Talk:Cristiano Ronaldo/Archive 7

Assists
Why are there no assists included in the table with his career statistics?? Assists represent the most basic pieces of stats when analyzing an offensive player's team contribution. They are as important as goals, so how you guys have missed it out is beyond me. Just check these other footballer's stats: Thierry Henry Lionel Messi

They both include assists! Please do something about this because it doesn't do justice to the credibility of wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abz94 (talk • contribs) 17:58, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The trouble is that assists are extremely subjective. Is an assist the last touch, the last meaningful touch, the last pass, what? There is no universal definition of an assist, so to include them here would open things up to interpretation through the use of different sources. – PeeJay 00:37, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * FWIW, assist is an official stat kept by both the Premier League and La Liga, so I don't think there's much dispute over what constitutes an assist. Wikipedians tend to find Soccernet stats credible: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/22774/cristiano-dos-santos-aveiro-ronaldo?cc=5901 --Mosmof (talk) 01:12, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

RONALDO
Copa del Rey top goalscorer: 1 (2011) Overwrite the award

Why the prize has been deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.180.51 (talk) 22:30, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Ronaldo
(Portuguese Footballer of the Year) awards was deleted why?

be written — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.54.180.51 (talk) 09:55, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


 * He's actually won the CNID Best Portuguese Athlete Abroad award and not the CNID Footballer of the Year/LPFP Awards as was in the article. I could only find sources for him winning the CNID Best Portuguese Athlete Abroad for the 2006-07, 2007-08, 2008-09 and 2010-11 seasons. If there are no objections I'll add this to the article. El0i (talk) 11:27, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Misquote from Maradona; not supported by the source
Near the top of this entry, the following appears:

"In 2012, Diego Maradona declared that Ronaldo was "the best player on the planet."[6]"

The article does not quote Maradona saying this, and there is no evidence that Maradona said this elsewhere. On at least two well-publicized occasions in the last year, Maradona has stated that Messi is as good as himself and/or the best player in the world:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/924058/diego-maradona-says-lionel-messi-is-as-good-as-him?cc=5901

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/maradona-perfect-comeback-pele-assertion-neymar-better-messi-082617809.html

Not that Maradona's opinion is the final word; he should not be misquoted, however. The assertion that he praised Ronaldo as the world'd best player is factually incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.15.87.66 (talk) 18:38, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


 * You should read the article, before claiming that it is incorrect. “Portugal just about won a qualification playoff to get to the tournament,” Maradona told Times of India. “They recently were booed at home, losing to Turkey. This is despite having the best player on the planet in Cristiano Ronaldo. “As good as he is with Real Madrid, he often seems frustrated on the national level, as if he was surrounded by players who do little to assist him. “Coach Paulo Bento has arguably one of the weakest sides in this tournament. “Ronaldo is the only actual threat. If the Germans can stop Ronaldo, marking him with two or three players, they can also stop Portugal's only offensive threat,” — Preceding unsigned comment added by SideMaster (talk • contribs) 22:30, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Of course he did, what you are referring to is a different interview. The article states facts, not opinions. Plus, football is a team sport and Ronaldo and Messi play in different positions, so it makes no sense to compare them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.92.93.32 (talk) 16:43, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

cr7 isn't euro 2012 top goalscorer
just torres was goalscorer,he wins golden boot,silver was gomez and bronze was dzagoev,wikipedia should use trust informations,not wrong informations,and maradona never said cr7 is the best player on the planet,i've saw the link and i didn't see maradona declaration like cr7 is the best player,just wrong,wtf man,you lies us? 12.239.145.114 (talk) 16:13, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 30 June 2012
Two days after Portugal's exit, it was revealed by Portugal teammate Nani, that coach Paulo Bento should not be blamed for Ronaldo's absence in the shootout. As it was Ronaldo's own decision to take the 5th penalty, Nani said "Cristiano Ronaldo demanded the last penalty". .

