Talk:Aqua Teen Hunger Force/Archive 1

"Minor" Characters
My stubby sections on mothmonsterman and the cybernetic ghost oCP were deleted. both these characters appear many times throughout the series; i think they're worth a mention. The Plutonians haven't even really been on more than them. There are also many other characters of this level, like oog and the trees (many of which were in "Last One"). Maybe a seperate page for these "minor" characters, if we conclude there are too many? - Urukagina

also the frat aliens

never mind, i didnt realize there was a list. ill be adding it to the main page under "see also" Urukagina

Seperate article for list of episodes?
Should we split off the List of Aqua Teen Hunger Force episodes to its own topic?

Note:
 * List of Curb Your Enthusiasm episodes
 * List of South Park episodes

I vote no, unless we're also going to create an entry for each show. DryGrain 13:37, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Origin{1}?
Has there ever been an origin of the ATHF revealed? I haven't seen all the episodes yet. I had assumed Dr. Weird created them at some point, especially considering the photo of Frylock with a younger Dr. Weird in Frylock's bedroom. Anyone know anything about this? Postdlf 20:25, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * But remember: just because there's a photo of Frylock and Dr. Weird doesn't mean that Dr. Weird created them. It is quite a stretch to infer that from a photo of the two. All it shows is that they knew each other &mdash; maybe they still do! 134.114.59.41 03:38, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Not officially. It's still speculation that Dr. Weird created them. I personally don't believe he did, though. As of yet, it would be inappropriate to say that he created them in the article, unless a disclaimer is put on it. ZJP 05:19, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

You know recently I had a funny thought that Dr. Wierd and Frylock procreated to have Shake and Meatwad. Though I subscribe to the theory that they were created by Dr.Wierd theres still room for speculation. --Ahmed Stephens 22:20, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Frylock does have that picture of he and a young Dr. Weird in his room, which means that Frylock knows of Dr. Weird's existance. It is doubtful that they procreated, however, because I think Frylock's a virgin. Dr. Weird of course isn't, having had sex with a lawnmower. ~ Resister 09:16, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Actually, the origin is told in the ending credits and has been aired on [adult swim] during bumps in the past. They created the sequences involving Abraham Lincoln and the man on the moon for that purpose. Possibly due to the fact that they knew there was a plot inconsistency and that was the easiest way to get around it for the time being. - fansite staff member

Actually, the new Aqua Teen Hunger Force movie that may be released next year (2006) is supposed to explain their origins. More can be read about the movie at http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271%7C93987%7C1%7C,00.html - Kamasutra 08:22, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

As an aside to that, before that news was ever announced (and the film is possibly heading toward a December release, rumoured to coincide with the next season of the show), the ending credit stills that were made by Ben Prisk were supposed to detail an origin because one was never initially written or devised at the time of the show's inception. - fansite staff member

When did they say the show takes place in Union, NJ? That's more North Jersey than south.

As the original story was supposed to be Dr.Weird creating a monster which the ATHF as a force was suppose to defeat... Now the story as veered off and it makes no sense but it could be that Dr.Weird created him and put the jewel in his back which gives him lightning abilities but after finding him useless he tried to kill him and he went to the asylum. The series was suppose to portray him trying to defeat frylock and the ATHF. - Fan

Origin{2}?
I didnt notice anything in the article explaining who created and/or creates the episodes. Matt Maiellaro and Dave Willis are credited as the creators and writers at the end credits. The article should get some info on these two and their history with the show.

Season 4 Episode Titles
The titles given for unaired episodes (such as the one airing tonight) seem to conflict with that of Yahoo! TV listings and ReplayTV. Are they confirmed somewhere? TrbleClef 01:49, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Nevermind. TrbleClef 23:44, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

MC P[ee] Pants
There seems to be a conflict regarding the proper spelling of MC P[ee] Pants. I changed it to MC P Pants after seeing it that way on the website, but it's been changed back so I did some more, er, research.


 * On the adultswim.com ATHF site, it is spelled "MC P Pants" on the episode guide and in the description of that episode.
 * During the episode, however, it is spelled "MC Pee Pants" on the poster on Meatwad's wall, and on his CD covers.

It was Pee, I had changed it to P a while back, now it's back to Pee. Which should it be? TrbleClef 08:13, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * The episode is named "MC P Pants." The rapper is named "MC Pee Pants." Probably so TV Guide wouldn't have to print the word "pee." MakeRocketGoNow 16:45, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * FWIW, both IMDB and TVTome list the episode and character as "MC Pee Pants". - KeithTyler 17:18, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)


 * It think they just made an easy-to-make mistake. The ATHF DVD set has the episode title as "MC P Pants" MakeRocketGoNow 19:01, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * User:MakeRocketGoNow... I don't know about that -- again, because in the episode synopsis at adultswim.com it refers to the rapper as "MC P Pants".


 * Sorry - I changed this but forgot to check here first.


