Talk:Emoticon/Archive 3

Flags
Shouldn't the flags be delimited by | instead of )? 203.218.88.47 09:12, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

tt or t.t
I am curious what tt really means cos i have seen it a lot in chat in battle.net (server for the popular pc game warcraft3 - amongst other) i did a search but don't seem to find an answer that pleases me.. is it an emoticon for crying, or does it stand for "top this"? i have seen it also as t.t, so i guess it is an emoticon..? discuss. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.76.29.242 (talk • contribs) 12:08, 2 January 2006 (UTC)


 * It sands for crying, you can also write it like T_T, ╥﹏╥, ㄒoㄒ. You can add the Chinese character 凸, thus it becomes 凸ㄒoㄒ凸. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.121.159 (talk • contribs) 14:38, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, t.t is sticking up middle fingers. Capital ToT, T.T is crying, sure.  But t.t is flicking people off with both hands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.211.167.210 (talk • contribs) 17:04, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Suggest all this be moved to ASCII art
Deleted material reproduced here as a matter of record: (click edit to see it; I made the section into a comment so as not to clutter the talk page)

I believe all of the above should be moved to the ASCII art page as they are not technically emoticons. Emoticons are defined as "keyed characters used to indicate an emotion," so in actuality, we're really pushing the envelope with a lot of the "emoticons" that only feature an activity. I'm drawing a line here at the ones which don't even feature a person, but rather an object. I hope this doesn't cause too much trouble. Please discuss here before putting them back in right away. Cheers. -- Hinotori(talk) 05:32, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Chinese emoticons.
Most Chinese prefer to use graph emoticons now, and lots of them are really funny. I really want to show you some of them, I just don't know how can you tell me. In the past and now in some signatures or nicknames used in instant messengers, they use some symbol emoticons similar to the Japanese ones, some of the may even contain Chinese characters. eg, 凸^_^凸, >_<, ¯^¯, ˇ︿ˇ,‧_‧?, ☆＿☆, ﹁ ﹁, ⊙o⊙... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.121.159 (talk • contribs) 14:26, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Smiley on wiki
Can you actually use smileies here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.10.7.99 (talk • contribs) 00:14, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Unless the occasion calls for it [Talk pages seem OK], it's not advisable. Too unprofessional. Haoie 02:54, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Tpvgames ad
User:Tpvgames (contribs) keeps reinserting the link to his own website at tpvgames.co.uk. This site is not particularly notable, and the link is clearly intended solely for advertisement. The fact that the user has ONLY editted emoticon related articles and has less than 25 edits overall suggest strongly that he has a specific agenda (not to mention the fact that his user name is the same name as his website). Wikipedia is not a soapbox. -- Hinotori(talk) 18:51, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

tpvgams ads :S

 * i am not advertising, i am merly offering more content and some emoticon creators which fit this page. I will remove the link to my site (i put it there to prove i was giving copyright) and also i will keep adding my page, it shoudl be there :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tpvgames (talk • contribs) 18:20, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, the emoticon creator (singular) that you're putting in is not notable (Google gives it a Pagerank of 0/10). It's a program made by one person (you), and distributed to a minor population. I will grant that the concept may catch on and it may become notable in the future, but as of now, I don't think it deserves its own section. Even if it were notable, the language that you're using to describe it is far too positive and does not reflect a neutral point of view. For example, saying that it is the "future of emoticons" (see Wikipedia is not a crystal ball), addressing the reader with "very own," and including only one emoticon creator application (your own), when the website is not particularly notable, all make the section about your website seem very much like an advertisement.


 * This is especially problematic when more notable generators like that used for MSN emoticons here (higher Pagerank) are not included. To be fair, we'd have to include all of them when frankly, none of them seem particularly notable to me to begin with (although I'm not saying I'm the only judge; if other users feel differently, feel free to weigh in).


 * I did however reinclude your examples in the graphic emoticons section as I feel they do help illustrate what graphic emoticons look like. Thank you for allowing Wikipedia to use them. I had to remove your signature though, as signatures don't belong in the article itself.