Mikear123 (talk) 01:25, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Ryan Vesey Review me!  18:57, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Lead needs to be trimmed
The lead in this article is much too long, and the content too detailed. See Manual of Style/Lead section. There are significant portions of the lead that are repeated verbatim without further elaboration in the body of the article. The lead should highlight the main features of the article, but not provide exhaustive information. I attempted to trim part of the lead, but that has been reverted. Any suggestions for improving and consolidating the lead would be welcome. Thanks, Safehaven86 (talk) 16:51, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree that it needs to be trimmed, mostly from the final paragraph. You deleted information about his early career, which I believe was inappropriate. Surely instead of that entire final paragraph, we could just say that he holds numerous scoring records. – PeeJay 13:27, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * How about instead of the last paragraph, we just put: "Ronaldo holds numerous scoring records, including the records for most goals scored in a season for Real Madrid, most goals scored in a season in La Liga, most goals scored per minute in La Liga, first top European league player to reach 40 goals in a single season in two consecutive years, and the first player ever to score against every team in a single season in La Liga." I think we could further trim down the lead by consolidating the information about the awards he has won. Safehaven86 (talk) 14:24, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, definitely. It is certainly enough just to mention the awards rather than the details surrounding them. Details are for the main body of text, not the lead. – PeeJay 14:30, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the penultimate paragraph could also be cut back a lot. – PeeJay 14:56, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I have taken a stab at it, what do you think? "Ronaldo was the first player to win all four main PFA and FWA awards, doing so in 2007. In 2008, Ronaldo won the Ballon d'Or. He placed second in the Ballon d'Or in 2007, 2009, and 2011. He was awarded the European Golden Shoe in both 2008 and 2011. In 2008, he won three of the four main PFA and FWA trophies and was named the FIFPro Player of the Year, World Soccer Player of the Year, Onze d'Or, and the FIFA World Player of the Year. In 2007 and 2008, Ronaldo was named FWA Footballer of the Year. Ronaldo was the inaugural winner of the FIFA Puskás Award in 2009." Safehaven86 (talk) 15:50, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me! – PeeJay 17:32, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool, I made the change. I have another question about the lead, regarding this sentence: "In 1997, he made a move to Portuguese giants Sporting Clube de Portugal." What does "giants" mean in that sentence? Is that an error? Thanks. Safehaven86 (talk) 17:53, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It means that they are one of the three biggest clubs in Portugal; it is not an error. – PeeJay 18:55, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Moved Maradona quote back into the lead. I can see why someone would want it to go, but not why it should. Does not violate Manual of Style/Lead section or NPOV.
 * I think that's fine for the lead, and certainly not against any policy. Looks like that info was removed a couple of days ago by RayDavid1. Safehaven86 (talk) 18:57, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Friendship with albert Fantrau
What about his friendship with Albert Fantrau... how far is it true... Why is not anything mentioned about him in his earlier life.... about his under 18 championship match when sporting lisbons manager came to meet him to offer him a chance in his academy ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.204.137.7 (talk) 20:08, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Playing position
He also played/plays as midfielder (central and attacking), from what i remember, but mainly during Man United --82.139.5.13 (talk) 18:27, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Not on a regular basis. I mean, John O'Shea played in goal once, but I wouldn't describe him as a goalkeeper; likewise, Ronaldo is primarily a winger/centre-forward. – PeeJay 00:54, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't worry about where he plays - I'd just go with how his club and country classify him, which is forward (which includes both winger and centre forward), but not necessarily striker. --Mosmof (talk) 02:00, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I have three games: PES 5, PES 2009 and PES 2012, and he's featured also having attacking midfielder as position. --82.139.5.13 (talk) 16:26, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * What some video game researcher thinks is irrelevant. – PeeJay 16:30, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Football video games use reliable sources too, when creators of football games EA (creators of FIFA series) and Konami (creators of PES), while looking which player has position, use them. --82.139.5.13 (talk) 21:09, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Would you care to enlighten me as to precisely the reliable sources that these football games use? As far as we know, they have their own researchers using their own opinions to determine positions, which is hardly reliable. – PeeJay 09:35, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * But really he's also attacking midfielder. You should see this. In this final of UCL 2008 he didn't play as "CF" (centre-forward), but as "LM" (left midfielder). BTW You must look sometimes at starting lineups of some important matches. --82.139.5.13 (talk) 17:18, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh my god, i've did a total mistake !!!. What i wanted to say was side midfielder !!!. I was confused. --82.139.5.13 (talk) 22:20, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've checked again my games and he's featured as side midfielder. BTW Pee Jay, i don't think Konami and EA use own researchers, they use of course reliable websites/sources, while having licensed for example La Liga and use licensed sources for positions. --82.139.5.13 (talk) 18:56, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 August 2012
UEFA Euro Top Scorer (1): 2012 Not true

http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/season=2012/golden-boot/index.html

95.42.15.159 (talk) 18:06, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please make your request in a "change X to Y" format. Mdann52 (talk) 18:45, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

some websites and sources name him also as midfielder
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3914585/10-midfield-players-to-reach-100-goals-including-Ronaldo-Messi-and-Gerrard.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/danwalker/2011/05/fergies_best_xi_the_midfield.html

http://www.fifa.com/ballondor/archive/edition=1999902008/photo/991/938/picture.html#991938

http://centralmidfielder.com/2011/08/23/the-rise-and-rise-of-cristiano-ronaldo-part-i/

http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/eurocup/lists/euro-2012-top-10-midfielders-gallery-060212#tab=photo-title=Cristiano+Ronaldo%252C+Portugal&photo=31050584

--82.139.5.13 (talk) 19:17, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 7 August 2012
In the fourth paragraph it says that Ronaldo had the "most goals scored in a season in La Liga" however this is incorrect because his highest is only 46 while Lionel Messi holds the record with 50. http://messivsronaldo.net/ http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/22774/cristiano-dos-santos-aveiro-ronaldo?cc=5901 http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/45843/lionel-messi?cc=5901

Not done: please make your request in a "change X to Y" format. BigNate37(T) 17:37, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Goals per Game Ratio (25 August 2012)
The Goals per Game ratio must be added to the "Club" chart in the section Career statistics. This must be made only in the final column titled as "Total", in order to make it more summarized. The last "Total" column will contain three sub-columns, being these: Apps - Goals - GPG (Goals per Game).

