Talk:Aqua Teen Hunger Force/Archive 3

Source for Carl Bio
"While in high school Carl was a trackstar who set national and state records in the 400,800,1600, and 3200 meter races. He was also the best cross country runner in the nation but due to being a victim of his college sponsors publicity he demanded an apology and twice the scholarship money he was offered. When his sponsors refused this ultimately led him to refusing to run in the national high school track championship. Carl waited for his win against his sponsors but instead they just ignored him and he got fat and lazy."

I would like to get a source for this information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.104.11 (talk) 03:43, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

If this statement is not given a source i am going to remove it. I have seen the entire series and cannot recall Carl ever being a track star. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.104.11 (talk) 04:49, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That whole section could use some sourcing. A lot of it could probably be sourced to DVD commentary or specific episodes.  DP 76764  (Talk) 05:50, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Season Information
[updated December 2008]

Please read this before resetting the Aqua Teen season information! Someone does this every other day or so. It sucks. As of today's date (12/20/08) ATHF DVD Vol 6. has just been released. The episodes on the DVDs released by Adult Swim do not coincide with the actual season breakdowns.

Season 1 had 18 episodes. Season 2 had 24. Season 3 had 13. Season 4 had 13 also--there was a 3 Episode mini-season (Dirtfoot, Boost Mobile, Deleted Scenes), a long ass break while Matt and Dave worked on the ATHF Movie, and 10 more episodes (Dickesode-Carl Wash). Season 5, the most recent season to air, had 9 episodes (Robots Everywhere-Bible Fruit). Season 6 is expected to air May 2009. The four new episodes (Gene E, Shake Like Me, She Creature, Chick Magnet) will premiere in May, but were released early on DVD Vol. 6.

Season 1: Rabbot through Cybernetic Ghost

Season 2: Super Birthday Snake through The Last One

Season 3: Video Ouija through Spacegate World (Carl)

Season 4: Dirtfoot through Carl Wash

Season 5: Robots Everywhere through Bible Fruit

Season 6: *upcoming*

Here's the DVD breakdown:

DVD 1: Rabbot through PDA

DVD 2: Mail Order Bride through Universal Remonster

DVD 3: Total Recarl through The Last One

DVD 4: Video Ouija through Spacegate World (Carl)

DVD 5: Dirtfoot through Carl Wash

DVD 6: Robots Everywhere through Chick Magnet

Notice that the first two seasons of ATHF were stretched out over the first three DVDs. Also, the episode order on the first three DVDs is different. Seasons Three and Four were produced 13 episodes at a time, meaning DVD Vols. 4 and 5 contain complete seasons of the show.

The upcoming Season Six will have 10 episodes, including the 4 new eps from DVD 6. The season begins May 2009.

SOURCE: http://www.newsarama.com/tv/081218-animated-shorts-athf.html

Hope this helps. --murrayjames 27 October 2006 (UTC), updated December 2008


 * Thank you Murray, I just hope that people read this before switching up the season numbers again (I haven't seen it happen in a while, so maybe people finally get it) ;) Lets keep this discussion at the top of the main talk page, and not archive it so people can read this without having to dig around in the archives. :: ZJH (T C E) 23:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

ATHF DVDs split
It seems like all of the text shown in the table for the DVDs blends together and it makes it pretty difficult to read. I propose a split into a new articles called Aqua Teen Hunger Force DVDs. We can stretch out the info a little bit more without bloating the table, and make it easier on the eyes. :: ZJH (T C E) 17:58, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Failed "good article" nomination
This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of March 4, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:


 * 1. Well written?: Good
 * 2. Factually accurate?: Not enough inline citations
 * 3. Broad in coverage?: good
 * 4. Neutral point of view?: good
 * 5. Article stability? horrible. 7 edits Mar. 3, 12 edits Mar. 1
 * 6. Images?: Good

When these issues are addressed, the article can be resubmitted for consideration. Thanks for your work so far. -- Mr.Z-man  talk ¢ Review! 21:01, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

GREAT JOB!
FIRST TIME IN MONTH IVE SEEN A WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE I HAD NO PROBLEM WITH. GOOD JOB —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.195.132.253 (talk) 19:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

