Talk:Ivy League

Semi-protected edit request on 12 October 2016
First of all, I am a brand-new editor; this is the first article I have worked on. So if I suggest something that isn't acceptable in the Wikipedia world, please forgive me and correct my errors. Thanks!

My edit requests have to do with the following text in the article: "Listed from in order from greatest number of Nobel laureates are: Harvard with 153 Nobel winners, the most out of any university in the world. This is followed by Columbia with 101 winners, Yale with 52, Cornell with 45, Princeton with 37, and Penn with 29 Nobel laureates. These figures are self-reported by the universities themselves, who use widely varying definitions for which Nobel winners are claimed as affiliates, for example, only degree-holding alumni or active faculty or former faculty, visiting faculty, adjunct faculty, etc. Many universities are notorious for claiming laureates with only tenuous informal connections in order to inflate their count of winners.[citation needed]"

Edit Request #1: As there is no citation, and as the sentence is clearly not unbiased in tone, delete: "Many universities are notorious for claiming laureates with only tenuous informal connections in order to inflate their count of winners."

Edit Request #2: Description of the problem: The citation for this list of the number of Nobel laureates for each school is given as the "Nobel Laureates and Research Affiliations" page on the Nobel website (https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/universities.html). But the body of the text immediately thereafter states that the source of the numbers is self-reported. Which is it? To determine this I went to the cited page and carefully counted, and the numbers above don't even resemble those on the Nobel site. Maybe the numbers are supposed to be referring to self-reported numbers, but if so, the Nobel site shouldn't be the citation, and where DID the numbers come from? I then found what seems to be a very comprehensive list of university affiliations of Nobel laureates already in Wikipedia, so linking to that seemed logical.

Suggested Revision: "According to the Nobel Foundation's website, as of 2016 the number of prize-winners affiliated with each Ivy League university at the time of their awards is: Brown, 2; Columbia, 17; Cornell, 8; Dartmouth, 0; Harvard, 36; Penn, 4; Princeton, 14; and Yale, 8. In addition, each university self-reports their number of affiliated Nobel laureates, but they use varying definitions for which Nobel winners they claim (for example, alumni, active faculty, former faculty, visiting faculty, adjunct faculty, etc.) To view a comprehensive list, visit the List of Nobel laureates by university affiliation article." SueH (talk) 20:07, 12 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done with a few tweaks. Apologies for the length of time this request has been opened. If the edit is disputed, consider further discussion here — Andy W. ( talk ) 01:18, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 November 2016
JannsCo (talk) 01:00, 22 November 2016 (UTC) If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ". Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 08:59, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2016
Harvard's endowment is $37.6 Billion. Please, change. 2600:8805:8807:B600:B0AC:341E:97EC:1C02 (talk) 00:08, 19 December 2016 (UTC)


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Reference to Little Ivies
This page contains an erroneous list of Little Ivies. This asserted list of specific schools is referenced by nothing more than a link to NESCAC. NESCAC is most definitely not by definition the inclusive list of the Little Ivies. The inclusion of this list is solely a subjective opinion that was added to this article by one of the known sock-puppets of user Donspencer1 who was engaged in boosterism of a certain CBB school. Please delete this list as it is an unsubstantiated claim of the inclusive membership of a highly contentious and completely unofficial grouping of schools that many covet an affiliation with. There is no such thing an an "Official list of Little Ivies." For further information please read the rather long Little Ivy talk page and the even longer associated archive.74.70.116.187 (talk) 03:02, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Deleting information in order to conform to similar athletic conference articles
Please discuss this issue here instead of edit-warring.

In my view, deleting such a significant amount of information needs to be justified, and hasn't been.

Please note that this article is not only about the athletic conference, but the Ivy League as a group beyond the sports context. --TimothyDexter (talk) 05:31, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I clearly explained the reason as to why I removed the content, but I'll say it again this time spelling it out:
 * I've switched the colors to automatic color box so that the colors won't be wrong and it is less work correcting the color mistakes.
 * I removed the "Undergraduate" and "Graduate" columns because they take up too much space and can be condensed into one column like other conference articles. IMO: if someone wants to know the school statistics on the enrollment, they'll go the university article; we only need the.
 * Same goes for the motto. That has no relevance for this article. If someone wants to know the school's motto, they'll go to the university article or the university website. It also took up too much space.
 * I moved the text-align from "left" to "center" to make it more clean, as well as more readable. I also the Institution column bolded, and a different color with "!" instead of "|" so that it stays consistent and it stands out to the reader.
 * My main point: Consistency. Quite honestly, the "Academic staff" column should be removed, too, for consistency and be replaced with a "founded" or "joined" column. All conferences go "beyond the sports context", but the conferences are for sports, which is the main reason they exist. All of the "academic" stuff is listed below and is not important enough for the tables above. Corkythe hornetfan  (ping me) 18:30, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