By adding the above, it will be easier to compare the goals scored by Cristiano Ronaldo with the goals scored by another player (e.g. Lionel Messi). It's way easier to compare the amount of goals scored in a given number of matches than the amount of goals scored overall. The GPG ratio will make it better.

Currently, the GPG's for each season are: 2002-03: 0,16 2003-04: 0,15 2004-05: 0,18 2005-06: 0,25 2006-07: 0,43 2007-08: 0,85 2008-09: 0,49 2009-10: 0,94 2010-11: 0,98 2011-12: 1,09 2012-13: 0,50

As we can see, the GPG's allow us to analyze better the ups and downs of the player throughout his career. — Preceding signed comment added by AndresSuescun (talk • contribs) 02:18, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * This seems like a WP:FOOTY issue than something specific to this article. Mosmof (talk) 03:22, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * We are discussing about the same in the Lionel Messi's talk page, lets keep it short. --AndresSuescun (talk) 02:58, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Philanthropy
I'm going to add this reference.

And the following text:

In November 2011, Ronaldo donated a pair of his football boots to be auctioned by Real Madrid's 'Clasico' network. They were sold for £2050 with the proceeds going to fund schools in Gaza, Palestine.

Thanks

--Omar418 (talk) 23:08, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

ronaldo messi picture
there is a picture of messi which has no relevancy in this page at the bottom. has to be removed immediately! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.71.196.50 (talk) 01:30, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

100 International games
Ronaldo completed 100 games for Portugal 12th of October 2012, it's still at 99 games on the Main page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.161.222.35 (talk) 00:46, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 November 2012
I wish to put on a new picture for cristiano ronaldo. I'd be glad if you'd let me do so. Will make sure it is a latest picture and the picture wont be offensive to anyone.

Regards.

RJ 7799 (talk) 10:38, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Not done: If the image is one which you wish to upload, please make the request at WP:Files for upload, but please be sure to read the help and information on that page about copyright of images. If the image already exists on Wikipedia or Commons, please specify the name of the image, and where in the article you would like to add it. You should have consensus on this page that adding the image will improve the article. Thank you. Begoon &thinsp; talk 04:05, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Records
I'm a Cristiano's fan, but is wrong to put a record that dont belong to Cristiano, like: Most goals scored in a season in La Liga, most goals scored per minute in La Liga. That records, now belongs to Messi, beating 46 goals of Ronaldo, with 50. So, please remove that records of the Main page.

Who? Norum 19:07, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 3 March 2013
The number of games and goals cristiano Ronaldo has made real Madrid should be changed from125(136) to 184(185).Please grant permission

Falca0123 (talk) 12:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Where? In the infobox? If you read further down, you will see that the infobox is for league stats only. Thanks. – PeeJay 12:46, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I am closing this edit request per the above response. Also please note that individual editors cannot be granted exceptions to the protection policy. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 05:28, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Name pronunciation
Isn't it ? Here in Rio de Janeiro (the closest Brazilian dialect to Portugal in prosody, among some other characteristics) it would render. I'm not suggesting those transcriptions, I know that the guides on Wikipedia are only a gross phonemic approximation of Portuguese pronunciation and such details would confuse rather than help the average user, my point here is that having the stress syllable (sílaba tónica/tônica) of Cristiano on the A instead of a TIA seems to be a typical non-carioca Brazilian thing as "they speak as if singing" (an Italian opinion, not mine), this is something I would never imagine a Portuguese doing. Lguipontes (talk) 00:33, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Error under records
The record entry under Spain stating that Cristiano Ronaldo is the first player ever to score against every team in a single season in La Liga is wrong. It has been achieved on 7 occasions before, in 1928-29 by Paco Bienzobas, in 1929-30 Guillermo Gorostiza 1929-30, in 1930-31 by Luis Regueiro, in 1933-34 by Isidro Lángara, in 1940-41 by Pruden, in 1942-43 by Mariano Martín and in 1950-51 by César Rodríguez.

He is however the first player to achieved this under current league format with 20 teams, the others did it with 10, 14 and 16 teams. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.55.197.33 (talk) 20:17, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Correct some records
Please correct this errors:

"While left footed, he's able to control the ball just as well with his right foot." This is the wrong way around. Ronaldo is naturally right footed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jtudsbury (talk • contribs) 16:09, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

''As of 23 December 2012 Most goals scored in a single calendar year for club and country: 63 goals (2012) (fifth highest all-time record, behind Zico (71), Pelé (75), Gerd Müller (85) and Lionel Messi (91))[294] World''

This is not a record abolute neither relative. He scored 63 goals in 2012, and Messi 91. Where is the record?