 * Please don't take these edits personally; I have no animosity towards you or your site; I'm merely trying to work towards a neutral, concise, informative article. Cheers. -- Hinotori(talk) 19:43, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * You are wrong again, the program is made by more than just me.. there are over 20 registrations per day to the program (without wiki) and alot of users say how good it is.
 * and on emoticon page wouldnt you want to include emoticon generators and creation software which is free to the public? i believe it makes sence and also fits into the page. However i will compromise, i will like to the emoticon creators page in wiki inside the "see also" category. Hope thats ok!
 * --Tpvgames 15:15, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't see how the fact that it's made by more than one person rebuts my point either way. It's not notable. Twenty registrations per day are far less than many, many programs, both free and not free, get that aren't mentioned on Wikipedia at all. This is apparent from the fact that your article, "Emoticon Creators" (which theoretically would cover more than your program alone) was unanimously (minus yourself) voted to be deleted at its AfD. This doesn't say anything about its quality. Notability and quality aren't the same (see WP:Notability). I'm sure many users do in fact enjoy the program, and kudos to you for that, but it's not well-known enough yet for a Wikipedia article. -- Hinotori(talk) 13:36, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

My last edit
I'll just number the reasons for my edits.


 * 1) I took out ":D" and "D:" because it says in the paragraph before the examples that all of them can have their hyphen omitted.
 * 2) I changed "childish laugh" back to "laughing so hard the eyes are closed" because, after seeing this emoticon dozens of times, I've always seen the latter usage more than the first. (If anyone disagrees, let's discuss it here.)
 * 3) "Handicons" need some kind of citation. A Google search for "handicons" or even "hand-icons" revealed zero relevant results that I could see. That's odd especially since handicons would be a web-based phenomenon if they do exist. I've seen one or two a couple times, so I left the section in there, but we really need something to back up their existence, or I might take them back out. I also structured them in a table like the other examples for the time being.
 * 4) Sigh. I removed the Emoticon Grammar section because it's not notable. (I'm seeing a pattern here.) Both websites referenced are simply not very important or authoritative. (The first is a link to what looks like a non-notable musician's blog, and the second is another link to tpvgames's website.) Tpvgames, I really encourage you to read WP:Notability, since you've been repeating the same faux pas multiple times.

Hope everyone's ok with these changes. -- Hinotori(talk) 13:36, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I noticed that someone changed "laughing so hard the eyes are closed" back to "childish laugh." Why? I have never seen it used in that way. I won't change it back for now, but if I don't see a reason here in some time, I will go ahead. -- Hinotori(talk) 03:41, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


 * "chlidish laugh" stands for smiley that kids use to express laugh. 88.154.5.22 09:16, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Not happy!
Im a bit disappointed the Emoticon Grammer documents were notable. And it isnt like tpgames site is making any money on putting a link on here, he dont even have any ads!! I will be putting them back on, and i will continue to do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.219.110 (talk • contribs) 14:31, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * You haven't given me any reason to believe that either website is notable. I didn't say the two sites were ads. I said they were not authoritative or well-known, which as far as I can see, is completely true. I won't revert it again for now, but if you don't give me a solid reason to keep them, I will file a WP:RfC regarding the article to get some outside opinions. -- Hinotori(talk) 03:37, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Emoticon Dictionary.
It will be funny if an emoticon dictionary is set up. PS: I made up some funny graphic emoticons, better than the emoticons you used in msn or aim... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.119.81 (talk • contribs) 16:45, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Regarding hyphen noses
Simply adding a hyphen to an emoticon can still change the meaning. Take for example, the classic colon-d emoticon:


 * :D

Now if you add a hyphen to this, you get


 * :-D

Adding a hyphen can totally change the emoticon's mood. Where the former has a more primitive mood of joy, nothing else, the latter shows a more civilized grin. I propose the emoticons list have all hyphens removed with this note. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.201.16 (talk • contribs) 04:01, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * WP:NOR - NTK 02:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

