 20:56, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

I don't know the procedure for that but someone else has requested it to be deleted. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 23:49, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

St. Andrew's Episcopal Church (Darien, Georgia)

Hello, I know we are both from the same area and love history. I finally decided to make a page for St. Andrew's Episcopal Church (Darien, Georgia) since there is a lot of history. That even helped heal wounds after the civil war between the north and south. I was inviting you to help me work on page. Someone is already trying to do a speedy delete before I could even do some copy-editing. Thanks. Reb1981 (talk) 03:07, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

I put in my request to not SD it. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:30, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks glad that was resolved. Opinion? Should we combine Saint Cyprians with it since the rector presides over it now, or make it a sperate article? It does have alot of history on its own right Reb1981 (talk) 21:02, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I saw that the person that put the copyright thing on there took it off. I don't really know anything about Saint Cyprians. But I would guess that it should be separate. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 21:29, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Thought you might like to have a look.

I been little busy on Wikipedia lately. I created couple local articles.

Thought you would like to have a look. Reb1981 (talk) 21:40, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

I've been by there many times. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 22:28, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Same here. I knew there was a history of Butler Island, but I didn't realize how much in influenced the time. I was shocked when I did the research Reb1981 (talk) 22:43, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Ellamae Ellis League & I thank you for your photos

Thank you so much for all the photos of historic buildings you post. I just posted a biography of the noted Macon architect Ellamae Ellis League and the article is far more interesting to look at because I was able to incorporate several of your photos - both directly, and in a gallery over on Commons. Keep up the good work. --Krelnik (talk) 18:20, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I saw that you were planning to write an article. It looks like I got the Jones school, her house, and another house. I took the photo of her house from the street, and as I was doing it, the current owner drove up and said that it was their house. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 20:52, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Thalian Hall (Georgia)

When was it demolished please?Zigzig20s (talk) 02:59, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

I don't know. Besides the page with the old postcards, I looked at satellite view and street view and it isn't there. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:38, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
WP:OR!Zigzig20s (talk) 09:31, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
The problem with OR is that the reader can't verify it. Here the reader can look it up on various sources and see for themselves. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 14:07, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
@Zigzig20s: and @Bubba73: There are a couple of better sources out there. This NPS document for the Oglethorpe Historic District (where the university moved after the Civil War) briefly mentions that it was torn down in 1990. But a better one is this thesis for a Masters degree in Historic Preservation at UGA that goes into detail about why it was torn down in May 1990 and cites a specific local news article. --Krelnik (talk) 16:51, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks - I did do a Google search but all I found was the website for postcards. This was after I verified that it is not visible in satellite views. And I made sure the location was correct by comparing it to the NRHP form. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 16:55, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Riverside Cemetery (Macon, Georgia)

I got inspired by that Riverside Cemetery (Macon, Georgia) redlink you created in Ellamae Ellis League so I went ahead and whipped it up. Take a look and let me know if I screwed anything up! --Krelnik (talk) 03:50, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Question about change in a redirect

Hey I saw this change you made, and I'm curious. I put an "anchor" template in the article named "House" specifically to point this redirect at it. The advantage of doing it that way is even if someone (for some unknown reason) edits the title of that section (maybe to at "The" on the front?) the redirect will still work.

So I don't understand why your change is better, but maybe you can explain? Is there a policy about these? Historically I've seen a ton of redirects get broken because someone renamed a section title, so I really think using the Anchor template is superior. Thanks. --Krelnik (talk) 18:44, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

It is because I'm used to doing it the old way, without anchors :-). I'll change it back. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 19:13, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
Ha! I know the feeling - frankly I just learned about that Anchor template recently myself. Thanks much. --Krelnik (talk) 19:51, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Your photo in a DYK soon

It looks like one of your photos might make the front page of Wikipedia for a few hours. I submitted Ellamae Ellis League for a DYK and the reviewer liked the hook with your photo of her house. I'll keep an eye on it and let you know when/if it gets scheduled. --Krelnik (talk) 17:58, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

It isn't a great picture with all of those bushes in the way. But thanks. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 19:08, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
An update - the DYK got pushed up into the prep queue without the photo, I guess the editors agreed on the photo. Ah, well. Should be on the front page late tonight or sometime tomorrow. --Krelnik (talk) 12:36, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Georgia NRHPs encore

Hey, our past efforts plus perhaps ongoing contributions by you brought Georgia NRHP coverage up currently to 892 articles (42.3%) and 1,444 illustrated (68.4%) and to 36.3% on the "net quality" index. Wow! I am back to editing some Georgia NRHPs again some, just for the heck of it, including in National Register of Historic Places listings in Charlton County, Georgia and in National Register of Historic Places listings in Lowndes County, Georgia. Maybe I can fill in the wp:NRHPPROGRESSMAPS' "Articled" picture from the bottom up, for a bit, but i'd be happy to detour to do stuff where you might be visiting in the future again, too. I wonder if you went on your planned trips and/or if it is too hot to go on more trips this summer. I also wonder about some way to indicate where improved photos or more photos would be helpful, in a way that would put them onto a "photos wanted" list. E.g. North Patterson Street Historic District in Valdosta, Georgia in Lowndes County is one where more photos would help, and there is only one available (by another contributor). Cheers. --doncram 01:00, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