First top European league player to reach 40 goals in a single season in two consecutive years

This is false right now. Messi is already 41 whereas Cristiano is 27. So its a shared record. Unless he scores 13 goals in 10 matches, he won't be absolute recordman again

The first player ever to score against every team in a single season in La Liga

Be ready for next match against Celta, where Messi will probably score as well, and so he will share this record with Cristiano. But Messi will be the only one scoring all teams in a single season in-a-row (so he needs less matches, and so must be placed first in case of draw). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.57.57.223 (talk) 01:28, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

OK voilá. Right now this last record is shared with Messi, but Messi did it in half season instead of a whole season, scoring all opposite 19 teams in a row. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.57.57.223 (talk) 18:39, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Why is this page locked for edits?
It seems silly that this dude's page is locked for edits. What the heck is going on? YOU GOOD PEOPLE! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.206.143.173 (talk) 21:19, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Because the page is a constant target of vandalism when it is unprotected, even it still happening when it is protected. Vandalism in this talk page indicates why the page should not be unprotected. You can create an account instead. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  01:55, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, heavens! Seems silly to vandalise Ronaldo.  Must be Barca fans..or Jose Mourinho tryna get outta his contract!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.206.143.173 (talk) 03:49, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

CRISTIANO RONALDO THE STER MAN
Cristiano Ronaldo missed five of Portugal's 12 qualifying matches, and it is coincidence Carlos Quieroz's side failed to sercure an autimatic place without their talisman. That said, Ronaldo has struggled to replicate his scintillating club form while wearing international colours. He failed to score in the current qualifying campaian, but after netting 25 goals in his last season at Manchester United, he scored nine in six games following his record-breaking $120 million transfer to Real Madrid. Born: 05/02/1985 Position: Midfielder Caps: 68 Goals: 22 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.212.225 (talk) 10:19, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 June 2013
Manchester United F.C.

5.71.68.237 (talk) 16:12, 9 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. -- El Hef  ( Meep? ) 16:18, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 June 2013
On May 16th, 2012 in a friendly against Kuwait, Cristiano Ronaldo scored the second goal of the night. Real Madrid won the match 2-0 and left all fans in Kuwait with a reason to be happy.

178.61.2.130 (talk) 14:33, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Unsourced, POV and not notable. Mattythewhite (talk) 14:42, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Fix Bio Stats
His height is actually 185cm, i found out in the Ronaldo Tested to the Limit video — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.186.142.220 (talk) 16:26, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

5.1 spelling correction request
"practicing Roman Catholic" should be "practising" since it is being used as a verb.
 * Yes check.svg Done per WP:ENGVAR. Note "practising" is the British spelling, while "practicing" is the American version. The article is generally using the British variety, so I have adjusted the spelling in this case to match. Thanks, Nici  Vampire  Heart  17:41, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request
Hey guys, just a minor thing, I think perhaps the wording of the third paragraph in Personal life could be changed as right now it might seem a bit ambiguous: announced on 3 july X became a father on 3 july (it's the former, as the son was apparently born in June, first google result: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2005735/Happy-birthday-son-Cristiano-Ronaldos-year-old-boy-baptised-amidst-armed-military-police.html). Something along the lines of "On 3 July 2010, Ronaldo announced that he had recently become a father...". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.77.119.100 (talk) 16:03, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 August 2013
It is 201 goals in 199 appearances for Real Madrid

72.199.5.203 (talk) 04:58, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * What exactly do you want changed? If it is the infobox, you should be aware that those stats refer only to appearances and goals in the league. Thanks. – PeeJay 10:19, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

CR7 Shop Locations
Saying that there are only two is false. There is one in Vilamoura in the Algarve. I do not know whether there are more than three though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.220.225.225 (talk) 07:45, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 6 September 2013
I will like to erase the fact that Ronaldo won a bronze medal at the European Championship 2012 held in Poland and Ukraine because there are neither third place matches nor bronze medals at European elite competitions.

Tobexi (talk) 15:26, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You are right that there are no third place matches, but per the Euro 2012 regulations, 40 bronze medals were awarded to each of the losing finalists. – PeeJay 21:16, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 September 2013
Cristiano Ronaldo has 209 goals in 205 apps.

2602:306:C5FB:1F20:7036:31F4:C53B:B419 (talk) 20:25, 23 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done:. Please say which bit of the article you think should be changed, and identify a reliable source for this information. Thanks. --Stfg (talk) 15:45, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Typo
"In April, he completed the treble by winning the PFA Fans' Player of the Year. He also won the PFA Fans' Player of the Year and the FWA Footballer of the Year, becoming the first player to win all four main PFA and FWA awards."

PFA Fans' Player of the Year is mentioned twice.
 * ✅ Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  01:14, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Record Transfer
There is no official source which can prove that Bale cost €100m. In fact, many Spanish newspapers and Real Madrid officials claim he cost €91m while British newspapers claim he cost €100m. So there is no actual proof that Bale really is the world record transfer. Yet, on Wikipedia it is stated as a fact! Maybe this should be discussed?


 * On the Gareth Bale talkpage have we discussed this issue. Because neither Tottenham or Madrid have confirmed the actual fee, have we added both the €91m fee (reported by Spanish newspapers and Real Madrid TV), and the €100 fee (reported by British newspapers) on the Gareth Bale article (see third paragraph and the first paragraph under Real Madrid). I have also added "reportedly" in the first paragraph on the CR article, because CR's fee is confirmed by Madrid (and that would make him still the most expensive player ever) as Bale's fee is not confirmed by either club. Also adding this source (http://as.com/diarioas/2013/09/06/english/1378472217_751539.html), already added on the Bale article, that states that RM insisted that CR is still the most expensive player ever.


