Talk:LeBron James/Archive 3

Youngest MVP?
Wes Unseld was younger than Lebron when he won his MVP award in 1969... Unseld was 23 I believe...This should be changed when it says that Lebron is the youngest MVP in league history... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.24.108.174 (talk) 23:38, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I think Wilt Chamberlain was also 23 when he won his first MVP award. The references in that section don't actually say that James was the youngest, so I'll just remove the statement. Thanks. Zagalejo^^^ 00:16, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

2008-2009 Season
Lebron did not play in the final 08-09 home game, which if they won, would have tied the celtics with the best winning home season ever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GentCastle (talk • contribs) 05:53, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Lebron James should be listed Forward-Guard on WIKI
Hey, Lebron James shouldnt be known for only "small forward" in WIKI, he is only "listed" at SF because he started there most of the time, he is more accurately a "point-forward" (which is more of a role), he should be known as a Guard-Forward here.

Lebron was drafted PG/SG 2003, Lebron is basicaly a PG starting the SF and playing the role of a "POINT-FORWARD".

2003-2004 season Lebron started PG the entire season and even SG sometimes.

2004-2005 season Lebron started mostly SG and also PG/SF

2005-2006 season Lebron started mostly SF, sometimes PG.

2006-2007 season Lebron started mostly SF, sometimes PG or would rotate to & play PG during lineub subs often.

2007-2008 season Lebron started mostly SF, sometimes PG or would rotate to & play PG during lineup subs often.

2008-2009 season Lebron started mostly SF, sometimes PG/PF or would rotate to & play PG/PF during lineup substitutions often (he played even Center 2-3 times this season).

2009-2010 season Lebron started mostly SF, sometimes PG/PF or would rotate to & play PG/PF during lineup substitutions often.

So... Lebron is not just a SF, lebron is more accurately a "Guard-Forward" or a "PG/SF".

Lebron himself when asked in a interview, he said he considers himself anything, he considers himself a Guard/PG in a Forwards body.

In similar fashion like Penny Hardaway or Magic Johnson, Oscar Robertson whom he compares himself to and whom everybody compare Lebron to —Preceding unsigned comment added by Enesjusufi (talk • contribs) 06:45, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Crushed Chalk???
I saw the picture of LeBron's pre-game ritual. And it reads the he tosses up crushed chalk, but I have watched some Cavs game and he uses baby powder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DA Fernandez (talk • contribs) 23:45, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Lebron with 8.6 (8.57) assists per game makes history!!
Lebron with 8.6 (8.57) assists per game had the highest assist averaging season of any SG/SF/PF/C in NBA history!

Lebron has with his 8.57 assists per game also passed Wilt Chamberlains 8.56 APG for the highest assist average in NBA history by a non-pointguard. (or at least tied with Wilt if you look by only the simple 8.6 average)

Thought you should bring something about this up on his 2009-10 season here, its a huge achievement! Its official now as the season is over. . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.211.158.101 (talk) 23:21, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

The sentence that states 7.0 assists per game for a player his size is unheard of is completely untrue. Magic Johnson was an inch taller and averaged 11.2 apg for his career. Larry Bird was 6'9'' and also had similar assist totals as James. The notion that such a feat is "unheard of" is quite simply not true. It may be uncommon, but it has happened. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.28.78.34 (talk) 00:35, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Well Magic Johnson played Point-Guard much more often than Lebron dont we agree? If Lebron was playing PG all the time he would average much more assists aswell and if he wasnt such a scoring machine he would pass much more aswell, Magic couldnt score like Lebron so he settled with passing 24/7. Lebron James height 6´8" was measured when he was 17-18 years old... he said himself and is measured to be more like 6´9" now and 260+ LBS, much bigger than Magic Johnson ever was, not in height, but in sheer SIZE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.211.158.107 (talk) 23:24, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

the new jersy nets !!!!
i didn't know lebron was playing for the nets what am i missing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.251.14.24 (talk) 04:41, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The article is currently a hotspot for vandals. — LOL T/C 07:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 72.188.226.194, 14 May 2010
Please change the 'new jersey nets' to the 'cleveland cavaliers' because cleveland is lebron james' nba team....source = (nba.com)72.188.226.194 (talk) 04:50, 14 May 2010 (UTC)john napoli

72.188.226.194 (talk) 04:50, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Looks like this has been corrected. :) Avic enna sis @ 07:03, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

LeBrick
When I searched for "LeBrick James" I wasn't redirected to his page. Why is this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.103.51 (talk) 05:13, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Because no reliable sources mention a "LeBrick James". — LOL T/C 07:23, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Protection
I temporarily fully protected due to vandalism. I will drop it to semi in a couple of hours.  Enigma msg  05:18, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Zero tolerance of BLP violations
This page was full-protected and is currently semi-protected for a reason. There have been repeated BLP violations stuck in the article, and this will not be tolerated. Further violators may be blocked without warning.  Enigma msg  17:49, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

2010 Offseason
Please allow me to create a subsection under Pro Career to chronical Lebron James free agent offseason. From Michael Gloomberg to Scores Night Club offering Lebron "Lap Dances for Life" to come play in New York. I expect their to be MANY noteworthy offers to Lebron this offseason and i would love to assist in documenting them.

Agreed! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.254.239.232 (talk) 17:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Lebron's Religion
Is Lebron an active Christian? Anyone know? He went to a Catholic High School and his Moniker is called "The Chosen One" College Watch (talk) 00:22, 24 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by College Watch (talk • contribs) 22:24, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

July 1, 2010
Yes LeBron is a Free Agent but LeBron should still be listed as part of Cleveland. Thank You  MarcusPearl  msg 1:36 PM New York Time 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 805 BARAJAS 805, 1 July 2010
Change his number to six please because he change and Lebron James is a Free Agent right know

805 BARAJAS 805 (talk) 21:04, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I have removed two duplicate copies of this request. Do you have a link to a reliable source that states this information?  Is his status really such that he has cleaned out his locker and is no longer associated with the Cavs?  Is his number definitely six?  (I don't know basketball, but in football free agents don't have numbers.) --B (talk) 21:19, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * As requests to edit semi-protected articles must be accompanied by reference(s) to reliable sources, I have cancelled out the above template for now; if you can provide a source, please put  again so that others process the request. Thanks,  Chzz  ►  11:20, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

regarding the number change: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4958324  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.78.185 (talk) 00:44, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

LeBron has also officially met with the Miami Heat, the Cleveland Cavaliers and the Los Angeles Clippers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.118.83.10 (talk) 14:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah I was gonna edit to say he met with the Heat but the Wikinazis won't let me edit. 68.45.109.136 (talk) 18:51, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Who he meets with is irrelevant. He could meet with the Lakers, the Celtics, the Mavs, the Suns, etc. for shits and giggles, but it still would clog up this article. --Muboshgu (talk) 18:55, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's protected because all of the IP vandals. If you want to edit the page so badly, register an account or request an edit.  Enigma msg  02:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

I've again removed the speculation and put a note. I can find reliable sources for any team that hint at any team (ok, maybe not the Clippers) so let's just wait it out. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:53, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Lock the page
you may want to lock this page before angry cleveland-ers get to vandalize it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.3.157.238 (talk) 01:34, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's already been semi-protected so that unregistered and newly registered editors cannot edit, and that's probably enough. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:35, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's actual under level 2 pending changes protection. Even the editors who do edit aren't all showing up publicly. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 02:40, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Drekryan, 9 July 2010
Lebron James' team is now Miami Heat not free agent

Drekryan (talk) 02:25, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * As explained in the HTML comment in the article, he is not officially part of the Heat until he signs a contract. It has been mentioned in the article that he intends to sign with them. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:28, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit Request
Please change his quote from the announcement. Here are the exact and relevant words:

"This fall I'm going to take my talents to South Beach and join the Miami Heat. ... I feel like it's going to give me the best opportunity to win, and to win for multiple years. ... I want to be able to win championships, and I feel like I can compete down there."

The current quote on the page strings together several quotes taken out of context, has typos, and just generally references things he never really said.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5365761&categoryid=2459788 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kem422 (talk • contribs) 05:32, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


 * THAT IS TO BE EXPECTED BY THE DUMBASSES WHO RUN THINGS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.77.105.208 (talk) 05:34, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Currently no mention of No. 23 - Please add a statement that lets people know LeBron wore the number 23 in Cleveland. It could read like the following and go in the 2009-10 season when he made the decision to switch numbers.

In late February, James filed paperwork to switch from No. 23 to No. 6, but he did not actually wear the No. 6 until he was playing for the Miami Heat.

