Talk:Lionel Messi/Archive 3

Mistake in Early life
"city of Ancona where ...emigrated to Argentina" should be: "city of Ancona from which ...emigrated to Argentina"

some photos with messi : http://beta.album2.com/messi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.97.211.239 (talk) 20:10, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Hypocoristic
Messi is commonly referred to by the diminutive form of Lionel, Leo.


 * http://www.fundacionleomessi.org/index.php?lang=en - His foundation is the "Leo Messi Foundation".
 * http://www.fcbarcelona.com/web/english/futbol/temporada_10-11/plantilla/jugadors/messi.html - His player profile refers to him as Leo Messi.
 * http://www.marca.com/2010/12/12/futbol/equipos/barcelona/1292192687.html - Article refers to him as Leo Messi.

Any more proof needed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Az88 (talk • contribs) 12:58, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Featured article candidate
This article has been nominated as featured article candidate by Taro-Gabunia. Leave comments at Featured article candidates/Lionel Messi/archive1, and have in mind the Featured article criteria. MBelgrano (talk) 12:27, 20 December 2010 (UTC) (Note: I have moved the template that was here to the top of the page, that's where it must be placed)
 * I should have been contacted before any FAC nomination! :) Spiderone  08:27, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Style of Play
I made a section "Style of play" and help me expand it - Taro-Gabunia (talk) 18:11, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Everything in the section needs to be cited (to stop it being original research) - the cites will probably be to newspaper articles about him, and quotations from notable footballers or managers.  is a starting point, for instance. Trebor (talk) 21:28, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

I can't do that. Can anybody make it? Taro-Gabunia (talk) 06:59, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * If you can't cite your entries then you should not do them. Simple. -- Alexf(talk) 15:09, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Style of play
The article is very good and complete, though it's missing an style of play section. Perhaps people could speak about how he started as a right winger, but afterwards started playing as an Advanced midfielder and as a striker and how his favourite move is to dribble from the right to the centre and shoot. Or that his main strenght is dribbling, but he is also a good long shooter, finishter, passer.. etc —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.255.46.197 (talk) 01:32, 10 September 2010 (Ǎ) yeah he's usually deployed as a striker but falls back to the midfield to get the ball en dribble forward —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.163.68.224 (talk) 13:33, 27 February 2011 (UTC) hes a fucking idiot

Main Picture
How to choose which one is better, File:LeoMessi.JPG or File:Messi Barcelona - Valladolid (cropped).jpg —Taro-Gabunia (talk) 21:10, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The second one. -- Alexf(talk) 21:20, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Definitely the second. Trebor (talk) 18:14, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The second one. It′s from 2009/10 season. —Taro-Gabunia (talk) 18:28, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course the second one. Not only is it more recent, it's just a better photo too. MattM4  >  23:19, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, but better photo wouldn't harm us. Can't anyone upload a new photo? Taro-Gabunia (talk) 06:50, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * While it would be ideal to have a better image, it is not a simple task to find one. Images have to comply with policy in order to be uploaded. Camw (talk) 06:57, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * And we're going to nominate this article for featured and we need Lionel Messi in 2010-11 kit. Taro-Gabunia (talk) 16:57, 2 January 2011 (UTC)


 * The consensus has been reeched that File:Messi Barcelona - Valladolid (cropped).jpg should be used as the main picture –Taro-Gabunia (talk) 00:54, 7 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Please someone try to upload a new photo of Lionel Messi. Taro (talk) 16:00, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I linked to image policy above, I suggest you read it. You cannot upload copyrighted images and use them here. Camw (talk) 13:22, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Best Ever?
I heard some dude say that Messi is the BEST EVER@ I think he is pretty damn good. Should we put best ever in the entry? I was going to do it, but I always get busted by your guys when I pull stuff like that! What do you guys think? I will edit it for free, if you think Messi is the best ever?!?!?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.206.138.33 (talk) 20:11, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No. That would be in violation of WP:NPOV just for starters. -- Alexf(talk) 15:58, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 124.124.203.9, 20 March 2011
edit semi-protected

124.124.203.9 (talk) 08:34, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Salvio  Let's talk about it! 13:12, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from NOddyseus, 9 April 2011
I would like to update Lionel Messi's career statistics, as of tonight.

