Talk:Lionel Messi/Archive 2

Messi is of Italian descent
many people are interested in the fact that he is of Italian descent. the fact that you removed this shows an obvious bias, and is extemely rude regarding the fact that this has come up several times and so is of interest to many users. you may not think it's important that jfk is of irish descent, but every decent biography of him relates this.

your obvious bias is a shame. there should be no space given to prejudice here. this is a forum for users.

we are not relating information about him to cover your prejudice. we are trying to give a true reflection of who he is and where he came from. if newspapers in spain think this was noteworthy, then why shouldn't it be printed here.

my interest in pages written and edited by people like you with obvious prejudices wanes. there is a huge correlation between many argentinian footballers and italy. if that's not of interest to you, tough. it may be of interest to others.

shame on you, and your prejudice. this colours whether i will use wikipedia. your bias is deplorable.

76.69.140.65 (talk) 04:40, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The Manual of Style states clearly that ethnicity should not be emphasized in the opening paragraph of biographies unless specifically relevant to the subjects notability. Camw (talk) 07:41, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

New award
Messi has won a new award http://goal.com/en-us/news/88/spain/2009/11/11/1619265/barcelona-star-lionel-messi-wins-trofeo-alfredo-di-stefano

Simba1409 (talk) 00:48, 12 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Feel free to add it to the article along with the reference if you think it is worthwhile. One of the main principles on this project is to be bold. If you make a change and someone disagrees or it breaks something they will revert and discussion can take place. This is all described in the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle. Camw (talk) 00:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I can't edit it, there is no edit button for me to do so? Simba1409 (talk) 02:12, 12 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah sorry, the article is protected, your account will be able to edit it once the account is 4 days old or older. Camw (talk) 09:40, 12 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't you see that this award is already included in his page? He won this award a few months ago and yesterday was only a ceremony on which he could finally lift this trophy:)
 * Next time maybe you should check Messi's page first in order not to start unnecessary discussion like this.
 * PS However, both recent LFP Awards (Best Player and Best Striker), and maybe FIFA Team of The Year 2008 must be added to Messi's page.
 * Patrinho10 (talk) 14:17, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Playing style
I noticed a lot of players had 'Playing Styles' but Messi had none. I added one, edit/remove it if you disagree Simba1409 (talk) 22:11, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Castrol Rankings
Hey, I was just wondering shouldn't we had the http://www.castrolfootball.com/rankings/rankings/ castrol rankings to player profiles? If so I will go around and add thesse? Simba1409 (talk) 02:38, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Disagree. Ive never heard of it so please establish that it's a notable ranking. And why is Henry ranked 1st? Doesn't make sense. 77.213.125.9 (talk) 17:17, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


 * It is calculated, we have a page about it! They are the official sponsor of the world cup! Simba1409 (talk • contribs) 08:23, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Winger vs. striker? No, winger AND striker!
Why can't we say he plays in two positions?!? Some sources say he is a winger (such as Football-Lineups.com and ESPNsoccernet), while others say he is a striker (such as UEFA, FC Barcelona and Goal.com). There are very few players (goalkeepers the exception!) who only play in one position - what is wrong with saying he plays in both positions?!? Please stop this petty edit warring or I'll have to report all involved parties. GiantSnowman 23:58, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Thankyou, I added striker because the official Barca website states he is a winger and a striker, then that other person couldn't accept it! almost every player (apart from goalies) has played more than one position! Simba1409 (talk) 00:04, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Barcelona B Stats
They say 5 games 0 goals, while it should be 30 games and 37 goals... 98.242.155.160 (talk) 17:26, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Picture
the picture on the page should be: 98.242.155.160 (talk) 17:32, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * This isn't a free image Spiderone  08:21, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Messi won the "Olimpia de Plata 2009" to the best foreign league football player
(Spanish) http://www.quenonino.com.uy/quenonino/tabid/37/idNoticia/12690/Premios-Olimpia/Default.aspx 173.60.21.208 (talk) 00:22, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