The majority of this article is not sports-related and not related to the Ivy League as an athletic conference. When most people talk about the Ivy League, sports is typically the last thing on their mind. The enrollment breakdown is important because each of these universities makes a very strong distinction between its undergraduate college(s) and its research university components. The mottos are historically relevant due to the shared history of these institutions (which goes well beyond the athletic conference). This is all information that a person wanting to learn more about the Ivy League would want to find in this article, and there is no reason to remove this information beyond indulging your personal need for consistency across athletic conference-related articles. I err on the side of preserving information. Your formatting changes are quite useful on the other hand, so thanks for that. I'll preserve those while restoring the information you deleted. --TimothyDexter (talk) 19:09, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2017
Under section 'U.S. Presidents in the Ivy League,' when 'Harvard University' is listed for the undergraduate school, the entry should read 'Harvard College' or 'Harvard College (University)'.

I don't believe this edit applies to the other 7 Ivy League institutions. Doctoross (talk) 14:43, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
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people accepted to all 8
I maintain that keeping a list of people accepted to all 8 schools does not rise to the level of being encyclopedic. The students themselves are not notable, nor is the achievement. The list itself will always be incomplete, because this is not the sort of thing that has historically attracted news coverage until very recently. It's trivia and does not belong in the article. Esrever (klaT) 18:26, 16 May 2017 (UTC)


 * All the students are non notable; it is not fitting to have such details on the page. Ber31 (talk) 05:29, 17 May 2017 (UTC)


 * It is absolutely ridiculous to contend that getting into all Ivy League schools is not a tremendous feat. More people have crossed the Atlantic on row boats and we keep talking about them on Wikipedia. Bantam1984 (talk) 16:55, 27 October 2018 (UTC)


 * "More people have crossed the Atlantic on rowboats?" How do you even know that for a fact? How do we know how many people have been accepted into all 8 Ivies? What source would you use? Admissions information is not public. By the way, would that list go back to 1954, when the Ivy League was established, or 1865, when Cornell opened, or some other year? Further, Wikipedia relies on notability of the individual. Being accepted into all 8 Ivies does not count as "notable," even if it is rare. - Kzirkel (talk) 15:02, 29 October 2018 (UTC)


 * "Wikipedia relies on notability of the individual" - for biographical articles, sure. As entries in a list?  Absolutely not.  Regardless, being accepted into all ivy leagues is pretty notable. "How do we know how many people have been accepted into all 8 Ivies? What source would you use? Admissions information is not public." the sources were listed in there, if you have some to add feel free to make a note that the list is incomplete and then add your own.  That's better than what you're doing now in your destructive deletion notable, interesting facts. - Bantam1984 (talk) 20:27, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2017
Please, change the third paragraph to represent up to date information. The article does not even remotely address recent widespread criticism across North America and Europe related to elitism, of which Ivy League schools surely represent. In the past decade, there has been massive animosity and push back on campuses and on the internet, related to the establishment and higher institutions, and it is important to note that the exclusivity and financial disparities these Ivy Leagues represent. It is an important part of American, and even western history, to document that the middle class and lower class are struggling to accept the word of these institutions and the ideologies they represent, as seen with recent animosity and rejection of Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and the Northeast ideologies. Wikipedia, I have donated money to you in the past, and protecting this website from editing is a form of security but also censorship. This page, and many others, should represent the truth. That is what Wikipedia means to me, and no where, substantively, in this document, is the opposition view represented. I would like the alternative view represented in which it is clearly stated that people do not view these institutions as prestigious and are in fact quite hostile towards them. (Probably why this page is difficult to edit). Nonetheless, it is the truth of our times.