He has just scored two goals and an assist, and would like to update the statistics to reflect this.

Thanks.

NOddyseus (talk) 19:57, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It looks to be ✔️. Baseball   Watcher  20:41, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

It hasn't been done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.198.105.138 (talk) 21:07, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Messi's assists are wrong
Messi has 19 league assists not 17 as of april 10th 2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cory10leo10 (talk • contribs) 06:30, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Cardinalwik, 12 April 2011
It should be added that: On April 12th 2011, Lionel Messi set a new record for most goals scored in a season by a Barcelona player. Thus, surpassing the previews record of 47 goals in a season, held by Ronaldo Luís Nazário de Lima and Messi himself. Messi managed to scored the record-breaking 48 goals in just 46 games played. Relevant news sources: http://www.goal.com/en-us/match/58691/shakhtar-vs-barcelona/report http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2011/4/12/2106826/messi-48th-goal-barcelona

Cardinalwik (talk) 21:16, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ Woody (talk) 19:48, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

4/12/2011 update request
Tonight in champions league Messi scored his 48th goal of the season breaking the single season Barcelona scoring record set by Ronaldo in the 1996/1997 season.

I would like to see this updated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.113.242.2 (talk) 21:21, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

"Playing Style" section?
Many other articles about footballers have sections on playing styles. I am not so familiar with Messi, though I do enjoy these segments in other articles. Would it be in order to have one here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.93.179.157 (talk) 23:10, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Itsupforgrabsnow, 27 April 2011
On 26 April Messi scored both goals in a 0-2 win over arch-rivals Real Madrid in the Champions League semi-final first leg. The second goal was a brilliant solo weaving in and out of the Madrid defenders and finishing in the 87th minute.

Itsupforgrabsnow (talk) 20:46, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a sports magazine. -- Alexf(talk) 10:12, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Paternal family
Hi, I'm italian, paternal family of Messi originates from the italian city of Recanati, not from Ancona. Ciao. --79.137.23.139 (talk) 00:20, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you provide sources? -- Alexf(talk) 10:10, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Messi's Height
Messi's height in meters does not align with his height in inches. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.5.84.113 (talk) 17:32, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure is. It is calculated by WP's convert function. -- Alexf(talk) 20:01, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

choice of word: "brace"
What is with the strange and repeated use of "brace". It is not typical football parlance, and is very distracting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.208.196.114 (talk) 09:36, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know, I live in England and it's pretty common to use brace to mean two goals scored. We even have a page here, Brace (sports), which redirects to the number 2. doom gaze   (talk)  19:34, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

@@ Career statistics @@
Hi Guys, can anyone put Messi age every year in Career statistics table ?? --Free Guy (talk) 11:43, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

2010 world cup
How its posible that messi had such a bad performance at The South Africa World Cup and he does not have even one bad critic while Ronaldo and Rooney have all the chest on their shoulders ,if you want wikipedia to be an imparcial encyclopedia you should change The 2010 world cup information.

190.13.57.135 (talk) 02:57, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

His nickname
Somebody needs to add his nickname "La Pulga" to his page, which means "The Flea" in Spanish

you can see it in use: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messi

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/deportes/Pulga/viste/diablo/elpepudep/20110529elpepudep_3/Tes

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/deportes/Wembley/enamora/Barcelona/elpepudep/20110528elpepudep_19/Tes

infact if you google it you'll see it in hundreds of sources. I can't edit the page as i'm not registered — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.198.185.130 (talk) 12:22, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 68.174.144.106, 29 May 2011
Champions League games played for 2010-11 should be 13 instead of 12, and total games played for 2010-11 should be 55 instead of 54.

68.174.144.106 (talk) 14:54, 29 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done by another user - Happysailor  (Talk) 12:58, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Mistakes in Messi's international statistics
Messi should have 16apps and 11gls for Argentina U20 instead of 7apps and 6gls. 2005 South American Youth Championship statistics have not been added to his Argentina U20 tally.