Carl Wash airs tonight!
It's definitely happening tonight. Maybe we can get a "Carl Wash" article written. :: ZJH (T C E) 02:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Failed GA
The article still isn't stable enough to pass. GreenJoe 16:48, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Spoiler tags in movie section
Removed the spoiler tags for now, as nothing is spoiled in this article, unless you consider info about guest appearances and characters to appear "spoilers". 71.226.17.185 04:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Teen Force
Check out the wiki page for Teen Force. It seems that perhaps ATHF may have been inspired by this '60s cartoon. --65.102.2.8 07:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Why does the article include the speculative teen force reference? There are no references that cite any inspiration for the show. I will wait for someone to contradict me, but I doubt it will happen.70.177.16.146 (talk) 00:32, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I am removing this nonsense about Teen Force. There is nothing to support this section. 76.104.45.99 (talk) 18:34, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Title Description
Is it not called Aqua "Teen Hunger" Force because the main characters are all typical foods/beverages that American teenagers eat/drink? 131.111.236.124 19:47, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good 2 me. Although, why the "Aqua"? Eganio 09:27, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

One of the main settings, Carl's pool = "Aqua" ChesterG 13:48, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

It's a non-sequitur; it's not supposed to make any sense. The whole show is like that. Highonhendrix 03:59, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


 * seconded. the name means nothing whatsoever.  I think it may even say this in the article but the name is simply due to the fact that Cartoon Network executives needed the show to have an actual theme.  they didnt want to just have a literal completely random show.  so they invented a concept of a crime fighting team, the "aqua teen hunger force"  this concept was apparent in the first season or 2 when referencing detective work, fighting crime, etc but has been completely ignored since then.70.177.16.146 (talk) 00:23, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Meatwad
There could be a mention of Meatwad's considerable storage capacity, and his southern accent.Molybdenumtop 07:08, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

ATHF and Burger King affiliation?
Can anyone confirm my childhood memory of getting plastic toys of Master Shake and Frylock in a Burger King kid's meal? They weren't CALLED Master Shake and Frylock, but looked remarkable similar. It would have been in the early to mid 1980s. I remember being struck with the memory when I first saw the show. I declared to my friend this memory, and he looked at me like I was nuts. Does anyone else remember this? I can't find any information on this anywhere... Thanks! Nothingnatural 23:49, 21 June 2007 (UTC)nothingnatural
 * If we were in person, I'd look at you like you were nuts. :) -Mike Payne 01:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I remember the toys that you are talking about. However, those were just plain old shakes and fries on little wheels. They had no affiliation with ATHF.

i think i remember those things. the arms would be inside and they would fold out and you could play with them, yeah, i remember them. but there was like a sandwich and stuff so it probably had nothing to do with ATHF. O and i think it was McDonalds anyway. The juggreserection 13:41, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

If you're thinking about what I think you're thinking about, it was McDonald's and it was a tie-in to Gobots or Transformers, not ATHF-related at all. Of course, we could be thinking of different toys, --71.238.123.232 (talk) 07:55, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Aqua Teen?
I have never heard ATHF referred to as Aqua Teen, only Aqua Teens, plural. I was going to just change the article but I figured I would ask for some kind of a consensus first. Anyone disagree? -Mike Payne (talk - contribs) 03:40, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I have never heard anyone refer to the show as "aqua teens" or "aqua teens hunger force." the characters (as etoile mentions below) may collectively be referred to as the "aqua teens."  the plural is never used to refer to the show, especially among "canon" sources like on cartoon network website, creator interviews, etc. editing it would be a very big mistake on your part.70.177.16.146 (talk) 00:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

They can be both —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

The show is called "Aqua Teen Hunger Force" but the opening theme song has the phrase "'cause we are the Aqua Teens" - so it would seem that the characters can be collectively referred to as Aqua Teens; the show itself is sometimes referred to as Aqua Teen. -Etoile (talk) 02:58, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I've heard the show called "Aqua Teen" for short, but only colloquially. --76.16.71.212 (talk) 08:53, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Abraham Lincoln?
Does anyone think that Abraham Lincoln should somehow be added to this article as he seems to show up or be mentioned in one way or another by the ATHF. I.E. ending credits, samarai lincoln, athf movie, I recall an episode where frylock builds a time machine and mantions they can go see Lincoln, and various other instances. It appears the characters or creators have a fascination with him. 66.239.36.110 16:47, 6 August 2007 (UTC)Erik 09:45, 6 August 2007 (PST)


 * No, unless a reference can be found -- which ideally would be an interview with the creators or an appropriate secondary source -- that demonstrates intent on the part of the writers that Abraham Lincoln and the show be associated with one another. Otherwise, it doesn't belong in the article because it amounts to unverified speculation in the minds of the show's viewers (see WP:V). To put it another way, what the writers put into an episode doesn't imply what they were actually thinking when they wrote it. You might be likely to go to them and say 'Are you aware that you made six references to Abraham Lincoln in the last season?' to which they might say 'Huh. Nope, I wasn't.' We don't know, because the question has never been asked and recorded by an appropriate source. Skybunny 20:27, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Go watch the movie. "Time Lincoln" as he is called shows up in the first 10 minutes.  (The sequence is probably a reference to the end credits sequence.)  Davethe3rd


 * That doesn't prove that "the characters or creators have a fascination with him," as the original poster was speculating. For that matter, the fact that this character appears in the movie does not demonstrate that "the sequence is probably a reference to the end credits sequence". The only thing that watching the movie proves is that the character was present in the movie - not the motivations for it being there. Works of fiction are narrative, and carry exactly as much meaning as the script as written. We cannot assume motivation for writing a particular thing simply by reading or seeing the work of fiction. Again, something written in a non-fiction interview or narrative from the writers of the series is needed to establish links like this.