For what is so called 'East asian Emoticon'
in korea, we don't use Emoticon that kind of.. rather, another system using. so, It should be changed and amended. the next is example of korean Emoticon. - Ellif 01:54, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


 * ㅠ.ㅠ or ㅜ.ㅜ
 * @))))))))))))    Gimbap
 * OTL              Dispair
 * m==(^^)==m       Superman
 * m==(^^)==m       Superman

p.s This page also remains of many 'korean emoticons'. It haves a kinds of western or japanese. but It have different things also! p.s.2 this page also~!


 * These are basically East Asian Style, have no idea why you said they are not. -- G.S.K.Lee 15:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

emoticon definitions
as anyone who uses emoticons would know, that the actual meaning of an emoticon is far more complex than just a couple words. For example, the definition of XD is not a childish laugh though at times it can be used. It's predominanetly used after certain statements that are somewhat selfmocking ish, for example, "no, I havn't started my homework yet XD" (when it's 11 pm of course).

I think it's impossible to actually define the exact meaning of each emoticon without dedicating a seperate wiki for each emoticon (which should be done :D) though for now, I added a quick comment that the definition of each emote is not absolute, rather a very basic guideline.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.137.149.0 (talk • contribs) 07:00, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Everyone has a slightly different definition of what it means, and a lot of it is based on context. Going by your example of "XD", I often use it in a sarcastic manner, like "Man, I was such a n00b yesterday XD" and other times simply to replace "lol" or similar.  So yes, separate wikis for each emoticon would be good to discuss nuances, basic definitions are fine and should be taken with a grain of salt. Keakealani 03:03, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

¬_¬
This is listed under anime smileys when it totally isn't. It's a common smiley for the British as it's on the keyboard with a simple shift. I have never seen an anime in my life and I've used it as long as I've been on IRC. In other things would @>-'-,-- be considered a "smiley"? It's a rose and used a fair bit but it isn't really a face? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thnom (talk • contribs) 17:48, 21 March 2006 (UTC)


 * It's anime-style because it's read vertically, and it's commonly used by people in those sort of circles. I use anime-style emoticons sometimes, and I don't watch anime. It's just a term. — mæstro t/c, 04:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

:-0
Couldn't this also be a friendly smile? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.172.165 (talk • contribs) 06:47, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Different 1979 Version
This past weekend I picked up the MAD Magazine board game from a thrift store. It has a 1979 copyright, and uses a :) smiley on the board. Another bit to work in? --Elijah 02:27, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Here a quick picture: --Elijah 02:51, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Though it has a 1979 copyright, it could have been printed later, though. Have you checked? -- Gennaro Prota &thinsp;(talk) 02:00, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


 * That along with the Lili ad discussed on the smiley page make me think the inclusion of the 1981 Scott Fahlman suggestion to be very marginal in the development on the emoticon. The origins probably need to rewritten. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.183.88 (talk • contribs) 03:39, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The Mad Magazine board game reference strikes me as dubious at best. Whilst this may, with modern eyes, be recognisable as an emoticon, what evidence is there that this was the author's intent?  The closing parenthesis is not even a standalone entity, but rather part of a set of brackets.  It strikes me that this is more likely a typographical oddity than any precursor to the emoticon.
 * As stated below, the Lili ad features a smiley, not an emoticon.
 * Scott Fahlman's Usenet post was absolutely key to the history of the emoticon. From personal experience, I can state that the usage he suggests in it was still current (on Usenet) in 1985/6.  An interesting question for net historians would be when the usage of :-) changed from denoting jokes and sarcasm to denoting happiness.--Cyberinsekt 00:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Eyebrows in smilies
I may have missed it when I was looking through the list, but something that I do with emoticons is to use a semicolon to show a raised eyebrow, such as: :-) > ;:-) :-\ > ;:-\ This, IMO, gives an added depth to the emotion expressed. I haven't seen anyone use this aside from myself, and was curious to see if anyone else that contributes to this article does the same thing or has seen it used before. Willbyr 14:04, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup
I've read the peer-review page, and I agree to an extent. However:


 * The etymology section at the top is a mess. I know it's hard to trace this kind of thing, but it's better not to say anything about the etymology than to have such a confused section.
 * The split between vertical and horizontal smileys is not properly done.
 * There is no mention of the term "bixies" and the influence of Byte Information eXchange on emoticon development.
 * The style is disjointed and chaotic.