 * The credits for the episode in question list the character as "MC Pee Pants". - KeithTyler 16:42, Sep 14, 2004 (UTC)


 * Also, in the ATHF Movie, MC Pee Pants is a fly. Should this be added? I have personally seen the movie at a private showing.

Plutonians
Perhaps an explanation of why being named after Universities in Atlanta is ironic would be in order? It just kind of dangles there as is...

I assume its because the AHTF guys are likely based in the Atlanta area...I'm not positive about that.

I doubt its truly ironic. The surrounding colleges in the area were admittedly sources of inspiration for their names but there is no real irony behind it all. Merely a prime example of possibly being strapped for name ideas and using resources that are close at hand in order to inspire ideas. - fansite staff member
 * I originally wrote that, and I figured at the time that having two of the dumbest characters on the show named after universities (especially fairly prestigious ones like Emory) was pretty ironic. It may well have been nothing (the ATHF creators are good at being random), but it seemed like a good fit at the time. -lee 17:04, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

I edited the entry to explain this, but it reverted back to original form (I admit, I don't know how the editing works). The characters are named after production assistant/editor John Brestan (who went to Emory) and his brother Matt (who went to Oglethorpe). The writers never met Matt, but they had an exaggerated version of his character based on several outlandish stories.

Mail Order Bride
On the description of this episode, it says Svetlana is from Chechnya, but on her character description, it says she's from Ukraine. I haven't seen the episode, so I can't know for sure. It would be nice if somene could check that out and fix it. I can't. – Kaonashi 05:45, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * In the episode itself, she was from Chechnya. If that helps. &#8212;No-One Jones (m) 03:57, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * I think that was my fault, and don't know how I got it wrong. Fixed. - KeithTyler 17:18, Oct 19, 2004 (UTC)

Oh, okay. I see it now. And I didn't even know it was moved to a different article. Thanks for clearing that. – Kaonashi 02:35, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Confirmation?
Can someone confirm the statement that ATHF already had a pilot produced before the Baffler Meal episode of Space Ghost was produced? The paragraph makes no sense. ATHF had a pilot, and after ATHF became popular, SG:C2C produced the Baffler Meal episode, and THEN after that episode aired, a full series of ATHF was produced. I don't get it. How could ATHF become popular as its own show before its first season was even made? It also doesn't follow other stories of the history (which are all pretty unofficial as well).


 * I don't know the full story, but it's my understanding that the Baffler Meal episode was written as an idea for a Space Ghost show, but initially rejected and therefore not actually produced until after ATHF became a separate show. You're right that that paragraph could use some clarification.   &mdash;Triskaideka 15:48, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * If that's true, I would think the episode would have been made such that the Baffler Meal characters on Space Ghost would have been closer to their ATHF characters on their own show, but they're not (except perhaps Meatwad). They don't look, act or sound like their ATHF versions. (Baffler Meal Shake sounds more like Ignignokt!) I dunno, the stated version of events just doesn't pass the smell test. Especially considering we're talking about two shows made by the same production company (Williams Street)! Now, I could believe that the episode was produced, but not aired, before ATHF became a series. That would make quite a bit more sense. - KeithTyler 17:15, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)


 * I think it was intentional that they didn't update the characters' look and personalities. I think that's part of the joke. They would have had to completely rewrite the episode to do it, anyway.  seems to support this version of events, although of course it's not an authoritative source. At any rate, I don't know that this is a vital detail within the scope of this article.   &mdash;Triskaideka 17:49, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * Truth is, the Space Ghost episode existed in rough formats, as was told in the second volume DVD commentary. The "Baffler Meal" episode was initially the pitch for the show but since Space Ghost: Coast to Coast had come to a halt at that time (as it was prone to doing, due to rises and falls in ratings throughout its tenure on the network), the greenlight was given for a rough pilot episode of the actual Aqua Teen Hunger Force show instead. It is most noticeable by ways of the constant changes, not just in the "Baffler Meal" episode but through much of the first season of Aqua Teen Hunger Force as well.

Carl
In Mail Order Bride, Carl clearly says his name as "Brotanananaluski". There's no "D". - KeithTyler 20:10, Oct 19, 2004 (UTC)


 * Yes there is, since it can be seen clearly on Carl's driver's license in Remooned. TrbleClef 21:16, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * That's exactly my point of bringing that up. - KeithTyler 21:45, Oct 19, 2004 (UTC)
 * If I were Carl, I would not be able to pronounce my own name. ( &mdash; siro &chi;  o  23:48, Oct 19, 2004 (UTC)
 * (Old news I know but)I have updated this to reflect the subtitles in "Mail Order Bride" for now. I'm going to take another look at the remooned episode though.  If they do conflict, it probably would be best to take the actual footage as canon over the subtitles, but it would probably serve well to note conflicting reports.-- Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk 06:23, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * In the most recent carl name mentioned episode, "carl" in the year book, it reads "Brutananadilewski" Jackpot Den 15:03, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Meat Bridge
Someone made the phrase "meat bridge" into a link, but meat bridge just redirects back to this same article. Is anyone really going to write an article about the meat bridge, which only appeared in one scene in one episode? I am removing the link for now. --Mr2001 10:10, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * A: Thank you. B: yes, someone is going to write an article about the meat bridge; the only reason that page redirects here is because someone already wrote that article, complete with image. Fancruft knows no limits. . . &#8212;No-One Jones 13:19, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

