Talk:Dulquer Salmaan

Dulquar / Dulquer
Have seen his name spelt in both ways. It was spelt as "Dulquer" in the credits of his debut movie Second Show, I reckon. --Jairodz (talk) 06:36, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Dulquer Salmaan Inzamam K Sudheer (talk) 10:04, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Protection
Note that I've just fully protected the article in response to the edit warring today. Please seek consensus for controversial changes here on the talk page, and keep our WP:NPOV guideline in mind. Also, you may want to consider WP:DR. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:43, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

No consensus shown that table formating the filmography is helpful to reader
Per the Wikipedia wide consensus, tables should only be used when doing so is necessary to display information in a comprehensible manner for a reader and that simple lists are the preferred method. There is no consensus shown that tablizing the simple information in this article is necessary to help the reader understand the info. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  16:57, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Request rm script
Can an admin remove indic script (per this discussion from the infobox? Thanks. Torreslfchero (talk) 09:43, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
 * There is no script in the lead, and that discussion is unclear on infoboxes. Please clarify. Materialscientist (talk) 09:49, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Formatting Tables
Formatting tables does not follow the WP:FILMOGRAPHY guideline for how these tables are to be formatted. HRM (talk) 04:05, 8 October 2013‎ (UTC)
 * per your link "Some filmographies are presented in a tabled format; however, you should make sure there is an obvious benefit to table format before creating a table for a filmography." and per the manual of style on tables "(Tables) can be useful for a variety of content presentations on Wikipedia, though should be used only when appropriate; sometimes the information in a table may be better presented as prose paragraphs or as an embedded list. When the table formatting is so complicated that you cannot even restore an unbroken version, and the list version contains all the relevant information in a very readable (and editable) style that does not present an eyemagnet that draws away from the actual content of the article, (particularly when easy edits cannot be made without knowing the complex formatting and breaking the table) there is no obvious reason to include the table.
 * what exactly is the obvious benefit for creating a table in this article that i have missed?-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  15:36, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

According to WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers is a WikiProject dedicated to building comprehensive and detailed articles for actors and other filmmakers. Working to provide a greater focus on people in the film industry. To maintain standards for articles about people in world cinema, as well as for categories, templates, and other Wikipedia items that may support those articles. so tables are needed here for easy and better way to understand. HRM (talk) 04:04, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * what part of "Some filmographies are presented in a tabled format; however, you should make sure there is an obvious benefit to table format before creating a table for a filmography." do you not understand? there needs to be an obvious benefit.
 * the table is not needed to be easy to understand, a simple list does the same thing. the only thing the table does, other than make it hard to edit, is to create an eyemagnet that draws excessive attention to the table where there is very little actual information and away from the body of the text where there is a lot of information. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  04:13, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

According to WP:FILMOGRAPHY the information will be more clearly conveyed by virtue of having rows and columns. It will be an obvious benefit to this article. HRM (talk) 04:20, 9 October 2013‎ (UTC)

Creating a reason? information on every article must be clearly conveyed. So here for clearly conveying tables can be used.HRM (talk) 04:30, 9 October 2013‎ (UTC)
 * and a simple list clearly conveys the appropriate information. only when you start to include a gajillion bits of inappropriate trivia do you need the columns and rows TO SORT OUT THE CRAP from the important bits. including unnecessary trivia to support the "benefit" of a table format is ludicrous. --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  04:48, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Other Names
He is widely called as 'Kunjikka' by the mamooty fans Ashiqtk09 (talk) 03:24, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

GA Review
,, , , : Would any of you like to review the article for GA? JosephJames 07:14, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I believe I am not qualified for that. Reviewer should be an outsider, I have edited the article no. of times. Good luck for the GA.--Charles Turing (talk) 11:48, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I propose that Dulquer Salmaan filmography be merged into Dulquer Salmaan. The content in the former can easily be explained in the context of latter, and the Dulquer Salmaan article is of a reasonable size that the merging of Dulquer Salmaan filmography will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. The actor has 25 film credits in his list (including 2 as narrator (one is trailer), a playback singing, and a guest appearance). No need to rush, this is too early to create such a list and is unnecessary at present. 117.209.247.227 (talk) 11:18, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge The parent article's size is enough reason for the merger. Yashthepunisher (talk) 18:23, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ Klbrain (talk) 07:58, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Movie reference Link update proposal