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Ivy League schools, ... despite recent times of general hostility, resentment, and animosity towards elitism and protected establishments, they are are still generally viewed as some of the most prestigious ..., and are ranked among the best universities worldwide by U.S. News & World Report.[4] All eight universities place in the top fifteen of the U.S. News & World Report 2017 nation university rankings, including the top four schools and five of the top eight.[5] U.S. News has named a member of the Ivy League as the best national university in each of the past seventeen years ending with the 2017 rankings: Princeton ten times, Harvard twice, and the two schools tied for first five times. Jewishownership (talk) 01:20, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2017
IT'S IV MEANING THE 4 SCHOOLS PRINCETON, BROWN, YALE, AND HARVARD. IT WAS TERMED IV LEAGUE FOR THE SPORTS PROGRAMS. 108.34.159.158 (talk) 21:07, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
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One update and one addition
First, the update. The article contains the following sentence about Sprint Football:

In addition to varsity football, Penn, Princeton and Cornell also field teams in the eight-team Collegiate Sprint Football League, in which all players must weigh 172 pounds or less. Penn and Princeton are the last remaining founding members of the league from its 1934 debut, and Cornell is the next-oldest, joining in 1937. Yale and Columbia previously fielded teams in the league but no longer do so.

However, Princeton has discontinued its Sprint Football program, see below link to the announcement:

https://www.princeton.edu/news/2016/04/11/princeton-discontinue-sprint-football-program

Second, the addition. The article cites a number of Ivy League football players who have gone on to play for Super Bowl champions in the NFL:

In addition, the Ivy League has produced Super Bowl winners Kevin Boothe (Cornell), two-time Pro Bowler Zak DeOssie (Brown), Sean Morey (Brown), All-Pro selection Matt Birk (Harvard), Calvin Hill (Yale), Derrick Harmon (Cornell) and 1999 "Mr. Irrelevant" Jim Finn (Penn).

That list omits Gary Fencik (Yale) who played 12 seasons for the Chicago Bears including the 1985 Super Bowl champions:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Fencik

Add/Change sports tables
I think you should change the sports table under the Teams section. You have Ivy League sponsored sports, which include some sports not sponsored by NCAA. Most of the other college sports conference pages have this table but only list the NCAA sponsored sports. They then have a table for men's teams with green checks and red x's to show which colleges participate in which sports. Under that they have another table for other varsity sports not sponsored by the NCAA with the name of the governing conference/league(?) in place of the checks. They do the same with the women's teams. On the individual college teams pages they mention rowing team in is the EARC or the wrestling team is in the EWL, but not all of them do. The conference page with these tables allows you to see exactly which sports are played by which colleges and in which conference/league. Your explanation about the Ivy League having their own champion for just the Ivy League regardless of what conference the sport is played in is good, but that doesn't tell us the above mentioned info. Out of 31 conference pages, only this one and the SWAC, the NEC and the MEAC don't have these tables. If you don't want to add these tables, maybe you could add a paragraph about the non-NCAA sports, which colleges play these sports and which league they play in like you did with hockey. Other than this, the page is great and has plenty of good info.Jdtrue63 (talk) 09:12, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2018
In the section titled "Rivalries" it says that Cornell and Princeton are the only Ivy League teams to win the NCAA Div. 1 lacrosse tournament. Yale won in 2018.

Change "In men's lacrosse, Cornell and Princeton are perennial rivals, and they are the only two Ivy League teams to have won the NCAA tournament." to "In men's lacrosse, Cornell and Princeton are perennial rivals, and they were the only two Ivy League teams to have won the NCAA tournament until Yale won in 2018."

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 * I mean, that's a little lazy. :P It's pretty easy to find this right on the NCAA's lax homepage. Esrever (klaT) 00:02, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Source for change: Yale takes down Duke for program's first national title https://www.ncaa.com/news/lacrosse-men/article/2018-05-28/2018-ncaa-college-lacrosse-championship-yale-takes-down-duke — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:7204:B00:3582:6DB0:3A95:EC8E (talk) 15:48, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 10:04, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2019
Change ivyleaguesports.com to ivyleague.com Themaxiiim (talk) 03:31, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:49, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2019
The Post World War II Section states the following: "When Army and Navy departed the Eastern Intercollegiate Baseball League in 1992, nearly all intercollegiate competition involving the eight schools became united under the Ivy League banner. The only major exception is wrestling; the Ivies that sponsor wrestling–all except Dartmouth and Yale–are part of the EIWA."

This is misleading. The rowing teams compete in the Eastern Association of Rowing Colleges; while this fact is mentioned above, not including it here is misleading. Please change to "When Army and Navy departed the Eastern Intercollegiate Baseball League in 1992, nearly all intercollegiate competition involving the eight schools became united under the Ivy League banner. The only major exceptions are wrestling and rowing; the Ivies that sponsor wrestling–all except Dartmouth and Yale–are part of the EIWA, and each Ivy competes not in the Ivy League but in the Eastern Association of Rowing Colleges." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.80.172.44 (talk) 23:16, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Two suggestions for the powers-that-be that edits this entry:

1. I ran into very good data that would usefully inform the "Rivalries" section of this page @ https://collegepulse.com/2018/07/ivy-league-rivalries.html. I felt the current article focuses on individual sports instead of "school rivalries," and in doing so misses what I remember about the schools and their sense of competition with each other.