I've done a little in Lowndnes. I got photos for all of the ones in Charlton County, except for one that is deep inside the Okefenokee Swamp. There are three tours of the swamp from different starting points, but none of them go to it. You can rent a boat and probably get to it with GPS. My wife and I did rent a boat and go in the swamp in the early 1990s but I'm not likely to do it again. I did make the trip to Jenkins County about 3 weeks ago and got some photos, but not very good ones. I got Camp Lawton but there isn't much to see there. I got where the HS used to be. I got where a church used to be, but it did include the graveyard. And I got a plantation house through the trees with a telephoto lens. I still have plans for Thomas and Grady county (and probably near there), along the southern border a little on the west side. Also, I'm still planning to go to Baldwin County. That will require an overnight stay, but I found that there is a B&B at one of the NRHP sites! There are also a lot of photos needed in Muscogee County, but that is even farther. I probably won't be going on any of those trips until it gets cooler. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:17, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
The last page of the North Patterson HD has a very clear map of what is in it, and they are all right together. It will be very easy to get them the next time I'm over there. I wsa 2 blocks from there doing Sunset Hill Cemetery a few months ago. (I might can make a day trip.) Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:48, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Birdsville Plantation, recent pic
Okay, good about North Patterson HD, whenever you might get there. There are other Valdosta historic districts not much photographed, too. Thomas and Grady are "done" being articled as you know, but I see that Baldwin County has redlinks to work on, not too many though, so I can do it soon. And I am aware that Muscogee County is big and has lots of redlinks, dauntingly many, but now I will be somewhat motivated to chip away at them. :)
Thanks for getting the Jenkins County places. The Birdsville Plantation pic is the telephoto one? That is a fine pic, it captures the inset portico which is the unusual main feature of the place. Good that you got pics of the sites of the high school and the church, too, which their articles document about being demolished well enough; we have them covered decently now, though one could wish for a historic photo of each of them before they were demolished. Regarding some pics of sites elsewhere, where the original building or bridge or whatever has been demolished or is in the woods out of sight, i have moved their photos out of the NRHP infobox to signify that we don't have a pic of the historic thing itself, but kept the pic in the article as obviously informative about the general topic. And I have likewise commented out / removed the photos of not-the-thing-itself from the county list-articles. For many of these I think it is an option to create a pic from an NRHP nomination document photo, even though that is presumed to be copyrighted, with justification by a fair use rationale. There have been a few NRHP editors who worked with photos that way in the past, and/or who got public domain photos from HABS/HAER or the Library of Congress. Hmm, what do you think now about keeping those photos in the list-articles or not, and/or having some photo quality scoring system to identify these, or what? Maybe they should count as "illustrated" (or not at all, i am not sure) but get low credit say 5% rather than 25% in the "Net quality", at wp:NRHPPROGRESS? cheers, --doncram 21:52, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Yes, Birdsview Plantation was shot with a telephoto lens through gaps in the trees. I got it from some other angles too, but that one was the best. Actually, the place wasn't gated and not too far from a road, so it might be OK to go up and ask them if it would be OK to take photos, but I didn't. I think there needs to be some sort of photo in the county listings. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 23:08, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Chess is an expression of Pi

Greetings Sir. I would like for you to take a closer look at the formula that I came up with that accurately determines the value of the pieces and squares. If you don't want to purchase my book "True Chess" you can watch my 8 minute video on you tube entitled "Chess is an expression of Pi." I know that this may be difficult to accept initially but a thorough investigation of the matter should make it easier. I have an AAS. My major was Automotive Technology. I can appreciate a true legend. Cool car my friend. Please leave a comment on my page after you take a look at the video or have read the book. Thank you SirMyDiametrical (talk) 16:41, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

What is the link to the YouTube video? --‖ Ebyabe talk - Attract and Repel ‖ 17:07, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
youtube. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 18:09, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Comments

Thanks for your reply Sir. The tournament results from 2011 were due to my personal protest as the directors refused to follow their rules where I was concerned. See me at any of the sites where I play and you will experience my true chess strength. You made some 'matter of fact' statements without providing any substantial proof or evidence that refutes the formula and or supports your views. I feel and I think are not sufficient. Nevertheless, all feed back is good feed back. A couple of well known IM's had a completely different take on the formula. I'll save all the comments that I receive as one day they will no doubt provide great entertainment. Peace and blessings be upon you Sir. MyDiametrical (talk) 20:37, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

I've run across you recently

at List of monuments and memorials of the Confederate States of America and am having hissy fits about what is going on there and you seem to be on a somewhat parallel track. But more interesting, I played chess with my dad, who played with his brother-in-law Siggi who played with Boris Spassky. Does that make me a 3 or a 4? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 03:50, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

It makes your Fischer number 4. Off hand, I'm not sure about your Morphy number. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:52, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
We'd have to connect Morphy to Spassky? Someone must have done it. Carptrash (talk) 03:54, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
Spassky's Morphy number is 4, so am I a 7 or an 8? As you've probably figured, I'm not that good. Carptrash (talk) 03:57, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
You can connect to Morphy through Spassky, but there might be a shorter path. But if there isn't a shorter path, that makes your Morphy number 7. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 04:40, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

References typo on user page

Just to let you know, you have a typo in the "References" section of your user page (it's "Isaac" rather than "Issac", of course). Cheers! Bumm13 (talk) 01:42, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:45, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

priorities, really

Computer pioneers are important and all that, sure, but shouldn't you be out photographing National Register of Historic Places listings in Hart County, Georgia, say?  :) --doncram 18:01, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Yes, that county is wide open, as a few more are. I've gotten just about everything I can get in a day trip. I have indefinite plans for overnight trips to some of these other places. Hart county looks like it would have been better to do a multiple property submission or HD. (34 listings in a town of 4,500.) That county is a 5-hour drive for me. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 23:07, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

You know, I got in the NRHP program by accident. I went to the radio museum in St. Marys, GA. Across the street and about a block down, I photographed Orange Hall (St. Marys, Georgia). I wondered if the St. Marys article had a photo of it. That is when I discovered the NRHP project (on the talk page), and found the county listings, with many photos needed. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 00:21, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

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a link in support

of your Brian Jones as a southpaw edit. [5] Three pictures of Jones signing autographs, all right handed. I hope the link works. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 00:42, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 00:45, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks. The article certainly needs more material. Peter Flass (talk) 21:18, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

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Charleston Light

It's connected to Wikidata now, so there's a link to Commons already generated. I don't really care one way or the other, but it seemed to me there's been more of an effort of late to encourage that kind of integration between projects. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:41, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

I think the other way makes it clearer to the reader that Commons has media (usually photos) about it. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 19:13, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps. As I say, I don't much care one way or the other. I don't know that there's a standard. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 19:23, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

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David Bronstein

Could I ask you about this edit: [6] where you added a cite from "The Sorcerer's Apprentice", and I am unable to check myself. Does that cite specifically mention Keres, Korchnoi and Rubenstein? (Rubenstein would be strange because he was not a post-war player). And later another editor added Fine to the list, who presumably isn't in the cite. I'd like to separate what the cite actually says, from any additional commentary. Adpete (talk) 23:28, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

