Talk:Christmas tree

Contents of lead section
@79.191.251.168: What you want to add to the lead is not supported in the body of the article. Yes, some aspects of it are briefly mentioned, but you are adding your own ideas. For instance, you state that it was "practiced by a plurality of Christians", which is nowhere in the article. Please discuss this here before adding it again. Also, be aware of Wikipedia's WP:3RR rule. Indyguy (talk) 15:29, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Evergreen trees in other cultures
In American culture using of evergreen trees are backed to 17th century or Germans back to 15th century. It is of great concern to speak about other civilization that used it as specific ritual and on specific time. please share your Idea about adding older history of Evergreen Trees on Christmas Tree. Light prism2020 (talk) 16:01, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * There is already a sourced "Possible precedessors" section for that, where the sources all explicitly mention "Christmas." OhNo itsJamie Talk 16:10, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Ohhh James, great that you are here. Because I added paragraph about one specific civilization that is Persians, that have books and ancient poems and also stone depiction of evergreen trees and symbolizing it as everlasting life and standing against winter coldness and darkness and you delete that!! I added references and pictures of inscription of their tree on stone!! and you deleted it it that specific section!! Light prism2020 (talk) 19:32, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * References must explicitly make a connection between what the Persians were doing with trees and the Renaissance-era practices in Europe. The citations you have been using do not make that connection. MrOllie (talk) 20:37, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Great that you are replying. Are we concern about Renaissance-era only period (14th Century onward)? if so, there are paragraphs about ancient Egyptian and Chinese and Jews. I am sure they are not from that era, and you way want to delete that parts from article. If you are connecting it to The Jesus Christ (1st Century) ,you can change topic to "Christianity Tree", but I am pretty sure Jesus did not celebrate his birthday on Dec 25th with Trees. If non of previous sentence are correct and you accept it has rooted before 1st Century and other Cultures had symbolized it as eternal life, you can not eliminate it`s time period just to your desired time and do not look at other periods and Civilizations that had Evergreen Coniform Tree. And By the way, I just looked at one of references and want to know more about that, How can some one accepted The reference No 26 it is clearly a Yellow magazine. I heard they only accept first hand research based article and you deleted my writing because of that! Light prism2020 (talk) 04:07, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The citations about the Egyptions and so on do make an explicit connection. That is not the same as what you are attempting to add. MrOllie (talk) 11:47, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Trees were often (and still are) regarded as sacred in different cultures around the world. I think what has to be shown with reliable sources is a connection between Cypress tree and Yalda in Persia/Iran and the Christmas tree as that is what the article is about. Connections can however, be ancient or a contemporary overlays of an ancient tradition to the Christmas tree. However, it might be better if you work on finding reliable sources for the Cypress tree and Yalda and add it to the article Sacred tree on Wikipedia instead of the Christmas tree article for now. Myotus (talk) 15:10, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Source for August Imgard's Decoration Using Candy Canes
Hey All, I found a source for the claim of August Imgard decorating a pine tree with candy canes on the Candy Cane page, here is a copy below:

Parker, Rick (2003). Introduction to Food Science. Albany, New York: Delmar/Thomson Learning. ISBN 0-7668-1314-2 – via Google Books. "In 1670, the choirmaster at the Cologne Cathedral gave sugar sticks to his young singers to keep them quiet during the long Living Crèche ceremony. In honor of the occasion, he had the candies bent into the shepherd's crooks. In 1847, a German-Swedish immigrant named August Imgard of Wooster, Ohio decorated a small pine tree with paper ornaments and candy canes." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:603:5401:D6D0:58DF:4CFE:E916:B793 (talk) 23:57, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The source does not say that he was first to use candy canes for decoration, not to say about "popularizing" this. - Altenmann >talk 00:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Edited the language to make it less specific, and added the source mentioned above. No longer says the first, but one of the first, and removed the word popularized. Tooncool64 (talk) 00:39, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The source does not say "one of the first" either. - Altenmann >talk 01:00, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Ended up removing that sentence altogether, combining it with the next. The article no longer says he was the first or that he popularized it. Tooncool64 (talk) 01:16, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 December 2023
Cite 31 (31] Huckabee, Tyler (9 December 2021). "No, Christmas Trees Don't Have 'Pagan' Roots". RELEVANT. Retrieved 5 March 2023. ) in reference to quote “ although there are no historical records of that” should be removed because this is a citation from an OPINION ARTICLE by a young freelance writer who lacks credibility because he does not cite any sources at all. History should not be able to be tampered with and rewritten according to opinion!! Please remove this quote and citation. DigbyDarling (talk) 00:26, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: He actually does cite his source. The information the journalist wrote about is from Macrobius’ Saturnalia and he credits it as such. You may want to review WP:Reliable Sources, WP:Verifiability and WP:No Original Research for further details about why this source is allowed. Change not done. Thickynugnug (talk) 09:09, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Photos/Illustrations to illustrate the Podłaźniczka subsection
I have removed the drawing but instead of returning the old photo of the ringed version, I have added one that depicts the most common type. While drawings can are are used in Wikipedia, the drawing you posted is of poor quality and arguably does not do a good job depicting the subject. However, photos of Podłaźniczka posted in Wikipedia Commons are also of poor quality. I have taken one that is marginal and color corrected, cropped, sharpened it to make it at least somewhat better. I strongly suggest if none of the photos are of good enough quality for you that you either take and submit better photos or seek out better photos that can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. Myotus (talk) 17:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * User:Myotus, perhaps this new image is a bit better. --E-960 (talk) 12:18, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 02016 Bielitz-Saybuscher Festspiele "Pastuszki".JPG is dark and blurry but there still isn't much better. While it will do for now, we still should be on the look out for better images. Similar to the main Christmas tree image for the article the should be in "product shot" style. I have added the Template:Photo requested to the Podłaźniczka Talk page. Hopefully a good image will eventually be taken/found.
 * BTW, I love the uncropped photo of the image that is used. It should be used on the main Podłaźniczka page, showing it in context with a holiday activity. Myotus (talk) 14:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC)