Talk:Electric car use by country

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Title change
I would like to propose a title change from Electric car use by country to Plug-in electric vehicle use by country because the article does not just encompass all-electric cars. It encompasses all forms of plug-in electric vehicle, including battery electric vehicles, plug-in hybrid electric vehicles, and neighborhood electric vehicles. Thank you.--Gg53000 (talk) 19:43, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Support rename. Although the article began with the aim for all-electric car use, the fact is that most countries report plug-in electric drive vehicles sales lumping together BEVs and PEVs, with the only exception of France and Norway, and only the French classified PHEVs, even EREVs, as conventional hybrids. --Mariordo (talk) 14:59, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Update and Clean Up
Since the EV technology and market are rapidly changing, this article requires frequent updating, clean-up, and reorganization. For example, the section (e-car use in China) requires major reorganization to improve its readability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qx2020 (talk • contribs) 12:28, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Some inputs for 2020 update
--Denomir (talk) 19:49, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Data for 2020 is dripping in and the changes as compared to 2019 are astonishing, especially in Europe, where the EV market share roughly tripled YoY 2019-2020. I am reluctant to edit the page directly, hope this will help someone else to do the update:

- EU-EVS site has tons of statistics on Germany (~194 K BEVs in 2020), Norway (~80k), the Netherlands (~73k), Sweden (~28k), Switzerland (~20k), Spain (~18k), Denmark (~7k), Ireland (~4k) and Finland (~3k). Monthly sales, quarterly, yearly, market share per model, brand and automotive group, you name it. Not sure which of this is interesting for Wikipedia, but market share per group and yearly sales per brand are IMO quite interesting.

- German Y2020 statistics was published by KBA. In short: Germany is a biggest EV market in Europe now, with 394,940 plug-ins registered 2020, which is 13.5% of the German car market. 194,163 BEVs. Volkswagen took over the market, with VW brand alone capturing 17,4	 of the plug-ins and 23.8% of the BEV market. Tesla, with just 4,2% of the plug-ins and 8.6% BEVs fell into "also run" category. VW group took 33.3% of the plug-in market, followed by Renault/Nissan, and Hyundai/Kia.

-In Norway, the BEVs were over 50% of the car sales for the whole year. VW group was even more dominant here than in Germany, with Audi e-tron being the best selling EV and 3 out of the top 5 best selling models being from VW group. Some stats are available at electrek: BEVs: 76,800 (up 27%, at 54.3% market share), PHEVs: 28,904 (up 50%, at 20.4% market share), Total: 105,704 (up 33%, at 74.8% market share). Plug-in shares per automotive group : VW 34.37%, Hyundai/Kia 13.13%, Renault/Nissan 11.68%.

- Some data for the Netherlands was published on ev-sales, but EU-EVs statistics is far more complete for all of the above listed states. Plug-in shares per automotive group : VW 32.93%, Hyundai/Kia 21.26%, Tesla 12.2%.

- For UK, detailed EV sales data is difficult to get, but provides some interesting information: 108,205 BEVs (6.6% market share), 66,877 PHEV (4.1%), Tesla model 3 –est selling car overall in December, and VW ID.3 on the fourth place.

- For France, some data is available in cleantechnica: 185,500 plug-ins (BEV+PHEV) registered in 2020, up over 3× from 61,500 sales in 2019. Here, the local producers Renault and PSA are also the market leaders.
 * Thx for the tip. The update on this article has already began, I already updated the graphs for France, Germany, Norway, Sweden and the UK with 2020 registration figures, as well of some of the country sections. Someone else is updating the market share and other tables at the top of the article. Because these are only short summaries, the main articles are being updated, such Plug-in electric vehicles in Europe (work in progress), Plug-in electric vehicles in Norway (almost finished), Plug-in electric vehicles in Germany, etc. It will take several days to complete all the updates. Cheers--Mariordo (talk) 04:29, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

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Hong Kong
For the Top 10 countries by plug-in electric passenger car market share of total new car sales between 2015 and 2013 table, Hong Kong should be in the regional market section and not in the countryt section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.238.58.198 (talk) 02:27, 22 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Sure Hong Kong is not a country, but note that the lower regional market section includes places that are a subset of country (California) or a superset of countries (Europe), so the market share under this section are not independent of the country section. Hong Kong does not fit on this definition neither, as the PEV market share for China DOES NOT includes Hong Kong sales. As a special administrative regions of China, HK is an autonomous territory which possess their own governments, just like the British Overseas Territories.


