Talk:Bruce Springsteen/Archive 2

Working on a Dream, the album
An Irish radio station just announced that Bruce will be releasing an album entitled "Working on A Dream" (the title song being the single) on 1/20/08.

Just thought I'd let you know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.199.10.146 (talk) 03:40, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

New single
Has it been released a single from his upcoming album since the self-titled song from the album has charted on the swedish singles chart. So has it been released a new single? —Preceding unsigned comment added by QotSA (talk • contribs) 12:59, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Not really clear. In the U.S. at least, recent Springsteen songs are made available for download, and sometimes have music videos made for them, but that doesn't mean they are singles.  "Long Walk Home" was a case in point for the last album.  For the new album, both "Working on a Dream" and "My Lucky Day" have been made available for download, but it's not clear whether one or both or neither are actual singles in the U.S., as the definition of "single" has gotten pretty murky. Wasted Time R (talk) 14:41, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * A large number of UK broadcasters have now pointed out the marked melodic similarity between this song and the 2008 Teddy Thompson single "In My Arms". As far as I can see, this opinion has not yet filtered through to any "proper" referencable web-page and no amount of blog citation will satisify WP:RS. Am not sure of the point at which "popular musical POV" starts to resemble grounds for copyright infringement/ plagiarism(?) Martinevans123 (talk) 14:00, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Bruce Springsteen's Birth year is wrong.
He was born in 1949, not 1939. He will turn 60 this year, not 70! Also, the narrative talks about his seeing Elvis Presley on the Ed Sullivan show on TV when he was 7 and being inspired to become a musician. That show wasn't on nor was there any TV until the 1950s.

Unsourced Trivia
Strictly copy-editing problems caught my eye, but then I realized the passage in question was both trivial and unsourced, so I cut it. Should anyone disagree and want to revert, here is a properly edited version of the deletion:

On December 19, 2007, Springsteen, a longtime friend and fan of Mike Smith of The Dave Clark Five, dedicated "Born To Run" to Smith and his wife, Charlie, who were attending his concert at The O2 in London. Smith had been paralyzed in an accident at his home in Spain earlier that year.

Thanks Alias1219 (talk) 00:49, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

hey —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.40.255.228 (talk) 21:49, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Springsteen in Congress
Those of you bother to check the reference after the paragraph about the 2005-2206 Congressional resolution will now notice a discrepancy between the article and its cited source. The cite was to an E! Online story which in turn said it was sourcing an Associated Press report. The E! Online story said that the AP said that New Jersey's two Democratic Senators had introduced a bill honoring Springsteen on the 30th anniversary of Born to Run and it had died in committee. The Library of Congress's THOMAS database has no record of any such bill in the Senate. However, Congressman Frank Pallone from Long Branch, New Jersey did indeed introduce such a bill-- H.RES 628-- in late 2005 which did indeed die in committee the next year. I am inferring that some journalist mixed the two houses of Congress up: the Senators may have issued statements at some point expressing their support of Pallone's bill. The chairman of the committee which killed the bill, by the way, was John Boehner, a conservative Republican who is now the House Minority Leader and who is now making himself famous (or infamous, depending on your political perspective) by leading the fight against President Obama's various initiatives. Timothy Horrigan (talk) 23:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Lock request
Can Wikipedia please lock this page until the concert is done and not in the public eye. It's had 5 vandalism hacks in the last 5 minutes... Acroyear (talk) 01:18, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

wrong birthdate
Springsteen was born in 1949, not 1939 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.74.165.36 (talk) 01:18, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Correct. He only looks, sings, and dances like he was born in 1939.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.230.177.44 (talk) 04:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Bruce is 90.
Bruce Springsteen is 90 born in 1919. I have done my background checks and come up with the birth year of 1919. He was not a Nazi soldier but he does have Asperger's syndrome. This is all accurate information as i said i have done my background checks and i do read his blogs EVERY SINGLE DAY. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bfillmore (talk • contribs) 01:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Blogs do not qualify as reliable sources. And neither do your ridiculous and unfounded claims. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 03:48, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed! Bruce is only 80, so stop spreading this childishness that he is 90.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.230.177.44 (talk) 04:38, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