In a survey of 2,850 Ivy League undergrads, CollegePulse asked what school each undergrad considered to be their own school's biggest rival. The answers showed both that the Harvard-Yale rivalry is the primary one, and others are imbalanced (since as Merriam-Webster points out in their definition of "rivalry," "rivals tend to come in pairs"). These data -- that 99% of Yale undergrads considered Harvard as their rival while 94% of Harvard undergrads considered Yale as their rival -- indicate that their is only one "real" rivalry at the school level. The data also display that a) while a majority of Princeton and Cornell students consider Harvard to be their rival, 2% or fewer of Harvard students felt the same, which calls into question whether there is actually a 'rivalry' there and b) a similar mismatch exists between Penn and Princeton, since 85% of Penn students think Princeton is their rival, while only 6% of Princeton students consider Penn the same way. It was also notable that beyond the 69% of Princeton students who consider Harvard as their rival, the next 25% responded that they didn't think they even had a rival.

[I'm not sure I'm expressing this correctly. By analogy, if one asked what were the greatest geopolitical rivalries on the planet in the past 100 years, one might realistically include Axis/Allies or the US/Soviet Union. But if some medium sized country constantly measured itself competition with the US, one would hardly say those two countries were notable rivals.]

2. The sentence "Harvard and Yale are football and crew rivals although the competition has become unbalanced; Harvard has won all but one of the last 15 football games and all but one of the last 13 crew races." should be updated, as it is no longer accurate (Yale won two of the last three football games, and 3 of the last 15, while Yale won 4 of the last 4 completed races. I would suggest, "In both football and crew, Harvard and Yale have storied rivalries.  While Harvard has won the large majority of competitions over the past two decades, the record has lately become more balanced, with Yale winning six of the last nine competitions within these two sports (2 out of the last five football games and 3 of the last 5 completed Harvard-Yale regattas.

For the record, in case it is considered a conflict of interest, I am a Yale alum. I just happened by review this page and thought the "rivalry" section missed the mark, and the that article had real second-hand data that would inform the entry. Sorry if I've done this wrong.

Brownshoe Lawson (talk) 22:41, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2019
change 'All eight universities place in the top fourteen of the 2019' to  'All eight universities place in the top seventeen of the 2020'

Cornell is now the 17th ranked school. TimothyMalahy (talk) 19:48, 6 December 2019 (UTC)


 * ✅ Contributor321 (talk) 19:59, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Archaic Sentence
In the section on social elitism, this sentence is rather awkward in a 21st Century context:

"The Ivy League is often associated with the upper class White Anglo-Saxon Protestant community of the Northeast, Old Money, or more generally, the American upper middle and upper classes."

"Is often associated" should be changed to "was historically associated".

For one, "WASP" is an anachronism in this day and age; there is no distinct social class which fits this description anymore.

Second, the share of Protestant students at Ivy League schools has been shrinking dramatically for several decades now. Harvard recently released its religious data for the 2019 class, and it was the atheists and agnostics who comprised the largest group. Catholics and Protestants were about even, although Catholics had a slight edge over Protestants in 2019, and outnumbered Protestants in 2018 and 2017. In other words, Roman Catholicism is the largest Christian denomination at Harvard. You can find similar figures for the other Ivy League schools. Jonathan f1 (talk) 03:58, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 July 2020
Under the "U.S. Presidents in the Ivy League" part of the "Culture" section, it is incorrectly stated that there have been 45 men who have served as President. There have been 44 men across 45 non-consecutive terms. Grover Cleveland was the 22nd and 24th President of the United States. AddisonE (talk) 00:16, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ Good catch! Esrever (klaT) 16:41, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Woodrow wilson transferred from Davidson college
This information is even on Wilson's wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodrow_Wilson

Hence, this should be adjusted in the "U.S. presidents in the Ivy League" section of the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redgon (talk • contribs)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Wilson is listed in that section, and his article appears to agree with that information. Please make a more specific request. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 20:26, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

See edit request below — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redgon (talk • contribs) 20:40, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 December 2020
Change the following part:

From: Three of these were transfer students: Donald Trump transferred from Fordham University, Barack Obama transferred from Occidental College, and John F. Kennedy transferred from Princeton to Harvard.