"Mastershake"
I suppose my revert of this edit should have a word of explanation, so here it is: googlefight. &#8212;Charles P. (Mirv) 04:57, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Meatwad's Age
Is Meatwad a child? There's no mention of it in the article (just that he is "dumb as hell") but there are many references throughout the show to him being a child, as much as a piece of meat can be a child (such as Frylock suggesting he's "too young" to do some things.) This is also supported by the fact that he's not a full fast food item-- presumably he is a preliminary state of a hamburger.

However, I don't have any specific quotes or proof so I'm not going to edit it into the article. Still, I think it bears mention because someone not familiar with the show would get the impression he's a slow adult from this article. --nichie 02:35, May 15, 2005 (UTC)

Trying to pin down whether Meatwad is a child or not is pretty much impossible, since the show has no sense of continuity whatsoever. At best, he's less mature than either Shake or Frylock, which is saying something. But in "Spirit Journey Formation Anniversary" he says his age is 56. So who knows? --MrCheshire

Edit- He actually says he's 55 on that episode. On the robositter episode he says that he cannot get a job because that would be a violation of child labor laws meaning he isn't allowed to work more than 20 hours a week because he is under the age of 18. There is no real solid proof of how old he is, maybe the only semi proof would be the number of candles on his cake on Spirit Journey Formation Anniversary.

I propose that he is underage in human years (ie. he is a youth for his 'species', or has existed for less than 18 years) and 55 is 'sentient foodstuff years' (ie. his under-18 age translates to 55, or he has existed for 55 years which is a youthful sentient foodstuff.) AKismet 17:55, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

ATHF References on SportsCenter
Where would be the best place to reference the fact that Sportscenter anchors (mostly Stuart Scott, but I've heard others say it) have a habit of using lines from ATHF?


 * Got any proof of this?EAB 00:04, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Characters section needs some pruning
I think the characters section has become way too bloated. A lot of the content is stuff that has just appeared in a single episode, and really reads more like a spoiler of that episode than useful biographical information about the characters. If consensus is to keep all this stuff, the spoiler warning should at least be moved up. -- Norvy (talk) 14:32, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I took a stab at cleaning it up. -- Norvy (talk) 02:17, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Wow, you cut out a lot. It reads better, though I think some deleted things are worth keeping (Shake's lesser powers, for instance). --Tarnas 05:56, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, the exploding items bit is "more likely a result of the massive quantities of unstable cloned materials in the house rather than any power within Shake's control. see 'The Cloning'". I think that this could be described in the cloning, but not in shake's section.  His shake spurting power reads pretty good to me now, actually.  -- Norvy (talk) 05:39, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I just saw that, I guess it does make sense that the cloning causes easy explosions. --Tarnas 06:21, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * But there is also a point where shake threatens carl to not claim to be an object, as shake destroyed several objects of carls, listing 3 or 4 things of his that he made explode, so i belive that it is indeed a power of shakes. - Mancubus

Super Milk Chan reference
This is my first time in discussion, so I am going to give it a test run here.

Earlier, I added two references that are close to shake: Eric Cartman, and Super Milk Chan. The reason for the latter is that


 * He treats his friends Frylock and Meatwad just as Milk treats Tetsuko.
 * He doesn't have any REAL superpowers other than throwing things and making them explode and shooting green slime out of his straw, whereas she doesn't have any REAL superpowers as well.
 * Not even a real hero (either one)!
 * It's just like the Big Lebowski! Frylock is The Dude, Shake is Walter, and Meatwad is Donnie! No, let's not let this grow into a comparison between comedic characters.-- Norvy (talk) 05:39, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm, let's include all manifestations of the classic three-man dynamic! You've all got it wrong -- Frylock is Moe, Shake is Curly, and Meatwad is Larry. Or is Frylock Groucho, Shake Chico, and Meatwad Harpo? Perhaps Meatwad is Fagin, Shake is the Artful Dodger, and Meatwad is Oliver Twist. Gar, my brain hurts now. Did I get them all yet? :P - Keith D. Tyler &para; 18:57, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree we shouldnt compare them, but ive got one. Get Fuzzy: Shake=Bucky, Meadwad=Satchel (spl?), and frylock=rob. - Urukagina 10/23/05
 * We shouldn't require readers to chase multiple obscure references to understand the article. Shake's character can be described well enough without comparing him to anyone else. Note also that the phrasing of the most recent "Cartman" edit inaccurately suggests that Eric Cartman is "a rude, mean-spirited, and self-centered white cup with a pink straw sticking out of his lid."
 * I am not suggesting that at all. I mean that Shake acts just like him directly. Besides, I was notified several days ago that it was a decent comparison. --Seishirou Sakurazuka 00:54, 27 July 2005 (UTC)