 * He still seems to be the world record transfer. Source: Goal.com: Perez claims Bale cost 91m -- Tkotw12 (talk) 12:39, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * And another source: ESPN.co.uk: Ronaldo cost more than Bale - Perez -- Tkotw12 (talk) 14:07, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 * FIFA.com: Bale set for Real return after training -- Tkotw12 (talk) 11:32, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Wrong record entry
The record that states Ronaldo has the record for most goals scored in three consecutive La Liga matches is wrong, it is a Real Madrid record al right but it is not a Spanish record, that belong to Isidro langara who scored 10 goals in rounds 9-10 and 11 in the 1934-35 season. Also Bata scored 7 and 4 goals in round 10 and 12 1930-31. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.44.57.176 (talk) 23:18, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Correction to Intoduction
Cristiano Ronaldo, is now the joint leading high scorer for the Portuguese national side, with 47 goals, equal with pauleta. In the introduction, it still lists him as their second-highest goalscorer. Can someone who has the ability to change this do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.185.41 (talk) 09:47, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Honours - Individual
I think that Ronaldo got too many individual honours in this section. We could sort them by clubs or years, avoiding that confusing list.

10cents (talk) 13:27, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
 * You're right, it's a lot of awards, but they are already sorted by year in order of the last time Ronaldo won the award. Not sure what else to suggest. – PeeJay 13:58, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Edit suggestion: Cristiano Ronaldo Official Community
Section 5.6 (Outside Football -> Media) should refer to Viva Ronaldo, the Official Cristiano Ronaldo Community. I suggest the following edit:

Cristiano Ronaldo’s official community is Viva Ronaldo, which creates a social experience around Cristiano Ronaldo and his fans, available 24/7 and featuring exclusive content. Fans can play trivia challenges and follow live matches, supporting and predicting Cristiano Ronaldo’s in-game actions to collect points and rewards, interact with Cristiano Ronaldo himself and follow his social activity, among many other features - gaining access to exciting prizes such as match tickets, autographed memorabilia or the chance to meet the player. Viva Ronaldo is accessible as a website, iOS app, Facebook page and Twitter account.

Sources:

Viva Ronaldo: The Official Cristiano Ronaldo Community

[http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151643436262164&set=pb.81221197163.-2207520000.1385745497.&type=3&theater Cristiano Ronaldo Official Facebook Post - From now on I'll be closer to all of you. Viva Ronaldo is live!!]

Cristiano Ronaldo Official Facebook Post - Welcome to the new season

Cristiano Ronaldo Official Facebook Post - Viva Ronaldo winners were in Lisbon for Portugal x Israel.

[http://twitter.com/Cristiano/status/403528698936041473 Cristiano Ronaldo Official Tweet - Thanks for the support on Cheer Ronaldo on the past days. Congratulations to the winner.]

--Aedias (talk) 23:48, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I ought to point out that Wikipedia is not an advertising service. If this "official community" has been mentioned in reliable, third-party sources, then I guess it deserves a mention here, but nothing major. Like I say, we're not here to do Cristiano Ronaldo's marketing for him. – PeeJay 23:51, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Major or not I still think that it should be mentioned here for information purposes. And regarding reliable sources, here are some examples:

http://as.com/diarioas/2013/12/13/english/1386953936_605314.html

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/cristiano-ronaldo-now-own-social-network-035752286--sow.html

http://www.marca.com/2013/12/13/en/football/real_madrid/1386955963.html

http://www.leparisien.fr/sports/football/cristiano-ronaldo-cree-son-propre-reseau-social-13-12-2013-3405395.php

http://lemag.eurosport.fr/article/cristiano-ronaldo-lance-son-propre-reseau-social_a43811/1

http://socialmediatoday.com/kullin/2004121/cristiano-ronaldo-launches-his-own-social-network-viva-ronaldo Aedias (talk) 12:39, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2014
FIFA Ballon d'or 2013 winner http://www.fifa.com/ballondor/news/newsid=2260390/index.html

Svalle8 (talk) 19:19, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


 * ✅ Thank you for your suggestion, this information was included by other editors before I got to your request, so as the information is now included in the article, I have marked your request as done. - Arjayay (talk) 11:04, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 January 2014
the data regaring ballon d'or is missing since 2009. please update the records of ballon d'or winner as he won in 2013 and the previous were won by lionel messi.