Here is a source if needed. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4958324

Ggreve (talk) 20:44, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Why is Bosh listed as a Heat but LeBron isn't?
You see he isn't a member of the Heat until he signs a contract. Chris Bosh hasn't signed a contract. The details between the three of their salaries hasn't been worked out. Nor has a potential sign and trade with the Raptors. Wikipedia also listed Amare Stoudemire as a Knick a few days ago before signings could become official. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.106.177.128 (talk) 06:10, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out; I have fixed Bosh's article. Sometimes things like this happen on an encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:35, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

The Decision (LeBron James)
I just noticed this article was created-- should a separate article exist for the special? -- Nomader (Talk) 06:11, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's since been redirected to this article. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:34, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Drekryan, 9 July 2010
On the side of the page under Lebron James' picture it where it says number 6. It says he is a free agent this should be changed to Miami Heat this is official according to this quote "Fans in Miami took to the streets after hearing the news that NBA megastar LeBron James had decided to leave Cleveland and play for the Miami Heat. (The Associated Press)" from http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2010/07/09/VI2010070901475.html

Drekryan (talk) 16:23, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not official until he signs a contract. There's going to be some juggling of numbers that has to be taken care of to fit the three of them under the cap. --Muboshgu (talk) 17:46, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Backlash
I see a bit of the backlash against LeBron making its way into the article. I think it absolutely belongs in this article, but we should think of a systematic way to include it. It should probably be moved to the "Public Image" section, for starters. Maybe the Gilbert letter could stay in the Bio. Thoughts? --Muboshgu (talk) 20:09, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Lebron James IS a Miami Heat player
He signed a contract and then was traded to the Miami Heat http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/nba/07/09/lebron.bosh.ap/index.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.13.25.24 (talk) 04:51, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, NOW he is. He wasn't yesterday, he wasn't this morning or this afternoon, but as it says it was done Friday night, that is when he and Bosh became Heat. --Muboshgu (talk) 04:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Lebron James was not traded
The last sentence in the first paragraph states that James was the first MVP to be traded since Moses Malone. He was not traded, he is in fact the first MVP to change teams since Moses Malone. "MVP" should probably also be changed to "reigning MVP" to reinforce the fact that this does not include former MVPs who have changed teams such as Shaquille O'Neal and several others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.220.27.5 (talk) 14:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Seconded96.251.96.102 (talk) 14:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Technicality maybe, but it was a sign and trade deal. It looks like the 'reigning' qualifier would be appropriate, but the statement should probably have a source. --Onorem♠Dil 14:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Why not do whats supposed to be done and take the comment out of the article unless you're going to put a motherfucking source in there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thesandrippa (talk • contribs)
 * Because I didn't see it as a controversial statement that needed instant removal per WP:BLP. If someone else wants to remove it as unsourced, I certainly won't edit war over it. --Onorem♠Dil 19:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Here is at least one source that mentions the sign and trade. --Floydpink (talk) 14:41, 11 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I've added a reference and updated that he is the 3rd reigning MVP to switch teams (Wilt being the other)

Bagumba (talk) 05:41, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Liljohniv, 10 July 2010
editsemiprotected

Change the current picture of Lebron James in his Cleveland jersey to a picture of him in a Miami Heat jersey

Liljohniv (talk) 17:53, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Provide a picture of James in a Heat jersey that isn't a copyright violation and it'll be done. --Muboshgu (talk) 17:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * ❌ as per Muboshgu. Salvio ( Let's talk 'bout it!) 19:51, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

ESPN Special
Shoudln't that be under "Public Image"? There's been heavy opinion both ways. Or should we wait until the fervor dies down before putting it on Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atari2 (talk • contribs) 23:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, if you're gonna have a quote attacking Gibert, isn't it fair to have one supporting Gilbert? Atari2 (talk) 23:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Nobody responded to my "backlash" section above. Maybe we do need to wait for the dust to settle before deciding how to discuss the backlash and how it's hurt his public image.  The fact of the matter is we don't know the lasting effects this has on his public image, other than the immediate effects of widespread panning from the media, Cleveland fans burning his jersey, and pretty much anyone except for Miami Heat fans criticizing him for shying away from being the man in Chicago, New York, or Cleveland. --Muboshgu (talk) 00:03, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The article generically mentioned Stern disapproving of how Lebron handled free agency. It seems fair to add detail about how he failed to notify the "losing" teams. Stern actually pointed this out too http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/18034/david-stern-on-lebron-james-dan-gilbert-and-the-cba, but I used a different source in Adande.  Should we also mention that Stern said Gilbert's remarks were "understandable".  Just mentioning that Gilbert was fined $100K seems one sided. Bagumba (talk) 06:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I inserted the citation to the fine. Period. That's all I intended. There are several billion news articles that can provide the same information (e.g. a fine happened), without going beyond that single fact. I suggest that all you need to do is to insert a sentence, after the fine is reported, along the lines of " Mr. Stern, as well as various sports columnists and fans, either criticized or supported the parties involved in James' decision to leave Cleveland and way in which it was handled. Then add cites to whatever pro and con you want. The point is that this Article is not a news flash; it will be read 10 years from now, so all that the Article needs to do is to present a concise overview and then provide cites to whatever current articles best capture the current views on what just happened. The readers should read the cited material and form their own opinions. My view of writing history is that it should provide a synthesis from a 37,0000 foot vantage point, accompanied by a lot of cites to source materials, and let the reader take it from there. Stwiso (talk) 07:56, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I've just read the recent edits. I am bowing out of this Article, although I wish it well. James will be around a long time and will be, one way or another, a historic NBA figure. Stwiso (talk) 08:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

My man
You need to change his marital status to engaged to Mary Tallchief as of 7/12/2010. They will happily be wed next July 28th 2011. Thank you for editing this for me. You're great.

Love, Brittany Holland and James Van Thof :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lebron14 (talk • contribs) 05:42, 11 July 2010 (UTC)


 * First off, that needs to be verified by a reliable source. Secondly, we do not allow shared accounts here on Wikipedia, as this breaks our licensing agreement. Please have one person edit with the one account, and the other person create one for his/her own. Regards, –MuZemike 05:47, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

ADD FOR NBA CAREER/2010/MIAMI HEAT: "THE THREE MIAMIGOS"
First commented under an article by Henry Abbott (http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/17867/name-the-crimes-of-lebron-james) by a fan named Omar F. Medina of the USAF stationed in Afghanistan. The Three Miamigos is composed of three NBA players on The Miami Heat roster LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. The name was choosen for Miami's large Latino community and also a film called The Three Amigos; where three actors overcome overwhelming odds against a band of bandits to safely rescue their friends. —Preceding unsigned comment added by El chihuahua 13 (talk • contribs) 06:23, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I just threw up in my mouth a little. --Muboshgu (talk) 06:35, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Fix Biography
The second sentence in the first statement is worded incorrectly. "His biological father, Anthony McClelland, was an ex-convict who left Gloria to raise LeBron herself." LeBron was raised by his mother but this sentence implies he was raised by his father, who is apparently female. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flecktonian (talk • contribs) 16:39, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes,please change this.It does state that,by the way it is worded,Lebron's father was a women.--Bellsprout723d — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bellsprout723d (talk • contribs) 03:06, 1 March 2011 (UTC)


 * This is already fixed.— Chris! c / t 03:10, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Not fixed actually.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.101.250.250 (talk) 02:14, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Picture
Now that LeBron James has moved to the Miami Heat, doesn't his picture need to be updated too? Oceansummer87 (talk) 20:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd be surprised if a freely liscenced picture of him in a heat uniform is available yet. You're probably right in that an updated picture will be desirable, but first we need a new one to swap in.--Cube lurker (talk) 21:05, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Couldn't pictures from the Heat introductions, or from the parade they held afterwards be used under a Promotional Material license? Atari2 (talk) 02:43, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't have a lot of experience in this area but looking at Image copyright tags I see this line: For an image to be considered "free" under Wikipedia's Image use policy, the license must permit both commercial reuse and derivative works. I don't think those images can be used without the owner giving expanded permission.  Again though I'm not an expert in this area, hopefully someone with a bit more experience with images will chime in.--Cube lurker (talk) 12:41, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't have a lot of expertise in this either. I was hoping someone who did could find a picture that could be used to replace the current image. Oceansummer87 (talk) 20:46, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

This may not belong here
but should Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley's recent comments be included in the section about his move to Miami? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JahnTeller07 (talk • contribs) 15:53, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I think some reference should be made, but as his legacy will play out over the years, probably not too much detail is needed. Does this go under Public Image, or is that limited to his non-basketball image? Bagumba (talk) 16:09, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

role
I think James should be indicated as "small forward" only, or "small forward/power forward". He played as a shooting guard in his first NBA years, but I don't think SG should be indicated as his secondary role anymore. Cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.34.214.124 (talk) 23:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Never ejected
According to this source : http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=1966 Lebron James has never been ejected in his career. This could fit under the player profile section of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.39.30.26 (talk) 00:25, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think that's particularly important. What's the context?  Is it supposed to suggest he is even tempered?  Favored by the refs?  --Muboshgu (talk) 00:59, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd think this is the case for the majority of players in the league, so probably not noteworthy enough to include. Miles Blues  (talk · contribs) 06:11, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Sbistaff, 29 August 2010
Change picture to Jamesheat.jpg Thank you

Sbistaff (talk) 23:45, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You took that on your iPhone? I somehow doubt it.  I suspect WP:COPYVIO. --Muboshgu (talk) 23:50, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * removed semi-prot template. I also suspect copyvio. I'll start a deletion discussion on Commons and see what happens.--Commander Keane (talk) 00:23, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Coops2517, 14 September 2010
edit semi-protected

please can i edit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Coops2517 (talk) 19:05, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: the user was blocked as a WP:VOA Salvio  Let's talk 'bout it! 19:18, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Picture of LeBron with Heat
Shouldn't there be a picture of LeBron James in a Miami Heat uniform?  Wayne Olajuwon  chat   23:27, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, if someone could find a free image of LeBron in Heat uniform...— Chris! c / t 23:32, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Jshootingg, 11 November 2010
put his position known as small forward/shooting guard

Jshootingg (talk) 07:45, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Thanks, Stickee (talk)  09:17, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request
Hi yeah i think you should change his picture because he isnt in the Cavaliers any more he's in the heat maybe this picture is good enough http://buzzytimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Lebron-James-Miami-Heat-Jersey-510x286.jpg Well hope you change it

66.229.210.216 (talk) 00:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: That image is compyrighted and can only be used if released under a free license. See WP:IUP. Thanks, Stickee (talk)  01:09, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Lebron James Small forward/shooting guard —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jshootingg (talk • contribs) 04:02, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Lebron James technique
I saw this on South Park, and I saw the advert on youtube, but I can't find an explanation for what it's supposed to be about. Could someone explain? What did he do? What is it based on? J1812 (talk) 13:00, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Not sure the above question is appropriate here. How about THIS:

On September 29, 2010, asked by Soledad O'Brien of CNN if race was a factor in the fallout from The Decision, James said, "I think so, at times. There's always -- you know, a race factor.[122] James had

.... Needs quotes before the [122]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AP888 (talk • contribs) 03:22, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Cavaliers-Heat game of Dec. 2
Wow. I definitely think that there needs to be something about this game in James' article. Cleveland fans were PISSED. They booed him every time he got possession of the ball, and chanted "a**hole" at him more than once (before the game and once in 3rd quarter).74.192.58.206 (talk) 05:48, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Some source are in Further Reading section for now Bagumba (talk) 11:00, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Order
Should the "Off the Court" stuff really be at the top of the article? It seems strange to me, since I haven't seen this on any other page. I don't know if that should be one of the first things someone sees as they scroll down the page. This should be at the bottom if anywhere. 69.246.135.91 (talk) 06:28, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Point guard
There have been a couple of reverts on the fact that James against Minnestota was playing the "role of Magic Johnson" that was a selling point to him by Pat Riley during free agency There was a concern that explaining the "Magic Johnson" role was not worth the space.