 * It is also a matter of opinion to say that any character behaves just like another. Arguments can be made regarding the differences and similarities between characters, but I don't think the article is the place for them. It might also be worth considering that such comparisons could be taken as insulting suggestions that the Aqua Teens are consciously patterned after characters from other animated shows. --DrunkenMonkey 09:15, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Such as what? --Seishirou Sakurazuka 00:55, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * There's just no need for comparisons. --TheMidnighters 01:59, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

mooninites special powers
wouldn't the failed jumping really high power fit in their discription? IreverentReverend 03:50, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I dunno, doesn't cataloging every minor thing they've ever done kind of ruin it as a character overview? Looking at it again, I'm not even sure the laser power is that important.  -- Norvy (talk) 05:39, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

also I think it should be mentiond that the laser seems to transport people to the moon

Should episode summaries contain opinion?
The summary for Season 2, Episode 34 (The Broodwich) begins, "Considered by many ATHF fans to be the greatest Episode ever."

Couldn't that be said for every episode?

I'm sure fans all have their favorites, and "The Broodwich" doesn't strike me as particularly greater or lesser than any other episode. "Super Model," on the other hand, contained atypical character development for Frylock and Meatwad, which clearly makes it the Greatest Episode Ever. :D

It may be best to limit the episode summaries to episode events. Thoughts? —DrunkenMonkey
 * Definitely, away with such subjective fanboying. --TheMidnighters 04:01, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the input, TheMidnighters, I'll delete the offending line. —DrunkenMonkey 22:26, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

No encyclopedic article should contain opinion if it can help it. But on the other hand, popular opinion is encyclopedic -- if you can back up an indication of that popular opinion other than your own personal assessment. For example, if you can prove it somehow, you could say "among the highest-rated episodes" or "among the most-requested episodes", etc. But you have to back it up -- say with data from Adult Swim or some reliable media reference. The more explicit you are about what you're saying, the better ("the most popular episode to date, according to Rolling Stone", for example). - Keith D. Tyler &para; 18:53, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

BLASPHEMY!!!
Last night on Space Ghost Coast to Coast, all of the cast of the ATHF (Except Carl) was there to make surprise guests, but instead, what surprised me was that the ATHF didn't look like the way they used to. Master Shake didn't act so mean as a bully but still runs his mouth, Frylock didn't have the jewel on his back and uses two fry legs to walk and doesn't act so seriously, and Meatwad...he sounds the same, but he doesn't look so. What happened?? Did Space Ghost get Gypped and got these loser fakes instead of the real ones, or couldn't afford to have the real ones over? This is BLASPHEMY! --Seishirou Sakurazuka 13:40, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Those were probably the original characters, the "Baffler Meal", prior to the creation of ATHF proper. See the pre-season episode guide in the article. --Tarnas 20:36, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I think that was meant to be the cast members as themselves doing a talk show, as opposed to when they are "in character" on the show. - Laszlo Panaflex 10:24, August 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * The episode you are talking about was supposed to air in 1999 or early 2000, but the show's creators didn't get to it until 2003. --Anonymous, 13:25, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Changing Meatwad's voice was blasphemous! 05:24, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Fanboys?
Isn't it a bit scary that this little twelve minute bit of self indulgent TV has as much time, effort, and detailed knowledge dedicated to it as, say, the Star Trek article? Kaz 07:13, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

No, it's scarier that you are so concerned with Star Trek. Seriously, go edit the Star Trek page if it's such a big deal.

Star Trek is important, guys. Really.

In all fairness... Minus Shatner's strained speech, random evironmental beeping, suspenseful chords, pregnant pauses, and tediously prolonged attention to whiz-bang technological advances, there's probably as much going on in an ATHF episode than in a Trek episode. And I like both.

...OK, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but the point is that ATHF is denser than it might seem. - Keith D. Tyler &para; 21:14, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Frylock and Dr. Weird?
In one of the episodes yesterday I noticed in Frylock's room that he has a portrait of him and a young Dr. Weird, because I recognize his suit, but with brown hair and more youthful. Was he friends with him, and what happened that made him turn evil? This was from the one of Meatwad winning the Super Bowl tickets. This could be used for a new season. --Seishirou Sakurazuka 04:17, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The poster has been in his room and never been explained along with the gem on his back. Both have had much speculation, but the movie should shed some official light on some people's unanswered questions. --Kamasutra 05:47, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

New Episodes?
Does anyone know if new episodes will be coming out any time soon?

friday nights on teletoon


 * October 2006 on [AS], check the site. I'm guessing you live in...Canada?EAB 21:29, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

New Episodes came out about 3weeks ago in America Eulric

neighbor and landlord
Carl is the landlord? what? verify please? SchmuckyTheCat 17:48, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

No. Why the heck would he be?