 * Film Career
 * 2014 - present
 * paragraph no. 6

I found that the name of the movie "Mahanati" has lost its supportive reference link to during last edit, done recently. Please check for the needful. Thanks --Sonali ss01 (talk) 08:18, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Removed the [], generally a link should appear only once in the article. regards,  DRAGON BOOSTER   ★  14:41, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

1986
He was born in 1986, not 1983. Lest I be accused of ignoring the 3 revert rule, here's why 1983 is vandalism:


 * Reference 1 says his 30th birthday was in 2016. 2016 minus 30 is 1986. Not 1983.
 * Similarly, Reference 4 says his 29th birthday was in 2015. 1986, not 1983.
 * The only reference the other person has provided is this one. I can't Google Translate it, but the English phrases "34th B'day" and "Copyright 2020" indicate 1986, not 1983.
 * No other explanation for 1983 has been provided.
 * Don't be fooled by multiple editors posting 1983. For the most part, they haven't edited anything else except this article. Same person, multiple accounts.
 * And if there were some unexpressed reason to believe the birthday is 1983, then why did he once claim it was 1981, and once claim 1984?
 * So it's vandalism, not a difference of opinion, and the 3 revert rule doesn't apply. Art LaPella (talk) 00:54, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

DOB
1. There's a movie called Mutharamkunnu P.O where there's a dialogue said by actress Lissy. The dialogue says actor Mammootty has 2 children's. The movie released on 1985 month of June.

2. Hibi Eden MLA he's popular politician at Ernakulam district is classmate of Dulquer salmaan and his DOB 1983.

3. There's a Vanitha Magazine edition of 1987 which clearly mentioned in that DQ age was four at that time. And it is well clear in the cover photo of that edition. Reference: https://twitter.com/kevin88fern/status/1010909190859026433?s=19