UNICEF announces him as goodwill ambassador
http://www.unicef.org/media/media_52938.html This should be added into the wikipedia entry. UNICEF announced Messi as a goodwill ambassador. Seref i (talk) 13:22, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅ Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:57, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Change the Ballon d'Or and FIFA World Player of the Year Nominations sentence in the intro paragraph.
The sentence that says he's recieved several Ballon d'Or and FIFA World Player of the Year award nominations by the age of 21 should include that he also won both by the age of 22. 207.34.229.126 (talk) 18:01, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅ Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:58, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Messi never won Champions League
The article states that Messi won the Champions League in the 2005-2006 season. He was injured and missed the end of this season and was not part of the squad for the final, which would be required in order to receive a winners medal. 92.236.253.158 (talk) 23:46, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅ Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:01, 24 March 2010 (UTC)


 * He was part of the Barca's champions league squad of the season, and paid contribution. The fact that he was injured during the final game DOES NOT mean that he hasn't won champions league.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.20.238.252 (talk) 17:54, 25 March 2010 (UTC)


 * That is a lie. Messi WAS part of the CL final squad that year. He did not play any second, nevertheless he was included into the final's squad, which proves that he did receive both - the honour and medal for the tournament.


 * http://in.rediff.com/sports/2006/may/15messi.htm
 * http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/4773247.stm


 * I can find many more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kismeth (talk • contribs) 23:42, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Bravo Award
According to the article about it, Messi won the Bravo award in 2007. However, this award doesn't appear in this page for Messi's individual awards. This should be confirmed and corrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deansg (talk • contribs) 15:45, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Messi's age/birthday is wrong
It says he was born on the 14 of june 1997 and that he is aged 12, when in fact his birthday is the 24 of june 1987 and is currently age 22 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.105.158.210 (talk) 18:09, 7 April 2010 (UTC)   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.248.176.193 (talk)

Edit request from 78.149.124.164, 6 April 2010
His early life says I am a complete cunt, change this place.

78.149.124.164 (talk) 19:35, 6 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done --JokerXtreme (talk) 19:43, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Lionel Messi's age
His DOB says 24 June 1997 (1997-06-14) (age 12). I think thats incorrect. Someone should double check mon that. Thanks. hector —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.165.246.6 (talk) 18:04, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

New Position
If anyone hasn't noticed Messi has been playing more centre recently behind the striker rather than floating on the wing area and before proposing a new change I looked for evidince and found it today!



Anyway we need to add to the list, we now he plays Striker every now and then and usualy on the wing but this new position is behind the striker so I suggest we had second striker?

Also should we mention something about him being in papers acrross europe which is also in that page I listed! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simba1409 (talk • contribs) 21:54, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Declarations about Messi becoming the best player in soccer history
It's necessary to add the declarations of several great soccer players and legends such as Diego Maradona saying Messi is in the way to become the best player in the whole soccer history

http://www.marca.com/2010/04/07/futbol/equipos/barcelona/1270661474.html
 * No it isn't. That's POV. When most reputable media says so, after he has had a long career, (like Pelé, Maradona or Cruyff). Just now what Maradona says he will become, does not qualify. -- Alexf(talk) 20:02, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Who defines "most reputable media". That's personal point of view. A lot of media is saying so already. And Maradona's opinion isnt another opinion, he's one of the 2 best soccer players of history according to FIFA, most qualified person to talk about it ever —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.138.177.132 (talk) 22:09, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Established sports media. Maradona is one person and it's his opinion. I personally might agree but these are WP's rules. Please read the definition on POV.

Many established sports media -- not just Maradona -- are already saying Messi might be the greatest footballer of all time. Of course, there will never be an unanimous view. But the fact that some people are suggesting this should be mentioned in the article. 123.49.44.160 (talk) 15:26, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Assists - It's 11 NOT 10.
Someone added an eleventh assist after the Zaragoza match but someone else took it down and it has since not been edited properly.

Lionel Messi won the penalty for Zlatan Ibrahimovic - According to assist rules, Messi should have had an assist for it. Proof:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assist_(football)

"Where goals resulting from penalties are concerned, the player who is fouled in the area receives an assist point (unless, that is, the player who is fouled subsequently executes the penalty himself .)"