59.90.218.62 (talk) 13:05, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Technical 13 (talk) 00:29, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Re: "widely regarded as"
We should always avoid using the weasel words, "widely regarded", especially if the justification is based on his winning Ballon d'Or, which would constitute WP:SYNTH. I don't see the problem with simply stating the facts - his awards and records - and letting the readers make the value judgments and not introducing inherently unverifiable claims. Editing to add Also, the practice of stacking cites to support the "widely regarded" claim is WP:OR. If a claim is strong enough, then it should only require one good source, and it's easy to make a "widely" claim by collecting opinions that agree with each other, but that's not NPOV. Mosmof (talk) 03:09, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I should add that we should avoid making any time-sensitive statements in the lede as much as possible - he'll eventually not be considered the best player in the world. But he will not stop being the winner of awards and holder of records. An encyclopedia should list things that have happened, and not a collection of what some unidentified people are thinking about the subject at this current moment. Mosmof (talk) 04:26, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. We all know that he will be consider as one of the greatest players in football history when he retires, but we should wait until it. He is at his peak of his carrer and has several years infront of him. Like you said, he wont be considered the best player in the world, it is still Messi, but he was the best player in 2013. There will always be argument about who is the best player of this generation (although the majority will say Messi as he is seen by many as the best player ever), so we should avoid "Widely regarded as one of the two best footballer in today's game and one of the greatest of all time" in the lead until he retires or is not at his peak longer. SideMaster (talk) 20:06, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Also wanted to add, Ronaldo actually received less than 30% of first-place votes from the media (Ribéry got 80 out of 173, Ronaldo got 48), which casts further doubt onto the "widely regarded" claim. Mosmof (talk) 20:33, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Ronaldo had a total of [www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25705654 1,365 points], ahead of Messi (1,205) and Ribery (1,127). There were 184 coaches, 184 national captains and 173 media members that voted. The votes from coaches and captains (368 total), relative to the 173 media members, changed the winner. As you claim that Ronaldo got less then 30% first place votes from media, then many of these 368 must have voted Ronaldo as their first vote. More people = more widely. So I see no doubt to the "widely regarded" claim. SideMaster (talk) 08:22, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * But that illustrates why we should avoid using the phrase altogether - it's murky and can be interpreted to mean whatever you want it to mean. You can make a similarly plausible claims that Messi and Ribéry are widely regarded as the best player in the world, and on the flipside, it's not untrue that Ronaldo is "widely regarded" as an arrogant prick who cares about his own statistics ahead of the team. I think there's too much POV and synthesis required to conclude that a player is "widely regarded as the best", a phrase that's not as meaningful as simply stating the facts. Mosmof (talk) 14:28, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * If your argument holds, Mosmof, then I should be able to copy/paste it into all of the following articles that also use weasel words in their introductions: Rafael Nadal, Lebron James, Lionel Messi, Pele, Zinedine Zidane, and roughly every widely praised sports figure on Wikipedia. One of the sources that you removed was from a FIFA press release which asserted that "Cristiano Ronaldo has been named the best player in the world for the second time...". If you'd prefer, I could refer such a quote in the introduction which is entirely fact based, that FIFA released that statement. On another note, in 2012, Messi received 41.6% of the vote for the Ballon d'Or which doesn't constitute a majority, whereas Ronaldo received 23.68%...a 17.92% difference. Not much of a difference as I see it and certainly not a consensus. However, those numbers are now meaningless as they are from last year and don't reflect today's consensus. In the end, I agree that weasel words and weasel phrases should be avoided, but that rule seems to apply only to Cristiano Ronaldo which is clearly not good work by Wikipedia. Georgiamode01 (talk) 04:11, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not a hard and fast rule, but my issue was that you equated one set of voting results as a referendum on the feelings of unnamed masses to make an ultimately unremarkable, but still grand sounding point. It's not that you should never say "widely regarded", but it should be used with caution, and using an award or stacking cites was either POV or OR. And if something that's not best practice is used in other articles, that's not a good reason to use it in this article.
 * And the FIFA press release was used to support the claim that Ronaldo was widely regarded as the best player in the world, which I removed from the article, so I'm not sure if that's a problem. Plus, we have plenty of independent sources that tell us Ronaldo won the Ballon d'Or, so I don't think we lose anything by not using the press release. Mosmof (talk) 02:26, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

I want the same standards that are used for all the other articles that I have listed (and all others), to be applied to the Cristiano Ronaldo article or conversely. I'd be more than happy to remove the weasel words from all of those articles using the very argument that you have presented. However, I'm more than certain that this will be met with contention. So how do we proceed?

I mentioned the following FIFA press release (looks slightly different than the one previously referenced) http://www.fifa.com/ballondor/news/newsid=2260390/

The article certainly adds to Cristiano Ronaldo's intro in that FIFA makes a significant declaration that will be their (along with the press) motto describing Ronaldo for the next year. In the intro, the suggestion I mentioned could look something like "After winning the 2013 Ballon d'Or, Ronaldo was 'named the best player in the world for the second time' by FIFA". Again, entirely fact based (the statement has a contributor...is only attributed to the contributor) and doesn't generalize to a consensus that doesn't exist. Georgiamode01 (talk) 04:41, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 January 2014
the value of appearance and goals as a real madrid player and manchester united player are wrong

PratyushSinha101 (talk) 05:45, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I assume you mean in the infobox in the top-right corner? Then no, those stats are not wrong, they are simply for the league only. – PeeJay 11:57, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2014
"please change 154 to 227" please chandge 167 to 235"

Noblejimmy (talk) 18:58, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * If you mean the infobox, look above. It's just for league games only... Kante4 (talk) 19:00, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Cristiano ronaldo
CNID Best Portuguese Athlete Abroad (4): 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011 2012?

UEFA Euro 2008 Man of the Match : Portugal vs Czech Republic ???

UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament (2): 2004, 2012 2008???