Yep, he sure is :-) Here are a few links, just search for the word "landlord" (select edit, then find on this page in Internet Explorer) to take you to the correct part in each: Link 1 Link 2 Link 3 Link 4Link 5 Link 6 Link 7 (Cardsplayer4life 05:47, 1 October 2005 (UTC))


 * Although there are several links, they all look like blog entries, and aren't necessarily canon. What episode says he is their landlord? -- Norvy (talk) 06:01, 1 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Carl wants them gone. If he were landlord, he would have evicted them by now. And their general treatment of the house...the shake-shaped door, for example...implies that they're owners. Kaz 16:21, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Carl is not the landlord (per Kazvorpal) but they are definately not owners. The 'birthday song' episode states this explicitly when Master Shake puts the house up for sale, and Frylock admonishes him that they don't even own the house. - C HAIRBOY (?) 16:45, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Although it's clearly stated they're not the owners, its hilarious how they have no qualms about trashing the place. (i.e. the house burns down a couple of times) -

Fonzie Fan 23 October 2005

Carl's House
Ever notice that in one episode, the sidin on carl's house is melted when the aqua teens burn his lawn, but in the babysitting episode and the clowning, the house is carved into / eaten away as if it were wood?--Alfador 19:36, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Cleanliness and Godliness
I swept through and did some spelling/format/grammar checks here and there. Paragraphs now have breaks in them, some misspellings have been corrected (the one's I saw) and "theories" and "probably"'s are now gone. Since speculation has no place in a wiki fact article. TotalTommyTerror 18:57, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Fansite Inclusions In External Links
Okay, clearly two users are going into a silent editing war, regardless of whether they are interconnected to the sites that keep shuffling in the list.

I remember coming to this article about three months ago and the only fansite in the links list was Aqua Teen Central. I come around here now and I see Aqua Teen Adventures seemingly put in the light of promotion vanity alongside the other fansite.

So, there should be some consensus as to whether either site (both, one or none at all) belong there since their inclusions seem as if the owners are hungry for hits to their site and it is sickening to see such displays like that in an encyclopedic article.


 * We don't need fansites being promoted here. It's just some kids hungry for hits like you said.  If they keep insisting on promoting their own work then we should seek to ban them.  Wiki is for facts, not for self promotion.  TotalTommyTerror 14:25, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * That is a fair assessment, especially given that both sites seem to turn up in Google searches and at least one claims to have over a million hits, so they obviously draw in hits on their own without the promotion here. They are notable in terms of related content and information, even though they seemingly share similar content, but there is no way to properly include either one without someone affliated with the sites in any way trying to put them in a promotional light and that detracts heavily from the article itself.

Distribution
A note about the lack of European (and elsewhere?) release might be nice, given that ATHF has a worldwide following due to file sharing. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.111.250.9 (talk &bull; contribs).


 * -It was screened in the UK for a short while by a defunct spinoff Cartoon network channel called CNX. Magic Pickle 14:21, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Plato and the soul, brutha
What is this business about "the trio symbolize the three components of Plato's concept of the soul" ??? Who suggested this, and where? This is silly.... (unsigned by anon)

"It has been suggested that the trio symbolize the three components of Plato's concept of the soul."

I removed that line. Please WP:Verify the "it has been suggested" from a reputable source that isn't a blog or essay for TV in Pop Culture 102 class. SchmuckyTheCat 00:32, 7 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry I put that in there. It was suggested to me by a distinguished professor of philosophy over lunch. You gotta admit, they pretty much are the appetite, the intellect, and the spirit. But I promise I won't do it again. --MarkO 22:44, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * If he's distinguished maybe the opinion is worth putting in wikipedia. Source it somehow, and decide. SchmuckyTheCat 22:51, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Personally, my guess is no. Unless said professor of philosophy wants to publish an academic paper outlining his point of view, it pretty much remains something said over lunch. Skybunny 12:49, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

How come on some of the season 4 episodes, Lazza isn't credited, but he now is again?

Lyrics
Incase you need to look it up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kWqL9JGSII&search=aqua%20teen Squiggyfm 02:04, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