This season he has 39 goals and 11 assists, not 10, please change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BFUK (talk • contribs) 16:56, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

You need a source saying he has 11. Wikipedia is not considered a source of information regarding anything except Wikipedia itself. Sandman888 (talk) 16:59, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Hello?
Does anyone want to disscus the new position 'behind the striker?' Simba1409 (talk) 22:27, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * []. Personally I prefer the term "Second Striker". --79.155.49.114 (talk) 18:24, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Same, he playys behind the striker now so on evidence I believe iti is right to add Second Striker to the list! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simba1409 (talk • contribs) 06:45, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Messi's age/birthday is wrong
It says he was born on the 14 of june 1997 and that he is aged 12, when in fact his birthday is the 24 of june 1987 and is currently age 22 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.105.158.210 (talk) 18:09, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

14 june / 24 june conflict on page. correct it kids. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.64.16.48 (talk) 15:46, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 69.104.229.30, 15 April 2010
100 plus goals, not 80 as shown

69.104.229.30 (talk) 15:34, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Do you have a reliable source to confirm this? Also, "100 plus" is not something i can add, it has to be a specific number. If you do, please add a new request including the source you found. Thanks! Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 21:08, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

The Barca website itself

No I am not the person requesting the edit but Messi has scored over 100 goals! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simba1409 (talk • contribs) 11:03, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

International goals
Should't the international goals table be under the 'international career' section? Right now it's in the 'Club statistics'. Doesn't make much sense IMO. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.156.84.249 (talk) 19:22, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

position
messi isn't a striker, he is at best a second striker or a deep lying forward, please change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nisimlevi (talk • contribs) 18:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Bad English
The club career section ends with the following sentence: Messi said about his ex-coach Rijkaard: "I never forget that Rijkaard has launched me. That he gave me confidence as I only sixteen, seventeen years was.

Put the "was" after I, and a comma after confidence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.247.206.240 (talk) 04:03, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

plz remove the matches of Barcelona B in the statistics plz it's very bad and changes the real acheivments with barcelona first team —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.53.100.0 (talk) 21:21, 16 May 2010 (UTC) very bad english

Career Statistics
plz remove the statistics of Barcelona B from the Shedule of Career Statistics

or make A total for Barcelona and another one for career totals like other players

but i prefer to remove it cuz it's useless and change the facts of the real statsitics —Preceding unsigned comment added by AhMeD BoSS (talk • contribs) 15:15, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

The career statistics are also horribly off. I realize that his goal and appearances tallies are only marking La Liga, but shouldn't all competition play be included? According to ESPN, Messi has a total of 125 career goals with Barcelona, and 167 total appearances in all competitions. 76.247.206.240 (talk) 15:09, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Messi is Konstantin's best m8! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.182.48.190 (talk) 20:26, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 78.101.206.144, 14 June 2010
78.101.206.144 (talk) 12:21, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Not done: no request. Spigot Map  13:16, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Nelycapitanr, 15 June 2010
appearances for barcelona for lionel messi are now 197. goals for lionel messi for barcelona are now 135.

Nelycapitanr (talk) 20:16, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- &#47; DeltaQuad &#124; Notify Me &#92; 20:32, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Pending system
Every change made to this article makes my watchlist go nuts. I can't even decline some idiotic stuff about messi playing for bursaspor? Could we please go back to the old system, until its possible to decline revisions? Sandman888 (talk) 21:20, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There seems to be a problem if one uses use Twinkle, rather than the 'native' rollback or revert. See Wikipedia_talk:Reviewing. William Avery (talk) 21:27, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

info box question
Under Senior career and National team the years 2004– and 2005– mean what exactly, 2004–to present, and 2005–to present? Ward20 (talk) 19:11, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Messi's position should be changed to "Second striker / Deep lying forward"
I have to insist that Messi is neither a striker (like Zlatan or Eto'o are) nor a winger (like Pedro or C. Ronaldo are). It is compelling to call him a striker because he plays recently in center forward and there is no other forwards in front of him, but he is and has always been a second striker or a deep lying forward. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nisimlevi (talk • contribs) 18:47, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It is strange that this position "in the hole" which many well known players occupy doesn't actually have a name, but that is the situation as far as I know. d a n n o  21:39, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Wwfcbrad, 25 June 2010
I think Lionel Messi should have the position attacking Midfielder added to his current positions of just striker and winger. He has played as an attacking Midfielder many times for Barcelona and has played all 3 of Argentina's group games in the 2010 world cup in attacking midfield position.

