Talk:John Lennon's psychedelic Rolls-Royce

Did you know candidate?
Dear, Thanks for this very attractive article. It's fab! Can I please suggest (beg) that you nominate it for DYK? If you do not care for nominating, I ask as a courtesy if you mind if I do? It is such a wonderful candidate, of broad interest and has a just-perfect free image for Main Page appearance. It screams to be shared. JennyOz (talk) 14:39, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I am glad that you like the article. Go right ahead and nominate it, . Cullen328 (talk) 18:11, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, before I complete the nomination I have two questions.
 * I don't think Rolls Royce name is rendered without a hyphen so should article be moved? (Eg here)
 * Also, the article has US mdy date format and US spelling (driver's license, honors). I want to designate the English variety and date format at its top to make the author's (your) intent clear and head off any warring. So, were those US formats intentional?
 * Once I know your answers to these two questions, I probably won't need to bother you again. Thanks again, JennyOz (talk) 07:04, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I have moved the article, adding the hyphen. I simply didn't notice that error. The question of which variety of English should be used is an interesting one. The car was obviously built in the UK but spent only five years there. It was then brought to the US for about 15 years and has been in Canada for nearly 40 years. Lennon himself lived in the US for the last nine years of his life. Date and time notation in Canada speaks to the variety of ways that dates are rendered in Canada. So, without being at all an expert in English variations, I tried to write in North American English. If you want to change the date formats and spellings, I certainly do not object. Cullen328 (talk) 07:42, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the move and comments on styles . I am happy to keep your chosen formats. Per MOS:TIES, MOS:DATETIES, MOS:STYLERET, MOS:DATERET and MOS:RETAIN any editor/s seeking to change can discuss on this talk page. I'll finish the nomination tomorrow. It will be transcluded on here. Do let me know any comments. JennyOz (talk) 12:52, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Hook 'n' pic
Hi Cullen, thanks for your comment on the nomination. I'm making this note here rather than clutter up the nom itself. I fully agree that the "swine" and umbrella are the interesting bits. I'll be very happy for any changes to the hook for your fab article but this was my reasoning... I often read hooks and their article and blurbs the day before they appear on main page to help avoid mp errors.( There are a few of us that do this. ) Unlike the blurbs for the other main page sections ( Todays Featured Article, In the News, On This Day and Today's featured picture ), the DYK questions are hooks specifically written to bait readers, to make them say "What?! Must read that article!" From what I see, some hooks try to be a precis of the article. At the other extreme, some hooks give a very enticing fact, eg "dyk that Bob Smith wore blue and orange striped shoes to a council meeting?" That certainly sounds intriguing so I click to read, only to find a sentence that simply says, "He once wore blue and orange striped shoes to a council meeting." with no further context or info. I feel cheated! The precis-type DYK is not hooky and not likely to get many visitors other than those already interested in the subject. For the other type, there's no more to learn about the what and why of the strange shoes. The fact that Lennon liked to tell about the woman's temper seemed it might hook people in to read what she actually did that was worth him enjoying relaying the story. (And the reader won't be disappointed when they get to read about "swine" and to visualise the umbrella attack.) All that said, I think that because firstly it's about John Lennon and secondly about a fascinating sounding vehicle, a hook that simply asked "dyk that John Lennon had a psychedelic Rolls-Royce?" would be enough to attract a lot of clickthroughs! ( I also played with 'dyk that JL donated his pr-r to a museum and it was later sold for US$2,299,000?' and 'dyk that JL's pr-r had a public address system, which allowed him to shout out to passersby?' and a few more. There seemed endless possibilities. ) Regarding the image, funny you should say that because when I first read the article it was the poster image that made me think "That's a perfect DYK image!" It'd work well at the tiny size, great contrast with no busy background and would face into a hook. Again, I'm not wedded to it, the lead image would work well too. (Of course the hook may not be granted the image top spot which would be disappointing but it's up to the prep builders.) Cullen, this is 'your' article. If you prefer a different hook and/or to change the image it's all doable timewise and I'll only be relieved that you are happy! I went through the article today and will do some minor MoS-type tweaks. Reading all the sources was another delight. Sorry about the length of this, we can hat or archive it after mp appearance. Thanks again. JennyOz (talk) 14:44, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * , sorry to be slow to respond but I did not notice your comments until now. You can handle this however you see fit. I have not been active at DYK for a long time. If you need any input from me, please ping me. Cullen328 (talk) 20:07, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks . I should have pinged you. I'll let you know if I need your input. JennyOz (talk) 15:23, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Comment by original author
I enjoyed writing this article and am pleased that it is getting interest and attention. But I am saddened and disappointed that the DYK nomination has led to disputes and bad feelings among other editors. I have already expressed my preferences about the DYK, and am not going to respond to every point of dispute raised above, but will, of course, respond to any specific questions directed my way. So, the DYK editors can resolve this as they see fit. I do not have strong feelings about any of it. I am just sad that this is happening.

Pinging and  and. Cullen328 (talk) 17:56, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

so, the white one....?
wow- didn't expect all this when I got here.... just re-read the article, & wanted to point out some possible ambiguity. a second car is invoked, the white one, & then "they moved the car to new york, lent it to bob dylan" etcetera, without clarifying which car. presumably it's this 'fool' one, but so what became of the white one? duncanrmi (talk) 13:21, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . None of the reliable sources that I found discuss what happened to the white Rolls-Royce. Cullen328 (talk) 21:36, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Shooting a line
'Lennon delighted in repeatedly telling an anecdote about how an older woman had lost her temper upon seeing the psychedelic Rolls-Royce, and had called him a "swine", and struck the limousine with her umbrella'. REALLY?

Given that Lennon loved shooting a line, the story sound like Beatles bullshit and there is little or no evidence to support it, should not this nonsense quote be deleted? Just because editors need a story to be true, does not mean it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.166.164 (talk) 17:54, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Three different reliable sources discuss Lennon telling this anecdote. Its truth is not relevant, and the article does not say that it is true. The fact is that Lennon told the story. Cullen328 (talk) 21:34, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Article name
That car is colourful and highly ornate, but not psychedelic. Only one of the refs uses the word at all, and then only says "elements of the psychedelic era" without specifying what. It seems to me that a better title for the article would be simply John Lennon's Rolls-Royce. Awien (talk) 00:14, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * , Lennon owned two Rolls-Royces. Cullen328 (talk) 06:09, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, many of the references use the word "psychedelic", not just one of them. Cullen328 (talk) 06:13, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, enough sources use the word psychedelic or "psychedelic" even though it isn't that there's no point getting into a fight over it. Cheers, Awien (talk) 22:11, 30 October 2023 (UTC)