 * A good read is the Wikipedia article WP:WAF, which discusses writing about fiction. Specifically: Using fictional material from the original work is fine, provided passages are short, are given the proper context, and do not constitute the main portion of the article. If such passages stray into the realm of interpretation, secondary sources must be provided to avoid original research. I would say that using the work of fiction itself to try to create links between other fictional works (like other episodes), or to try to figure out what the writers were thinking is interpretation in this context. Skybunny 18:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Frylock in Sealab
In Sealab 2021 episode "Predator". The solution to get rid of the monster was to become really fat, I think. If one looks closely at the assortment of food on the table, Frylock can be seen, (look for a box with french fries that looks like Frylock, maybe on the far corner). Shouldn't that be stated in the "Cameos and appearances" for this article? If someone has just seen or has any recoded source of the show's episode please check? I think I am right or wrong, just trying to better the article. Speaker180 13:04, 14 August 2007

Is this Necessary?
This sentence is in the description of Frylock:

"Of course, ATHF doesn't have any real continuity anyway..."

it sounds more like an opinion than a fact(even though its right in a way). should it be changed or removed? The juggreserection 13:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe This?
Should there be on the article about the plutonians and mooninites? They have been in numerous episodes and even had large parts in the movie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Driski555 (talk • contribs) 02:03, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that used to be there, but some folks who believe in brevity over actually providing facts took it upon themselves to hack away at this page and the pages associated with this one until we are left with the eviscerated carcass that you find before yourself when you type in "Aqua Teen Hunger Force". Yes, boys and girls, Wikipedia has bulimia; it injests good, wholesome information and then regurgitates it into the nearest commode and flushes it away.  Disgusting.  Highonhendrix (talk) 12:53, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


 * That has happened to lots of Wikipedia articles. I went to look at the Al Leong article, and someone deleted almost the whole thing. 76.104.45.99 (talk) 18:39, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Why the Dr. Weird openings were dropped
I talked to Jay Edwards and he said the reason the weird intros were dropped was because the writers were tired of doing them cause they were so hard to create ideas for, and when they finally created them, it put pressure on the animators to animate it quickly with a deadline that made it hard to finish in time.

Should we include this for the reason the Dr. Weird openings were dropped?

Rob hendershott 19:15, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Longest Running Series on Adult Swim
In the opening paragraphs, ATHF is cited as being the longest running series on adult swim. This is wrong despite the citation. Space Ghost Coast 2 Coast aired longer, AND has more episodes. I feel this needs to be changed, or at least something along the lines of "even though this source claims this is the longest running, SGC2C is longer," "longest running of current as shows," or something like that. Thoughts? Bobtheduck99 (talk) 03:13, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * SGC2C is not an adult swim show. It was created well before adult swim and any status as an adult swim show is fairly dubious because of both that and its "gametap" run.  To get into those kinds of specifics would just muddle up the simple truth with some excessive level of caveat.--  Oni Ookami Alfador Talk 16:59, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Spacecataz merger proposal
I am proposing that Spacecataz be merged here. The Spacecataz article is rather short, is completely unsourced, and I cannot find any verifiable sources for it. The information would fit nicely under the History section of this article. Kamek (talk) 03:50, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Decided to withdraw my proposal, Zachary found some good sources. Thanks! Kamek (talk) 19:31, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The only thing I couldn't remember is the episode which had the audio commentary which talked about Spacecataz. I'm pretty sure it was one of the Volume 4 DVDs, if someone has them handy and can check up on this, that would be great. —Zachary talk 20:10, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Already taken care of; it was from Little Brittle. I shoulda looked at some more sources before proposing the merger, but maybe I'm just paranoid. Kamek (talk) 20:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Stargate? FARgate
In the Plutonians character description, mention is made of the fact that Ogelthorpe is using a "Stargate" to steal ATHF's cable. In fact, Ogelthorpe clearly mentions that it's not a Stargate, but a "Fargate," ostensibly to avoid any copyright entanglements with the "Stargate" movie. The dialog:

Oglethorpe: We have successfully traveled eons across both space and time through the fargate to get free cable! Emory: I think it's a Stargate. Oglethorpe: It's the Fargate. 'F.' It's different from that movie that I have never seen.. so how would I copy it? Emory: Chill, man. Let's just turn it on. Oglethorpe: I just want to make sure that it's the fargate. Goes far, get it? And there's just no way it came from the movie or that syndicated series based on the movie. Emory: But it sure was a good movie. Oglethorpe: Ya, yes it was.