The page number is wrong since the book starts on page 7. I'll have to find it again, but it probably says what I wrote. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 23:48, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
@Adpete: Whoops, it is on page 4 (the first numbered page is 7). "Back cover illustration by Sammy Rubinstein, son of Eugenie Lew and Akiba Rubinstein, another grandmaster to share David's fate as one of the strongest players never to become World Champion." (Of course you can't argue with Keres, Fine, and Korchnoi being in that set, but this book doesn't say that. But there is probably some source somewhere that does.) Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 00:22, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
Hmm, there's all sorts of mess then. The WP article says post-war, and Rubinstein's not post-war. Neither is Fine, really. I think lists like this are very subjective - what about Gelfand, Topalov (if you don't count his FIDE title), Ivanchuk etc? They probably would have had a number of chances if the chess world hadn't been in chaos when they were at their peak. So I've removed the list and also the words "post-war". I've inserted your quote as a comment. Thanks for looking this up. Adpete (talk) 03:02, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
One more-or-less objective criteria would be to look at ratings and include players who were once the second-highest rated player but never became World Champion. Ratings started in 1970 but in Elo's book, about 1976, he retroactively calculated earlier ratings. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:10, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
The article could just say that he is one of the strongest players never to be W.C. and not list names. That quote can be used for a reference and it is certainly true, given his 12-12 match with W.C. Botvinnik. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:22, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I did. Adpete (talk) 23:26, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

The PDP-10 image you removed from List of transistorized computers was a KL10, and thus IC-based

The PDP-10 image you removed from List of transistorized computers appears to be the same picture as the KL10 image at the top of PDP-10, so it was the third generation (oops, there's that phrase again :-)) of PDP-10, and thus IC-based (like its predecessor, the KI10; when the KI10 came out, I assumed the "I" was for "integrated circuit").

There's a picture of a KA10 (discrete transistor) on this page, if you're curious. Guy Harris (talk) 03:12, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, when I read that later PDP-10s used ICs, I decided to remove the photo, since I didn't know one way or the other about that one. Thanks. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:56, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

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Checkmate with two bishops

Sorry for that incautious claim! Many thanks for your edit! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leonidsh (talk • contribs) 14:59, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

McDonough Historic Districts

Hi, i expanded McDonough Historic District by making a table to cover major properties, using more of your photos, which I could mostly match up to specific geo-locations by use of Google maps. If you were going to be able to visit and take more pics, I would be glad to expand it further to cover more specific buildings mentioned in the NRHP document, e.g. the U.S. post office, a Queen Anne-style house at 87 Griffin Street, various churches, city cemetery, etc. As with many other Georgia NRHP historic district documents, there is not a complete list of properties included though, and the online-available stuff is missing 5 sketch maps that were part of the nomination, unfortunately. But it is still a case where more expansive coverage of a historic district is possible. I'm not always sure whether adding a table is worthwhile; here i think it sort of helps though it is not wonderful. Best when you are on board to take separate pics of most (or all?) major resources in a district.

At my Talk you mentioned getting back to Lawrenceville Street Historic District in McDonough very soon or in May; should I table-ize that article and/or expand the MHD table, for you to lay in more pics? --Doncram (talk) 00:32, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that I will be back in May. The only photos that I got that are in the HD are around the courthouse - the courthouse, the Confederate statue is in the courhouse square (the block to the south of the courhouse), the old gas station across the courthouse square to the west, and the row of building across the street from the square on the east. There is a nice statue of Patrick Henry (for whom the county is named) at the courthouse, and I need to get a photo of that. I didn't notice it until I was driving off, and I was on a deadline to get to Atlanta. Let me get some pictures of the Lawrenceville St. HD before you make a table. I will get a more of the McDonough HD if I can. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:13, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Okay, I will hold off on any table for Lawrenceville St. HD, though i did try just now with one for same-county Locust Grove Historic District which is not very good at all, perhaps should be edited out. I could figure out the street address and then the coordinates for one house there, then gave up. It would be great(er) if you could include street addresses in photo titles or descriptions. But any which way works for you to get any coverage is good. Thanks! --Doncram (talk) 01:31, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
At Locust Grove, I parked at the L.G. Institute, crossed over to the intersection of Bill Gardner Pkwy and US 23. The green house I chose for the main picture is on the NW corner of that intersection. Then I walked NW on US 23, sidewalk on the west side. I crossed over to take the third photo you have of a house that is on the east side of the railroad. Then I went up to the last house before Brown Ave. Then back, getting some of them from the other direction/angle. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:38, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
And I noticed the missing sketch maps of the HD that are mentioned in the NOM form. They would help a lot - otherwise I have to go by addresses. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:39, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Okay, thanks, with that help about where you walked, plus the map within the Locust Grove document, plus Google street view, I could figure out addresses for several houses. Unfortunately most of those ones don't have any mention within the NRHP document, though they can be verified to be contributing properties because they are indicated that way on the map. It is set up, I guess, for anyone else who comes by and wants to expand the coverage of the district sometime in the future. :( --Doncram (talk) 02:30, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
A lot of times when I'm photographing a HD, I get practically everything that looks old enough to be in the HD. I hope I don't get ones that aren't, but I don't check thoroughly enough. It takes time - just that little Locust Grove HD took 30 minutes. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:38, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Looking at the map in the Locust Grove nom form, I got the old school (photo #10), then NW: 3590, 3570, ... 3514, 11 Brown Ave, and one on the other side of the RR - the one near the s in Jackson. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:51, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Did you get back? Hey, i visit your page to ask if you have photos to upload, to push Georgia over the 40% mark in combo-quality measure in wp:NRHPPROGRESS. It'll roll over that soon, anyhow. I keep coming back and creating some articles, but it sure takes a long time; I recall asserting that 30% was going to be passed soon, a really really long time ago I think. Being over 70% in photos is very impressive though. cheers, --Doncram (talk) 21:15, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

I haven't gotten back yet. I go near there every time we go to my daughter's college, which was almost every two weeks last semester, but it depends on the time of day and how pressed for time we are. There is a good chance that I will get it (and maybe some more) by the end of July. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 21:26, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
And I was near there in May, but conditions didn't allow me to stop. I usually spend about 30 minutes walking through a HD, but now it is too hot to be outside that long. I might either do a few quick ones or get my wife or daughter to drive while I take photos from the car. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:01, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
Looking at the street view, the houses at 87 Griffin (photo 40) seem to be gone. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:10, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Request for help finding chess set

Hi - I've been looking for ages for chess pieces with the exact Staunton design in your photo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staunton_chess_set#/media/File:ModernStaunton.jpg . Your notes for the photo state 'Photo of my House of Staunton "Marshall" chess set - same style as Jaques "Millennium" set', but I can't find either set from either seller. Do you know where I can currently get this precise design? Thanks Derrick Farnell (talk) 10:59, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

The House of Staunton doesn't seem to have them in wood anymore (only plastic). And you said that Jaques of London doesn't have the Millennium anymore (I didn't check). So I don't know about this exact design, sorry. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 15:44, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
Okay - thanks anyway. Derrick Farnell (talk) 15:56, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Acme Mapper