E Street Band and Discography
The "E street Band" and "Discography" sections are deleted. WHY??????????????. Both are essentials!. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.172.66.175 (talk) 04:01, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * That was a misguided edit by User:Djln that I have reversed. WP:Summary style requires brief summary sections for both of these, even though they have separate articles.  If you look at other GA or FA music articles, for example, you'll typically see a summary discography listing studio albums.  Wasted Time R (talk) 04:34, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Misguided is a bit strong and very patronizing in tone. Both these sections are pointless considering they have their own articles anyway. All the albums are mentioned elsewhere. They just add to an over lengthy article. Djln--Djln (talk) 16:21, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * By "misguided" I intended to convey "meant well, but not in conformance with WP guidelines". I apologize if it came across stronger.  But read WP:Summary style for what must be done in main articles like this, and look at FA music articles such as Mariah Carey, Phil Collins, Metallica, and others.  They all have summaries of the discography, and Metallica has a summary in its band member list.  Whether we like it or not, it's a requirement for top-level articles (including this one, which is at GA level).  Wasted Time R (talk) 16:42, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

"former Nazi soldier" reference.
Please remove this ridiculous phrase at the beginning of Springsteen profile. It is neither humorous nor clever, and is in fact trite, silly and sophomoric. Again, please remove. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.189.121.174 (talk) 01:30, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * It was already removed. Jasgrider (talk) 01:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Bruce was born in 1959 not 1949 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikemaz8969 (talk • contribs) 01:36, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Incorrect...Bruce was born in 1939. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.230.177.44 (talk) 23:36, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Personal Life
There appears to be a problem with this sentence in the "Personal Life" section: "Phillips and Springsteen separated in September 1988 and on August 30, 1988, Julianne filed for divorce. The Springsteen/Phillips divorce was finalized on March 1, 1989."

It implies that the couple filed for divorce before they separated. Unfortunately there isn't a reference cited to check the sequence of events. Anyone with any knowledge of this like to clean it up? --Perry Middlemiss (talk) 00:16, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

"Springsteen's 1987 album Tunnel of Love described some of his unhappinesses in the relationship". \ I can no find no reference to confirm this, although followers of his work may widely believe it to be so. Generally speaking Springsteen, himself, has always denied writing in an autobiographical manner. The Tunnel of Love album may explore the theme of personal relationships but he has certainly denied that this record actually documented (or "described some of his unhappiness with") his relationship with his first wife. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.232.53.71 (talk) 05:22, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Bruce turns 60
Any plans to wikicelebrate The Boss' 60th? Woz2 (talk) 23:51, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone know What Time Springsteen was born?
Astrology-wise, September 23, 1949 was a very unusual date and it makes a difference whether the person was born in the early morning, late morning, afternoon etc.

Can anyone help with the time? Many thanks. douga6 26 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Does the time really matter? Kitchen roll (talk) 19:26, 26 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Go to astro.com and type in his birthdate and put the time of birth as 7 am. Everything (sun sign,moon sign, rising sign) comes up the same.This is very, very rare.  So rare that it is a bit creepy.    One hour before or several hours later and it is completely different.  I see why you want the exact time.  Someone has got to know.  Wallnut (talk) 00:09, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


 * --Astrotheme.com says he was born at 10.50 pm in Freehold, NJ. --Wallnut 02:40, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

New pic
What about ? imo it is awful, anyone else got any opinions? Off2riorob (talk) 19:53, 21 November 2009 (UTC)