Fifa Ballon d' or (2) : 2008, 2013  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suhascr7 (talk • contribs) 06:15, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_European_Championship_Teams_of_the_Tournament#Austria_and_Switzerland_2008

Controversy in FIFA Ballon d'or 2013
Article has a lack of facts around the controversy of FIFA Ballon d'Or 2013. It was the first time that votes for the FIFA Ballon d'Or 2013 were extended two weeks, and Cristiano Ronaldo without winning anything in 2013 (neither collective nor individually) beat Franck Ribéry who leaded Bayern München to achieve a historical treble in 2013 and won UEFA title for the best European player (where Ronaldo only got 3 votes). Of course it is not the first time that UEFA MVP does not win Ballon d'Or (as ocurred with Lionel Messi and Andrés Iniesta in 2012), but at least Messi had won the European Golden Boot that year with a historical record of 50 goals.

Anyway, what I meant is that Cristiano Ronaldo did not deserve FIFA Ballon d'Or 2013 and it was the most controversial FIFA Ballon d'Or at all times, so the article should show at least a couple of lines explaining that if Wikipedia aims to be objective. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.21.28.240 (talk) 02:11, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * It's an individual award, so winning titles should NOT mattter. Ronaldo scored the most goals and was playing on another planet, send his team to the WC and so on. Other than that, i see no reason to include it, except for the extension of the 2 weeks... Kante4 (talk) 15:52, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Paragraph
"With a brace against Schalke 04 in a 6-1 victory on 26 February 2013, Ronaldo become the first player to score 10 or more goals in 3 consecutive Champions League campaigns.[214]"-the last sentence of club career paragraph date '26 February 2013' needs to be corrected to '26 February 2014' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anpya (talk • contribs) 07:45, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ Kante4 (talk) 11:23, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2014
Records that cristiano ronaldo holds are more than the records stated in this article, like "the most goals scored in an year in champions league, "the most number of goals scored through direct free-kick in La Liga" etc. please add more information under this topic. It would be great. and the source of these informations are from this article itself, but please do mention it where it need to be mentioned.

2.49.44.182 (talk) 18:11, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Question: Not sure what you mean by "source of these informations are from this article itself." Anything that goes in the article must be sourced to a reliable, independent source. If you're suggesting that we just take stats within the article and extrapolate them into claims about records, then that would be WP:SYNTH. It's important that all claims are verified, not just to confirm that they're true, but also to make sure we're only pointing out records that are notable. Keep in mind that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Mosmof (talk) 18:34, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Ronaldo is the only player to score in all 90 minutes of a soccer game
I think it should be stated as part of his records that he is the only player to score in all minutes of a soccer game that is 1st, 2nd, 3rd, ... to 90 minutes....even lionel messi has not accomplished that — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darreg (talk • contribs) 16:22, 27 February 2014 (UTC) Darreg (talk) 16:25, 27 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Do you have any source for this claim? QED 237   (talk)  17:07, 27 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Source: http://www.givemesport.com/430763-cristiano-ronaldo-beats-messi-to-set-new-record -SideMaster (talk) 22:29, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * That source appears to have misinterpreted the original source from the Daily Mail, which does not say anything about Ronaldo being the first ever player to perform this feat. After all, Pele scored over 1000 goals in his career, so how do we know he didn't score in each of the 90 minutes? – PeeJay 23:50, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I have looked around and haven't found a single source that says that Pele has scored in each of the 90 minutes. But that Ronaldo has scored in in each of the 90 minutes is confirmed. As you says, it is more possible that Pele has already scored in each of the 90 minutes as he has scored over 1000 goals (he scored 643 official goals), but Ronaldos record does not take friendly match in count. There are neither a source to confirm that Pele even scored in each of the 90 minutes. But if Pele has done it, then Ronaldo is the first European player to score do that (and that what I think the source tries to say). Maybe Ronaldo is not the first player, but he is the first European player to do that. -SideMaster (talk) 19:49, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Unless you have a source that says he was first, there is no info to add he was first. It could be one guy who only scored 90 goals in his career, but he still scored in all minutes. QED 237   (talk)  20:08, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yep. Absence of evidence is not an evidence of absence. Just because you couldn't find a source for other players scoring in every minute, doesn't mean there's never been one before Ronaldo. Mosmof (talk) 22:24, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed. And to be honest, I don't think we should even mention that Ronaldo has managed to score in all 90 minutes. It's just trivia, nothing to get too excited about. – PeeJay 00:15, 1 March 2014 (UTC)


 * It is still record, it can be even mentioned as 'shared with pele' if he has done so, Ronaldo has done that so I think it should be mentioned as this is an article about Cristiano Ronaldo, whether he is the first or second doesn't matter as long as it is a record — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.49.44.182 (talk) 18:29, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * But the point is, it's not a record that's recognized by any sanctioning body nor is it given much coverage by media outlet. And it's not so much a record as it is a trivia quiz answer. Mosmof (talk) 18:39, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Height
He's been measured with a laser at 1.85 m on the Castrol challenge, and is officially listed on the Real website as 1.85 m. Please update. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.215.141.237 (talk) 14:57, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅. Kante4 (talk) 15:04, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Edit Request under Philathropy section
multi-millionaire superstar Cristiano Ronaldo has shown a side of himself that few get to see – by donating more than £50,000 from his bulging wallet to pay for a desperately ill 10-month-old baby's operation.

Erik Ortiz Cruz was born with a neurological disorder that causes him to have up to 30 epileptic fits a day.