68.62.177.66 (talk) 05:54, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Character lists
Why did we bring back the character lists? There isn't enough real-world information to support these lists, and they're just going to get redirected again.  Kamek  (Koopa wizard!) 18:42, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Pistachio?
I know the DANGERDOOM says Shake shoots pistachio, but in a commentary on a DVD, Matt and Dave say he shoots lime. --Ignitetheairwaves85 (talk) 00:11, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas Past
Shouldn't he be mentioned as he appeared multiple times on the show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.64.213 (talk) 22:37, 16 July 2008 (UTC) no, the mooninites and plutonians are the only relevant enimies on the show (also maybe mc pee pants) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.130.193.153 (talk) 02:27, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Furries
the episode "hoppy bunny" criticizes the furry lifestyle. It may only be a mild criticism, but the episode does mention indirectly that furryfandom is a "religion." it also references the essentially purely sexual nature of interest furryfandom. the unicorn character is seen with a wet spot on his/her crotch and performs sexually suggestive body movements. meatwad then notes that frylock should "work his way up to the unicorn" as if referring to having the furries as sexual partners. To add to this FACT, hoppy bunny calls Carl's bedroom "the pleasure chamber." to add to the criticism, they even have a character that references "diaperfur" --> the panda character is seen holding his/her crotch in a manner reminiscent of someone who has to urinate. this type of "pose" is actually seen in diaperfur art. basically, the ATHF people are criticizing the furryfandom by comparing them to the ATHF characters, and showing them as being much more insane and deranged (they are seen to responsible or involved with the recorder that has taken over Carl's body). this is not something that needs its own section, but maybe a trivia entry along the lines of "the ATHF episode "hoppy bunny" criticizes furries by mocking their almost "religious" interest in the fandom and noting its sexual basis."70.177.16.146 (talk) 00:45, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * So what? 64.7.147.88 (talk) 16:40, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * no original research. preferably no opinionated speculation either. even if they DID hurt your feelings.198.53.8.30 (talk) 19:19, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Transition from Dr. Weird to Spacecataz
The article says season 3, but I'm quite certain by the DVDs that Season 3 has all Dr. Weird, but season 4 is all Spacecataz. I'm about to edit the main page. Sorry if I'm mistaken. Wardrich (talk) 07:58, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The DVD volumes and the seasons do not line up. See the section at the top of this page labeled "Season Information" or whatever. (→ Zachary ) 12:22, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup
Began some cleanup on the article. Trimmed down the main character entries to remove excessive details and crufty bits. More to come ... DP 76764 (Talk) 17:54, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Frylock's Gender/Sexuality
Is it worth adding to Frylock's section his at least ambiguous if not multi-LGBT identity (while sections of the show keep it ambiguous with Freudian slips suggesting homosexuality, femininity, or just overt BDSM submissiveness--which is not always female in nature but is commonly construed as such--in the movie he states that he's a woman in a man's body & a lesbian on Oprah)? While it is not a focus of his character, it is surprising & quite progressive for a show to include a character who can not only get things done but is one set in a cast of bumblers as someone who is also LGBT. Giovnni (talk) 12:25, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * given the nature of the entire show, it's my opinion that these kind of things are either done for pure toilet humor (refering specifically to frylock's bondage suit), or satire. the mere notion that anyone would try to take a show like ATHF seriously, especially in terms of social or political (read: sexuality in media) commentary, I find very amusing, and I'm sure Willis and Maiellaro would, too (watch their boston bomb scare press conference if you want some insight to how seriously they take social issues). I don't mean this as offense or to belittle your ideas, I'm just saying that if you want thought provoking social commentary, ATHF is the wrong place to look. It's a cartoon about magical fast food, ffs (lets not even get into the specifics of what sexuality could possibly even mean in regards to a hovering box of fries!)198.53.8.30 (talk) 19:27, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

ATHF in High Definition?
Are the new episodes now being made in HD now? Because the 2008, 2009 and probably future episodes are all letter boxed, (just like most shows made in HD) and are also remarkably more clearer and sharper then other episodes. If they are should that be mentioned some were in the article? --Grapesoda22 (talk) 04:24, 28 August 2009 (UTC)