 * It's even worse than the existing top pic, which no one has ever liked. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:22, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That is what I thought, it was inserted by the unloader who has only those 4 edits, we'll stick with the old one then for the time being. Off2riorob (talk) 12:59, 22 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I actually like the one we have now. Either way the new one is pretty bad.  Deserted Cities (talk) 15:55, 22 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Photos are my thing as a Wikignome here; after uploading a couple hundred photos and placing them- a partial list is on my userpage with a tiny gallery of favorites I rotate. But that photo is really bad, and certainly shouldn't be used here. Re: the infobox photo, I'm glad to hear that others dislike it as much as I do. Generally I don't replace infobox pics, unless a more recent one of equal value is available, or if it's of such bad quality that it needs replacement. If anyone wants me to find a CC-BY-SA photo of Springsteen, please leave a note on my talk page. Which reminds me. The photo of Bob Dylan now in the infobox does no justice to an FA-ranked article. I'd love to revert it to the last one, or find another, and would like feedback on that on my talk page and here as well. Thanks. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 22:22, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

How Did Springsteen Avoid the Draft?
How did Springsteen avoid the draft after he dropped out after a brief time in college? A real biography has to deal with that issue since it was such a large part of the social landscape of that era. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.153.18 (talk) 00:21, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * In one of his well known between song stories a discussion with his dad seemed to indicate he failed the draft physical. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.190.82.126 (talk) 20:04, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Something to do with a motorcycle accident, I think. 82.118.103.122 (talk) 15:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I think I've heard a bootleg where he spins a yarn about kissing the draft board doctor on the lips. I'm pretty sure that's schtick, but ya never know. David in DC (talk) 15:40, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Motorcycle accident. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.161.34.173 (talk) 11:42, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

It's pretty simple - motorcycle accident. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.230.177.44 (talk) 23:38, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Live/1975-85 "The River" story. Wasted Time R (talk) 23:41, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Whatever the reason, if there is a WP:RS or even his own account in a WP:RS it should be in the article since some believe he was a "draft dodger." CarolMooreDC (talk) 18:36, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I found a good cite (Rolling Stone interview 1984) and have put it in 'Early Years'. Yes, odd that it was missing; it's a standard question for any US man born in the 1940's? Little grape (talk) 21:37, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * So long as you have a good reference at least! There's a video from his pro-shot You Tube video in Paris 85 he does discuss getting the draft notice, and sort of skips right on into saying he never went to Vietnam though.

What about videography
e.g. Bruce Springsteen Video Anthology 1978-88--Revery (talk) 07:31, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Already exists, see Bruce Springsteen discography. Wasted Time R (talk) 04:44, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Does anyone know What Is Bruce Springsteen favorite socks color?
This article looks like an Hello article, not proper of an encyclopedia. [03:21, August 13, 2010 Fpenteado]


 * Haven't read Hello!, but there aren't many people happy with the state of this article on a variety of counts, myself included. Wasted Time R (talk) 03:31, 13 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Agreed, it's in need of an edit. There's lots of stuff that could be cut out, "Recent Events" section in particular.Tubefurnace (talk) 20:52, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

LMAO Sonic NiGHT  17:40, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

First movie with his songs, currently incorrect
Bruce's first song appearance was in an obscure Israeli film from 1982, "Dead End Street" (english title). The three songs were "Point Blank", "Hungry Heart" and "Jungleland. The soundtrack was released only in Israel, but the movie was released internationally. The movie poster even mentions Bruce's songs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_End_Street  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.59.241.229 (talk) 19:13, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