 * So to be consistent, I see two options: (1) to change the heading of the country section to include these autonomous territories (such as Hong Kong, Cayman Islands, Puerto Rico), or (2) to open a new section to includes these territories; and in either case, keep regional markets as it is since the market shares shown there are correlated with country market shares. I prefer the second option to avoid confusion, but since for the time being the only autonomous territory is HK, and in order to keep a fair comparison to the readers, I would keep HK in the first section and change the heading (Option 1). I would like to hear other opinions and seek for consensus before making more changes to the table. The discussion is open! Cheers.--Mariordo (talk) 15:08, 19 March 2016 (UTC)


 * PS: And by the way, when you took HK out of the list, actually is Austria, not Germany, the number 10 in the ranking with a market share of 0.9%. Check here. Based on this official source (pp.78), a total of 2,778 passenger PEVs were sold in Austria in 2015 out of 308,555 passenger cars, resulting in a market share of 0.90%. I will make this correction later today.--Mariordo (talk) 05:22, 20 March 2016 (UTC)


 * As per my explanation above, I support option 1 (to change the country section heading to include autonomous territories, and move HK back to it).

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I've been working on cleaning up this big mess of an article and trimming it down (lots more cruft still to trim in the individual country sections :Þ ). One of the things that greatly helped with clarity was converting the long (prose) infodump in the intro into neat bulleted lists. Yet this seems to have earned it a "prose" tag, as if the user want the lists to go away. I do not think that would be helpful to the flow of this article, but what do others think?

This article is challenging because the status changes so quickly. People need to be more diligent about cleaning out bits of old history, particularly concerning projects involving small numbers of vehicles that have now been dwarfed, or projects that ultimately went nowhere.

Also, we simply can't afford to have, for each country, paragraph after paragraph like "In 2011, the top selling EV in X country was A, with A# sales, followed by B, with B# sales, C with C# sales ... Z with Z# sales. This represented a market penetration of A% for A, B% for B, .... Z% for Z. In 2012, the top selling EV.... .... In 2017 ....". The goal needs to only capture key moments in countries' EV history and major trends over time, while leaving out the bit players and ultimately insignificant events.

No? -- Rei (talk) 11:02, 18 September 2017 (UTC)


 * I agree. However a list, especially in the lead section of an article, is not very nice to see and is discouraged in the manual of style of Wikipedia. I think that clear short paragraphs summarizing the key points would be better. --Ita140188 (talk) 17:59, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

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Chainsaw
Yes, that was me. I My basic approach was that this is a summary article for comparison purposes. I squeezed out most of the history and detail. Several spin-off articles already exist. More can be added, but this article shouldn't grow much from here, except to add more countries. Replacing older data with new stuff is always welcome, but please dump the old stuff when you obsolete it. As is adding data to make the smaller countries more comparable with the larger ones. Remember that EVs are taking over the world. This field will change rapidly down the road. We don't need to go back to 20k words to reflect that. As always with my edits, I volunteer to correct any mistakes that you identify and feedback is strongly encouraged. Cheers! Lfstevens (talk) 08:32, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * reduced the word count by 2/3. It's still too long at >6k words.
 * reduced the ref count by hundreds. still hundreds too many
 * made everything more consistent, without adding anything


 * I wrote the entry on Croatia. It was not too detailed, because there is not much to say, but even that has been cut in half. The part about the subsidies is so terse now that it might as well be removed altogether, it's virtually useless. I don't think decimating the content simply for the sake of word count is the way to go.


 * For comparison, this is the "integral" version, and this is the current version of the section - I'd like to hear which version the editors prefer.


 * Several spin-off articles already exist, and that is fine. However, it is precisely the removal of content that will work against the creation of spin-offs in the future. GregorB (talk) 21:14, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Appreciate the feedback. However, I think the article is still too long. The deleted material is available in the earlier versions of the page. There is no reason to punish ordinary readers with stuff that at best belongs elsewhere. By ordinary readers I mean those who want current information, who aren't interested in who's (or who was) the best at some aspect of the activity and who are looking for an overview. I am happy (and welcome you) to make any specific changes/corrections that make sense. Lfstevens (talk) 04:09, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * How about forking stuff to e.g. Electric car use in Europe by country? If the concern here is purely article size, this would take care of it. Surely if this article were to cover 200+ countries (as its title potentially implies) in any detail, it is going to be huge and unwieldy. GregorB (talk) 17:27, 26 September 2017 (UTC)


 * I appreciate the work, but I think this has gone too far. There is no reason to cut useful information on sections that were already very small, such as the Croatian one. Saying that information is there in previous revisions is not helping. Nobody is going to search for information in the page history. As GregorB said, removing information from countries without their own article means that those articles will be much harder to put together in the future. --Ita140188 (talk) 09:36, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd say grouping articles by continent or even by parts of the alphabet (A-E...) is reasonable. I'd also note that the country bits aren't consistent. Finland is all about manufacturing, while many others are all about sales. We might want to agree on what contents are appropriate. Lfstevens (talk) 18:32, 3 October 2017 (UTC)