I believe this is important to retain. The Magic/point guard role was an important selling point to James, and he has been playing a lot at point guard this year. I found additional sources to reinforce these points. I have enhanced the article to explain the free agency pitch to provide background and replaced "role of Magic Johnson" to just be "point guard." The fact that he doesn't want to call himself a point guard is also noteworthy in light of this.

Please enhance the article if the text in this area needs refining, or discuss here if there is still debate as to its relevance. Bagumba (talk) 06:42, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't mention this in my edit summary, but another problem with the text is that it seems to contradict itself. We suggest that James was sold on the chance to become a point guard, but we also say that he doesn't like when people call him a point guard. It's a bit hard to make sense of that. (Granted, that could be James' own fault&mdash;he's been known to contradict himself&mdash; but we have to present the information in a way that won't confuse readers.) Zagal e jo^^^ 08:16, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I understand the potential confusion. However, the intent is not to "suggest" but to clearly and neutrally report the facts. Your interpretation is exactly the point of the source, LeBron James: The Reluctant Point Guard
 * I dont think we should exclude clear facts just because they dont make sense. To make sense of it without a source would be original research. The reader can fill in the blanks in their head in the meantime. Bagumba (talk) 09:58, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Or do we dare add a word like "inexplicable" in the article? Bagumba (talk) 10:15, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the fact that he doesn't like to be referred to as a point guard is pretty trivial and doesn't need to be mentioned imo. The most important fact here is he plays the role of point guard and it is supported by multiple source.— Chris! c / t 21:14, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I consider it noteworthy and not "trivial" as it begs questions like, "Why doesnt he want to be called a PG when he mostly plays one and like comparisons to Magic", "How is it determined what position a player is listed at (think Tim Duncan never being listed as Center)", "Is this all about marketing and differentiating himself." Bagumba (talk) 23:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * But we don't have any answers to those questions. :) I like Chris' approach. I don't think that James' quote is really that important in the grand scheme of things. It's just one of many things he's said in his career. Zagal e jo^^^ 05:44, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * But using one of your earlier points, that "he's been known to contradict himself", if we dont include more examples when they happen especially when a reliable source has a full article related to the subject, how will someone who doesnt follow NBA/Lebron that closely capture that side of him. If it becomes too biased or overloaded with examples over time, we can consolidate later.  However, I would argue its easier to delete later than it is to find this information later.  Admittedly, I'm taking a slight inclusionism perspective here Bagumba (talk) 07:28, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, you have to balance inclusionism with readability. You don't want to overwhelm the reader with every possible piece of info on LeBron James. Zagal e jo^^^ 07:45, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, you have to balance inclusionism with readability. You don't want to overwhelm the reader with every possible piece of info on LeBron James. Zagal e jo^^^ 07:45, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Article structure
Just curious, why does the "Off the court" section come before the sections on LeBron's playing career? Parts of the "Off the court" section assume familiarity with aspects of James' basketball career. (That section could also use a bit of pruning. I just removed an old rumor about him playing in Europe.) Zagal e jo^^^ 08:12, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I see now that an IP asked the same question in December, and never got a response. Thus, I was bold, and just moved the section. If anyone disagrees, please feel free to comment. Zagal e jo^^^ 08:28, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Personal Life Section? Married? Single?
Is this guy single? Married? On the Down Low? Does he have any Baby Momma's? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.159.111.98 (talk) 09:18, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

There was already some personal info in the opening of LeBron_James, but I made it more explicit by adding a "Personal life" heading. Provide text and sources if you have info to add. Bagumba (talk) 09:05, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Career highs
I believe the Career highs section should go in a subpage and not in the main article. The non-basketball or casual fan would mostly not be interested. I could make the same argument for the season totals, but I think those help get a better sense of how a player usually performs as opposed to single game numbers. Bagumba (talk) 07:38, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Position
I wouldn't put him even partially as a guard, and I'm pretty sure I've seen him play power forward at times. 3pointswish (talk) 18:47, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

2010 Sports Jerk of the Year Award
I provided source and link to it, yet it got pulled, claiming being it wasn't "significant", yet the Q Source Company (which itself hardly qualifies as "significant") is up there, along with other moments that also would not be considered "significant" to be included. Seems rather hypocritical to list those yet claim an actual award isn't "significant". And judging by the people jumping on the LeBron bandwagon, seems like his fans don't want the award mentioned, yet claim the award has no "cultural impact"? Okay, then how does the OTHER events listed have "cultural impact"? For an award that's been given out yearly, and relies on readers' votes on who the biggest sports jerk is, I'd say that's cultural. Unlike some event of LeBron admitting marijuana, or hosting the ESPYS (non-notable awards!). How is that cultural? TyVulpine (talk) 03:36, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * No, the comic and the so-called award is not notable at all. For something to be notable enough for inclusion, it has to be supported by secondary reliable source. Clearly, there is no such sources for the comic. On the other hand, the Q score fact is sourced to CNBC, a secondary reliable source.— Chris! c / t 03:46, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * For pop culture reference, need other sources that discuss this reference to James. Let's deal with this on it's own merits and deal with other crap existing already separately Bagumba (talk) 03:48, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

The Q source is a NON-NOTABLE award, nor did it have any "cultural impact". Neither is admitting smoking marijuana. The SJOY award is chosen by it's readers, which are sports fans. How is that non-cultural? TyVulpine (talk) 03:53, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Come up with a reliable source that discusses impact of fictitious award. Again deal with the other "crap" separately instead of using it as justification. Bagumba (talk) 04:03, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Nice avoiding of my questions about Q source and marijuana being "cultural impacts", as they had no measurable cultural impact regarding LeBron, unless you have secondary sources that can PROVE they did? TyVulpine (talk) 04:10, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Forget it, this ain't worth the headache. TyVulpine (talk) 04:13, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not averse to deleting the "Q source" if consensus supports it, but you can't compare it to the Jerk of the Year award. The former received coverage in a third-party reliable source (CNBC), whereas the latter is cited to a primary source (see WP:BLPPRIMARY, which is policy). Please do not revert again; as it is, you have already broken the three-revert rule, which is grounds for a block. Dabomb87 (talk) 05:44, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit request Bellsprout723d
Please let me rephrase the personal life section of this article.I am not a Cleveland fan trying to vandalize this.I was going to try to change it so that it would not say LeBron's father was female,(because of the way it was worded it states that).

Thank you,I am just another Wikipedia user.--Bellsprout723d (talk) 03:30, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Be specific. Can you suggest a different way of phrasing the sentence? Dabomb87 (talk) 03:32, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

This is what it says, "His biological father, Anthony McClelland, was an ex-convict who left Gloria and forced her to raise LeBron by herself." I recommend it should say, "His biological father,Anthony McClelland was an ex-convict and left Gloria. Gloria then had to raise LeBron by herself.--Bellsprout723d (talk) 22:58, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Lebron james religion
Lebron James said he "thanked his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" on national TV. http://digg.com/news/entertainment/LeBron_James_says_Lord_and_Savior_Jesus_Christ_on_TV —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.155.243.197 (talk) 18:21, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * LeBron says lots of things. Without more sources reporting it, it doesnt seem notable. —Bagumba (talk) 21:12, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Even if sourced, this is not notable.— Chris! c / t 21:50, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Request for protection
I think this article should be fully protected because angry people from Boston that have accounts (since Boston is a big city) aren't able to vandalize this. Thanks!

--Bellsprout723d (talk) 14:10, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * If you want it protected, state your reasons at WP:RFPP and see if there is enough recent vandalism to justify protection. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:13, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Done, I requested it.--Just a normal guy (talk) 17:06, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

2 million dollars raised with "the decision"
I know there's a lot of negative publicity with "the decision," but I think it's also important to note that 2 million dollars was raised for the boys and girls' clubs across America. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/LeBron-s-Decision-was-awful-but-his-charities?urn=nba-wp2143 Can we have this noted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.113.251.44 (talk) 05:06, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Chest Tattoo
That's not a "lion-dragon thing" on his chest, that's the Winged Lion of Saint Mark, founder of the Church of Africa. Being a Christian of African descent, the significance of his tattoo seems obvious.