 * added to article. thanks. Tubefurnace (talk) 21:03, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the mess, major rewrite in progress
Apologies if some of my recent edits don't look great. I'm trying to do a lot to sort out this article but it will take time, and i'll do it bit by bit. I've taken a couple of sections from the Italian and German wikipedia versions, which are both "featured articles". I think this structure is better, but it will need some time to fix everything. Plan to start cutting down the over-long biography, and tidy things into the other subheadings. Also a lot of work to be done in adding citations. Tubefurnace (talk) 20:12, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Top photo redux
We have two more candidates for the top photo, Image:Bruce Springsteen 1988.jpg and Image:BruceSpringsteen2009.jpg, up against the longtime hated incumbent Image:Bruce Springteen Front (cropped).jpg. Opinions? Wasted Time R (talk) 13:25, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Pleased that you chose the most current photo I bumped into while trolling for Max Weinfeld candidates! And more importantly, the photographer was even more pleased which means he'll be giving up a lot more in copyrights to the Wikipedia in the future. In the long run, probably this-- or dare I hope-- a totally up to date photo that isn't as dark will make it through the GA and FA tug-of-war. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 21:55, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Political activity
I couldn't help but notice the expansion tag in that section of the article. I'm not certain if anyone recalls, but a short time after the death of Harry Chapin, a concert was held in his honor with a variety of notable musicians, including Graham Nash, Pat Benatar, and Springsteen. I was watching on PBS, I think, and when Springsteen showed, it was at the start of his huge popularity. He seemed oblivious to the fact that for some people, he appeared to be stealing the thunder belonging to Chapin. Dressed up with a harmonica brace and guitar, he made a speech about learning soooooomething from Chapin's humanitarianism: I think this belongs here. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 21:55, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

The "Rambo" of Rock & Roll
Hi. Let me express great respect for the quality and thoroughness of this article, and especially the edits of several frequent contributors. I stopped by and threw in a few commas, then started cleaning up some sloppy writing in the "Rambo of Rock" section. I ended up cutting it for the following reason: Having been an early 80s fan and having read quite a lot about Bruce, I could not recall ever hearing the "Rambo of Rock" nickname. The reference included says that "major newspapers" tagged Bruce thusly, but no publications are named. Googling "Rambo of Rock" and "Springsteen" gets only 36 hits (one is this Wikipedia entry) and none cite a major newspaper. There's reference to unofficial buttons and bumper stickers, but since this is a nickname that did not stick, has no citations I can find to the "major newspapers" claimed, and is, as the section admitted, at odds with the intent and meaning of Springsteen's work, it seems unworthy of inclusion here.

I invite the longstanding editors to weigh in before it's restored, and if it is restored, I ask someone to figure out what it means that the Rambo movie "obscured" the title track to "Born in the USA," or keep that part out, because I don't believe its meaning is quite clear. Alias1219 (talk) 04:46, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The strange use of "obscured" was taken directly from the source in which it originally made no sense. I agree with the cutting of this section as it seemed to be talking too much about The Boss's muscles and some nickname that never really stuck. When it comes down to it this isn't really encyclopaedic content - There are so many more important things to mention and which have not been expanded upon. Most notably: it is never explained that Springsteen has somewhat become a protest singer in recent years - his music finally becoming a vehicle for his political views. I feel this article misses the big picture some of the time and could do with some much needed expansion and clarity. I think the removal of "Rambo of Rock" is a step in the right direction. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 16:03, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've just completed some clean up which should go some way towards justifying it's GA status. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 17:40, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok. I don't remember ever hearing of "Rambo of Rock". But this might be a good spot/perhaps related to my question. As I remember, in the early 80, perhaps for the Born in the US tour, he started working out. From the working out, he bulked up in size and muscles. Actually when he started, he desire/ comment was that he was soo tired at the end of a concert, he wished he could play music longer for the fans but lacked the energy. Anybody able to find any quotable source on this. He was also possible the first musician to turn to exercise for this reason, and other do the same now 74.214.54.170 (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

It opens with this statement, "If there were no Bruce Springsteen for this era, it might be necessary to invent him."
 * Confirmation on this Wikipedia Section can be found here, http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1985-08-09/news/8502210894_1_mr-springsteen-bruce-springsteen-viet-cong

In the body it states: "Every decade has its cultural icons, and, as America passes through the midpoint of the `80s, Mr. Springsteen, much to the delight of the industry that capitalizes on his artistry, is rising to the top. He can rightfully be called a superstar, not just because his concerts are breaking the attendance and ticket sales records set by Michael Jackson, Mick Jagger or the King Tut exhibit, not just because his seventh album, ``Born in the USA,`` has been on the Top 10 charts for more than a year, but because his lyrical themes have become, in style and content, anthems for the `80s."