 * For your information, I already created the article Plug-in electric vehicles in Europe as a split from plug-in electric vehicles. Please fell free to contribute.--15:20, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Invitation to participate in a discussion
This is to invite regular editors of this page to participate in the ongoing discussion at the talk page of the electric car article regarding Wikipedia policy about pricing info included in several articles dealing with plug-in electric cars. You are welcome to express your view. Cheers.--Mariordo (talk) 13:48, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Promotional content issue
Hello. My concern is that the repeated references to specific brands is not in the interests of making this a neutral and balanced article, especially since much of it relates to one company in particular. The focus of this article is the take-up of electric cars in each country, not the individual models. This content could be appropriate in the articles for the products/brands themselves, but in the context of "Electric car use by country", it comes across as WP:promo. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 07:57, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi. I agree that there is some content that unnecessarily mentions individual models, but there is notable content also, such as the top selling models in a country, or models that are available only in a specific market/county (such as China), the first electric car with lithium batteries, the first models available in a country (specially in small countries), etc., so I do not agree with trimming across the board all mentions of specific models. Any other thoughts? Cheers.--Mariordo (talk) 20:00, 26 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Yep, that's a good point. This time I'll be more selective, retaining specific models that are notable for the reasons you mention. Happy to discuss further if there's still any issues. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 22:24, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Milestone table
In the History section, there is a table of milestones and associated dates. Many the entries seem arbitrary, and so a criteria for inclusion in this list should be defined. These criteria should be objective—to ensure this list remains neutral—avoiding bias or favoritism. Hadron137 (talk) 18:44, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Proposed split
Creating a talk page section for this proposal - the Denmark portion of the page should be split into its own article, as it has enough content. Wgullyn ( talk ) 22:12, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * If you compare with any of the 'Plug-in electric vehicle in country X" articles, it seems there is not enough content to create a stand alone article about Denmark. Unless, the content is to be expanded significantly after the split. Cheers --Mariordo (talk) 23:48, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Data change
Reference 215 has been changed.

This article was amended on 1 February 2022. An earlier version, based on information supplied by the Electric Vehicle Council and Tesla, said there were 24,078 EVs in total sold last year, including 15,054 Tesla Model 3s, but this included sales for both 2020 and 2021. As a result the proportion of new cars sold that are electric has been amended from 2.39% to 1.95% Pokerash (talk) 17:04, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thx for the tip, done (2.74% as per, previous value was over 5%). Cheers--Mariordo (talk) 02:54, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Sales, not usage
This artilce's title is "use by country", but all of the information is about sales, not actual usage. They're probably correlated, but any reader doesn't know how well. Shouldn't the title be "sales by country"? -- Mikeblas (talk) 17:56, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

This article is about more than sales. Car use is just about 100% correlated with the percentage of electric cars on the road in a given place, and this article includes those statistics as well as statistics on market share. It also includes some facts about some countries' incentives that led to current percentages of use and market share. So, Electric car use is a good descriptor. Perhaps "Electric car use and market share by country" would be better. -- Fotoguru (talk) 02:02, 14 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't see any information about usage in the article. How is it measured? Miles driven by electric cars annually? Nothing like that is in the article. -- Mikeblas (talk) 19:55, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The article lists the number of EVs registered in various countries. If a car is registered it is used. Do you know of any logic that says they are not? They are registered and thus used on public roads, whether for a few miles or for 10's of thousands of miles per year. I would expect that electric cars are used more than fueled cars by people who have both because EVs cost much less to operate. -- Fotoguru (talk) 22:13, 14 February 2023 (UTC)


 * To be fair, I also agree that Electric car sales by country would be a more accurate title, although I don't have a strong opinion on this. --Ita140188 (talk) 08:15, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Proposed Split
I propose the Uruguay portion should be split into its own article, as it has enough content. There is additional information to be added into the article like annual comparisons and policy changes to push for electrification that, if added into this big article, might be to extensive. Lbiderman (talk) 16:00, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Use by country graph
The graph is misleading as Europe is not a country so it shouldn't be number two let alone be on the graph. PaPiker (talk) 13:06, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Which graph are you referring to? Ita140188 (talk) 15:32, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Electric car use by country. PaPiker (talk) 16:57, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * That's the title of this article, but which graph specifically in the article are you referring to? There are many graphs.. (or do you mean table?) Ita140188 (talk) 06:50, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Also the name of the graph. PaPiker (talk) 11:29, 5 February 2024 (UTC)