To: Four of these were transfer students: Donald Trump transferred from Fordham University, Barack Obama transferred from Occidental College, Woodrow Wilson transferred from Davidson College, and John F. Kennedy transferred from Princeton to Harvard. Redgon (talk) 20:27, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The only change I'd suggest is ordering them in some meaningful way, whether chronologically or alphabetically by last name. Esrever (klaT) 18:21, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Ok, I am not sure of what to do with the fact that JFK transferred from Princeton to Harvard though, which would make the sentence awkward if we move it elsewhere from the end. How about chronologically, for the rest except JFK at the end:

Four of these were transfer students: Woodrow Wilson transferred from Davidson College, Barack Obama transferred from Occidental College, Donald Trump transferred from Fordham University, and John F. Kennedy transferred from Princeton to Harvard. --Redgon (talk) 22:52, 26 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done Lamacha9617 (talk) 00:20, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

The text on reference #155 should read "LehighSports.com".

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Class day
Can I suggest that the term "class day" mentioned in Section 2.2 Origin of the name be given a brief, clear explanation, or at least a link to such? It is mentioned in no other article in Wikipedia, and the relevant citation link is to a 19th-century piece that itself assumes the reader's prior knowledge and buries the approximate meaning far down the text under layers of antique prose.

Despite being in my seventh decade, and an alumnus of the University of St Andrews (mentioned in the article), this Brit has never previously encountered the term, and is unlikely to be alone. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.65.29 (talk) 03:58, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Athletics
The second paragraph in the athletics section states the Eastern Intercollegiate Basketball League was founded in 1902, the fifth says it was in 1930. It can't have been both, unless in the interim it temporarily dissolved. It may have been founded in 1902 and chartered/rechartered in 1930 or something like that, but it cannot actually have been started in both years. This is glaring and need attention by a knowledgeable and competent person ASAP. 2600:1004:B167:E7EC:8CC4:92BC:D93E:DE03 (talk) 10:12, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Rivalries
"Harvard and Yale are football and crew rivals although the competition has become unbalanced; Harvard has won all but one of the last 15 football games and all but one of the last 13 crew races."

That seems clearly outdated. Both in crew and in football Yale had a comeback in the last years (Yale won crew in '15, '17, '18, and '19 and football in '16, '17, and '19). 77.191.67.195 (talk) 07:39, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

To be clear: I suggest deleting the sentence altogether. Because the original statement is not true anymore and an adjustment to "is competitive again" would be true, but not informative, because that is a typical situation in sports. 77.191.67.195 (talk) 07:43, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * So fix it. Esrever (klaT) 18:35, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 April 2022
Edit 'The Ivy League schools are highly selective, with all schools reporting acceptance rates at or below approximately 10% at all of the universities.' to "The Ivy League schools are highly selective, with all universities reporting acceptance rates at or below 10% among their undergraduate applicants." Merely writing 'at all of the universities' makes it sound like graduate admissions rates are factored into the figures listed, even though the sources given clearly indicate otherwise. Although it is common convention in American universities for acceptance rates to reference only the collective rates of undergraduate programs unless otherwise indicated, the suggested edit all but removes any chance for confusion without sacrificing concision. Fluffybagel (talk) 14:29, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The sentence explicitly says that the acceptance rates are "among their undergraduate applicants." ElKevbo (talk) 03:25, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Columbia's ranking
As of July 8th 2022, Columbia is now listed as "unranked" by US News. As such, I wanted to suggest that the sections discussing its ranking are either removed, or amended to say that it WAS ranked second until the US News update. DutifulPotato (talk) 04:23, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 September 2022
Edit "All eight universities place in the top 17 of the 2022 U.S. News & World Report National Universities ranking, including four Ivies in the top five (Princeton, Columbia, Harvard, and Yale)." to say "All eight universities place in the top 18 of the 2023 U.S. News & World Report National Universities ranking, including three Ivies in the top five (Princeton, Harvard, and Yale).", as well as update the National academic rankings section to include the new USNWR rankings for 2023 DutifulPotato (talk) 20:57, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * This would get processed a lot faster if you included exactly how to change it, including the national academic rankings section. Aaron Liu (talk) 21:37, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply! I'm relatively new to wikipedia editing, so what should I include to show exactly how to change it? The main thing would just be to add the new source, and the new ranks for each school with regard to the source I linked DutifulPotato (talk) 14:55, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅, I believe meant that for the update the National academic rankings section to include the new USNWR rankings for 2023 part of your request that you go into the sources and explicitly state what the new numbers should be. While that was technically something you were required to do per WP:EDITXY I went ahead and did it myself. Please note that, as of my reply, if you make 6 more edits anywhere on Wikipedia your account will become autoconfirmed. This will allow you to edit semi-protected articles directly without needing to make an edit request. Thank you for your contributions, and happy editing! — Sirdog (talk) 05:09, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