4. Dulquer himself says that the Wikipedia DOB is wrong while he was interviewed with clubFM radio. 103.166.244.161 (talk) 07:59, 14 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Please see Help:Referencing for beginners Art LaPella (talk) 15:10, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Date of Birth
In all of the sources, the birth year is mentioned/implied to be 1986, not 1983. Please discuss here and seek consensus on why 1983 should be written disregarding the reliable sources present. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:14, 25 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Pinging for inputs. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:19, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * In this edit, an IP claimed that Salmaan on radio said his Wikipedia DOB was wrong but didn't provide any link. This is an interesting one: IP added "correct year of birth with proof". Its a reddit post where apparently a magazine dated 1986 published a photo of Mammootty with both his children. If its not photoshopped (doesn't look like one), then 1983 is probably true. Too bad we cannot use this reference becuase
 * Its not considered reliable
 * It amounts to WP:OR
 * WP:VERIFIABILITYNOTTRUTH
 * But it tells that there is good chance that he is born before 1986. If we can find any interview of Salmaan clarifying his age, we can update it with efn like I did for Allu Arjun after an IP a gave the link. Else, we should just stick to what the sources say. -- Ab207 (talk) 17:53, 25 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Agreed. We need an interview. Maybe Mr. Salmaaan should try contacting OTRS. We had a case like that regarding a Pakistani actress. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:03, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * , yeah. While we should be cautious when they claim to be younger, its somewhat believable if they claim to be older. -- Ab207 (talk) 18:08, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * True, like we did in that Sindhi actress' article who works in South films, forgetting her name. She said she was born in 1992, funnily some fans of her here, wants it changed to 93. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:25, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * That's Nikki Galrani, isn't it? -- Ab207 (talk) 18:31, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Hansika Motwani was coming to my mind lol and I knew she wasn't that person . - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:41, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Lol, that happens a lot. -- Ab207 (talk) 18:56, 25 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Here is a picture of Dulquer from the location of a 1989 movie (he is the 4th from left, standing by his father Mammootty), from which it is pretty obvious that he is more than 3 years old then.
 * Here is a claim by Dulquer himself that the birth year on Wikipedia is wrong.
 * Here is another magazine cover from 1987 which clearly shows him being older than 1.
 * Here is another reference (it's in Malayalam) by a politician Hibi Eden who claims Dulquer was his classmate in 1st Grade. Eden's birth year is listed as 1983.
 * There is also a Malayalam movie from 1985 which talks about Mammootty having 2 children, a girl and a boy, though I concur that it may not be a proof.
 * The 2 references that mention the 1986 day are from news portals that might have taken their data from Wikipedia, but again, no way to prove this
 * Either way, the magazine covers and location photos clearly supersede the article wishing birthday and show that 1986 is clearly wrong, and will only lead to more such articles that use the year here to further create wrong sources. VereOruDude (talk) 02:35, 6 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I've moved your comments in this recent thread. Keep the discussion here. Regarding the news sources, the oldest one created on 28 July 2015 doesn't seem to be taken from Wikipedia, from atleast what I've seen, since there is no mention of DoB in revisions prior to the one made on 28 July 2015, and that too doesn't mention birth year. As for keeping the contentious part as a note like you did here, I'd like to get inputs from . Though it is better than outright modifying the sourced content in a GA status article. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:57, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Adding a note for a contentious DOB seems to be practice in articles like Rachel Weisz, Fred Willard, Faith Domergue etc. VereOruDude (talk) 14:36, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Also not sure what you mean by 2015 being the earliest revision with the DOB. Here's an edit from 2012 that has the year (notice no sources). While looking for it, I noticed this edit by Basil9886 that 'corrects' the year to 1983. Dulquer's social media manager's name is Basil Elias and this could be an edit from him in the initial days this page was created. VereOruDude (talk) 14:46, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Yup. Did it myself in a few articles where different RS sources (news) would have different birth dates and birth places. In this case however, things are little different. The tweet with Salmaan's voice you linked above is not from a verified handle. Secondly, the scans you provided (one linked here) are not reliable sources. Most of these are circumstantial evidences. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:57, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * My point is that the sources with 1986 are unreliable too and are a case of circular reporting VereOruDude (talk) 15:02, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * not sure what you mean by 2015 ← Let me reiterate, the oldest source mentioning his DoB in the infobox is this created on 28 July 2015 To prove circular, we have to look at revisions of this article prior to this date. We have one on 28th July 2015, but this doesn't mention his birth year which is contentious. And all revisions prior to this date here makes no mention of the birth date. It is possible that the article was written a year back and reposted in 2015 and I obviously I didn't go beyond that. All in all this depends on Mr Salmaan giving an interview in which he says he was born in 1983. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:10, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * To reiterate my point, the earliest place where 1986 as the year of birth is mentioned is this unsourced edit here. There are no mentions of this year anywhere before that. It stuck around for a bit in edits in 2012-2013 before the year being removed. Unless we have a source from before that has this year, we should remove the year as was the case in the 2015 edit. VereOruDude (talk) 15:21, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * There is too much of a gap between 2012-2013 revisions of this article and the 2015 source. I don't believe the writer of the 2015 source article would go back into the article history to check for it. Can't delete based on assumptions and circumstantial evidences. Circular will apply when large chunks of data are copied from Wikipedia. A news article writer/editor can get that '1986' birth year bit from outside sources, which likely happened in this case. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:34, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree with them not going back in history to check it. But it is likely that news articles reported the year before too. Dulquer came into movies in 2012 and was popular in 2013,14. It is highly unlikely that no such news portals reported his birthday before 2015, and the 2015 one might have gotten it from there too, which is more likely (again, all assumptions, though very possibly what happened). Unfortunate that the original source of Dulquer's interview is now deleted. Also, please note that my claim is not that the birth year is 1983 (which would require more than just circumstantial evidence), but simply that 1986 is incorrect. Given that the circumstantial evidence above clearly points to 1986 being incorrect, we should atleast have a note of the contention in the article VereOruDude (talk) 15:46, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm not removing it, lets see what had to say. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:18, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, all. Since we now have access to the radio programme where Salmaan claims that his Wikipedia birth year is wrong and he is older, I think its okay to mention that in a note. Only sticking point is I'm not sure how to cite that in the article as we don't have original air date and the clip is just a twitter post, rather than an official one -- Ab207 (talk) 17:37, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * SIR, MY FACEBOOK FRIEND IS DULQUER'S SOCIAL MEDIA MANAGER . I HAD ASKED HIM ABOUT HIS "DOB"
 * AND HE SAID THAT THAT IT IS 1983.THEN WHY ARE YOU BLINDLY STICKING ON 1986 ITSELF? Achuprasad393 (talk) 13:02, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