This article needs a firm hand, and I don't currently have time for the project. --Slashme 08:02, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Some bixie links for the curious

 * Netcronyms: See section 4
 * Attribution of "bixies" to Joanne Dow
 * An example of J Dow using a bixie
 * J Dow explains the difference between bixies and bixen
 * J Dow claims authorship of the bixie
 * More explanation from J Dow
 * The Jargon dictionary

LoL
°u°
 * "plzz add meee :) .__."
 * "plzz add meee :) .__."

-- nlitement [talk]  16:57, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

inhunt.com
Can we block this Ip? This bot? only ads a link to the site inhunt ... only unrelevant content ... spam ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.248.129.58 (talk • contribs) 22:12, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Why this bot (83.130.233.122 (BOT 1723)) is now adding my site (planet smilies net) to this site??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.97.217.227 (talk • contribs) 15:04, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Now this IP (83.130.238.95) is using my name, please delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.248.129.77 (talk • contribs) 09:32, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Someone made a request at the Abuse reports page to deal with this, although it was in poor and incorrect form. I took a look at the spamming that has taken place here and on the Smiley article, and decided to make a proper abuse report, seen here. In my little investigation, I saw that this spamming was taking place from multiple IPs, which were registered to many places. Also, some of these IPs appeared to be making worthy contributions. I don't really have a clue if this is a bot or not, or what it exactly is doing to achieve this high rate of spamming. This is because i lack any advanced knowledge in the area of computers of internet. So if someone a little more knowledgable could take a look at this, and add a better sypnosis to my abuse report, that would be greatly appreciated by all. --Reaper X 19:01, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, DavidHOzAu suggested that we get our good bot friend Tawkerbot2 involved, and ask to have inhunt.com added to it's spam blacklist. I did that, and Tawker did so. So hopefully they are gone for good! --Reaper X 02:15, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

My name (Michael P......) is still showing in the history list, remove it please! i dont wish to show there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.97.223.76 (talk • contribs) 17:22, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Graphical?
No one there... → A z a  Toth 22:39, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Some more smilies!
Is this supposed to be a list of all smilies? what about @_@? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.69.22.188 (talk • contribs) 17:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Anime Style?
The article says verticons such as (^-^) are "anime style", as though Western anime fans invented them, but aren't those originally Japanese emoticons? There may be some verticons used exclusively within Western anime fandom (and not in Japan), but to me, vast majority of them look completely Japanese. At least, this source says emoticons such as (^_^) are used from 1986, in Japanese ASCII-NET. Well, maybe in common English usage, those verticons are indeed called "anime style", but it'd be better to clarify most of them are originally Japanese emoticons.

Also, describing 2ch-style emoticons such as (ﾟ∀ﾟ) under the title "East Asian" sounds a bit odd. Yes, they are indeed "East Asian", but these emoticons are used almost exclusively by 2ch users; Japanese outside of 2ch community generally don't use it, other East Asians such as Koreans or Chinese don't use it. Instead, what they normally use is the verticons described as "anime style" in this article (with some local varieties). Describing only 2ch-style emoticons under the title "East Asian" is something like describing only gangsta hip-hop under the title "American music". It's not technically incorrect, but at least awkward. --Kzaral 03:56, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