Also, his statistics playing in the 2008 Summer Olympics should not be included in its own group (Argentina U23 in this case). Olympics football is played under a U23 format but that does not mean that the U23 teams really exist by themselves. Those teams are just the senior ones but only players under 24 years of age (except three of them that can be older) are allowed to participate. Messi's apps, gls and assists during the 2008 Summer Olympics should be added to his Argentina senior team tally. During 2008 Summer Olympics, Messi appeared in 5 matches, scored 2 goals and gave 3 assists (to Acosta against Cote d'Ivoire and to Di Maria against Netherlands and Nigeria). Messi statistics for Argentina senior team for 2008 should be 13apps, 4gls and 4 assists making a total of 60apps, 18gls and 14 assists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.147.133.202 (talk) 19:49, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 122.172.160.53, 1 June 2011
Shouldn't Benfica be Barcelona???..

122.172.160.53 (talk) 15:05, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Someone had vandalised the article and it's already been fixed. Cheers, doom gaze   (talk)  15:09, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

2006 UEFA Champions League
Is there a reference for his medal for the 2006 UEFA Champions League ? According to the UEFA match report, he wasn't in the squad for the final. 128.220.138.101 (talk) 21:30, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Typo
First sentence says "is an sssociation football player". Ziedaniel1 (talk) 04:19, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * (by someone else). -- Alexf(talk) 11:57, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Messi friendly matches and goals, 35 goals in Barcelona B?
How many friendly matches and goals Messi has? Including pre-season friendlies and Messi & Friends matches. Or only, how many Barcelona friendly goals he has. Also, what is the story about "35 goals in 30 matches" in Barcelona B? Kahkonen (talk) 00:32, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Erach.ahmedov, 11 August 2011
Erach.ahmedov (talk) 15:17, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Wikipedia cannot be used as a source for itself; you'll have to supply a third-party source supporting this. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 19:26, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

External links // Official facebook page
How about adding his official facebook page to the external links which is www.facebook.com/leomessi? He started fb in April this year and I think it will help fans find the right page... Would be interesting to add his new YT channel as well which is www.youtube.com/leomessi ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.132.198.218 (talk) 10:43, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Facebook links should be avoided per WP:ELNO. Camw (talk) 11:06, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * What utter rubbish. Read your own link again. Sandman888 (talk) 15:19, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 98.232.15.46, 22 August 2011
would some High Lord of Wikipedia please insert ", Argentina" after "Rosario" in the first sentence? i would do it myself, but i am not Special enough.

98.232.15.46 (talk) 14:47, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅. There is no such think as a "High Lord". We are all volunteer editors, you and me included. It is not that you are not "Special enough" as you put it, but due to persistent vandalism, the article has been semi-protected, so non-established and anonymous editors cannot change it. It is easy to become an established editor if you want. -- Alexf(talk) 17:04, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Individual honors
he is ballon d'or 2011 and 2010 winner at the section honors is just fifa world player of the year 2009. he also won this price 2010 and 2011 (as fifa ballon d'or) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.165.233.188 (talk) 15:40, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Messi is the new captain of the Argentinian National Team
Please add this news to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yo-me-io (talk • contribs) 22:45, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Messirulez, 5 September 2011
Just so you know, Messi assisted the only goal (scored by Otamendi) in Argentina's friendly match against Venezuela on the 2nd of September. His total assist tally for Argentina should now be updated to 18, not 17. This was also his 61st cap, so his caps should be changed from 60 to 61. Thanks.

This is the source that states that he assisted the goal from a corner kick.

http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/2292/editorials/2011/09/04/2649220/argentina-vs-venezuela-timeline-of-what-lionel-messi-did-in

Messirulez (talk) 22:28, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 12:08, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Barcelona B statistics
Puyol, Xavi and Bojan have Barcelona B matches in statistics table. Is this common practise and why not add these stats to this article too? Kahkonen (talk) 18:39, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Position
Messi has been tagged as a Striker, when his versatility, speed, movement and even his playstyle comparisson to Maradona dictates that he is not a "number 9" Striker like Didier Drogba, for example. Besides scoring a lot of goals, he is also one of Barcelona's top assist makers.