Also, his left leg bears the word "HISTORY," which fits with the "WITNESS" on the other leg. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.127.226.130 (talk) 02:13, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The section, as a whole, was poorly sourced, so I just got rid of all of it. Zagal e jo^^^ 02:17, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

MVP to switch teams
Is there consensus to remove the following from the article. It was removed from the WP:LEAD. When I added it to the main body, it was removed again:--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:48, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

He became the third reigning NBA MVP to change teams and the first since Moses Malone in 1982.
 * It's already at LeBron James. "James became the third reigning NBA MVP to change teams and the first since Moses Malone in 1982" —Bagumba (talk) 03:55, 11 September 2011 (UTC)


 * The sentence should be removed because it is redundant.P0PP4B34R732 (talk) 22:08, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

marriage
You need to update that he is engaged to his girlfriend Savannah Brinson. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.12.61.110 (talk) 22:41, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

LeBron James has proposed to Savannah Brinson
This information should be included in the Wikipedia article about LeBron James.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-newswire-20120102,0,28521.story http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/7410335/miami-heat-lebron-james-longtime-girlfriend-savannah-brinson-get-engaged www.tmz.com/2012/01/01/lebron-james-engaged/?adid=recentlyupdatedstories http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/01/savannah-brinson-lebron-james-engaged-nye-proposal_n_1178517.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/post/lebron-james-gets-engaged-to-long-time-girlfriend/2012/01/01/gIQAuY5VUP_blog.html http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/entertainment/lebron-james-is-getting-married http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/lebron-james-savannah-brinson-engaged-year-eve-party-miami-article-1.999457 http://www.sacbee.com/2012/01/02/4157549/lebron-james-proposes-to-savanna.html http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/shortorder/2012/01/lebron_james_birthday_cake_and.php http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/sports/LeBron-James-Gets-Engaged-Savannah-Brinson-New-Years-Eve-Miami-Beach-Heat-136502153.html http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1007583-lebron-james-engaged-proposal-shows-the-public-the-kings-softer-side http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2012/01/savannah-brinson-lebron-james-engaged.html http://www.sport24.co.za/OtherSport/LeBron-James-engaged-20120102 http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/243263/sports/basketball/lebron-james-gets-engaged-to-long-time-girlfriend http://www.bangstyle.com/2012/01/lebron-james-engaged-to-high-school-sweetheart-savannah-brinson/ http://www.athlonsports.com/news/lebron-james-engaged-savannah-brinson-days-after-michael-jordan-gets-engaged-photos http://gossiponthis.com/2012/01/02/lebron-james-engaged-girlfriend-savannah-brinson-engagement-party-miami-photos/ http://www.lovetripper.com/bridalstars/2012/01/lebron-james-engaged.html http://www.etonline.com/news/117558_LeBron_James_Engaged_to_Longtime_Girlfriend/ http://sfluxe.com/2012/01/01/lebron-james-engaged-to-savannah-brinson/ http://www.thefablife.com/2012-01-02/lebron-james-is-engaged/ http://truthdive.com/2012/01/02/LeBron-James-engaged-to-long-time-girlfriend.html http://www.thegrio.com/sports/lebron-james-engaged-to-longtime-girlfriend-savannah-brinson.php — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andise1 (talk • contribs) 05:36, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

LeBron James is a Small Forward
What is a Guard/Forward? Just because LeBron occasionally brings the ball upcourt doesn't make him a guard. LeBron is a small forward with excellent court vision and ball handle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DA Fernandez (talk • contribs) 18:32, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit Request: Inaccurate "LeBron confiscating dunk tape" statement
Wikipedia: "On July 6, 2009, James courted controversy when he ordered organizers to confiscate CBS video tape of him being dunked on by Xavier University guard Jordan Crawford at the Nike LeBron James Skills Academy.[155]"

It is unclear whether LeBron "ordered" the organizers to confiscate the tape. In fact, after looking at the evidence, it seems unlikely. Regardless, the tapes were actually confiscated because they violated a long-standing policy; that is what is clear and should be noted instead.

"A representative with Nike, which runs the camp at the University of Akron in James' hometown, made no mention of Crawford's dunk. He said the tapes were confiscated because videotaping of after-hours pickup games at the camp is not allowed. 'Nike has been operating basketball camps for the benefit of young athletes for decades and has long-standing policies as to what events are open and closed to media coverage. Unfortunately, for the first time in four years, two journalists did not respect our no videotaping policy at an after-hours pickup game following the LeBron James Skills Academy,' said Nike spokesman Derek Kent on Wednesday." (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4315071)."

The only evidence suggesting that LeBron "ordered" the confiscation came from the ambiguous claim from the cameraman, Ryan Miller. According to him, LeBron called Nike Basketball Senior Director Lynn Merritt over shortly following the dunk, and then minutes later Merritt ordered that the tape be confiscated. However, Jordan Crawford said that his dunk did not prompt any reaction from James, and that "we just went on playing," in a game that lasted 2 hours. Crawford's recollection suggests that LeBron never stopped playing to call anybody over, contradicting Miller. Crawford is probably more reliable, since he was on the court with LeBron, and Miller might have had the ulterior motive of playing up the publicity for his tape. Also, the actual video (edited version on YouTube) shows that LeBron continues to play for at least the next two possessions after the dunk without calling anybody over, for what that's worth. Therefore, there is not enough evidence to say that LeBron personally ordered the confiscation. Again, the indisputable fact here is that Nike's policy forbid taping in this situation.

The source that is currently cited is not updated with Jordan Crawford's or Nike's comments. I'd suggest that it be replaced with the more updated espn article (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4315071), and that the statement be changed to something like this: "On July 6, 2009, controversy came about when Nike officials confiscated CBS video tape of James being dunked on by Xavier University guard Jordan Crawford at the Nike LeBron James Skills Academy.[155]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.60.218.148 (talk) 09:10, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I've removed the statement from the article until people can agree on something. Zagal e jo^^^ 02:39, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the proper thing to do is to readd it with the rebuttal that it was confiscated due to a long-standing policy. This was a memorable news happening. Removing it is revisionist censorship, IMO.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:11, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Have at it. Zagal e jo^^^ 04:16, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 May 2012
3x NBA MVP

Ericcp3 (talk) 16:48, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. Zagal e jo^^^ 19:07, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Early life
Why is LeBron's early life biography at the bottom of the page? Seems like it would work better at the top of the page to me. Ktmartell (talk) 20:15, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Go for it.—Bagumba (talk) 18:14, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Details of 2010 free agency
A good faith edit to remove detail was made out of concern that there was too much detail on his free agency. "The Decision" is an oft-referenced event, and I propose that existing detail should not be lost. If it's detail is considered disproportionate to his bio, it should be split to The Decision (LeBron James), currently a redirect, and summarized in his bio. It should not be removed.—Bagumba (talk) 18:29, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Ktmartell (talk) 18:18, 26 June 2012 (UTC) I was the one who made that edit. I apologize if it went too far. :P I just think that the section is way too detailed. In my opinion, all it needs to say is: LeBron joined Miami, _____ is why he joined Miami, he was harshly criticized for his actions during the 2010 free agency period, he has since said he regrets them. I don't think we need - for example - an entire paragraph on the race controversy. Thoughts?
 * My only issue was to preserve information while providing WP:DUE weight. No problem with you being bold.—Bagumba (talk) 20:29, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Signing with Miami
Another question on this topic: Why is there information about LeBron's signing with the Heat in the 2010-11 section? The 2010-11 section covers October 2010 - June 2011. LeBron officially signed with the Heat in July 2010. Is it not logical that information about LeBron's joining the Heat would be in the 2010 free agency section? I apologize if I am being annoying or militant. :P It's just that as a person who read the article for the first time last week, that structural decision doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. - Ktmartell (talk) 03:27, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Once he signed, he was no longer a free agent. I dont want to create separate sections for the offseason as opposed to the regular/playoff season.—Bagumba (talk) 9:50 pm, Today (UTC−7)
 * That makes sense. Let me throw something else out there: Would it make sense to turn "2010 free agency" into "2010 free agency period" so that we could group everything to do with his joining Miami in one section? That would look more organized to me. Could be wrong. - Ktmartell (talk) 15:56, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I dont have a problem with the current organization aligned with teams he's under contract with. I also wouldn't object to having all the FA-related stuff together.  I think you are referring to the part about the Mimai contract and the party only?—Bagumba (talk) 20:22, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

What can be done to make this article "Good"?
What else can be done to make this article "Good"? In my ridiculous amount of free time this summer I've trimmed a lot of fat from it. I think the intro paragraph could improve and the "International career" section needs work. The personal life stuff also needs fixing. What else can be done? Ktmartell (talk) 23:19, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it's close enough if you wanted to nominate it; you'll inevitably get feedback there on last improvements needed. Alternatively, you can request a peer review first.  I glossed over and have these suggestions:


 * 1) The lead should summarize major honors and number of times for each, without the need to mention each year it occurred—save that for body.
 * 2) Details on his childhood should be moved to beginning of article. Some mention on what life was like before high school, i.e. his interests, early influences, and early indication of athleticism.
 * 3) Occasional peacock terms like "explode onto a national level", "remarkably high level", etc.
 * 4) Occasional editorializing with "unfortunately", "easily", "just five games"
 * 5) Descriptive terms that not needed that the reader can figure out from the facts, e.g. " sputtered in the Finals versus San Antonio, losing in just four games.", " The year would be a special one for him as he went on to set numerous individual, team, and league records.", " The 2008–09 season was a notable one for James as he established himself as one of the NBA's top defensive players."
 * 6) Most uses of "despite" is followed by an unattributed opinion giving perception of undue importance to some fact e.g. "Despite not having home court advantage, the Heat again won in five games with James leading the way, providing strong defense on Rose and reliable clutch play throughout."
 * 7) Jay-Z and Soulja Boy part should be reduced/removed. Consider preserving and moving details to 2008 NBA Playoffs if it's notable enough.
 * 8) Some mention of why he wanted out of Cleveland (e.g. lack of help, no free agents wanted to come, etc.)
 * 9) Occasional future tense e.g. "would finish" should be changed to "finished"
 * 10) "Public image" needs some mention of "Decision" impact. WP:PROSELINE is a problem in this section, and to lesser degree in other parts.
 * 11) Dead links should be fixed.
 * —Bagumba (talk) 20:14, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * 1 has been addressed, although I'm sure it's not perfect. I have removed all mentions of the word "unfortunately". Going to try and hit all the points within the next week or so. Ktmartell (talk) 23:24, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * 4 and 7 have been addressed. I have left some "just"s in the article where I think they are necessary and/or helpful. If anyone disagrees, please remove them yourself. Ktmartell (talk) 17:00, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * 2 has been addressed, although it probably needs a few more references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ktmartell (talk • contribs) 17:35, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * 8 has been addressed. I simply added an additional citation saying that, essentially, he though going to Miami would give him a better chance of winning a title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ktmartell (talk • contribs) 17:41, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * 9 has been addressed. If anyone sees more examples to change, please do it yourself. Ktmartell (talk) 21:15, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * 3 has been addressed although I'm sure I missed some examples. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ktmartell (talk • contribs) 21:54, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * 6 has been addressed. I left a lot of "despite"s because I honestly feel they are relevant. If anyone disagrees, please remove them yourself.--Ktmartell (talk) 22:32, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * 10 has been addressed, although it still needs a lot of work and reads a little sloppy.--Ktmartell (talk) 15:43, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * 11 has been addressed except for four dead links that I could not find replacements for.--Ktmartell (talk) 22:41, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

jockbio.com
I started a discussion at Reliable_sources/Noticeboard regarding reliability of jockbio.com. Never seen much one way or another on whether it is reliable. Lots of information if it is.—Bagumba (talk) 16:00, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Good Article Update
Now that most of the issues mentioned above have been addressed and jockbio has been verified as a decent source, should I go ahead and nominate the article for Good Article status?--Ktmartell (talk) 17:45, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I haven't gone through the article again, but if they are mostly addressed, I see no issue.—Bagumba (talk) 22:31, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * When is LeBron's article going to be discussed/reviewed to be a GA? In my opinion, it should already be a GA. Jay Starz (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:11, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Publications and TV shows mentioned in prose should be italicized. In the reference section, even for titles which may appear in all caps, when written/marked-up, only the first word and proper nouns should be capitalized. This is also true for website/works (thus, "NBA.com" would be "Nba.com" for example). Any reference to the salary box info? Also, reference info. is not consistent (#105 is simply a title). Zepppep (talk) 16:43, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

New Main image
I just noticed this image and this set of images. Feel free to search for a current image.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:03, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

"NBA Champion" vs "NBA champion"
There is mini edit war over whether this is a proper noun/title, "NBA Champion", or just a description, "NBA champion". FWIW, a Google News search shows that the capitalized version is mostly used by blogs and Bleacher Report. I'll err on the side of more established news sources that use lowercase for "champion".—Bagumba (talk) 03:36, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If people want some on-Wiki precedence, all of the baseball articles I checked seem to use "World Series champion", not "World Series Champion" (eg, Sandy Koufax, Derek Jeter, Ben Paschal, etc). Zagal e jo^^^ 03:45, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, it should BR NBA Champion. As you can see un almost every NBA player's profile who has won at least one championship, "champion" is capitalized, because it us the best award and highlight in a player's career. Whenever you see "NBA Champion" in a game, ir in ESPN you are going to see it capitalized. User:Jay Starz —Preceding undated comment added 05:22, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Those aren't valid grammatical reasons to capitalize something. The word is capitalized in other infoboxes simply because that was a trend that caught on - not because it's right. (Similar articles, like the baseball bios I mentioned above, don't capitalize such words.) Generally, it's not a battle I've bothered to fight, because it would take too much effort to fix something like that. But since I noticed you were deliberately restoring capital letters, I wanted to respond. FWIW, I can find a number of ESPN articles that do not capitalize the word:, , , etc. They might capitalize the word in some headlines, but that's a different issue. Zagal e jo^^^ 06:13, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Whether the word "champion" should be capitalized has nothing to do with its importance. It is about correct grammatical usage.— Chris! c / t 18:29, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

High school national player of the year
There is a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association regarding consolidating multiple high school national POY awards in the infobox.—Bagumba (talk) 18:07, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Point forward in infobox
You are invited to join a related discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association that could impact this.—Bagumba (talk) 00:26, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request
"His biological father, Anthony McClelland, was an ex-convict who left Gloria to raise LeBron by herself." can we fix that please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattyyboyy86 (talk • contribs) 05:59, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not wrong. I assume she raised LeBron by herself? Drmies (talk) 19:37, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * This has come up before: Talk:LeBron_James. I guess there is confusion with the "left...to raise" construction. Anyway, the actual identity of LeBron's father seems to be disputed, so I reworded the sentence entirely. Zagal e jo^^^ 03:36, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Comparisons
While reading, I noticed that it stated that Lebron James is a versatile player, comparable to Michael Jordan. Now, Jordam and Lebron are always compared, but not because they have similar styles of play- Michael Jordan being the greatest scorer ever while Lebron has a much more versatile and all around game. Jordan was a guard, maybe small forward, while Lebron can play either forward, or either guard. I just think that while they are compared, it is not for similar styles of play. 72.74.175.36 (talk) 17:17, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The current text is quite general: "he is a versatile player who has been compared by some to Oscar Robertson, Magic Johnson, and Michael Jordan". Definitely should be expanded if reliable sources are identified that are more specific about the comparisons.—Bagumba (talk) 20:38, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * There used to be text on James' goal to average a triple-double, but not wanting to be called a point guard. This would shed more light on Magic/Oscar comparisons.  Will need go back and see when/why it got deleted.—Bagumba (talk) 17:57, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

72.74.175.36 (talk) 23:38, 8 December 2012 (UTC)== The Burning of Lebron's Jersey ==

While multiple people did burn Lebron's jersey and videotape it, only one person did it directly after The Decision72.74.175.36 (talk) 17:21, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I remember hearing something about one burning being motivated by a fan doing it purely to get on TV. We would need a source saying specifically how widespread it was. Note that the current source used in the article doesn't even say anything about any burnings.—Bagumba (talk) 18:04, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

In SI Vault look up "Jason Herren" and you'll find an article about Kyrie Irving and Lebron's jersey burning. Herren is the person who did it directly after The Decision, and he addresses the other burnings in the article. I dont have the link however. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1195421/index.htm 72.74.175.36 (talk) 19:37, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

The Decision
Should we add "The Decision" to the lead? Or is highly publicized free agency enough?James edwin (talk) 03:25, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I think "highly publicized free agency" is sufficient for the lead. Of course, there's much more detail available in the body of the article, as well as a whole spin-out article. Zagal e jo^^^ 03:32, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree with Zagalejo. Non-basketball fans do not need to be overloaded more than necessary with NBA-specific terms in the lead.—Bagumba (talk) 03:39, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Okay we can agree on that.James edwin (talk) 03:41, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Proposition to move everything public image-related to "Off the Court"
Re-reading the article after half a year, one thing that jumped out at me is that there is a lot about James' image and such in the main text. I propose to move all this to Off the Court.

That means: Virtually everything about The Decision, Miami's declaration of seven championships, James being a villain, James returning to being liked.

Essentially, reducing all of the main body text to being strictly basketball-related.--Ktmartell (talk) 02:44, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Some of that content could certainly be moved to the "Off the court" section, but we should make sure the narrative of the basketball section still makes sense. A little bit of context is useful for understanding his on-the-court actions. Zagal e jo^^^ 05:34, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd lean towards leaving anything related to his basketball image. "Off the court" should be more for endorsements or standing in pop culture (outside of NBA).—Bagumba (talk) 06:50, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Shortening of High School section
I think that the High School section needs to be trimmed to one or two paragraphs. I hate to lose all that great information - and perhaps we could turn it into a separate article - but for the purposes of this article, I think it's too long. Thoughts?--Ktmartell (talk) 02:44, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * There are several individual sentences that could probably be removed, but overall, I don't think it's that bad. He did receive national attention while he was in high school, so some level of detail should be expected. There are much longer high school sections out there; see Juwan Howard. Zagal e jo^^^ 05:42, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Overall article size is 40k readable prose, not too large per WP:ARTICLESIZE. For the most part, the HS section doesn't get into game-by-game detail which would make it WP:UNDUE.  Aside from fine-tuning, no major cuts needed.—Bagumba (talk) 06:34, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Off the Court
Shocker... I feel this section needs to be trimmed too. The section about politics definitely needs to go. The Khan Academy thing probably needs to go too. Thoughts?--Ktmartell (talk) 02:47, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * There are a number of items in that section that could probably go. Some of the "controversies" are pretty minor affairs, in the long run. And did anything ever happen with that Ice Cube TV special? That was reported in 2008; I haven't heard anything about that myself. Zagal e jo^^^ 05:49, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Politics can be summarized without the need for full quotes and play-by-play. I don't think it "needs to go" outright.—Bagumba (talk) 06:57, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * If no one has any complaints, I will remove the Ice Cube special and Khan Academy bits. I would also still like to remove the politics bit. I think that it's interesting, but aside from those specific two examples, James has never really shown an interest in political matters besides perhaps tweeting that he voted for Obama I think. Additionally, politics are not mentioned in the Michael Jordan or Tim Duncan featured articles, which I think we should aspire to. Unless anyone has a strong disagreement, I think removing the bit on politics would make the most sense.--Ktmartell (talk) 14:05, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST is not a strong argument in this case. Not sure about Duncan, but Jordan has received enough criticism about his involvement or lack thereof of African American causes that there should be some mention.  There is enough sources for James that some mention with WP:DUE weight about his involvement in politics seems to be of encyclopedic interest. It would not need mention in the lead though.—Bagumba (talk) 18:18, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Postseason Series' Averages
Sometimes, the article references specific postseason series' averages for LeBron (see 2006-07). For example, "In the first round he averaged X, in the second round he averaged X..." Sometimes, it doesn't. Is this an area where we need more consistency? Some things we can do:

- Erase individual series' averages unless they are significant (Finals averages or where he set a record)

- Find other individual series' averages (unnecessary, I think)

- Leave everything as is and use individual series' averages going forward if the data is available

Thoughts?--Ktmartell (talk) 14:08, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * List if significant. It's usually not that significant if the only source is a stats ref, which borders on WP:OR IMO. Mentioning every playoff series would get kind of boring to read without any additional context.—Bagumba (talk) 18:25, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

We must stop bloating this article
The International Career section has bloated to twice its length as of last night, and while it cites some great references and clearly took great research to expand, it is another example of this article being bloated unnecessarily.