You didn't get an answer to your Help Desk question. Did you get your answer somewhere else? I wouldn't know how to answer.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:30, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

I just got back after being gone for several days and now it is working again. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:01, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Apollo rockets

Is this[7] correct? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:50, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Deletion notification

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File:Alexander Alekhine playing chess against Efim Bogoljubov.jpg

Wrong source and sourcetype. Not from Polgar. I have searched a long time for the original source of this "photography" I found in the book "Umkämpfte Krone". It is a single frame clipped from a movie news (as shown in cinemas when there was no TV)! Original source: Giornale Luce A0459 del 10/1929; original title: Campionato di scacchi a Berlino; Subtitle: I giuoca di Campionato di Scacchi a Berlino; duration of clip: 35 secs. I downloaded the original movie from "Archivio Historico Luce". ([1]) You can watch my edited (cut) version here: [2]

Andreas Lange, Schachclub Kreuzberg, Berlin, Deutschland 2A01:598:B007:49C4:7898:7ADF:9E9D:AF54 (talk) 01:26, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the information - can you update the file? I must have gotten it from Susan Polgar's blog 10 years ago. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:34, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

File:Alexander Alekhine playing chess against Efim Bogoljubov.jpg

Wrong source and sourcetype. Not from Polgar. I have searched a long time for the original source of this "photography" I found in the book "Umkämpfte Krone". It is a single frame clipped from a movie news (as shown in cinemas when there was no TV)! Original source: Giornale Luce A0459 del 10/1929; original title: Campionato di scacchi a Berlino; Subtitle: I giuoca di Campionato di Scacchi a Berlino; duration of clip: 35 secs. I downloaded the original movie from "Archivio Historico Luce". ([3]) You can watch my edited (cut) version here: [4]

Andreas Lange, Schachclub Kreuzberg, Berlin, Deutschland 2A01:598:B007:49C4:7898:7ADF:9E9D:AF54 (talk) 01:36, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://patrimonio.archivioluce.com
  2. ^ http://www.schachclubkreuzberg.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Giornale-Luce-A0459-del-10_1929-mp4.mp4
  3. ^ https://patrimonio.archivioluce.com
  4. ^ http://www.schachclubkreuzberg.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Giornale-Luce-A0459-del-10_1929-mp4.mp4

Science ref desk

There's a question about Apollo 11 which I expect you could answer. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:59, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

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Macon Libraries even this Saturday

Hey, I was wondering if you are still planning to attend the Macon event on Saturday? I was thinking about driving down earlier in the day and taking some photos of historic properties and whatnot. (I wrote Ellamae Ellis League and would love to get some better photos of some of her buildings into Commons). Wondering if you might want to coordinate on that so we don't overlap? Even if you can't attend, any tips you can offer on efficiently planning a picture taking route using coords pulled from Wikipedia would be great. Thanks. --Krelnik (talk) 14:41, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure if I'm going or not. What do you think we will do at the meeting?
I photographed three of the Ellamae Ellis League houses/buildings. I'm all in favor of getting better photos. I know that the photo policy is that any photo is better than none, but many of them are really poor. Photo technology has changed a lot in recent years, and I got a better camera just a few months ago.
As far using the coordinates, CHECK THEM first! Many of them are way off. (Addresses can be wrong too.) I use Acme Mapper because if you locate the building, you can read the exact coordinates off the legend. And use street view to confirm that is the right house. Fortunately, Georgia is a state where almost all of the NRHP forms are easily accessible, so you can look at the photo there to make sure you have the right house. Also, the PDF of the NRHP form can be very helpful - a lot of times they show a map, or even a hand-drawn sketch of a map is usually very useful. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 16:48, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
The Ellamae Ellis League House I did after sunset, so there wasn't much light, and it is blurred because of the low shutter speed used (or the poor lens that I was using at that time). The Herman and Allene Shaver House has a lot of trees in the way, but fortunately there were no leaves (it was raining that day). I wish that I was bold enough to go up to the door and ask to get a photo from the yard, but I'm to timid to do that. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 16:55, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Not sure what we'll do, I discussed this with one of the organizers. Just in case folks want to create something from scratch I whipped up a set of Macon-related redlinks I had at hand. Two things I plan to do are go down in the morning and try to get some photos of buildings, and maybe a few cemetery photos. Then at the very least I can spend the meetup incorporating the photos I got into commons and if anybody's interested we can talk about that whole process, copyright, category tagging photos, linking between Wiki to Commons and so on. I agree some of the League photos are not great, was hoping to get better photos of her house and her son's house, and a few other houses she did in Shirley Hills. I know where a few of her non-NRHP commissions are, so I'll get a few of those for the heck of it (like the Grand Topper house and the Scottish Rite Temple). And maybe a few random ones from the Bibb County NRHP list and contributing properties from the historic districts therein. I guess I'll build myself a map and try to figure out a driving plan. If some folks go to the Aviation Museum after, there's certainly an opportunity to get some photos there and make sure commons has a complete set of their holdings --Krelnik (talk) 20:09, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Update: I'm looking at stuff to photograph, and I think I'm definitely going to cruise through the Vineville Historic District which is a Bibb NRHP redlink. There's a League building there, but also several early Neel Reid houses and some other cool looking stuff that's close to the street and easy to photograph. --Krelnik (talk) 16:43, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Dawson Woman's Clubhouse