Mr. Springsteen`s dreary message of post-Vietnam frustration speaks to both sides of the political fence. It is a message that has gained worldwide popularity this summer on the shoulders of another fictitious Vietnam veteran, Sylvester Stallone`s hero who only wants America to love him as much as he loves it.

Closes with: "In this summer of discontent, Bruce Springsteen is the Rambo of rock and roll."

Hence the Nick Name "Rambo" of his Art/Craft, hope this helps.

disruptive editing
I think is time for semi-protection? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.54.188.10 (talk) 23:11, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

This is the worst fucking article I have ever read
This article is so biased, anybody reading it would think this guy is Jesus. I don't remember him donating any of his 9/11: The Album money to charity. Because he DIDN'T. Sonic NiGHT  13:30, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I looked for the word charity in the article and only found it used once, and it didn't mention anything about him donating part of the revenue he got from selling an album to charity. My guess is someone put that in there without there being a verifiable source - Springsteen's wiki page has no protection preventing guests from editing the page after all. --Jesant13 (talk) 17:22, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * But Bruce Springsteen is Jesus! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Satan's Little Friend (talk • contribs) 00:12, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Any cite for this story?
I remember either reading or hearing a story of how at one concert (I don't know when), Bruce forgot the words to "Born to Run" but the crowd saved him by singing and he picked it up. If that story can be cited I think it should be added - given that apparently since then Bruce has always had the lights on in the venue when he does that song as an audience participation number. I don't know that for sure but it does make sense - and if someone can cite it, I can deflect a ridiculous claim that Bruce has the lights switched on for Autistics in the audience. 60.230.156.38 (talk) 01:05, 13 February 2011 (UTC)


 * This episode is described in The River Tour article. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:10, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Is there a cite about this possibly being the reasons for the lights being on (compared to off for the rest of the concerts) for the song since then? 60.230.156.38 (talk) 04:44, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Not that I know of. The house lights go up during certain songs in the encores, with "Born to Run" being just one of them.  That effect isn't about audience participation per se, but more a joint celebration.  And forgetting words is no longer an issue for Bruce, since he has been using a teleprompter in concert since 1992.  Wasted Time R (talk) 14:40, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It's just that I have a fool who claims that Bruce has been putting the lights on for Born to Run (during the main concert and not the encore I think) is for Autistics. He's been called a BS artist on it but he refuses to listen to reason. If there was evidence that suited Wikipedia's source rules to contradict that belief (rather than just all of us calling on him to prove he's right) I could shut him up on the idea. It derives from Bruce's concert in support of Autism Speaks just BTW. 60.230.156.38 (talk) 23:50, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * You are indeed dealing with a fool and as famous quotes from Mark Twain and others have said, you can't argue with a fool. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:33, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The idea isn't to argue with him. You're right - waste of time. The idea is to make him look like the fool that he is in blazing lights with a source that proves him wrong. If there is one that is. 60.230.156.38 (talk) 11:19, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Springsteen's various musical approaches
I think that there should be definite expansion of the text (and certainly references) for Springsteen's various musical approaches during life. They were touched upon when his first 2 albums hadn't sold as well- several interviews are available where he explains that he was initially signed to Columbia Records as a singer-songwriter in the tradition of Bob Dylan or Paul Simon, but with ten years of bar-band experience, he drew on a lot more influences. But later he did make attempts in the late 1980s to return a little to that acoustic sound. I think the invitation and appearance of Springsteen in the tribute concert honoring the late Harry Chapin on December 7, 1987 should be mentioned too. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 01:50, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Country rock
Someone inserted this as a category in the info box. I deleted it. Someone added it again. Please take a look at the recent history. Whaddya think? I've alerted the most recent IP editor to re-insert it to join us in discussion here. David in DC (talk) 19:30, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

