Talk:BYD Company

Complete list of subsidiaries
"BYD has a number of subsidiaries, including BYD Auto. The following is an incomplete list.[2] A more exhaustive list can be found here." And here link to a Texan website where we can not found the list full. http://www.ettexas.com/postings/affilNotice.asp I do not even see what is the relation with the article. I removed it. --Lawren00 (talk) 08:01, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

public or private?
the article's opening paragraph says the company is privately-owned, but a later statement is made about the company's H shares being publicly traded. is this company public or private? beej (talk) 01:56, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Private company is contrast with state-owned company, and it is also a public company on HK stock exchange market. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.67.131 (talk) 18:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: he's basically saying the company is not state-owned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.77.145 (talk) 16:42, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Social Responsibility?
The social responsibility section added on 24 June 2009 doesn't seem to be NPOV. It also cites no references, and is posted by a username "BYDWebsite". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.113.71 (talk) 15:45, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

There are too many inproper description in this article !
There are too many inproper description in this article ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coldance (talk • contribs) 13:49, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

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Infobox: Owner - errors with percentages
Citation 2 was misinterpreted and has errors in its internal percentage calculations in any case.

Berkshire Hathaway Inc's 10-K filing and Annual Report for Year Ended 31st Dec 2017 indicated an 8.2%, 225.0 million share ownership stake. As of 2018, the position in BYD was outside the top 15 holdings so was not detailed by Berkshire Hathaway Inc.

Citation 2 shows that there are two classes of stock, which it denotes as Stock A and Stock B. Stock A is Hong Kong listed as ticker 1211 while stock B is Shenzhen listed as ticker 002594. The OTC stock BYDDY also available in the Shareholders pull-down menu is negligible. The percentages shown are the percentage of each Stock class, not of the whole company.

Stock A has 1,813,142,855 shares outstanding with 1 vote per share traded in Hong Kong

Stock B has 915,000,000 shares outstanding with 1 vote per share traded in Shenzhen

BYD Co. has 2,728,142,855 shares outstanding in Total (the sum of Stock A and Stock B)

Both classes seem to share the same economic interest and the same voting rights as far as I can tell, but they trade in different currencies.

Berkshire Hathaway, Inc. holds 225,000,000 shares of Stock A, 12.4% of Stock A, but almost 8.25% of the whole company (8.2% rounded to 1 decimal place is shown in their 2017 Annual Report). The number 24.6% showing in Citation 2 seems to be erroneously shown as a fraction of the Stock B shares outstanding, which is the wrong class.

Xiang Yang Lü holds 222,489,015 shares of Stock B, 24.5% of Stock B but 8.16% of the whole company. I cannot guess where Citation 2 gets 10.8% from! Various other online sources report wildly different numbers.

Chuan Fu Wang, the Chairman, holds 131,883,655 shares of Stock B, 14.4% of Stock B but 4.83% of the whole company. Various other online sources report wildly different numbers.

This is my own basic mathematics, but not my own research. Clearly 8.2% is in accord with Berkshire Hathaway's own SEC filings. Many resources such as Reuters give the shares outstanding as 2,728,142,855 shares (rounded a little) too, so this number is in little doubt.

Clearly, many online financial data sources cannot propertly handle multiple classes of stock, so it is difficult to find a reliable source or even two that match with regard to percentage ownership of the entire company. Google's summary text is also wrong, taken from a different erroneous source that is internally inconsistent.

I think we need to either use the above percentages, 8.25%, 8.16% and 4.83% or we need to remove the percentages until we can find an accurate and reliable source. However, the number of shares owned by each would appear to be consistent with Berkshire Hathaway's official filing showing 8.2% ownership, and a 2017 year-end value matching the closing price currency-converted from HKD to USD, so I suspect that we would be safe to use 8.25%, 8.16% and 4.83% respectively for these three. Although Chuan Fu Wang is just below 5% often used as a threshold, as Chairman, I'd argue it is still worth including his stake.

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"Imitation" section deletion
I recently reverted an edit which removed section 6.1 "Imitation of competing models". The edit cited a lack of support of the section, and claimed that it was outdated. This was not the case, and I returned the section. However, if people honestly believe that there is something wrong with the section, that the criticisms and claims of copying are unfounded, then it should be discussed with honesty. I personally think that the best route would be to provide articles highlighting the innovations of newer vehicles, which would make the current text seem dated, but adding counterclaims would also work (though neither of these would justify deleting the current text). If someone finds a good article, I'll write the text, since showing all sides is important. StigmaOfTruth (talk) 01:09, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Intro 'backform'ing
I think it's actually a backronym, not backforming yeah? --TheSeer (TalkˑContribs) 23:23, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Love anchors
Love can stop anything and also heal 41.90.67.39 (talk) 10:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 17 June 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 10:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

BYD Company → BYD – and BYD should be moved BYD (disambiguation), as the other uses for "BYD" are either uncommon abbreviations (for example, there is no mention of BYD being an abbreviation for Bury Your Dead in its article), or code-related (NYSE and station code). Also, WikiNav data shows that most people are looking for BYD Company or its largest subsidiary BYD Auto. Andra Febrian (talk) 04:37, 17 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. microbiology Marcus [petri dish·growths] 16:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose BYD Company and BYD Auto are both quite notable, and get thousands of daily pageviews |BYD_Auto. I don't see one as primary topic ahead of the other, though. 162 etc. (talk) 04:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * BYD Auto can be considered as a "sub-article" of BYD Company because it's its subsidiary. Samsung Electronics is probably the most popular Samsung subsidiary yet Samsung is not a disambiguation. It gets taken care of with a hatnote. Andra Febrian (talk) 05:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Conversely, Toyota leads to Toyota Motor Corporation, not Toyota Group. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. No primary topic. 162 etc. (talk) 07:00, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Because Toyota Group is not a 'real' company, it is a 'group' of companies with limited notability - it doesn't even have its own website. Clearly not cut out to be WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.


 * Other example would be Volvo and Volvo Cars, both are real companies, the latter has a relationship with the former, but one became primary topic due to its larger business operations and the other was its subsidiary. Both articles has thousands of daily pageviews, with Volvo Cars being more popular. Andra Febrian (talk) 08:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:DPT asks us to consider two things only: Pageviews and long-term notability. Your nomination makes no case for either of these criteria. 162 etc. (talk) 15:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

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