Do we really need two or three sentences in every paragraph about James' attitude? Do we really need a quote from James reflecting on each of his Olympic experiences? Do we really need a summary of Team USA's leaders each year?

Reading the section for the first time, what stood out to me wasn't James' international accomplishments or team successes, but rather his evolution as a person and leader. That's not the tone that any of this article should take. In my opinion, we should mention that stuff where useful, but be very careful to make sure the basketball is at the fore-front. I would rather read an article too light on attitude, leadership, and pubic image than an article too heavy on it.

Am I alone in thinking this?--Ktmartell (talk) 00:27, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The article is 35K in readable prose, which is in no way too big per WP:Article size. When articles get too big, they can be preserved by methods such as splitting. There is no need to delete sourced and neutral coverage to meet an artificial size restriction. The article need to be more than methodical mentions of stats and records and awards.  A big knock on James was his lack of leadership, so a neutral description of his transformation as a leader is warranted. Being a leader is certainly a skill related to basketball. With the number of sources that talk about this, this is not POV that is undue.  Perhaps it can be summarized futher, but his leadership and attitude definitely needs coverage.—Bagumba (talk) 01:07, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree that this article is not too long and that details on James' leadership skill are relevant.— Chris! c / t 02:26, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Wade and Bosh signing one day before
The existing source says: "It's a huge victory for the Heat, which got Wade and Bosh, a five-time All-Star with the Toronto Raptors, to agree to take less money on Wednesday so James could join them. Heat president Pat Riley was able to corral the top three stars in an unprecedented free-agent class." I suppose one could argue that they took a pay cut after signing many days before Thursday. The sources are out there, but will have to find them if this is still contested.—Bagumba (talk) 22:48, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Bosh and Wade agreed to take less money so that James could be signed, but they were already with the Heat. Star767 (talk) 22:53, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe you're right about Bosh, but not Wade. Bosh agreed to take less money so that James could be signed. (I'm pretty sure there's a reference for that.) I apologize for my mistake. Star767 (talk) 22:59, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Wade was a FA. Are you contending the date he signed, or you wanted to clarify that Wade re-signed with Miami as opposed to just signing? At any rate, maybe the best thing is to find a source that is more explicit.—Bagumba (talk) 23:04, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The latest source should make it clearer.—Bagumba (talk) 23:11, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Bosh signed with the Heat before James, though the same year. "With the Heat still holding out faint hope of completing a majestic free-agent trifecta by luring LeBron James to South Florida to join Bosh and Dwyane Wade, a complete resolution to Bosh’s departure won’t be known until Thursday night." There was much drama! Star767 (talk) 23:16, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Since your last comment was marked with "edit conflict", I assume there is no longer an issue after my  addition of the last reference?—Bagumba (talk) 00:05, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

I don't think it's clear that Wade was already at the Heat, and that he gave up much to have James sign. He compromised on his salary and gave up his leadership of the team to James (per interviews on ESPN). Both Bosh and Wade very much wanted James at the Heat and agreed to lesser salaries. James also took less than he was offered from other teams, and was criticized in the press for doing so! Star767 (talk) 00:17, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The Wikipedia article only says, "The day before the special, fellow free agents Bosh and Wade also signed with Miami." The latest-added source is clear Wade was also a FA. The other issues you discuss appear irrelevant to the sentence in the Wikipedia article. —Bagumba (talk) 01:31, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Dug some more. Apparently Wade and Bosh only announced they would sign. All three officially signed the day after The Decision.  Hope the reword and added refs settle this.—Bagumba (talk) 02:39, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Relevant press release is here. All of the deals became official on the same day. Zagal e jo^^^ 03:15, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Pronouns in Early Life
I'm having a heard time finding the right pronouns in this paragraph:

James was born on December 30, 1984 in Akron, Ohio to a 16-year-old mother, Gloria Marie James, who raised LeBron on her own.[5][6] Growing up, life was often a struggle for LeBron and Gloria, who moved from apartment to apartment in the seedier neighborhoods of Akron while Gloria struggled to find steady work.[7] Realizing he would be better off with a more stable family environment, Gloria allowed LeBron to move in with the family of Frank Walker, a local youth football coach.[8] Walker became the father figure LeBron never had, and introduced LeBron to basketball when LeBron was nine-years-old.[8]

On one hand, I think it would be confusing to refer to LeBron as "James" the whole time because Gloria's last name is James as well. At the same time, I feel like the word "LeBron" is used too much. Thoughts?--Ktmartell (talk) 01:29, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * You can refer to MOS:NAME. He should typically be referred to as James since he is the subject of the article. —Bagumba (talk) 05:47, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Problem sections?
Are there any areas of the article left that are particularly week? I think that the 2007 and 2011 sections could be improved and maybe 2009 as well. 2007 has almost no regular season detail and then a lot of playoff detail, 2009's playoff section is worded weirdly, and 2011 seems kind of bloated. Thoughts?--Ktmartell (talk) 01:30, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Salaries
I'm wondering where the best place to put this is. Part of me thinks we could just remove it. I don't see it in any other Good Articles or Featured Articles on basketball players. Thoughts?--Ktmartell (talk) 17:43, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree, zap it. If what he's made is notable in itself, i.e. a landmark deal or something, I'd make mention of it in the season section of that year he was given a contract, with referencing.   Red Phoenix  build the future...remember the past... 20:15, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's important, so I'm going to delete it and put it here in case anyone wants it back.


 * All salaries from Basketball Reference.

--Ktmartell (talk) 02:59, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The external link to Basketball Reference is sufficient.—Bagumba (talk) 05:20, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Pictures worth removing
In the good article nomination, the reviewer mentioned that we are getting close to a picture overload. Are there any pictures in the NBA career section that you guys think could be removed? We could probably do away with the chalk one and the free throw against Hawks one IMO. Thoughts?--Ktmartell (talk) 17:45, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * the chalk one is a fairly unique shot, so I would keep it. The free throw one is hard to see what is going on without enlarging it;  I wouldn't mind replacing it, but that section would need another picture.—Bagumba (talk) 05:27, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Linking teams
Sometimes, you'll see a team's name linked, and it goes to that team's Wiki page from a particular year. For example, Atlanta Hawks goes to the Wiki page for the Hawks' 2013 season. Is this something that should be done in each sub-section if a team name appears there? So, for example, if the Hawks were mentioned in every sub-section (2004 - 2013), you would have the Hawks' name linked to the team's page for the year in question. I wouldn't mind doing this.--Ktmartell (talk) 17:47, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is a precedent for this, but I've considered doing this before also.—Bagumba (talk) 05:31, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Note: Notification of this discussion was left at WT:NBA.—Bagumba (talk) 05:35, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Should we go for Featured Article status?
Now that this is a Good Article, we could turn our attention to make it a Featured Article one day. One thing we will need to do to achieve this, unfortunately, will be to trim down each section even further. Here's an example of what I think we'd need to do:

Current 2006 season:

''At the 2006 NBA All-Star Game, James led the East to victory with a 29 point, 6 rebound, 2 assist performance, and became the youngest ever winner of the NBA All-Star Game MVP Award at 21 years, 51 days. For the 2005–06 season, he averaged 31.4 points, 7.0 rebounds, and 6.6 assists per game, becoming the youngest player in league history to average at least 30 points per game. He was considered a strong candidate for the NBA Most Valuable Player Award, but eventually finished second in the voting to Steve Nash; however, he was awarded co-MVP honors with Nash by The Sporting News, and was named to the All-NBA First Team for the first time in his career.

