Talk:Climate policy of China

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I removed the 'needs to be wikified' tag on 23 march, after adding internal wiki links and correcting syntax of the external links. If there's more wikification that needs to be done, please do it, or indicate to me here (I'm watching) what needs to be done. Thanks. --CathCarey (talk) 21:01, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Resource by Bill McKibben in the June 2011 National Geographic ...
[http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/06/green-china/mckibben-text Can China Go Green? No other country is investing so heavily in clean energy. But no other country burns as much coal to fuel its economy] June 2011 National Geographic 99.56.120.252 (talk) 05:00, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Added. 108.195.138.38 (talk) 05:23, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Clarification needed in section References regarding ... * Update: Climate change: Holding back hail
Clarification needed in section References regarding ...
 * Update: Climate change: Holding back hail Nature (journal). The amount of hail falling in China has almost halved since 1980 because of global warming...hail is also decreasing in the United States Therefore the pattern could be a global phenomenon linked to climate change.... 03 Sep 2008, Research Highlights from Nature China 99.181.156.173 (talk) 00:09, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Relevance? And doesn't that counteract the claim that climate change causes insured damage?  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 05:39, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Art, please attempt to focus, you are again not helping to clarify wp articles ... see Debate over China's economic responsibilities for climate change mitigation, this article.  99.181.145.99 (talk) 19:16, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, you frequently introduce discussions of topic A linking to topic B on topic C's page. And you've been edit warring to include a Swiss insurance company's estimates of damage due to global warming on multiple articles.  This statement notes that global warming may reduce damage due to hail, which the Swiss company undoubtedly did not take into account.
 * But relevance to this article is still questionable. It might relate to a different article on climate change in China, but it does not relate at all to the subject of this article.   — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 02:55, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Look at where the Nature (journal) Update is now in the article and who put it there. One must endeavor to understand first, and attempt to communicate second, please.  99.181.157.60 (talk) 18:04, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The Nature article by Tim Reid has original article citations by Xie, B., Zhang, Q.	 & Wang, Y. Trends in hail in China during 1960–2005. Geophysical Research Letters doi: 10.1029/2008GL034067 (2008). Is this "Update relevant to this article, maybe moved to Effects of global warming, and/or Regional effects of global warming?   99.181.128.190 (talk) 04:41, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Removed; clearly irrelevant to this article. Thanks for pointing it out.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 07:19, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

(od) moved to Talk:Climate change in China. 108.195.138.38 (talk) 05:30, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Add "China to cap energy use in national low-carbon plan; Limit is expected to form cornerstone of five-year plan to curb surging greenhouse gas emissions" source
China to cap energy use in national low-carbon plan; Limit is expected to form cornerstone of five-year plan to curb surging greenhouse gas emissions by Tania Branigan in Beijing via guardian.co.uk 4 August 2011, excerpt China set to cap energy use in national low-carbon plan By David Stanway in Beijing Aug 4, 2011 via Reuters (Editing by David Fogarty). 99.181.138.215 (talk) 00:35, 18 August 2011 (UTC) Excerpts  99.181.138.215 (talk) 00:48, 18 August 2011 (UTC) 99.181.138.215 (talk) 00:53, 18 August 2011 (UTC) 99.181.138.215 (talk) 01:03, 18 August 2011 (UTC)


 * "Senior energy official" appears to be Vice Chairman of the National Development and Reform Commission. 64.27.194.74 (talk) 20:01, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * This will take some review time, I'll attempt to get back to this later. 108.195.138.38 (talk) 05:32, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Resource for PRC green growth boom industry, from 4.February.2011
China plots course for green growth amid a boom built on dirty industry; National economic blueprint set to tackle pollution and waste, and invest in renewable energy by Jonathan Watts, Asia environment correspondent via guardian.co.uk 4.February.2011 99.181.138.215 (talk) 01:11, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Added. 108.195.138.38 (talk) 05:32, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

resource in current issue of Environment (Vol. 53, 5, Sept/Oct 2011)
From resource in current issue of Environment (Vol. 53, 5, Sept/Oct 2011) ... http://www.environmentmagazine.org/Archives/Back%20Issues/2011/September-October%202011/climate-change-full.html ... on Table 1. Flagship Legislation, China's National Climate Change Programme (2007), stating Main purpose ...

"This program focuses on five key areas:
 * (i) greenhouse gas (GHG) mitigation;
 * (ii) adaptation
 * (iii) science and technology;
 * (iv) public awareness' and
 * (v) institutions and mechanisms.

Measures include strengthening the existing energy legal system, improving the national energy program, implementing the Renewable Energy Law, promoting favorable conditions for renewable energy development and GHG mitigation, stimulating energy price reform, optimizing the energy mix, and promoting innovation and efficiency improvements in various power-generating technologies (renewable and nonrenewable), including nuclear power." Date passed: 2007 (revised in 2008 and 2009) 97.87.29.188 (talk) 20:59, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Added formatting. 99.35.15.199 (talk) 03:05, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll attempt later to find potential location. 108.195.138.38 (talk) 05:35, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Politics of global warming resource
From Talk:Climate change fund ... China: Economic woes no excuse for climate change inaction "Ahead of major climate change talks in Durban, South Africa (Cop17), China's top climate official said that economic turmoil in the West should not get in the way of fighting global warming. " in November 22, 2011 csmonitor.com by David Stanway (Reuters); excerpt ...

See Late-2000s recession, Kyoto Protocol and Post–Kyoto Protocol negotiations on greenhouse gas emissions, Emission intensity (amount produced per unit of GDP), Cancun Summit

99.181.147.59 (talk) 06:10, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll attempt to check article for usefulness later. 108.195.138.38 (talk) 05:36, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Cop17 resource
China Pushes Clean-Energy Agenda Ahead of Summit November 22, 2011, 6:33 A.M. ET. by Zhoudong Shangguan, excerpt ..