Surgery is the only solution to his condition but the boy's family has been unable to meet massive hospital bills with each test carried out costing around £5,000 (6,000 euros) and surgery likely to run to £50,200 (60,000 euros).

So big-hearted Real Madrid star Ronaldo, touched by the boy's local community's attempts to raise the money themselves, stepped in to fund the life changing medical care.

The player was at first asked to donate boots and a shirt to a fund-raising auction but decided to go the extra mile and foot the bill. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Praveshjain1991 (talk • contribs) 10:39, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
 * X mark.svg Not done Please specify the edit you'd like to see. The above looks like it's been copy-pasted from a news article that's been written by Ronaldo's publicist. Mosmof (talk) 12:28, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

In March, 2014 Cristiano was asked to donate his boots to raise money for the operation of 10 month old Erik Ortiz Cruz. Ronaldo, however went the extra mile and paid for the $83,000 operation in full. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Praveshjain1991 (talk • contribs) 10:18, 24 March 2014 (UTC)


 * As stated above you need source and to specify what change you need to be made. QED 237   (talk)  11:52, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Request for edit under Philanthropy section
Please add the following act in the Philanthropy section. "In March, 2014 Cristiano was asked to donate his boots to raise money for the operation of 10 month old Erik Ortiz Cruz. Ronaldo, however went the extra mile and paid for the $83,000 operation in full." Praveshjain1991 (talk) 05:41, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Please cite a reliable, third-party source. Mosmof (talk) 13:23, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Goals in Real Madrid & record
Please resum the overall goals which he scored in Real Madrid, as of 2 April 2014. (after the 1st QF against Dortmund), it is 246, NOT 247 (somebody maybe miscalculated it).

In 2013 he scored 15 goals in Champions League and 10 in the Portugal national team. It is 25 goals in international matches (clubs and national team), which achievment is a world record (shared with Lionel Messi and Vivian Woodward). For further details see Messi's wiki-page. Wattyler (talk) 21:44, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

9th Highest Paid Athlete
Should we add into the article that he is the 9th highest paid athlete in the world? [] Adamh4 (talk) 16:24, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

The Guardian Rankings
Ronaldo was ranked the 2nd best footballer in the world by The Guardian, this might be good information to include, especially when considering the Messi - Ronaldo debate. [] Adamh4 (talk) 16:35, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 April 2014
Please replace

"He was the first not Spanish to captain Real Madrid in a Clásico in the last 60 years"

to

"He was the first non-Spanish to captain Real Madrid in a Clásico in the last 60 years"

Reason: Grammatical error

Thank you.

Chewtw (talk) 23:14, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Jackmcbarn (talk) 23:55, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 May 2014
please add in "Honours" of Cristiano Ronaldo: FIFA World Cup 2006: 4th place; for all his achievements, his contribution to the Portugal National Football team is often underestimated, though he have'nt performed that badly at international level/tournaments. thank you.

Imrul87 (talk) 17:11, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think a 4th place is an achievement that has to be added. Winner or runner-up is common around here and maybe third places. Kante4 (talk) 17:20, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed
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Some records as of 25th of May 2014
Please update his records:

EUROPE


 * One of the two players, who won the European Golden Shoe award three times (in 2007-08 with Manchester United, in 2010-11 and 2013-14 with Real Madrid) (Lionel Messi also won 3 times)


 * Biggest margin between the first and the last European Golden Shoe award: 6 years (2007-08 and 2013-14)


 * One of the two players, who won the European Cup / UEFA Champions League top goalscorer award with two different teams: Manchester United (2007-08) and Real Madrid (2012-13, 2013-14) (Andriy Shevchenko won the award with Dynamo Kyiv in 1998-99 and with Milan in 2005-06)


 * Most consecutive UEFA Champions League matches scored in: 8 matches


 * Most goals in the UEFA Champions League round-robin phase in one season: 9 goals (2013-14)


 * Most goals in the UEFA Champions League knockout phase in one season: 8 goals (2013-14) (shared with Lionel Messi, who scored the same number of goals in 2011-12)


 * Most goals in the UEFA Champions League knockout phase overall: 34 goals


 * The first and only player, who scored in two European Cup / UEFA Champions League finals for two different winning teams (2008, Manchester United; 2014, Real Madrid)


 * Most consecutive seasons with at least 50 goals (in all competitions): 4 (2010-11 – 2013-14)

SPAIN


 * Most league matches scored in a season (38 games): 27 in 2011-12 (shared with Lionel Messi, who did the same in 2012-13)


 * Fastest La Liga player to score 150 league goals (in 140 games – matchday 5, 22 September 2013, season 2013–14)


 * First player to score 25 goals in five consecutive league seasons (Messi did the same, but he reached this tally later)

REAL MADRID


 * Most European Golden Shoe award: 2 (2010-11, 2013-14)


 * Most goals in a calendar year: 69 goals (in 2013)


 * Most goals scored in a single UEFA Champions League season: 17 goals (2013-14)


 * Most hat-tricks in a single season: 7 [2010–11 (6 times in league – twice with four goals – and once in cup) and 2011–12 (7 times in league)].

Wattyler (talk) 22:42, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

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