seems not to be the right house

Do you know how to reach Commons contributor User:Blastoids (redlink there and here, has contributed up to August 2017). Perhaps they could revisit the site? And/or could you possibly stop by Dawson, Georgia, in Terrell County, anytime and try to sort out the deal? This is about Dawson Woman's Clubhouse, which is supposed to be a log cabin, photographed in 1981 in NRHP document, but pic by Blastoids at the given address seems to me to be clearly a different house, and an old one. There is a Dawson County Womans Club but that's in a different county. --Doncram (talk) 22:34, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Of course i find something more just after writing the above. Seems from here that the building is now the Log Cabin Club House and that it is at a different address, 360 Sixth Avenue NE, not 311 Sixth Avenue. Maybe there was a street address renumbering. Would not have been moved to make way for the other old house, IMHO. --Doncram (talk) 22:40, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
I've seen quite a few photos by Blastoids. He/she hasn't contributed to Wikipedia in quite a few years and not in commons for more than a year. It certainly isn't the right house. I've encountered renumbering several times. For instance in Baxley, Georgia, rather than having east Main st and west Main st addresses, they changed it to start on the eastern end and increase going all of the way west.
I have several overnight trips that I've planned, and one is to the SW corner of the state. It is just about 200 miles from here to Dawson (approximately 3:45). But there are some counties just two counties over from that county that I hope to get to sometime. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 22:53, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
Well, there is a possibility. My wife and I are leaving on a trip driving out west this weekend. (I'm not specifically doing any NRHP places.) We are coming back through Birmingham. Rand-McNally says that the fastest way is interstate all of the way from Birmingham through Atlanta and home. However, there is a shorter (in terms of miles) route, not on the interstate, Birmingham to Columbus - through Dawson - to Albany, and then straight across. That is a possibility. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 23:06, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
Hey, well, it would be great, and timely, if you could. There is a Women In Red campaign ongoing about Women's Clubwomen and Clubs, and if you get pics they should be posted proudly also at Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Clubwomen, below where I just posted about the new article. :) I find myself collaborating with User:WomenArtistUpdates who popped up on my watchlist a week or two ago. Your wife, being of such gender, should approve? :) Of course I think you should stop and get pics of all the other NRHPs in all the counties on your route, too. :) --Doncram (talk) 01:22, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
It might work. She doesn't like going on I-95 from Savannah to here anyway. When we are traveling together, she has a tolerance for me doing one or two NRHP sites, if they aren't far off our route. The only one I'm planning to do is the historic Lowell Observatory, which we are visiting anyway. So Dawson is on one of two possible routes on the last day, if we aren't too tired by that point. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:29, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Checking Google street view, the house pictured is at the current 311 address. The log house is at 360 (the house across the street looks like 361 or 367). Due to the trees around it, it is unlikely that it was moved, so probably the street was renumbered. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:45, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
I suppose you must mean some other Lowell Observatory, not the one in Arizona? (Does it need an article?) Oh you said "out west" so maybe you do mean Arizona. Hmm, there are a lot of unfinished counties along the way. :) Magicpiano at wt:NRHP has some system for downloading NRHP locations along a route. And Birmingham in Alabama I expect, I don't see one in Georgia. --Doncram (talk) 01:52, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

The Lowell Obs. near Flagstaff,AZ. Scroll down to see the historic NRHP and National Landmark one. That showing NRHP along a route would be great, but we are going to be driving for 12 days, so generally no time for NRHP. (I always have to stop and get out, walk arround look for angles avoiding clutter in the way, etc. A HD takes me a minimum of about 30 minutes because at the least, I park and walk two blocks in one direction and then back on the other side of the street.) Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:58, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Doncram and Bubba73. I uploaded and added a fair-use version of the log cabin Dawson Woman's Clubhouse from the NRHP nomination form. I removed the questionable photo. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:20, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Some just talk, others do? I feel shamed! (not really, just kidding). This is about File:Photo of Dawson Woman's Clubhouse.jpg, which I was going to post in a thumbnail here, but I realize that would require another fair-use assertion for it to be used on this user talk page. Thanks, User:WomenArtistUpdates, both for checking out the ping and coming here to speak up, and thank you for trying with the fair-use approach. I say "trying", because I don't think it works. It's not a valid fair use assertion because it is reasonable for Wikipedia to get a new photo of the place (it has not been demolished, it is accessible on a public street, and we have managed to get 77,205 articles illustrated (per wp:NRHPPROGRESS today) with very rare use of fair-use claims. I did try fair-use claims in the past, but the copyright-attentive editors, wherever they live, got around fairly quickly to deleting them, always in less than a year, and I expect that will happen here. Maybe they will be thrown off by the "original work date" of 1913 in the fair-use assertion, and the black-and-white appearance and the log cabin subject which could appear to be a 1913 photo. But probably not because a public domain claim based on age was not used, and it is in fact a 1981 photo, and the 1982 publication date and a link to the photo source is properly provided, so I don't think they will be confused. Basically, usually we can't use photos from the NRHP applications. Exceptions are some relatively rare ones where the NRHP app and photos were created by Federal employees (not the case here). And there are historic photos from 1910 or whatever sometimes included which could be claimed to be PD based on their age, which perhaps we ought to do more often. But here there's no way, IMHO. It's a nice try. I'd be happy either to let the photo stay as is, until copyrighters get around to deleting it, or for WomenArtistUpdates to proceed to delete it to save their time. I do appreciate the obvious good intention and effort, thanks! --Doncram (talk) 16:37, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for removing the questioned photo, it is better for that to be done, now that it seems really clear that it is not the one wanted. Probably i should have removed it already before posting about the article at the WIR page. Thanks. --Doncram (talk) 16:41, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi Doncram, I'd like to leave the photo of the log cabin for now please. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:50, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
Okay no problem by me. We can just watch and see what happens. --Doncram (talk) 00:54, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
My wife thinks that it would add another night to our trip to go through Dawson, so I'll wait on that until later. However, she says that we can do the bridge on Route 66 in Texas. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 19:54, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

@Doncram: I got some photos of Dawson Woman's Club - it has been moved. I also got photos of the Dawson and Sasser HDs in that county, and will upload them later. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 06:42, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

One of Bubba73's new photos of Dawson Woman's Clubhouse
Nice photo Bubba73! Thanks. pinging Doncram WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:15, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you - there are more of them in the Dawson Historic District, <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Dawson_Historic_District Commons Category>. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 20:22, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, very much, for going out of your way to get the multiple photos of the Texas bridge and of the Dawson clubhouse, and to upload them in timely fashion, so that the latter could be included in WIR Clubwomen campaign, which is ending tomorrow. I posted the club photo at right to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/94 page. There are historic photos posted there of clubwomen buildings which were uploaded to Commons during this drive (e.g. [:File:Ebell Oakland California.png], and there are other photos there which were rounded up in some vaguer way, i.e. at least identified as relevant or whatever, but in fact already were at Commons. AFAICT yours are the only genuinely new photos of any clubwomen building obtained during the drive. Thank you for your quality contribution! And as you may have noticed, I developed Route 66 Bridge over the Chicago, Rock Island and Gulf Railroad article to showcase a couple of your photos there, thanks! --Doncram (talk) 20:40, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Several years ago I took photos of another log house former woman's club building, not on the NRHP, but I couldn't find the photo. I know where the building is, though, and I go through there from time to time. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:43, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

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Thank you for your kind and timely contribution of photos for Dawson Woman's Club, within the October 2018 Clubwomen WIR editing campaign and other generally great contributions of photos and info about women's club buildings and other Georgia NRHPs. I particularly appreciate your helping with WomenArtistUpdates' and my efforts to develop about the Dawson club. :) Doncram (talk) 06:05, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

@Doncram: Thank you for the barnstar. Is there going to be another of these next year? I searched for my photo of another former woman's club (also a log building) but I couldn't find it. My mother was president of it one year in the 1950s. If there is going to be another one, I'll get a photo of the clubhouse. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 06:47, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

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Bubba73,

You left me a note about why so few submissions on Darlington County, SC-I think it was then that I quit my Wiki efforts. I actually have photos from every landmark in the state, and was happily uploading per my original instructions, then other editors started chiming in requesting additions, minor changes, more links, etc. This is after I had received approval from my primary contact for the first dozen I did. Oh well. All in all, not a pleasant experience, that is why I quit after, say 500 uploads, or half the stuff in the SC Wiki site.

