Talk:Communist Party of Indonesia

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EXCUSE ME, I want to about the role of the Santosa Family during the 1965 coup in Indonesia, if any. I heard from someone that the people at the helm of the Salem Group's affair were involved in that Coup. I may be wrong, or right. But, I sincerely want to know about that for my ownself only. I would be glad in anybody can through some ligt on that.

Rosa Baker.

Division in two periods
It feels a bit weird to divide the history of PKI in two periods. Is there anything to suggest that PKI disbanded at the orders of the Dutch? As I understand it it continued working, although in a clandestine manner. Similarily PKI doesn't end 1965. It maintained a party apparatus at least til the beginning of 1990's. --Soman 18:37, 23 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I think it's reasonable to divide the PKI's history into two parts. It had two periods where it had major popular support, and was hugely influential in Indonesian politics - the 1920s and the 1950s-60s. I think it's reasonable to emphasize these periods. The PKI didn't just disband on orders of the Dutch in the 1920s - much of its leadership was forcibly exiled from the Dutch East Indies, or forced to leave to escape imprisonment, and had little interaction with people still there. It was pretty much wiped out, in my understanding. In between, a smaller group may have continued working, but I haven't seen much written about that era - I'd like to know about it. Several sources I've read, though (recently, Helen Jarvis's notes to From Jail to Jail), do describe the PKI's history in terms of two separate periods. Regarding the post-1965 PKI, the article should mention what was left of it, and what it did within the context of Suharto's violently anti-Communist regime, but I don't know anything about that.
 * Maybe the solution is to remove the specific years that I put in the headers, and maybe rename the sections? Then it wouldn't imply that it didn't exist at all outside of those years, while still highlighting the years during which it was most influential? Maybe rename the sections? How about "Creation of the PKI" and "Post-war resurgence"? CDC   (talk)  22:24, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

The post 65 conditions for anyone with any connections with anyone known to be involved with any left leaning organisations were close to disastrous, for a long time. It was not necessarily pki membership either, so perhaps it would be more appropriate to have a heading/article relative to suharto's terror methods during his regime, rather than a history of the pki. close to the ground in java in the 1950's you only have to look at the fate of the darul islam members, ex pki people in the 60's, to get a sense of the difficulties in distinctions...User:SatuSuro 08:26, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Tan Malaka peer review
I've put the article Tan Malaka, which I wrote a while back, up on peer review, here. I'd be interested in comments or suggestions on it, either on the peer review page or on the talk page. I'm still working on more images - ideas welcome.

It also wouldn't hurt to make sure he's properly described on this page. His relationship with the PKI was odd; he's often associated with it by historians, but he was only briefly (~3 months) the chairman, and didn't get along with most of the party's other leadership very well at all, as far as I can tell. He did write a lot about communism in Indonesia, and served (sometimes rather informally) as a PKI representative in the Netherlands, Russia, and China. Anyway, I'll work on that at some point if someone else doesn't first. CDC (talk) 23:49, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

size of membership?
''Growth of the Indonesian Communist Party

''Between 1960 and 1965, the PKI and its allied peasant organisations began to carry out a program of land seizures in order to make landlords comply with existing laws. These actions resulted in violent responses by landlords, and fights between security forces and peasants. Mass mobilisations began to increase very rapidly, with large protests in the main cities and a growing number of smaller protests in other towns and villages. The party also took up the cause of plantation and industrial workers in North Sumatra, and of Javanese migrants in North and South Sumatra. It supported Hindus against East Javanese orthodox Muslims who were members of the local elite, as well as opponents of Hindu priestly authority in Bali. All this grassroots activity contributed to a major increase in the membership of the PKI and the left wing of the PNI. By 1965, the PKI had three million members and was said to be the largest communist party in the world outside the Soviet Union and China. In addition to its vast membership, more than 15 million people had indirect connections to it through their membership of the peasant associations, labour unions and other affiliates.'' - source - http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=8944

SatuSuro 02:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Post War Resurgence
Uggh...this section needs to be reworded so it is all in past tense. Looks like a dodgy copy/paste job at the moment. Too busy to do it myself.

Not only that it's actually biased, and while I admit, the bias goes both right and left, somewhere in the middle lies the objective truth. Maybe you should consider that the PKI also attacked right-wing units in an attempt to control the post-war govt of Indonesia, almost handing the Dutch a victory with vicious infighting. 202.169.60.66 (talk) 07:01, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Proposed alliance between PKI Communists and Komando Jihad Islamists against the Indonesian government
Komando Jihad

http://books.google.com/books?id=8nHawM5ygMwC&pg=PA143#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=8nHawM5ygMwC&pg=PA144#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=8nHawM5ygMwC&pg=PA145#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=8nHawM5ygMwC&pg=PA142&lpg=PA142&dq=komando+jihad&source=bl&ots=SOXdJKqJK_&sig=zU_gpba6nsGHKzWMqnBMs37sHiU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=a19LU7icG9LKsQTLw4LQCA&ved=0CDMQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=komando%20jihad&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=8nHawM5ygMwC&pg=PA143&dq=Momok+Revolusioner+communist+rhetoric&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MF9MU8uQLbXQsQSI84GwDQ&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Momok%20Revolusioner%20communist%20rhetoric&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=-JlKtzgo81QC&pg=PA17&dq=Momok+Revolusioner+communist+rhetoric&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MF9MU8uQLbXQsQSI84GwDQ&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Momok%20Revolusioner%20communist%20rhetoric&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=-JlKtzgo81QC&pg=PA18&dq=Momok+Revolusioner+communist&hl=en&sa=X&ei=U19MU5f6H6rNsQSF6IHIAg&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Momok%20Revolusioner%20communist&f=false

Rajmaan (talk) 19:21, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Confused
Before 2025? What is that mean? Hddty. (talk) 09:54, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

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Refoundation
According to the following presentation, the PKI was refounded in June 2016, when it held its first legal national congress since 1962: https://communismgr.blogspot.com/2017/11/the-rebirth-of-communist-party-of.html 129.63.183.91 (talk) 21:09, 20 November 2017 (UTC)


 * This blog is not a reliable source. See WP:USERGENERATED. In any case, the revival of the PKI is currently inconceivable in Indonesia. Also, please add new sections to the bottom of the talk page. Thanks Davidelit (Talk) 02:34, 21 November 2017 (UTC)


 * The new PKI has a website, too: http://pki659.wixsite.com/komunisindonesia 129.63.183.126 (talk) 16:20, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

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Lede contradicts with the rest of the article
The Lede says "The PKI was a legal party made up of unarmed civilians operating openly in Indonesia’s political system", however the text of the article describes a number of instances in which PKI members took up arms, most notably in their incursions into Malaysia during the Konfrontasi. Additionally the article also describes the PKI leadership going underground for part of the immediate post-independence period. Finally, the PKI clearly wasn't legal after it was banned, or before Indonesian independence. Looking at the reference used to support this statement it is clearly referring to the author's view of the status of the PKI in 1965, and I'm not sure this should be stated as fact in the voice of Wiki. FOARP (talk) 13:20, 14 February 2019 (UTC)