The line is and Ice on my fingers and my toes and I'm a Taurus, not Ice on my fingers and my toes and my toys. [as] ran a promo several months ago with an older white man saying the lyrics with a dancer in the background. It was quite clear and several other website have published these lyrics.Squiggyfm 04:25, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I can't find an authoritative source for these lyrics. In addition to the above contributor's, I've seen plausible alternatives such as want a drink, I'll bring it to ya Meatwad you up next work it out now Are the lyrics actually spelled out somewhere by the writers or producers, or are we all just pulling our interpretations out of thin air? As you may have discovered, listening to the theme song dozens of times in a row only makes things more confusing. As an aside, doesn't this stuff belong on Wikisource? When I first posted the ATHF lyrics up there, somebody edited them to sound-alikes within a day. --Pontifex 00:27, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd say the closest thing to an authoritative source right now is the DVD subtitles. I don't feel like checking them all right now, but I know Volume Four has them for the intro. Despite two spelling errors (mike/mic & homeys/homies), the lyrics listed in the article are consistent with the subtitles aside from minor discrepancies such as spelling out the number "one". However, while the subtitles should generally be authoritative enough, they aren't even fully consistent between episodes. The differences are minor though such as capitalization of "Zula". The ones listed in the article seem accurate enough to me, so I won't bother. It is really too minor to worry about. --Kamasutra 06:23, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * For the record, I wouldn't consider either version of mike/mic or homeys/homies to be a "spelling error", since both are hip-hop slang, which really has no central authoritative body that decides what spelling is "correct" for such terms. Yes, we all know that "mic" is short for "microphone", but it's pronounced like "mike" and sometimes gets spelled "mike", and this spelling was even used in song titles on a few rap albums in the mid 80s.  As for homeys/homies, the term is a shortform of homeboy and/or homegirl, which in itself is slang.  I would think it would be rather difficult to claim one single "correct" spelling for a shortform of a slang term.  - Ugliness Man 13:43, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * This is obviously going nowhere. This is a typical discrepancy between a television show's fans who can't agree on something so simple and trite. Let's not turn into Trekkies, please. We all know that the internet and especially Wikipedia are loaded with misinformation.
 * I personally believe the line is "...and all my toys" NOT "...and I'm a Taurus". I would swear by this just based on listening to Schoolly D; it's not that difficult. He says toys. One of Meatwad's trademarks are his toys! Nowhere is it mentioned in the show that Meatwad's astrological sign is Taurus. He's driving in his car, but I bet it's not a Ford Taurus. It simply makes more sense to have ice (meaning "bling") on his fingers, ice on his toes, and ice on his toys, as he has put flash on his toys.
 * Even though I believe it is toys not taurus, I do not ignore the relevant evidence either. Yes, the promo had him saying "and I'm a Taurus". Yes, many websites say it's "and I'm a Taurus". Yes, the singer of the band on Disc 1 of Vol. 2 says "and I'm a Taurus". If all these sources are the definative word, then by all means the line is "and I'm a Taurus". They are not, however. Until we hear from Matt Maiellaro, Dave Willis, Mike Lazzo, Jay Edwards, Keith Crofford, or Schoolly D... it's just not certifiable. I tried looking through the scripts, but I can't find any written words for the intro song.
 * Vol. 1, Vol. 2, and Vol. 3 do not provide DVD captions for the intro song. However, if you turn on Closed Captioning on your television it will display all spoken words, including the intro lyrics. The captioning is provided by Warner Bros. Vol. 4 does provide its own DVD captions for the intro song, and does not provide Closed Captions.
 * So far, there is insufficient evidence to rule one way or the other. For example:
 * -Vol. 1, the Closed Captions for every episode say "and I'm a Taurus".
 * -Vol. 2, the Closed Captions for Episodes 1, 2, 3, 6, 10, 11, 12 say "and I'm a Taurus." But Episodes 4, 5, 7, 8, and 9 say "and all my toys."
 * -Vol. 3, the Closed Captions for Episodes 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, and 13 say "and I'm a Taurus." But Episode 3 says "and all my toys." Episode 10 has no intro music. The reasoning behind Episode 3 being the only one with "toys" might be due to when the episode was written vs. when it was actually aired; i.e. it should be grouped with Vol. 2 episodes that say toys, but it was aired later, and thus put on the next available volume, even though it was written earlier.
 * -Vol. 4, the DVD Subtitles for all Episodes say "and I'm a Taurus".
 * Things get lost in translation. We all have professional audio CDs that contain lyric booklets. These professionally made, legally released lyrics are reprinted with permission. And a lot of the time, the lyrics in these booklets are not what the artist is saying. And yet, the lyrics are straight from the horse's mouth. That still doesn't make them right just because it's printed in official form (such as the "Old Guy" promo where he says Taurus, rather than what Schoolly D might have said.
 * Since this appears to be such an "important" issue, I will post what I have found concerning the discrepancy in lyrics per episode on the article page for ATHF. --Wilhelm Screamer 16:10, 16 February 2006 (PST)

Addendum: the posting of the lyrics are in violation of Wikipedia's policy regarding copyright. And, it's "ice on my fingers and my toes and on my toys..." - The One and Only 20:02, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Except its not. I just watched the video promotion with the "old guy" 5 times to make sure, and he clearly says Taurus.  Seeing how this is a promotional material made with direct oversight from the producers (which subtitles usually are not) it should be considered closest to canon in the matter. Something tells me the purpose of that promo was actually to clear up the misconceptions about the lyrics.-- Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk 06:59, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