Best wishes, Bill — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigskybill (talk • contribs) 21:04, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

@Bigskybill: I was wondering, because Darlington County was the only S.C. county on the Progress page that was less than 50% photographed, and it was way less - about 6 out of 52. I got it up to about 29. It seemed like someone was making an effort to do all of SC, but that county stuck out like a sore thumb. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 23:18, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

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Why did you leave Big Peter Paulson on there?

why is Big Peter Paulson not removed by you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.81.96.165 (talk) 21:43, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:UNENCYCLOPEDIC, Wikipedia:Verifiability, and Wikipedia:Notability (people). Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 04:06, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Washington County

Hey, National Register of Historic Places listings in Washington County, Georgia currently has more articles than photos, and I wonder if you could fix that? Also, in general there used to be, I think, twice as many photos as articles Georgia-wide....

Sims Cottage at Tybee Island Strand Cottages Historic District

Thank you for getting back to Tybee Island Strand Cottages Historic District!

cheers, --Doncram (talk) 00:47, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Washington County has been on my list to do next for more than a year. Sandersville is a little more than a 3-hour drive from here, so I don't think I can do it in one day without staying overnight. However, I have one or two free nights at a hotel chain that I've been planing to use, and get some from neighboring counties on that trip. I haven't done much on NRHP for several months.
It was a year ago today that I got the Strand Cottages HD. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 04:06, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

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I found your picture of Kudzu on wikipedia, and I find it is a great example of invasive species. I was hoping to use your picture in an E-book I am writing for the Whole Earth & Watershed Festival taking place in Redding, CA next week.

The photo in question is at this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kudzu#/media/File:KudzuPlants.JPG

My book “8 Ways to Improve Backyard Habitat” discusses ways people can improve the wildlife habitat on their properties. I am sure that people frequently borrow this photo and others without permission, but I want to get your go-ahead before using the photo and also give credit where credit is due. If you are willing to let me use the photo, I will send you a free copy of my E-book as a thank you for your contribution to the project (though I don't know how to send a PDF through wikipedia chat). If you do not want me to use it, I understand and will respect your wishes.

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Sorry for the late reply, but yes, you can use it. On my home page you can click "email this user" to email to me. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 22:22, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

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@RobDuch: OK. When I uploaded them, I put them all in Battle of Gettysburg memorials category and also (I think) Gettysburg Battlefield. Then I went through and the ones that weren't memorials, I removed the memorial category. I assume that the Memorial category is under the Battlefield category - if so, a bot should come through and remove the more-general category. Someone has some some categorization (and a few descriptions) on Commons, but it was not one of the people who replied on the military history project. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 19:54, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
I've worked on many of the captions/descriptions, and I found a good site for memorials at Gettysburg. RobDuch (talk·contribs) 21:04, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, I appreciate it. It was more than I could take on. Some of the photos taken from the hill are way too dark. I can fix that, if I get around to it. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 21:07, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
I've done basically everything I intended to with the photos. RobDuch (talk·contribs) 04:31, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Great, thanks a lot. I see that several need to be brightened. I should have done that before I uploaded them, but I just took the JPEGs straight out of the camera. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 04:33, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

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Chickamauga

Thanks for your Vicksburg and Gettysburg photos? Since you're a Georgian, would you happen to have photos of monuments at the Chickamauga/Chattanooga NMP? I'm trying to improve the article for the 21st Illinois Infantry Regiment and commons doesn't have a good quality photo of its monument in the Viniard Field of Chickamauga. Thanks, Kges1901 (talk) 11:23, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

I took a few of the battlefield, but I don't remember many memorials. I'll have to look back and see what I have. Also, I am likely to be there again in the near future. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 20:54, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Whoops, I was thinking of Battle of Kennesaw Mountain. I've been to Chickamauga twice, but I don't have photos, except from the top of Lookout Mountain. That was a long time ago and I'm not even sure if I had a digital camera then. I'll have to look at my old files. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 22:17, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
I live in the far corner of the state, a little over 400 miles away, but I do get to that area from time to time. My wife is going near there within 2 weeks, but she only has a phone camera. Can you give me a more precise location of the monument? Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 22:52, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks. It is in the Viniard Field on LaFayette Road. There are coords on this waymarking entry. Kges1901 (talk) 16:04, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

34°54.125′N 85°15.625′W / 34.902083°N 85.260417°W / 34.902083; -85.260417

My wife is going by it on I-75 in about 10 days, but that is about 9 miles from I-75, and it isn't highway speed. I'm going to be in the northern part of Atlanta about that time, but it is about 90-minute drive to there (plus back). It is probably going to have to wait until we are making a trip to that area. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:08, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your consideration. It is not that urgent, but I really appreciate you taking the time to consider this request. Kges1901 (talk) 12:48, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
I will try to get it the next time I'm in that area and have time. That will happen eventually! And thanks for the work on the Vicksburg photos. At Vicksburg and Gettysburg, most of the memorials are next to the road, but at Chickamauga, most are out in fields. I was surprised that Vicksburg has almost as many as Gettysburg. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 17:32, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Vicksburg

I'm starting on the Vicksburg photos. Due to the lack of existing categories, I'll leave most of them in the NMP category. With luck, I'll be done in 2-3 days. RobDuch (talk·contribs) 20:24, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate this. They aren't as well documented as the Gettysburg ones. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 22:18, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
All photos captioned with summaries. RobDuch (talk·contribs) 21:20, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 21:23, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

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Checkmates in the opening

There has been a little discussion about recent activity on the Checkmates in the opening article. I haven't seen you comment on this, but since you started the article in 2008 I'm interested in your opinion. @MaxBrowne: raised concerns at WT:CHESS#Checkmates in the opening. I thought maybe we could ride it out and simply wait for the concerning edits to subside, but now I'm not so sure. Quale (talk) 18:43, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