There's really just no need to remove it. In other words, keeping it wouldn't make the article inaccurate, since heartland rock is often associated with people who do country (Tom Petty, John Mellencamp, etc.). It's obvious Springsteen specializes in more than just one music genre. It also says on the article itself, "Bruce Springsteen draws on many musical influences from the reservoir of traditional American popular music, folk, blues and country." 24.151.113.86 (talk) 20:34, 10 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Changes in the infobox genre never end. I take a minimalist approach – what genres did an artist make their name in and are most known for?  You can point to a few Springsteen songs here and there and say this one is country, this one is R&B, this one is jazz ... but while Springsteen adopted a country-ish twang to his singing during the 1990s, country didn't pervade his music overall.  He isn't associated with country rock in the same way that the Byrds or the Flying Burrito Brothers or the Flatlanders are.  Wasted Time R (talk) 11:29, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree. Do you think the two of us represent consensus? If not, would some other editors please weigh in? David in DC (talk) 22:08, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with Wasted Time R. I mean, when you think of Bruce S. do you think of jazz music? What do you think of? I think he's seriously a down home rock and roller. Yeah, there's a million variations, but people get carried away. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 01:57, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Take out the 'genre' line from the info box. Take out the info box, come to that. Neither help. Most composers don't have info boxes because editors have decided they are too misleading. Many literature articles won't touch them either. Let's follow suit, I say. Span (talk) 02:14, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Back to the lead photo yet again --and the others, too
The photos in the musicians' biography articles aren't there as decorations. It is understandable that Springsteen's fans are be eager to edit his article, but the photos, as much as possible, should illuminate the text, and flow chronologically (with the exception of some sections: for example, Springsteen's endorsement of our current U.S. President (and, with the Seeger Sessions band, his feelings about patriotism, 9/11, and then-President George W. Bush.) It is our practice (on the en.Wikipedia) to place the most recent yet clear photo of the subject in the infobox, but someone keeps adding a (great but outdated) photo of him circa 1980. Although the photo is wonderful, it isn't appropriate for a GA-Article candidate there. If none of his pics in Commons do not satisfy a consensus, I can upload others... thanks! Your local photo fairy.--Leahtwosaints (talk) 00:58, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

The Songs Of Bruce Springsteen 1965-2010 book
An IP keeps adding the above book in the Further Reading section, it first came to my attention when it was flagged that they added an e-mail address for the author, which I removed, but having checked the book out I can't find anything other than facebook and fan blogs that mention it - I searched on Amazon (which granted is not the greatest authority on books, but it's where a lot of mine come from!) and there's nothing even close. The IP also added a website next to the book title (as opposed to an ISBN or anything like that) which appears to be a self-publishing website. I've removed the book from the article twice, the first time the IP re-added it. I can only assume the IP is the author/associated with the book, and given it's apparent non-existence commercially (a google search came back with four facebook results, two wiki ones and a wiki mirror) I don't believe it belongs in the article, but I thought I'd present the option to more regular contributors. BulbaThor (talk) 18:27, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Politics and Activism section/Bruce Springsteen sings Born Intact - Circumcision Sing-along - Parody lyrics for Born to Run (Live)
Born Intact - Circumcision Sing-along - Parody lyrics for Born to Run (Live) (Redacted) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.34.144.69 (talk) 04:07, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

User http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dawnseeker2000 Please resort to this talk page before resorting to just deleting the political activism work that Bruce Springsteen does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.34.144.69 (talk) 04:22, 26 October 2011 (UTC) User http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dawnseeker2000 Please resort to this talk page before resorting to just deleting the political activism work that Bruce Springsteen does using random deletion tactics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dawnseeker2000#Bruce_Springsteen_Politics_and_Activism_section_Political_Born_Intact_-_Circumcision_Sing-along_-_Parody_lyrics_for_Born_to_Run_.28Live.29 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.34.144.69 (talk) 04:43, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * We need to take care with linking to copyrighted works. This is the main reason I've removed the material. I'm not sure a reliable source can be found for this Born Intact thing, but I encourage you to locate one. Dawnseeker2000   04:58, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