Under James' leadership, the Cavaliers qualified for the playoffs for the first time since 1998, improving their record by 33 wins from three years prior. In his playoff debut, he recorded a triple-double with 32 points, 11 rebounds, and 11 assists in a winning effort versus the Washington Wizards. He joined Johnny McCarthy and Magic Johnson as the only players in NBA history to register a triple-double in their playoff debut. For the series, James averaged 35.7 points per game and Cleveland defeated the Wizards in six games. In the next round, the Cavaliers were ousted by the defending Eastern Conference champion Detroit Pistons. James' final playoff averages were 30.8 points, 8.1 rebounds, and 5.8 assists per game. ''

If we wanted to go for a Featured Article:

''At the 2006 NBA All-Star Game, James led the East to victory with a 29 point, 6 rebound, 2 assist performance, becoming the youngest ever winner of the NBA All-Star Game MVP Award at 21 years, 51 days. For the 2005–06 season, he averaged 31.4 points, 7.0 rebounds, and 6.6 assists per game, becoming the youngest player in league history to average at least 30 points per game. He was considered a strong candidate for the NBA Most Valuable Player Award, but eventually finished second in the voting to Steve Nash; however, he was awarded co-MVP honors with Nash by The Sporting News, and was named to the All-NBA First Team for the first time in his career. Under James' leadership, the Cavaliers qualified for the playoffs for the first time since 1998, improving their record by 33 wins from three years prior. In his playoff debut, he recorded a triple-double with 32 points, 11 rebounds, and 11 assists in a winning effort versus the Washington Wizards. Cleveland defeated the Wizards in six games, eventually losing to the defending Eastern Conference champion Detroit Pistons in the next round. ''

We'd have to basically cut out all specific details ("LeBron became the third player after X and Y to do...") and probably playoff averages as well, as those can really bloat an article. Thoughts?--Ktmartell (talk) 01:02, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't suggest to blindly "cut out all specific details". I would agree that averages for each round of the playoffs dont need to be enumerated, but can be listed if it is notable e.g. sources talk about its significance in prose and not just pulled from a stats listing. "third player after X and Y" helps to add context sometimes; if it seems trivial, I'd consider relegating to a footnote instead of outright deleting. A lot of those "youngest player to score" 10K, 15K, 25K, etc can be placed in one section under "Player profile", describing in general that he was the youngest player to achieve a lot of various milestones.—Bagumba (talk) 01:21, 29 May 2013 (UTC)


 * If a cut is made, I think the best place to move it would be LeBron's list of achievements. As for the youngest to 10K, 15K, 20K stuff, I agree those could go in his player profile, or even in an Honors section similar to the one on Tim Duncan's page.--Ktmartell (talk) 02:20, 29 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Officially trimmed this section, commencing Operation Featured Article. I removed the McCarthy and Magic info and moved it to the Achievements page.--Ktmartell (talk) 13:22, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

NBA career section has been re-organized
To match the formatting of other Featured Articles such as Michael Jordan and Tim Duncan, I trimmed each sub-section a little bit and then reduced the number of sub-headers. The organization is now:

2003-04: Rookie season 2004-08: Rise to superstardom 2008-10: First MVP reign 2010-11: Debut season 2011-present: First championship and second MVP reign

If anyone has better ideas about how to break everything up, go for it!--Ktmartell (talk) 18:15, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * That is a good idea.— Chris! c / t 23:57, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Need new citation
This source currently cited does not seem to support any of the above text. Please quote the relevant text (I could just be blind), or find alternative sources.—Bagumba (talk) 22:43, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Great catch. Does the citation before that even support this statement? I'm thinking it needs to be removed.--Ktmartell (talk) 00:31, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find a good reference for it anywhere, so I removed it.--Ktmartell (talk) 16:16, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Opinions from Bleacher Report
This edit re-added deleted material stating "Added an opinion, cited the source, it is an opinion so reliability of the source is an invalid argument against this edit." Granted it's true that Bleacher Report wrote the opinion, but I see no benefit to adding an opinion from an unreliable source, unless reliable sources also write about this specific article from Bleacher Report.—Bagumba (talk) 19:19, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Capriaf has added other sources, but the proposed text is still pretty clunky. (And can you just imagine the precedent it would set? Every time there's a disputed call, people would expect to see something about it in Wikipedia.) If we must address the issue in the article, it would be best to directly quote a major NBA analyst. Zagal e jo^^^ 23:44, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I've never seen any serious basketball writer talk about the officiating of the 2012 Finals in retrospect. At the time, I know there was controversy over the end of Game 2 and Durant always being in foul trouble, but in my opinion, that sort of thing always happens. Ten years from now, no one is getting to remember the officiating in that series the same way they will the officiating in Game 7 of the 2002 WCF, for example. I don't think it should be included unless several major sources are cited.--Ktmartell (talk) 16:19, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Even if more sources are found, it would be more appropriately placed in 2012 NBA Finals. It'd have to be pretty significant and specific to a player to make its way to individual player bios.—Bagumba (talk) 18:48, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd say this is resolved. Even if multiple major sources are given, because this is a biography, it still shouldn't be mentioned.--Ktmartell (talk) 16:41, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

My recent edit
I made this change for a couple of reasons. First, the structure of the sentence suggests that James lost his eligibility because he played in the high school all-star games. Second, James had not yet declared for the draft by the time that reference was published. Zagal e jo^^^ 20:55, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm. After looking at this again, the source does say that you can only play in two all-star games without losing your college eligibility. So I guess the text was correct as written. However, it might be good to change the reference to something that was published after he played in all three games. (At the time, the author was uncertain if LeBron would play in the McDonald's game.) Zagal e jo^^^ 21:13, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Chasedown block
Just a suggestion to strongly consider incorporating this material> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/06/sports/basketball/06cavs.html?_r=0 into the player profile section. It is recognized as one of LeBron's 'signature' plays. BV talk 23:07, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Great source! I think we should definitely find a way to get this in there - Maybe do a whole paragraph dedicated to his defensive game. The problem is that I'm having some trouble finding any criticism of his defensive game. I'm sure there's quite a bit from earlier in his career. I'd hate to have to cite Charley Rosen.--Ktmartell (talk) 00:24, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * LeBron was often criticized (and to some degree still is) on being a frequent flopper. I'm almost certain you can find reliable sources on this. Do you think it might qualify as criticism of his defensive game?BV talk 03:54, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Some material on him at Flop (basketball).—Bagumba (talk) 04:31, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't think you'll find web pages criticizing James defensively earlier in his career, he was a solid defender coming into the league who just continued to get better. Flopping is one of those things than can be said, he was recently fined by the NBA. Thing is lots of players flop and it can also be done on offense not just defense. DA Fernandez (talk) 18:20, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Picture on homepage?
Could you find a more negative stereotypical lebron james photo? Are you saying out of the millions of photos of Lebron James that's the best you can find is an angry scowl? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.193.216.54 (talk) 00:09, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * To me, the homepage photo needs to be: Current (a Heat photo), high quality, and clearly show LeBron's face. I don't know of a picture that does a better job of that than the current one.--Ktmartell (talk) 19:29, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Fix commentary on game stats from 2013 Finals Game 7
It currently says "He went on to score 37 points and grab 12 rebounds in the deciding Game 7, tying the record for the most points in an NBA Finals Game 7 established by Tom Heinsohn in 1957." That is not entirely accurate. It tied the most points in an NBA Finals Game 7 victory. Please correct the sentence to reflect this. ScirosDarkblade (talk) 17:43, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Fixed, thanks! Zagal e jo^^^ 18:03, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Potential area to trim
The 2013 section is very long. I think it reads well still, but one area I think we could potentially trim is the three or four lines about his February. I think that it would be sufficient to, instead of listing his shooting efficiency accomplishments, simply say that he set numerous shooting efficiency records, and then list the records in a note. In general, I think we want to avoid things like, "He became the first player since X in X to do X and X". That kind of thing is probably more suited for a career achievements list. Thoughts?--Ktmartell (talk) 13:32, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The youngest to 20,000 can be moved to career list, and generalized in profile section. I'm ok with leaving Kareem reference, as it shows how rare it was to shoot that well in a month, but removing or footnoting exact FGM/FGA numbers.—Bagumba (talk) 14:54, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I removed the "youngest to..." sentences all over the article. Thanks.--Ktmartell (talk) 19:30, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

NBA career statistics
Somebody please put

before NBA career statistics section. 23.22.150.25 (talk) 05:42, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to do so. What does

mean?--Ktmartell (talk) 14:41, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It's a template that separates two sections. See Template:clear. Please add it at the end of this section. 54.242.204.143 (talk) 11:05, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Done.--Ktmartell (talk) 19:27, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Should not the year when LeBron James was scoring-champ marked in the table of his career statistics? "led the league"-like? Did he maybe led the league in further years and categories? --88.67.238.232 (talk) 01:48, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Do we need to say "Eastern" Conference Finals?
Should we say "Eastern" Conference Finals every time LeBron makes it to them? In my opinion, we shouldn't, because it's established quite firmly throughout the article that LeBron plays in the East, so continually writing "Eastern" Conference Finals is redundant. Thoughts?--Ktmartell (talk) 14:40, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Didn't hear anything, so I went ahead and made the change.--Ktmartell (talk) 19:25, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Legacy section
Depending on the kinds of articles that come out next week talking about LeBron's legacy, do you guys think it would be appropriate to start putting a section together about that, or do you think it's too early? I think it may be too early, but if it's a good read, I'm all for it.--Ktmartell (talk) 14:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it would be too early for anything like that. Assuming he remains healthy, he still has about a decade's worth of basketball left in him (maybe more). Zagal e jo^^^ 00:06, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree. I'll put this one to rest.--Ktmartell (talk) 19:20, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

SLAM Magazine Ranking
Is it necessary to include LeBron's ranking on SLAM's list of the 500 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time (in the "Awards and Honors" subsection)? The ranking is rather specious, as James is still in his prime; indeed, his contemporaries' Wikipedia profiles (including articles for Chris Paul, Carmelo Anthony and Dwight Howard) make no mention of SLAM's list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KMS2000 (talk • contribs) 02:10, 26 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not opposed to keeping it or removing it. It's still quite an honor to be ranked #31, although considering the ranking happened a couple of years ago, it's probably not reflective of James' current standing in league history.--Ktmartell (talk) 03:07, 26 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree; in a vacuum, being named the 31st greatest player to ever live is, without question, an honour. Still, we're talking about LeBron James, a transcendent/"generational" player who many have pegged as a top-ten all-time talent, and a member of basketball's pantheon. However, if somebody new to the NBA were to read his Wikipedia profile (and, more specifically, his ranking on SLAM), he/she might get the wrong idea and not appreciate the scope of James' greatness. I think it'd be prudent to either remove the ranking or add context (especially since his contemporaries' Wikipedia articles don't mention the list). — Preceding unsigned comment added by KMS2000 (talk • contribs) 11:05, 26 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Since that section is just supposed to be a high level overview of his awards anyway, we can probably remove it, but we'll keep it in the career achievements page.--Ktmartell (talk) 15:34, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Lead
"His career achievements and leadership role during the Heat's 2012 and 2013 championship runs have led many basketball analysts, experts, and writers to consider him the best player in the NBA today." This sentence is nonsense because he was considered the best way before he even won the first championship. After winning two championships and two NBA Finals MVPs, he's considered one of the greatest of all time. Randomuser112 (talk) 15:16, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The sentence says "His career achievements and leadership role during the Heat's 2012 and 2013 championship runs" -so it's not just based on the championships. I think it's too early for the "greatest of all time" category. Let's be conservative about the claims we make. Zagal e jo^^^ 00:26, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, LeBron James "was considered the best way before he even won the first championship" because of media hype. Besides, his career is not over yet, so it is premature to proclaim he is the greatest of all time.— Chris! c / t 01:20, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree. The last thing we need is for this article to become the Kobe Bryant article. I appreciate the effort those guys put in, but it's got significant POV issues.--Ktmartell (talk) 19:25, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