It's Taurus, and I have proof archived from an old AS bumper:

Requires Quicktime 6

Alleged Freudian element
Some have made the suggestion that the ATHF represent the three-part consciousness of Sigmund Freud: Ego, Superego, and Id. This was in the article at some point, but was removed. I think rightly so. While it may be an interesting discussion, within the context of Freudian theory I just don't think it works. Web accounts even as to which element of consciousness each character represents. No way could it be justified enough to claim that it was somehow intended. If someone has knowledge of the creators' intent, which would be interesting but not definitive, or would like to lay out a theory, we should hear it. Otherwise it's rather distracting and pointless. They're characters, not alligorical symbols. mike 01:23, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

They very well could be. But it doesn't matter because its original research anyway. -- Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk 05:34, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Wayne Gretzky (NOT Samurai Lincoln) image
The image of Wayne Gretzky (NOT Samurai Lincoln) was removed because of its uncertain copyright status. Could someone find an appropriate image? 134.114.59.41 03:13, 24 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Isn't it fair use? Lumaga 18:24, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Fair use is not a sufficient copyright status on its own. Please See Image copyright tags. It ineeds to be tagged as fair use under a given circumstance, which is what all those tags available for images are there for.  It could be considered fair use of a screenshot from a telivisions series, for which I believe the tag is Tv-screenshot.  People need to understand that simply claiming fair use without a specific rationale is just going to get the image deleted in the long run.  -- Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk 19:39, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Dancing is forbbiden

"Remooned": Carl on the moon
To 70.17.154.193:

Carl was shot with the Mooninite's laser gun and then his head and moustache were shaved. He woke up later in the episode, seemingly unharmed. The episode ends with Ignignokt giving Frylock the finger from outer space ("Quiet Err, I'm transmitting rage."). At no point was Carl ever on the moon. --Bk0 (Talk) 00:20, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Meatwad's voice
His voice must have been changed at some point in the show. I've really only seen the episodes from the first DVD where he has the child-like voice. I recently saw a later episode where his voice seems lower (WTF?! His voice was better before they changed it.) Someone care to mention this in the article? 134.114.59.41 07:49, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Not worth mentioning. Its the same voice actor. The first season for all intents may as well have been a long serious of works in progress. They experimented with the characters quite a bit and they simply developed the way they handled them a little.-- Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk 05:34, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Frylock's Powers
According to the article, "Frylock possesses several supernatural powers (whether these are inate, or derived from some external source, has never been explained)." But further down it references a New Year's party segment. I remember that at one point at the party he tells one of the other characters that the jewel on his back is the source of them. Does anyone else remember anything about that or have clips of it? Fio Vaya 05:05, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Edit- The source of his powers is his gem sort of. This is only conjecture but on "The Visible Frylok" poster Frylok has there are "ray tubes" on the top of his head which are thought to draw in either solar or some form of cosmic ray into the gem to convert the energy for use in his powers.

Aqua Teen Hunger Force Movie
does anyone have information on the movie? Is it coming out in theatres? Is it just a rumour?

Yes, a movies coming out

I saw a screening of it over the summer, and let's just say if you like the tv show, you'll really want to see the movie. But of course you want to see it; you're reading this page, aren't you?

[Adult Swim]

Finger
Was the episode where Ignignokt enlarges his middle finger so people from earth can see it from the episode where The Mooninites use this magic belt to do stuff do the characters such as give Frylock double vision and infect Carl? I think the end had Ignignokt doing this.

Cheesia


 * He lengthened his finger but without the aid of the Foreigner belt. It also wasn't visible from Earth. 02:59, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, his finger was lengthened because he was "doing it as hard as he [could]". Not really a super power in any way. --Gribby 22:00, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Shake and explosions.
This does not necessarily have to do with the cloner. It happens to plenty of objects not from their house as well. In any case there is not decisive evidence either way and to say that it is a power of shake's or a result of the cloner exclusively would be an assumption. If a fact is uncertain it needs to noted as such. Otherwise it is simply a violation of WP:NOR or Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk 23:26, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Atari Burial Ground
In regards to the portion of the article on the Mooninites "The characters were originally inspired by the rumor that millions of unsold E.T. video game cartridges for the Atari 2600 were buried somewhere in the desert." The E.T. catridges are not a rumor- they're located in Alamogordo, New Mexico. reference: wikipedia.com entry for Alamogordo New Mexico —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gribby (talk • contribs)