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— Assignment last updated by Tahjowens (talk) 18:36, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Listing of the Schools 2022
I am not sure why Princeton University keeps getting placed before the University of Pennsylvania. The listing of the schools alphabetically should conform to the U.S. Department of Education usage, which ignores the word "University." Thus, Pennsylvania precedes Princeton. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MiguelJoseErnst (talk • contribs) 06:07, 21 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I think in this case, it makes sense for Princeton to precede UPenn. While all of the Ivies (absent Dartmouth) have "University" in their names, University of Pennsylvania is the only one to have it preceding, meaning it shouldn't be ignored. DutifulPotato (talk) 06:09, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2022
In the Pre-Ivy League section change "plurality" to "majority" as 6 of the 8 schools are in the set. 69.245.185.184 (talk) 18:26, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2023
The endowment data is outdated. 67.40.196.21 (talk) 05:21, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Lightoil (talk) 07:54, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2023
Change

Its members are Brown University, Columbia University, Cornell University, Dartmouth College, Harvard University, Princeton University, University of Pennsylvania, and Yale University.

to

The Ivy League is a group of eight prestigious universities in the northeastern United States, including Brown University, Columbia University, Cornell University, Dartmouth College, Harvard University, the University of Pennsylvania, Princeton University, and Yale University. These schools are known for their rigorous academics, strong athletic programs, and unparalleled opportunities for their graduates.

Arevop (talk) 08:01, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: That would be a copyright violation, which is strictly prohibited. And it's also quite against WP:NPOV, headed into promotional tone. DMacks (talk) 08:31, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Critiques section?
On reading an essay in the Wall Street Journal yesterday, I thought it might be worthwhile to start on a section of "critiques" of the Ivy League. I wonder if others agree this is a good idea. Here's what I suggest:

Critiques (heading)

It has been observed (by columnist Philip Bump - needed?) that, despite enrolling a tiny fraction of college students in the United States (about about three-tenths of a percent), the Ivy League receives an outsize amount of attention from the media. In part, this focus may be due to the fact that a disproportionate number of "top tier" journalists and members of other organizations attended these universities.

- Kzirkel (talk) 16:23, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Ivy League leaving EIWA
On December 19, 2023, the Ivy League announced that the six schools that sponsor wrestling will be ending over a century of affiliation the EIWA, starting with the 2024-25 season. Brown, Cornell, Columbia, Harvard, Penn and Princeton will begin wrestling under the Ivy League banner. The winner of the Ivy League Tournament will receive automatic qualification to the NCAA tournament. Source: https://ivyleague.com/news/2023/12/18/general-ivy-league-to-launch-wrestling-tournament-starting-in-2025.aspx Ugarles (talk) 21:05, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * So fix it. Esrever (klaT) 18:33, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * new account. can't make edits. - ugarles (don't feel like logging in) 71.167.230.58 (talk) 03:20, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The semi-protection has been removed so you should be able to edit the article now. ElKevbo (talk) 02:31, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * yep. i added it thanks. Ugarles (talk) 04:26, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Trial unprotection
OK, let's see how this goes after a decade of semiprotection Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:49, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Updating Endowment Numbers
The endowments listed are from 2018, which is probably not representative of the large change they underwent during the pandemic and in the years following. I'm not sure if they're still easily accessible, but if someone can find the newer figures, this would probably be a welcomed change. DutifulPotato (talk) 08:08, 31 December 2023 (UTC)


 * for reference, in the earlier section of the article, there are newer endowment numbers that do not reflect the numbers from the table of all of the universities. DutifulPotato (talk) 08:09, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Brown rowing
The table "Men's sponsored sports by school" claims that Brown does not offer rowing. This is false; rowing has a long history at Brown and the university maintains its own boathouse on the Seekonk River. Vide Brown men's rowing. Jarmo K. (talk) 20:57, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and make the correction, . The article is not protected. Cullen328 (talk) 21:02, 11 January 2024 (UTC)