LeBron James was not considered the best because of "media hype", he was considered the best because he was genuinely the best player in the NBA. He's clearly been the best since the '08 season and one can argue even before that. As for All-Time great, I think it's too soon to say it on Wikipedia, but anyone knowledgable on the game can tell you that James at 28 is already arguably among the top 10 players to ever play the game. Bill Simmons who has basically made a living off ranking players and talking basketball said James is inside the top 10 to ever play in NBA history after his second ring. DA Fernandez (talk) 00:52, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Should high school accomplishments be in the "Career highlights and awards" section?
To me, this section should be more for college or professional accomplishments. What do you guys think?--Ktmartell (talk) 19:40, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Getting a picture of LeBron James in high school
Can anyone think of a way to get a picture of LeBron James in high school that would be in compliance with Wikipedia's picture rules?--Ktmartell (talk) 22:52, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It would be difficult unless you can find a government image or someone who own one upload it under a free license.— Chris! c / t 23:32, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 July 2013
Derek Austin Murphy (talk) 05:21, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. No actual request here. Nici  Vampire  Heart  11:10, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Why were references removed for some career accomplishments?
The reference for Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year 2012 is gone now for some reason. It's not cited on Basketball Reference, so there's no reason why it should have been taken off. Does anyone have an idea why it was removed? If not, I'll re-add.--Ktmartell (talk) 22:51, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Thoughts on the new main pic
What do you guys think of the new main picture? I like it, but I liked the other one a little more because you can see LeBron's face better. What are your preferences?--Ktmartell (talk) 23:52, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

New image
Did people notice this image update. Do we want the newer image?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:02, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I saw that as well. I prefer the old image because it gives a clearer image of James' face. My vote goes against the new image.--Ktmartell (talk) 13:23, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Intro paragraph
The intro paragraph says: "James has been a two-time NBA champion, a four-time NBA Most Valuable Player, a two-time NBA Finals MVP, a two-time Olympic gold medalist, an NBA scoring champion, and the NBA Rookie of the Year."

To me, it would make more sense to say: "James is a two-time NBA champion, four-time NBA Most Valuable Player, two-time NBA Finals MVP, two-time Olympic gold medalist, NBA scoring champion, and former NBA Rookie of the Year."

"Has been" doesn't make sense in the context of all of those accomplishments except ROTY. To say he has been a two-time champion is wrong; he is a two-time champion. To say he has been a four-time MVP is wrong; he is a four-time MVP. What are everyone's thoughts on this?--Ktmartell (talk) 13:27, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think "has been" is wrong in any of those contexts. Indeed, I think the present perfect tense is the best verb tense to use. The act of winning a championship or award is something that happened in the past, but that accomplishment has implications for James' current status. Zagal e jo^^^ 23:47, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * We could, of course, recast the sentence to avoid the issue entirely. (Eg, "James has won two NBA championships, four NBA Most Valuable Player awards,..." and so forth.)
 * "Has been" is almost certainly wrong in most of those contexts. Once you win a championship, you are a champion. Once you win four MVPs, you are a four-time MVP. Those things never expire. To say that he "has been" a two-time champion implies that he used to be but is no longer. We can change the structure of the sentence if you want, but I'm 99% sure it's wrong as it is and in my opinion, it would sound better to leave it as it is and change the "has been".--Ktmartell (talk) 20:15, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * There's a difference between "has been" and "was". Consider this sentence: "He has been president since 2008." That means he became president in 2008, and still holds that status. Zagal e jo^^^ 20:29, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The key in that example is the "since 2008" qualifier. Simply saying "Barack Obama has been president" when he is currently president would not be correct. That's essentially what we're doing in the article. We're saying that LeBron has been a two-time champion even though his is currently a two-time champion. If you Google around, you'll see that almost all "has been" examples have some kind of qualifier, and we don't have a qualifier.--Ktmartell (talk) 15:05, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sure I can many examples without a timeframe qualifier. For example: "Linda has been a powerful advocate for the critical need to expedite veterans’ claims, and for making federal programs more responsive to the concerns and needs of veterans—priorities I share." That doesn't mean she stopped caring about veterans' needs. (Obviously, since she was nominated for a federal post with the Department of Veterans Affairs.)
 * I really think you're over-thinking things here. I'd prefer that someone else step in to the conversation, to offer a third opinion. Zagal e jo^^^ 18:29, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I just reworded the sentence. I don't think it's productive to keep this argument going. (Though I'd still like to hear another opinion to confirm that I'm not crazy.) Zagal e jo^^^ 18:41, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 6 August 2013
Right now, LeBron James is 29 years old and not 28 years old, so you should change that

59.177.226.136 (talk) 13:08, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Unless his birthdate is wrong, 28 is correct. He won't turn 29 until late December. (At that point, his age will automatically be updated.) Zagal e jo^^^ 02:27, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Info box image
A new info box image was recently loaded. Here's a link to the old one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LeBron_James_at_GSW.jpg

What are your thoughts? I like the old image better, personally. Is there a better image than either that anyone knows about? Thanks!--Ktmartell (talk) 14:21, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Barack Obama image
This image does not make sense to put in the "Professional Career" section. Images in this section should be basketball-related. If anyone disagrees with me, please let me know; otherwise, the image will be removed.--Ktmartell (talk) 14:41, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Alrighty. I figured out a decent compromise. I moved the Obama picture to the "Personal Life" section and put a clearer basketball-related picture in the 2013 section.--Ktmartell (talk) 15:22, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2013
Please add the award Christmas MVP (2013) to LeBron's collection. Official image by the NBA: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BcZEhT8CIAATBwH.jpg:large

PGset (talk) 04:50, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Not done: No reliable source that gives indication this is a major award worth mentioning.—Bagumba (talk) 14:31, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2013
Please change 250 lb to 250 lbs under the sentence, "LeBron Raymone James (/ləˈbrɒn/; born December 30, 1984), nicknamed "King James", is an American professional basketball player for the Miami Heat of the National Basketball Association (NBA). Standing at 6 ft 8 in (2.03 m) and weighing 250 lb (113 kg), he has played the small forward and power forward positions."

CyHack (talk) 18:44, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Per Manual of Style/Dates and numbers: "Symbols are identical in singular and plural—an s is never appended e.g. km, in, lb, not kms, ins, lbs." Jackmcbarn (talk) 19:38, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

LeBron-ing
Is his internet fame for acting like a soccer player and making a ludicrous dive, thus setting off a wave of copycatting for videos, sufficent notability for inclusion? -- 70.50.148.122 (talk) 11:01, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Is this picture acceptable?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11761252@N07/2237679007/in/photolist-4pJG1x-4pJG1B-4qz2fh-4KUM5F-4KUMCv-5avYRF-5eKjfB-5jsRcE-5jsRkS-5nrK4Y-5rrU8w-5Bqpb6-5YRrNZ-6r2akW-6rToxA-6wRySd-6wZwAA-6y4QLZ-6F4jGQ-6PkfYY-6Sic2h-6Sic3o-6Sic4G-71MLoS-72ARWC-7borcH-7fq7di-7uZ87i-9vWpC5-84HFE7-9jqTN3-8f8TFv-ax3Z5X-7Winnk-ehqMkp-eJsEFC-b4kZnP-84wVz3-84wVyS-ehwvCJ-eJsEJh-8xUzvz-8xXCEf-8xUG7p-8xUFf8-8xXFiN-8xXDDA-8xXEzq-8xUEsB-atyu4e-eEerv4

Would be a nice addition to high school section.--Ktmartell (talk) 21:04, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Short answer: no, it says "All Rights Reserved." More detailed explanations on what is acceptable at commons:Commons:FAQ.—Bagumba (talk) 22:30, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

hi i am deborah i am a huge fan of yours and this is really nice to see you on tv and play basketball i really wanted to play but never got to to you lebron james nice to right you my name is deborah.m — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.239.163.128 (talk) 21:08, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 March 2014
there is wrong information here

202.72.221.3 (talk) 07:58, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ". Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 10:00, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as you have not requested a change.

Chalk-toss picture
I feel I'm in the minority when I say that I don't love this picture. I don't dislike it, but I think it's the worst picture on the page. I also don't think it's that important; LeBron did the routine for a couple of years but hasn't done it most of his career. There have also been like a dozen other guys who did it. I vote we remove it to reduce clutter. We can always bring it back later once a "Legacy" section is added or the inevitable "Business ventures" section. Thoughts?--Ktmartell (talk) 01:47, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
 * We discussed this before at . If clutter is the issue, I think the shot of him standing at the free throw line is quite mundane and could be removed instead.—Bagumba (talk) 06:34, 18 April 2014 (UTC)