My favorite
ô¿ô &mdash; BRIAN 0918 &bull; 02:43, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Unicode emoticons
Unicode has a few faces (☹ ☺ ☻), several hands (☚ ☛ ☜ ☝ ☞ ☟ ✌ ✍), and other symbols that might be of interest here (☃ ☠ ♿). Should they be incorporated into the article? Herorev 08:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Well along with the faces, hands, snowman, cross & bones, and wheelchair, I just came across a weird smiley face at U+3020. 〠 It's named "POSTAL MARK FACE". Herorev 02:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * That's a Japanese symbol used to mark postal addresses in text, or post offices on maps. It's a variant of 〒. See Japanese typographic symbols. &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 05:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

d^_^b or d-_-b
I believe these reflect thumbs-up (sometimes written simply as - -b or - -)b ), with the d/b being the hands. People who aren't used to it commonly mistake them for the ears. --203.144.160.242 12:16, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Now that you mention it, those would make good Princess Leia emoticons. Stev0 15:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * This heavily depends on cultural context containing the notion of "thumbs". While it may seem like thumbs for someone, it looks like headphones to others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.93.136.206 (talk • contribs) 05:59, 30 August 2006 (UTC

Wikipedia endorsing shocksites?
Anonymous is shocked. Anonymous has always thought wiki was a place to direct everyone to. Liek, there ARE people who need a good article on emoticons here and there. And they totally DON'T need to know about Goatse or Tubgirl. I don't want them to know. They don't ever want to see it. But with those links gratiously provided, they just might click and regret lately. What the heck? Any vulva or anus smileys/emoticon (can an arse express emotions?) are perfectly okay, they are parts of human anatomy. BUT XCUSE ME WHAT THE HECK those darned INTERNET MEMES are doing here? Why not include links to scat or guro articles? That'd be so much fun! Let's compete with Uncyclopedia and /b/ !

This Anonymous is not going to edit this wiki. Somebody else would do. Who started it all and are in charge of this mess wiki has become. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.93.136.206 (talk • contribs) 06:22, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * "3^o". You're complaining about that, a 3-character representation of Tubgirl, with a link to the 'pedia article about Tubgirl? What's the issue? Yeah, Tubgirl's rather unpleasant. But the article would only contain a description. What's more, that's not even what people get when they click the link; it redirects to shock site, which opens with a brief description of what a shock site is. In the end, Wikipedia is not censored. — mæstro t/c, 11:08, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I am not complaining about the emoticon. I couldn't care less. Let me get this clear. One. Emoticons are a globally recognised, universal cultural phenomenon. Everyone uses them. Two. Shocksites are relatively unknown, mostly american, IRC/BBS Internet meme. And this wiki emoticon synopsis directly enforces a minor subculture phenomenon on a planetary scale. As an emoticon can be made for virtucally anything, I ponder the presence of redeeming value for goatse/tubgirl emoticons and their right to persist on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.93.136.206 (talk • contribs) 15:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't get the emoticon, could someone explain the anatomy behind it? @_@ 惑乱 分からん 12:34, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Wiki is not censored? Why there's no LOLJESUS references at jesus page? They'd be perfectly relevant. Common sense for filtering all the bullshit has nothing to do with censorship. I'm a former USSR citizen, and I know perfectly what censorship is. And oh mighty uncensored wikipedia, I hereby thank thee for getting me acquainted with shocksites. I've never even imagined such things existed before I got to the emoticon page. '''A garbage dump is not censored, either. Wikipedia is becoming one right now.''' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.93.136.206 (talk • contribs) 15:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Calm down! The links do NOT go to the site in question; they go to the Wikipedia articles about the sites in question (which, last time I checked, don't have the photos in question, even though they do link to them for the absolutely curious).  It's all text.  Nothing offensive. Stev0 19:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

:X for kiss?
uh, I've never seen it used to signify kissing, but I've often seen it to signify being shut up, or impeded to speek as if it was a person with duct tape on their mouth.