FYI why I put back the notes for DOB — DaxServer (t · m · c) 11:07, 17 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Wait. @Ab207 @Fylindfotberserk I'm trying find if we mention 1983 or 1986? — DaxServer (t · m · c) 11:10, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Or maybe per WP:BLP, we should temporarily remove the DOB as there's a new dispute from editors? — DaxServer (t · m · c) 11:19, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I think there are enough evidences to say 1986 is dubious. 1986 should be either removed or qualified with a note. I don't think we have a source explicitly saying 1983, if I'm not wrong. -- Ab207 (talk) 13:47, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Pls see the latest interactive session of DQ taken during Swayamwarasilks inaugration on 19 March 2023. He said that he started acting at the age of 28. His first film Second Show released on February 3rd ,2012.At that time he was 28 yrs old which means he had born in 1983.Only by 28 July 1983, he became 29 years old. Before that his 2 films got released, including his career changing film Usthad Hotel(29 June 2012).

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 * Please discuss your concerns here. seems like some IPs and new users are back at it, I've been restoring the stable version from last 2-4 days from repeated disruptive by IPs and new users. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:44, 28 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Ab207@Krimuk2.0@DaxServer@Fylindfotberserk We finally have sources for updating the year of birth to 1983
 * - https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/malayalam/dulquer-salmaan-journey-mammootty-dq-factor-cinema-8861307/
 * - https://www.manoramaonline.com/movies/movie-news/2023/07/28/dulquer-salmaan-celebrates-his-40th-birthday-with-close-friends-and-family-nazriya-amal-surumi.html VereOruDude (talk) 15:57, 28 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Not exactly, we have many supporting 1986 also, see examples
 * Zoom
 * Filmfare
 * Hindustan Times - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:01, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 July 2023
Change DOB from 28/07/1986 to 28/07/1983. Today is his birthday and famous actress and his closest friend Nasriya Nazim posted on Insta wishing him happy 40. So it's a proof that he was born in 1983. Abhiijiith (talk) 14:11, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * People are not proof. WE need reliable sources. Anyway there are many sources that says he was born in 1986. At max, we can remove his DoB from the article owning to multiple birth year discrepancy in various WP:RS, but that would require WP:CONSENSUS here anyway. Just today a new source wished him for his 37th birthday . - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:46, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Few more RS quoting his 37th birthday today . - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:51, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Sources:
 * - https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/malayalam/dulquer-salmaan-journey-mammootty-dq-factor-cinema-8861307/
 * - https://www.manoramaonline.com/movies/movie-news/2023/07/28/dulquer-salmaan-celebrates-his-40th-birthday-with-close-friends-and-family-nazriya-amal-surumi.html VereOruDude (talk) 15:59, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello!Please correct Dulqar Salman date of birth from 1986 to 1983.Nazriya has wished him happy 40 in Instagram..So correct it instead of fooling people with wrong information. 117.204.107.42 (talk) 17:25, 30 July 2023 (UTC)


 * There are other recent sources that mention his birth year as 1986 or age 37 years. I've linked them above. WE can have a new consensus and omit his DoB altogether or keep both, something which have been done in various other BLPs. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:35, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

In an interview Dulquer says he is 40
He says this at 21:36 "being here at 40 is so much of a happier secure space". In 5:16 interviewer asks, How are you looking at 40 and he didnt refute it. Around 24:02 agrees to a statement of interviewer "At 40 you look better than Sunil Shetty"

Source: Ranveershow episode 332, uploaded in beerbiceps channel

Change DOB from 1986 to 1983 117.221.190.236 (talk) 14:51, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2023
Birth year must be 1986 and not 1983 2409:40F3:24:75A6:C062:CEFF:FE85:8FD1 (talk) 18:01, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Both years are sourced using WP:RS. Hence both are kept. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:12, 19 November 2023 (UTC)