(cur | prev) 05:14, 26 October 2011‎ AnomieBOT (talk | contribs)‎ m (105,957 bytes) (Dating maintenance tags: ) (undo) (cur | prev) 04:53, 26 October 2011‎ Dawnseeker2000 (talk | contribs)‎ (105,939 bytes) (WP takes copyright seriously - I doubt that user: TLCTugger on YouTube holds the copyright to this NBC video - Let the citation request stand & see if someone (maybe you?) can provide a reliable source instead) (undo) (cur | prev) 04:38, 26 October 2011‎ 174.34.144.69 (talk)‎ (106,116 bytes) (Undid revision 457433626 by Dawnseeker2000 (talk)You are about to violate the 3 revert rule. This is Bruce Springsteen in concert. Use the talk page not random deletion tactics) (undo) (cur | prev) 04:33, 26 October 2011‎ Dawnseeker2000 (talk | contribs)‎ (105,939 bytes) (Can't use this video for copyright reasons, plus there's no indication that Bruce Springsteen actually supported whatever this is -- Add citation needed tag) (undo) (cur | prev) 04:26, 26 October 2011‎ 174.34.144.69 (talk)‎ (106,116 bytes) (Undid revision 457430657 by Dawnseeker2000 (talk)Please resort to the talk page before vandalizing the Bruce Springsteen political activism Born Intact - section again.) (undo) (cur | prev) 04:02, 26 October 2011‎ Dawnseeker2000 (talk | contribs)‎ (105,839 bytes) (Remove unhelpful edit) (undo) (cur | prev) 03:47, 26 October 2011‎ 174.34.144.69 (talk)‎ (106,116 bytes) (→Politics and Activism: Bruce Springsteen sings Born Intact - Circumcision Sing-along - Parody lyrics for Born to Run (Live) (Redacted) ) (undo)

Thank you for starting to use the talk page to discuss article contributions something you have failed to do despite multiple requests while you removed my contribution without consensus or discussion. It is important to have regard for Wikipedia rules and not total disregard and hopefully you will learn that as this conversation develops. You have hinted at various reasons for removing the contribution fist saying it was "removed unhelpful edit"-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dawnseeker2000 This reason does not mention any copyright issues that you hang your hat on now. I opened a talk page on your page and the Bruce Springsteen article and requested your input but you did not respond instead you deleted my contribution again saying. "Can't use this video for copyright reasons, plus there's no indication that Bruce Springsteen actually supported whatever this is -- Add citation needed tag" -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dawnseeker2000 You are assuming that their is a copyright issue while you question the authenticity of the subject once again. The video clearly shows Bruce Springsteen singing the song and it has been on YouTube since Feb 4, 2009 with 13,034 views so it is clearly not a copyright violation. If it was a copyright violation YouTube would have removed it. The song that Bruce Springsteen sings in the video is quite clear and leaves no question what it is about and your pretend ignorance just goes to show your intent to delete subject matter that you do not agree with which is not allowed on Wikipedia. Nothing is wrong with the validity of the original source as it is not in violation of any copyright laws as you so claim.
 * I have removed the entire entry to this supposed parody by Bruce Springsteen. As I said in my edit summary, it is blindingly obvious from looking at the video that Bruce Springsteen is not singing those lyrics, but is singing Born to Run. The NBC logo is definitive on the source of the video and since it's also clear the false lyrics are an overlay by a third party, not NBC, it is a patent copyright violation. Moreover, since anyone with eyes can see that its entry in the list is false, being a parody by someone else—not by Bruce Springsteen—BLP concerns are also invoked. Besides all this, since it's not Bruce Springsteen doing it, it would be hugely undue weight to include some unknown person's Youtube joke in this article unless reliable third party sources had directly discussed this parody in depth. I would think adding back this material should be treated as simple vandalism.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:34, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Clear WP:ELNEVER/Copyvio issue, regardless of the BLP/UNDUE complications and it lacking any independent sources. IP blocked now anyway.  Я ehevkor ✉  12:04, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Influences
Shouldn't there be an influence Section For bruce? How he cites artists such as Bob Dylan and Elvis as major inspirations for his whole career Tombo671 (talk) 03:26, 17 November 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.217.165.195 (talk) 08:27, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I would think if there's enough to matter, then yes. If not, you can put it at the end of a section in a sentence.  WylieCoyote (talk) 12:41, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