I think that's even the image conversion that MSN messenger does when you type it. Cauzilo 01:49, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yahoo's messenger uses/replaces it as a kiss icon ... (puckered lips I presume) ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Invisifan (talk • contribs) 06:54, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

"emotext" offtopic
The reference document only mentions it once, and it's a reference from either 1980 or 1992 (both years listed). In either case, it seems like a pretty far stretch from "emoticon" to "wowwwwwwwwwww" and the other info submitted. Thoughts? /Blaxthos 13:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed. I did a Google, and almost every link I found for "emotext" was a spam link or a mirror of the Wikipedia article.  I just was bold and deleted the whole mess. Stev0 14:54, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Add "orz"?
This is used to show a person on their hands and knees, banging their head on the ground. It could also be seen as a person bowing down before another. I see it quite often in online games and chats. -Krellion 14:23, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed. While I personally have never run across it, apparently it's pretty common in some circles.  Stev0 15:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I've re-added the "Posture emoticon" section. It was removed as part of a larger edit by Simetrical with summary "Remove most of the huge number of dubious, rare, Eastern-style, duplicate, etc. They don't belong here, and can't be verified in any case. I'm not the arbiter of what goes and stays, but this is if anything more than are needed to reasonably inform the reader about emoticons.", then re-added by an anon, whose edits got reverted by MER-C. It is my opinion that "orz" is an important example of an emoticon, and the linked Boing Boing article should make it clear that it's not "dubious" or "rare". -- Woseph 17:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

>:3
A common vandalism of this page is to add ">:3 JESUS CHRIST! IT'S A LION!  GET IN THE CAR!" Apparently this is a 4chan meme which has since become an underground Internet meme (I've seen it in a few places). On the one hand, it shouldn't be in the list of common emoticons; on the other hand, this should be noted somewhere in this article. Only I can't figure out where, or how to word it. Stev0 15:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

1982? 1981?
Ok, the first paragraph of the article says Scott Fahlman created emoticons in 1981. Then, a few paragraphs later, the reproduction of his original usenet post says 1982. And the "On this Day..." entry on the front page for today (9/19) says 1982. Which is it? Dgcopter 16:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Despair.com
Despair.com claims to have a patent on :-( which appears to be true. Shouldn't this be mentioned on this page? *smb 22:47, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

It is a copyright not a patent, and it is also a joke Foolswisdom 16:50, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Is this link fake also then?--*smb 01:02, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The making of the trademark is indeed real. That's what makes the joke press release so funny. Stev0 02:05, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

:S
What does that one mean? The lists are already long why is it not included Foolswisdom 16:50, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Any idea what this means?
What does 8-) mean? 218.186.9.3 08:35, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * it means youre smiling with glasses on 8] 67.168.99.237 03:22, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * sunglasses actually -- therefore "being cool", "basking in the glow", "accepting expected applause" that sort of thing... 8-) is just glasses (ie. nerdy/bookworm)--Invisifan 03:56, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Inappropriate tone
This article contains wholly inappropriate tone for an encyclopedia. Citing examples isn't even necessary at this point. It's blatantly obvious. --216.211.192.153 17:25, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Can you be more specific? I don't understand what you're talking about. Littleghostboo [ talk ] 08:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

i-D magazine
Recently someone removed the following sentence, which had been in the history section for a long time, as "irrelevant":
 * ''Every issue of the British fashion magazine i-D, founded in 1980, has featured a cover model with a winking right eye (or sometimes obscured in a different way).

I have reinserted it because I think it is an important example - this emoticon appeared prominently in print two years before the "official" invention of :-) and :-( in the (then) small and obscure world of bulletin boards, and has been kept as the title and hallmark of an influential magazine for over a quarter century. regards, High on a tree 20:46, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Emote
I don't think "emote" should redirect here, given that it has an older. more general meaning of to express/display/convey emotion. NTK 02:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Lewd Emoticons
Could we remove these? I find them offensive and I'm sure many other people do as well. Also, this is the kind of page kids are likely to frequent and so I don't think it's appropriate to have this kind of stuff here. If you really must have it, could someone at least move it to a different page? --Eruhildo 12:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)


 * WP:NOT__ø(._. ) Patrick("\(.:...:.)/")Fisher 10:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * however ... they aren't actually emoticons, just ascii art... --Invisifan 12:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

love
(>_")>(L)<("_<)

Luc(-"-)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.222.121 (talk • contribs) 20:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

More expressions needed!
I have found at least a couple of common facial expresions which aren't covered as emoticons in this article, I can only remember one of the now, though. The puzzled expresion is the only one I can think of. At least i didn't find it when I made a search for it in this article. It is good if you get at least one hit when you make a search at an expression in the article. What does the puzzled expression look like by the way?