Wwfcbrad (talk) 21:04, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid you will have to provide sources Sandman888 (talk) 21:36, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

anyhow,it's also important info that he holds spanish citizenship,i think,am i wrong?
No,I don't think so.After all, he was born in Argentina,and he still plays on the Argentine team.For such a big boy, what can we say?I believe,he is Argentine,and he loves his country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.12.104.181 (talk) 09:44, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Mother's ethnicity?
A recent edit (with a source) claims that Messi's mother is also of Italian decent. Unfortunately my Spanish is pretty weak but doing the best I can (and then also running it through the Google translator) I can't find where it says that about his mother. Can someone verify that the article actually supports that claim? I've tagged it for now. SQGibbon (talk) 02:19, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

I can't understand why this would be relevant, she most probably is descended from an Italian family as her surname suggests but most Argentinians are descended from Italians.190.16.186.12 (talk) 23:16, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

messi's official sponsor?
who is messi's official sponsor? is it addis or nike? It is ADIDAS for God's sake messi also sponsores pepsi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sportytrish99 (talk • contribs) 06:33, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Messi is a massive Oasis fan
Can this be added to the personal section. Plenty of links on net to back it up if you type in Messi and Noel Gallagher on google. Its important for fans to know what music he is into. Here is a link from NME magazine []

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.249.57.48 (talk) 13:42, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

This is not true. He himself said this in a conference, it's only gossip and a rumor.190.16.186.12 (talk) 23:17, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Who cares? This is an encyclopedia, not a forum for fans. Drmies (talk) 23:18, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

official blog?
Messi has an official blog in Japanese which he posts through a Japanese translator. Anyone know if he has one in Spanish or English?

Searching in Google only gave me the official site (not a blog) and several fan sites but that's about it... --Immer in Bewegung (talk) 01:36, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Messi's position
where it lists that messi's positions (striker and winger) they should add attacking midfielder because messi played this positon for his last 15 games of the 07-08 season with barcelona and in the 2010 world cup, which is a significant amount of times playing attacking midfielder, therefore it should be worth mentioning. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.153.30.50 (talk) 18:32, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Assists
Messi assisted 2 goals against Panathinaikos. However, his assist count in 2010/11 season is still at 0. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.52.143.187 (talk) 21:35, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

I think it was one assist. the official page of uefa say so: http://en.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/clubs/player=95803/index.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.215.242.231 (talk) 01:44, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Pliz correct the assists in europa this season. Messi has one assist not two. http://es.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/clubs/player=95803/index.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.162.123.71 (talk) 13:27, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Position
Is Messi a Winger or a Second Striker (SS)? I think he's more of a second striker since he sometimes plays as an attacking midfielder. I was about to change it but thought it has to be given a little bit of a discussion. Attractionist (talk) 20:50, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

He plays in both positions. When he was promoted, from Barça B, he used to play as a Winger, but this last year, 2009-10, Guardiola started to put him as a SS, where he has proven to be very effective (he won the last golden boot award). So I wouldn't change it. He is a Winger AND a Second Striker. --88.19.239.97 (talk) 18:42, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

isn't he used as the main striker right now? with villa and iniesta on the flanks? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.163.68.224 (talk) 21:28, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Picture Error
The picture called: Messi during 2009 FIFA Club World Cup

Shows Messi in Barcelona team colours. The FIFA World Cup is a tournament for national teams so I'm pretty sure that this is mistake as Cataluyna still hasn't managed to succeed from Spain as of yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.16.47 (talk) 15:50, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It is talking about the FIFA Club World Cup, a competition for confederation winning club teams. Camw (talk) 22:13, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Season 2003/2004
I think this season should be included in the infobox as he debuted this year in the B team. In fact he had quite a rise through the ranks starting the season in the Juvenil B then moved up to Juvenil A then moved up to Barcelona C (fourth division) and again moved up to Barcelona B (third division). He played 8 matches scoring 5 goals for Barcelona C and played 5 matches for Barcelona B without scoring. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.59.221.119 (talk) 18:50, 8 December 2010 (UTC)