With Roy Orbison!
See at Roy Orbison LIVE,
 * Dream Baby
 * Oh, Pretty Woman — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.66.93.72 (talk) 16:04, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Photo in the infobox
We have gone over this before-- the picture in the infobox for musicians' articles should reflect a reasonably up-to-date photo. After that, the photos should be chronological and reflect what is written in the text. I replaced the mid-1970s "poster boy" photo someone recently placed in the infobox with one more appropriate. Photos are my personal specialty- if you have a problem with this, please do leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 01:40, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Instruments section
I noticed there are an aweful lot of instruments listed for Bruce Springsteen. Generally speaking, this category is supposed to identify a musician's main instrument/s, not every instrument the musician ever touched. I've never seen Bruce playing anything other than a six-string guitar (acoustic and electric) or a harmonica in concert footage that I've seen. Does anyone know if this list is really legit? It looks pretty over-the-top and dubious to me, but I'm not a Springsteen expert.Jpcohen (talk) 04:32, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Springsteen is a liberal.
Since Springsteen is a Obama supporter, he has to be a liberal. We should include that under his political party. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.251.142 (talk) 22:58, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Interesting point - should it be added? he is active in the political arena - He lingers too on his subject’s increasingly outspoken left-leaning politics. He gets the following origin story: “I came home one day and asked my mother if we were Republican or Democrats,” Mr. Springsteen tells the author. “She said we were Democrats, because they’re for the working people.”.Moxy (talk) 23:08, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * "Democrat" would seem to be something that may be supported by reliable sources, whereas "liberal" seems to be more of a label that could mean different things to different people. GoingBatty (talk) 03:34, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Further Reading section
What's the best way to organize the Further Reading section. Should we add the authors' names and alphabetize by last name, or do something else? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:52, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Capital letters in lists
I've been reverted here for what I believe is a correct application of the Manual of style as it applies to lists.

In the info box, there's a list of genres. I think that's covered here: "If the list items are sentence fragments, then capitalization should be consistent – sentence case should be applied to either all or none of the items."

In other words, either the "R" in "Rock" should be lower-cased or, as I did, the first letter of each genre should be capitalized.

What say ye? David in DC (talk) 02:11, 23 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm just going by Template:Musical artist. I thought a list format (with capitalization) would be something like this:


 * Rock Heartland rock Folk rock Hard rock Roots rock Jersey shore sound


 * At least that's the way it seems to be done in most infoboxes. Piriczki (talk) 13:07, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * While we can determine whether each genre should be capitalized or not, "Jersey Shore" is a proper name and should always be capitalized. GoingBatty (talk) 14:27, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit warring regarding genres in infobox
I have noticed that IP addresses are trying to add alternative rock to the infobox. Rather than engaging in an edit war, let's try and reach a consensus here. Johnny338 (talk) 19:28, 26 May 2014 (UTC)


 * The IP was adding alt rock to three articles about Springsteen, and in no case did he cite a reference. I don't think we have to worry ourselves overmuch about this IP editor. Binksternet (talk) 19:46, 26 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Yep, and he hasn't gone onto here to provide a source, or even explain his reasoning. Unless he (or anyone) can find reliable sources labelling Bruce as alt rock, then it should be left alone. Johnny338 (talk) 19:55, 26 May 2014 (UTC)