I don't have that on my watchlist. I think I created it because it was in something like checkmate and I didn't think it belonged there. Something like that. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 19:56, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
I looked at the article (for the first time in about 10 years) and read the discussion. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 20:06, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments. I understand why you created the article, and I don't think we had any trouble there until recently. I don't know if that trouble was inevitable, or if it can be managed. Quale (talk) 05:39, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

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Olde Pink House

102 Gaston

I had been waiting for a reply from an architectural historian in Savannah, and got one yesterday. It's a 20th-century copy of the Pink House, at the northeastern corner of Forsyth Park: https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0699105,-81.0939161,3a,75y,0.02h,90.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1si8nfO4jyjrPq0mzsb7E-tg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 - Seasider53 (talk) 12:53, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Wow, I didn't know that. It looked the same except for the windows, which could have been changed. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 15:20, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Yep, the only other difference was one less quoin going up each corner, but I thought the roof might have been lowered at some point. - Seasider53 (talk) 15:29, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Nice. I'd replace the old one with yours, but your call. Can always keep the link to the Library of Congress one as a reference in the caption. - Seasider53 (talk) 14:37, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
@Seasider53: It isn't a great photo. I made a quick trip to Savannah to get photos of the Sorrel-Weed house and the Mercer-Williams house. I was sitting at a stop light and there it was - I took a photo from the car. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 19:15, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Looks pretty good to me. Plus, there are a couple of the real house from that angle in the article. - Seasider53 (talk) 19:27, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
"(now called The Olde Big Pink)"?! :-O - Seasider53 (talk) 19:29, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Normally I walk around to get a good angle. But I was making a quick trip to Savannah to get photos of those two other houses, because there are very few people on the street and parking was easy. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 20:52, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Mercer House

Great shot of the door. Looks like whoever did the recent paint job did a terrible job considering it spread to the brickwork around the windows. Not sure the brickwork was actually worked on either. - Seasider53 (talk) 11:41, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

I did those photos very quickly - just hop out of the car for 2 minutes or less. I noticed that the color of the off-white stuff looks different from the older photo. In the older photo it looks a little more yellow. But that could be because of differences in the camera or the lighting. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 19:26, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

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Doncram drafts

Should you move any more of the draftified Doncram hotel articles back to mainspace, as you did with The DeSoto, it would be helpful if you'd go to User:Deor/Sandbox and strike through the corresponding entry. I'd like to keep track of these. Deor (talk) 06:07, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Deor: OK. At the present, I don't plan to move any more. I did the DeSoto because I came up with references in the newspaper and the TV, and added the architect (and a new photo). I did add photos to the drafts of the Cotton Sail and the River Inn in Savannah. And thanks for fixing the categories. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 06:14, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

re Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2020 June 4

I think there's some confusion there, possibly because I didn't create my entry clearly. the journal list issue is a separate problem. Mangoe (talk) 19:07, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

I sort of think it is too much to take directly, but I'm not sure. I'd like another person to weigh in. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 22:32, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Butler Island

Philadelphia Club

Like Jekyll Island and Walter Rogers Furness Cottage, this article would be much poorer without your terrific photos.

I wonder how important the Butler family was in establishing/maintaining ties between Philadelphia and tidewater Georgia? I have a friend who grew up in Georgia whose schoolteacher mother thought Owen Wister's novel Lady Baltimore captured the feel of the state better than any other. I guess he knew it well.

Wister was a member, and also wrote a history of the Philadelphia Club, this city's most exclusive men's club. Coincidentally, the club's building was built as the city house for Thomas Butler, Wister's great-great-uncle and Major Butler's only son. Major Butler disinherited Thomas and left his plantations to his 2 male grandsons, provided they took "Butler" as their surnames.

Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 21:10, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. I live within 10 minutes of Butler Island, but I don't know anything additional about the history. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 22:52, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Neat, that you're that close!
Skimming thru Margaret Cate's book,[8] it appears that the mansion on the site either dates from the 1920s, or is a GREATLY altered house.[9] I'm not sure where/how to suss this out, but that's why I deleted your mention of the mansion from the lede.
Malcolm Bell's Major Butler's Legacy: Five Generations of a Slaveholding Family is an extraordinary book, although I don't think I've seen it since I moved 12 years ago. With covid-19 and staying at home, I should probably unpack the rest of my books.
Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:05, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
The photo of the Fanney Kemble house is a different house, not the Butler/Huston house.
Have camera, will travel. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 05:24, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
And for the other reference, the Butlers also had a plantation on St. Simons Island, east of Brunswick. Butler's Island is south of Darien. i think it is talking about the other location. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 05:28, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
You may be right, although the same photo has been published elsewhere (inaccurately?) as Butler Island. I wish Cate had been more precise.
Aaron Burr hid out on St. Simon's Island after killing Alexander Hamilton in the duel. Major Butler was not present, but Burr spent a month in his house there.
The Butler family papers, including the GA plantation records, are here in Philadelphia at the Historical Society of Pennsylvania. (Probably donated by Owen Wister.) PA is starting to open up, but I doubt they'll be accessible until the fall, at the earliest.
Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:32, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
I think the Fanny Kemble house was just a house on Butler Island, not the main house. There are two other houses in the background, but I can't tell much about them. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 20:25, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@BoringHistoryGuy:, yes the house that is on Butler Island now was built in 1927, see this. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 05:14, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

The house is a beauty, but it seemed odd for Butler to have lived behind the steam-threshing mill. Huston and his house probably deserve a subsection in the article.
Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 10:54, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
The book by Cate says that Butler actually lived on St. Simons Island. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 14:30, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Butler had several properties. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 14:34, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
According to Kemble's journal, they lived on Butler Island from December 1838 to March 1839, and then on St. Simon's for the last month of their stay.
Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:07, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Aha. I was using Google Maps to try to figure out where your photo was shot from. I'll let you take things from here.
Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:46, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
I was trying to figure that out myself, looking at the bends in the rivers and if I-95 was visible. They were taken south of Butler River, at Two-way fish camp/Mudcat Charlie's Resturant. One of them was taken from their dock (showing the relatively high bridge) and the other was taken from the bridge.
In the one I took today, you can see two of the structures on the left and the house is visible behind the dock.
I took some more photos, but Commons was having problems with the uploads. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 23:54, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
I just learned how white rice is made, and added it to the article. I've seen a date, somewhere in the 1850s, about when Pierce Butler built the brick chimney, but haven't (re)found it yet.
Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 03:01, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
One thing I'd like to know is whether the number of the enslaved went from 540 (1803) to 919 (1859) due to natural increase, or whether there were additional purchases.
There is also the possiblity that enslaved Africans were included in the 1853 purchase of the General's Island plantation.
Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:06, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
I don't know. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 19:26, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