194.236.215.108 23:55, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

"xD" and "xP"
Shouldn't "xD" and "xP" also be included beside "XD" and "XP", respectively? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.230.173 (talk • contribs) 23:14, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Deviantart
Why not add discussion about animated emoticons at deviantart. Why not add a link to show them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.74.86.198 (talk • contribs) 21:42, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Bad redirect
searching for "Less than three" redirects to this page, but Less than three is not listed on this page anywhere. Someone who knows what it means (not me) needs to fix the redirect or add it to this page. --69.231.121.93 03:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * "Less than three" == "<3" an Emoticon for a heart (which is here, though a redirect for it is .. rather obscure) --Invisifan 03:59, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * "Less Than Three" is the title of a song by Becky about a girl with an online boyfriend. I suspect the redirect may have been created as an indirect way of explaining the song's meaning. As far as I know, neither the song nor the artist is notable enough to warrant their own article, so a redirect to something that might help explain the song's meaning was probably the next best thing. 69.226.218.90 02:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

>_<
Sorry for making another "nope I don't think this definition is right" comment, but I've never seen ">_<" used in a comical sense. Usually it means something along the lines of embarrassment, especially in anime circles. Change the definition? (I'm a n00b, help! ^^) Minami-chan 20:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

new-user question
I'm new, & I have NO idea what I'm doing, so don't blame me if this is the wrong place to put this. Anyway, the Buster Sword is a new emoticon (won't tell you who made it, but I want to add it.) The problem is that I can't figure out how to work the editing page to get the right results. If someone could help me edit, I'd very much appreciate it. You can find me at:

MSN Messanger- (sn)SNAIL ARMY!(sn) Battleon Forums- Neo Bahamut

And a few other places, but I won't tell you them.

Again, I'm sorry if I'm not supposed to place a personal message here, but it said 'discussion,' so I just figured this was the right place to ask this question. (Maybe instead of editing this away without a second thought, you could also help me with these quandries? ^_^)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.20 (talk • contribs) 06:31, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * You've come to the right place, the discussion pages are for exactly that. Your question is really two:


 * 1) why doesn't it work
 * 2) why do people delete it
 * The simple answer to the first question is that the emoticons are laid out in a table so to force the addition of a second line in the same cell you would have to resort to native xhtml ...
 * the latter question has more to do with the nature of the article - which is supposed to have some common examples, not a comprehensive list (but everyone wants to add their own), and what you are trying to add is NOT technically an emoticon (is not simple/easy to enter [see question (1)] nor does it convey emotional intent), it is just a piece of small ascii art

p.s. - you should really consider getting an ID --Invisifan 15:51, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

,–(o.o)^-–=´
Swimming. Where can this emoticon be put? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kri (talk • contribs) 12:46, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Does not look like swimming to me.  AxG   (talk)  12:49, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Appears to be more like flailing around... Minami-chan 15:20, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Bah! He's crawling! --Kri (talk) 17:54, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

NPOV dispute?
Saw this article marked as ; not sure why it was so marked, so converted that flag to the more general  flag instead.

Also, when I encountered this article, I saw a section marked as. Because I see no sign of actual discussion about a POV dispute, I'm demoting it to, which I understand is a lesser  grade of warning (i.e., not a full-blown POV dispute). 69.140.173.15 05:02, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I just deleted the npov-check, there is no rational about it, even in the talk page. No apparant pov problem in the section. Esurnir 05:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)