See Politics of global warming

141.218.36.43 (talk) 00:35, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Some what side comment, but see International reaction to the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster for a notable voter/political reaction. 99.181.134.134 (talk) 06:12, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

(od) added. 108.195.138.38 (talk) 05:39, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

NYT resource here?
Weighing Tariffs on Chinese Solar Panels January 30, 2012, 6:23 pm by Matthew L. Wald Or maybe Sino-American relations? 97.87.29.188 (talk) 01:46, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Or maybe Politics of global warming (United States)? 99.109.124.44 (talk) 08:15, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Now that makes sense; may still be WP:UNDUE weight there, but it's a plausible location. This article is not.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 14:46, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

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Possible Merger with the many overlapping articles on China and the environment?
Is this article a candidate for merger? There seem to be far too many articles dealing with China environmental topics, many aspects of which are significantly out of date. I'm not an experienced enough editor to know how to approach this. There is an article on Pollution in China. Another for Greenhouse gas emissions by China. There's Debate over China's economic responsibilities for climate change mitigation. And the two best articles of the bunch, Environmental policy in China and Environmental governance in China. For the sake of completeness, I will add this comment to the talk page of each. Hopefully someone more experienced than me can suggest how to streamline. JArthur1984 (talk) 00:13, 17 June 2022 (UTC)JArthur1984
 * Looks to me like the only one of those other articles that might work for a merger with this one is Greenhouse gas emissions by China. But perhaps this is a legitimate subarticle of that one.&#32;Anythingyouwant (talk) 02:39, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I’ve added a subarticle template at the top of this talk page.&#32;Anythingyouwant (talk)}

Should this article be protected?
I note the tone header. Because this article deals with a potentially sensitive political topic, should it be protected? This is the sort of ongoing journalistic type of article that occasionally might be tweaked by non-neutral parties in order to reflect a particular political entity in a positive light. Atomic putty? Rien! (talk) (talk) 15:49, 26 July 2022 (UTC)


 * I think not necessary at the moment unless anyone has a specific problem Chidgk1 (talk) 18:12, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

I know it has POV header but still
Like is anyone going to address ever how succinct and encyclopedic the pros section is, and how argumentative, non-neutral and nebulous the con-side is? It’s alarmingly unbalanced and reads like a PRC propaganda article in whole. Raiders88 (talk) 22:53, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I don’t know - are you? Chidgk1 (talk) 18:10, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 4 January 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 12:30, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Debate over China's economic responsibilities for climate change mitigation → Climate policy of China – 1) Title is rather long and specific - climate policy would allow other aspects to be added

2) To be more similar to Climate change policy of the United States

3) The word ‘economic’ before ‘responsibility’ seems outdated as China is now profiting from EV battery manufacture for example Chidgk1 (talk) 16:32, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject Climate change has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:44, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject Environment has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:44, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject China has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:45, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I would like clarification on the proposal. The proposed destination is currently a redirect to Energy policy of China.
 * I take it in this scenario, climate policy would no longer re direct to energy policy? JArthur1984 (talk) 22:46, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes because climate policy is more than just energy transition - for example China support of EV manufacturing Chidgk1 (talk) 11:58, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * How does that square up with the existing Environmental policy of China page? Seems like much potential overlap.
 * Overall, I’m in agreement that this article is weak and poorly titled. Pretty sure this is what’s called a POV fork.
 * So I join your suggestion of changing but I’m not so sure of what the destination should be.
 * Maybe merge this article into Climate change in China or Environmental issues in China? JArthur1984 (talk) 17:00, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @JArthur1984 Ah I did not know that Environmental policy in China existed thanks. However the US has separate articles for environmental policy and climate policy so why not China too? Chidgk1 (talk) 17:24, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I think we can turn this article into an acceptable content fork by spinning off Climate_change_in_China. 94rain  Talk  22:51, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @94rain Sorry I don’t understand what you mean - can you explain in more detail please Chidgk1 (talk) 16:00, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * To move this article to Climate policy of China, it needs to be thoroughly rewritten. To do that, we can extract information from Climate_change_in_China to expand the article, essentially creating a WP:SPINOFF fork of that section. Then Climate_change_in_China can be turned into a summary style overview. 94rain  Talk  23:44, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @94rain Ah I see yes that sounds good. So you support my rename proposal? Chidgk1 (talk) 07:07, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes. A standalone article on Climate (change) policy of China can definitely exist. We don't need to merge it into other articles. 94rain  Talk  07:18, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Hope various people can improve the article
@94rain@JArthur1984@Raiders88@Atomic putty? Rien!@Anythingyouwant@Mx. Granger@Rotide4321 and anyone else interested in this very important topic.

Now the article has a better name and scope I hope some of you can pitch in and improve it further. Feel free to revert, disagree with, amend or discuss any changes I make as your ideas may well be better. Chidgk1 (talk) 13:16, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

I briefly looked at Climate change policy of the United States and it seems in poor shape so I guess we don't want to copy that structure. What should the structure of the article be? Chidgk1 (talk) 13:36, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

You could maybe get more from https://chineseclimatepolicy.oxfordenergy.org/ Chidgk1 (talk) 19:50, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I began incorporating some material here, including on policy-making in this area. JArthur1984 (talk) 20:41, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The government of China also published a white paper on Responding to Climate Change: China's Policies and Actions, which can be a good primary source to refer to. 94rain  Talk  05:05, 18 January 2024 (UTC)