First, please sign your comments. Second, other wikipedia articles do not ever qualify as references for another article's information (WP:CITE). The only possible exception is to use a simmilar article to find an established trend on how to present certain information. At no time is wikipedia to cite itself (or any other wiki for that matter) as a reference. -- Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk 23:08, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for my mistakes. I live in Alamogordo and I will try to get more info from the city next week and hopefully I will be able to get some facts together. Thanks for your help.--Gribby 21:56, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Reasons why Cybernetic Ghost is not to be mentioned here.
First off, the Collective episode with Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday is not to be included in an episode count when comparing the recurrence of characters. Nearly every "villian" who had been present in one episode previous to that episode was featured. Also, the turkitron episode should probably not count either. While a simmilar character, who may even be the same depending on how one interprets the Thanksgiving episode, he is not explicitly the same character, and is under a different identity and name. Someone mentioned 3 episodes in their edit summary. Unless I am missing something that brings it down to one. Even if I am, two.-- Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk 20:47, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * From what I remember, that character appeared in a) the original Cybernetic Ghost episode, b) "The Last One" (Monday Tuesday Wednesday ...), c) the latest 'movie preview' episode. He appears to be a recurring character, at least as much as MC Pee Pants/Sir Loin/Little Brittle who has appeared in only one more episode than Cybernetic Ghost. --Bk0 (Talk) 00:02, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Like I said, its pointless to even consider the "The Last One" in anyone's episode counts, as it contains virtually every minor character that had been seen up to that point. Also, while he may occur almost as frequently, he is not as influential or notable.  MC Peepants has popped up in various references in online communities including adult swim itself.  That being said, while it would seem to me to be fine the way it is, if anything, it would be better to migrate MCP to the minor characters article then to bring Cybernetic Ghost up. -- Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk 20:48, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I still don't see any objective evidence to support your claim that this character isn't as "influential or notable". Vague 'online communities' are irrelevant and I haven't seen any lists of references by Adult Swim. If this is anything more than your personal opinion I'd be interested to hear the justification. --Bk0 (Talk) 00:09, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * If we remove the Cybernetic Ghost from the character listings, we may as well hastily remove MCP, the Plutonians, and the Mooninites since they do not appear in every episode of ATHF. He still maintains some significance as the others do.--71.29.27.23 16:15, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Mooninites
The Mooninites section is ridiculously long. Own article? Serious editing? or Both? aww 20:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd say 'serious editing'. The section amounts to almost complete episode summaries, or, one could say, 'Everything they've ever said and done', most of which isn't noteworthy to a section discussing 'Other characters in a show'. I reduced the section on 'Steve' by about 2/3rds simply by removing lengthy, repetitive discussion of "what he's done", leaving "who he is". Skybunny 13:16, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Attributes all characters share or running joke?
I was BOLD and added the following paragrap under the title of characters

"Characters

One of the reoccuring jokes in ATHF is that the non human characters have no idea what sort of species the other belong to, shown in several episodes. For example, In the Video episode, frylock has difficulty describing what Master shake is, in the J word episode, car says "so there's going to be one more of you animals around eh?" and the moonanites refer to the plutonians as "farm animals""

Should this be moved? Jackpot Den 14:07, 2 June 2006 (UTC) (i forgot to sign, sorry)

I think where it was was fine, except that it's not really a recurring joke. The Mooninites and Carl are simply insulting those they don't like, and Frylock was simply stumped. Also, please edit closely and watch for typos with new entries. aww 20:55, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I guess not, but have they ever known what sort of species each other actually were? Despite being close friends, they do not understand what each other are, and I think it adds to the humour of the show. some examples would be in the Gee whizz episode, the one where frylock is trying to get meatwad into a "better" church, as well as the ones I mentioned above. I'd rather not start a rever war, and keep this place for peaceful discussion (edit : There also needs to be a running jokes/ trivia section added,like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpsons#Recurring_jokes ) Jackpot Den 14:07, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I was about to post in Video Oija he says "and whatever the hell master shake is"

Video Game
Who put up that video game reference, it sounds awsome but there is no source for the rumor.

DVD Box Set Four hidden feature
This is hardly worth mentioning, but since I've yet to see anyone reference this anywhere, there's an Easter egg on Vol. 4, on the first DVD. Going into the Language menu, then select continue. It brings up a screen with website information, and a brief legal statement (all characters copyright and such). On a computer, click the "e" on the second occurrence of "Aqua Teen Hunger Force" (written in green) and it brings up a 70 second clip of a repeating sound bite and motion, mostly blacked out, that appears to be Carl having sex with a hooker on his couch. Using a standard DVD player remote the option can be reached by pushing the left arrow twice, highlighting the "e." I'm leaving it up to someone else as to whether or not this is worth including in the Wiki article.Worloq 09:58, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Too Many Links
Is it me, or are there an abundance of links to other articles here? Everytime I scroll down it's like an onslaught of words with blue bars under them. I know we should link people to things like "Sealab 2021" but do they really need to be linked to "theme song" or "Brain"? It's like every noun is a link.

Just to make things easier on the eyes.....EAB 00:23, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

New Longer Running Time
Can anyone explain where the "20-22 minutes" running time given for the upcoming season 5 comes from? The "Deleted Scenes" episode from last fall was that length, but I haven't read anything about that becoming the new norm.

CULT TELIVISION?

Um, as far as I can tell this show is incredibly popular. There is a difference between being a good show and being a good show that has a small audience of dedicated fans.