A couple points, some taken from sources I don't have full confidence in:

  • The modest house illustrated in Cate seem to be the Butler Island caretaker's cottage where Pierce & Fanny Kemble Butler stayed for the first 3+ months. Huston seems to have built his 1927 mansion on the same site.
  • Butler Place, the columned house with 2-story porches across the front, was not in Georgia, but the Germantown suburb of Philadelphia.
  • The water-powered pounding mill seems to have been on the same plot as the brick chimney and cottage. Probably along the river, but exactly where?
    • This photo that I took the other day gives you a better idea. The chimney is on the left and the sign says that the brick thing on the right is a water-powered (tide?) mill.
  • Is the brick chimney from 1833? when the first steam engine was put in use, or from the 1850s? as modern guidebooks state. I'd love to find an authoritative source.
  • Based on a c.1910 photo, the steam pounding mill seems to have been small, maybe the size of a 3-car garage.

I've probably delved too deep into the Butler family, but it seemed helpful in explaining how and why things happened. With Rhett Island and Butler Island, I wonder if Margaret Mitchell ever visited?
Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:24, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

The family stuff might be better in the Butler Island Plantation article, or a new article. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 18:17, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
I found a detailed November 1873 letter describing Butler Island by France Butler Leigh's husband, and added it to Butler Island Plantation. There are more letters, describing rice cultivation and the system of dikes and paddies. He drops the N-word a lot, but the info is valuable.
Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:48, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
I'm planning to get out there one sunny day and get a photo of the rice fields on the other side of the highway. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:53, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

CSICOP

Hey, I noticed that you added the part about "Psi Cop" back in 2006, and it's still in there, but I can't find it in the source cited. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 15:12, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

It isn't in Paul Kurtz " Skeptical Odysseys: Personal accounts by the world's leading paranormal inquirers", page 42? I can't find my copy of the book right now. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 21:02, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
I don't have access to the book. Anyway, the source currently cited in the article is a website, and it doesn't mention the "Psi Cop" thing. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 21:13, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that what I put in there was correct, and referenced to the Kurtz book. I think I might have given that book away last year. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 22:10, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
I see the problem now. The footnote as it stands now, "Kurtz 2001, p. 42" appears to refer to the book, but the link goes to the website instead of to the book citation. There's something wrong with the Harvard citation. Can you fix this? I'm out of my depth there; there is a technical issue with the wikicode here that I don't fully understand. Someone really needs to fix the article in this respect, and unify the links to the website (some simply show it as dead, but there's an archive link). --Florian Blaschke (talk) 14:46, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
I don't quite understand why the reverencing works the way it does now. I used Harvard (name/date) referencing, but someone altered it. If you click on "15" after "adopted", it takes you to #6. And if you click on #6, it takes you to an archived copy of the article in Skeptical Inquirer. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 20:33, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I noticed that. That's my point: the reference now leads to the article, but it does not mention the issue in question. The reference should go to the book, but I have no idea why it doesn't do so. I can't understand the wikicode anymore. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 12:06, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Maybe I should ask for help elsewhere. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 14:26, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
I know how to do it the way I did it originally, but I don't understand what it is doing now. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 14:43, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Georgia photographs

Hey, just wanted to say thanks for the work you've done with regards to material related to south Georgia. I'm a native of the area myself and I've been doing more pages related to topics on the area, and your numerous photographs have helped me tremendously. Thanks for the good work! JJonahJackalope (talk) 23:04, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@JJonahJackalope: And thank you for your edits. I've seen several of them recently. And let me know if there is something in this area you need a photo of - I need an excuse to get out of the house. "Have camera, will travel." Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 23:05, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject chess main page

Hello,

I'm sorry to bother you, I just noticed that you started a discussion ("Chess piece") in the project page, instead of the talk page. I would like to ask you to move it to the talk page (even though I know it's almost a month old), in order to keep the project page 'clean', and also I'm not sure if a user other than the author can do that, hence I'm writing you. Thanks. Sophia91 (talk) 17:43, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

I wanted to get someone else to look at some recent changes. I meant it for the talk page. Another editor reversed those changes, so the question is moot. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 18:15, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Seal of Georgia (U.S. State)

Hello, Bubba73. Hope the mosquitoes aren't eating you alive down there on the coast. Your remarks about the long footnote are correct, as far as I can tell. I haven't (yet) found the entire quote intact online. However, the content is unquestionably correct, and actually a rather profound insight into the establishment of federalism in Georgia. It is the (unattributed) work of an academic, or perhaps jurist, with a highly developed understanding of the subject. It is a valuable dissertation, and somehow should be preserved. But I would agree there is probably a better way to go about that, than the footnote format. If you agree with the idea of preserving this information, I would like to hear any suggestions you might have. One thought was to reproduce this statement as a sub-chapter of the article, then to reference each separate point so as to validate and preserve the validity of the statement in whole, by validating each part. Again, open to any suggestions you can put forward. When are they going to cut up that car carrier? Gulbenk (talk) 15:49, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

About Promotion rule

Hi, Bubba73

I am the guy who edited the line 89 in "History of Promotion rule(chess)". I am writing you to know is there any regulation violence, misleading content, or fake fact about what I wrote? It's my opinion and a lot of chess players in my community have agreed that without promotion rule, the stalemate rate would increase significantly.

Maybe I am wrong with the thought Wikipedia is the place to share the opinion. I have no proof, no evidence about what I said but my thought.

I also have a question about the line "The original idea was that a foot soldier that advanced all the way through the enemy lines was promoted to the lowest rank of officer." How could it be? Is it fact and if so, how about evidence?

On the battlefield, when two sides advance toward each other. Then the battle will end with the result of one side win, lose, retreat, or destroyed completely. If one armies surfer heavy casualty and has to retreat, the phrase "advanced all the way through the enemy lines" means nothing but it is all about the running competition? If so, how many officers can be born out of one battle? Yeah, with that thought, in medieval warfare, a lot of people who survived the battle can be officers as well. Aftermath, we would call the Medieval Warfare is the officer warfare? Because there were a lot of officers on the battlefield who were born out of the previous battle? And the thing make I laugh to write this is the number of officer definitely be exceeded the number of other units! Whoa the logic!

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.161.32.170 (talk) 11:04, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

No, Wikipedia is ABSOLUTELY NOT the place for your opinions. It is an encyclopedia. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 22:01, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
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