He's not a 100% Winger like Arjen Robben, but neither is a 100% Second Striker like Alessandro Del Piero. So to make more sense and have more balance,"Forward/Winger" is a better assessment of what he plays in real life.

Messi Líbero de ataque — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aloncho11 (talk • contribs) 03:09, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * What about "False 9"? Kahkonen (talk) 15:09, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

I think the description of "false 9" is accurate, but in Modern day Football is too colloquial, Robin van Persie could easily fit into that position, but nobody calls him a "False 9". I suggested Forward since it's what Wayne Rooney is positioned at in Wikipedia. Aloncho11 (talk) 21:24, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Club carrer statistics
You could include the 2003-2004 season to, he played 8 matches for Barcelona C in Tercera División scoring 5 goals and he also played 5 matches without scoring any goals for Barcelona B in Segunda División B. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.60.10.59 (talk) 13:26, 22 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Is there sources for these stats? "He scored 35 goals in 30 on their junior squad last year," says someone here, 10/19/2004. Kahkonen (talk) 21:41, 22 September 2011 (UTC)


 * The 35 goals in 30 matches is probably refering to his cadete A (schoolboys level 14-15 years old) season 2002-2003 where he played 30 matches scoring 37 goals, in this team was also present Cesc Fabregas and Gerard Piqué. The 2003-2004 season he started in junior B squad scoring 1 goal, then he was promoted to the junior A squad where he spent most of the season scoring 21 goals, during the winter/spring he was promoted to Barcelona C playing 8 matches scoring 5 goals and at the end of the season he was again promoted to Barcelona B playing 5 matches. For most of this season he was actually training with the A squad but was not considerer physically strong enough to debute in any competitive match with the A squad.


 * Including the friendly he played for the A squad against FC Porto he is the only player in the history of FC Barcelona to play for 5 different teams in a single season. I'll see if I can dig up a source. In the meanwhile a short historic recap of his first years in the club aired on the clubs own TV channel (Barcelona TV) tell the story of his ascend through the ranks during this season, unfortunately it is only available in catalan. It can  be found on youtube, the actual mini documentary is called Messi ADN blaugrana and was aired on Barcelona TV 13/12/2009.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.60.11.55 (talk) 22:59, 24 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Here is a source for his Barcelona B debut against Mataró 06/03 2004. http://hemeroteca.elmundodeportivo.es/preview/2005/08/26/pagina-13/765467/pdf.html?search=Messi, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.60.11.55 (talk) 23:33, 24 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Here is a source for his Barcelona C debut against Europa 29/11 2003 http://hemeroteca.elmundodeportivo.es/preview/2003/11/29/pagina-46/563828/pdf.html?search=Messi,


 * Here is the source for his stats for the season 2003-2004, it is from the monday edition of Mundo Deportivo 12 july 2004. It states that he played 14 matches and scored 21 goals for the Junior A team, 8 matches and scored 5 goals for Barcelona C and 5 games 0 goal for Barcelona B. His junior B stint was only one match scoring one goal before being promoted to junior A http://hemeroteca.elmundodeportivo.es/preview/2004/03/08/pagina-12/766444/pdf.html?search=Messi

Barcelona B Stats
The current statistics are wrong and need to be fixed.

he never even played 22 games with the b team.

fix his current numbers or provide the source for the information — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.74.242 (talk) 22:44, 24 September 2011 (UTC)


 * As he played 9 times and was on bench 13 times (and how many more in Copa?), I think you are right. However, he did play some matches in B team . Maybe 9? (= 22 - 8 - 5) Kahkonen (talk) 23:07, 25 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Well it would be easy to do with original research, just count the number of times his name appear in the matchreport. All you need is the dates for the matchdays for the B-squad and then you can find the matchreport in Mundo Deportivo the following day. I have yet to see anyone publish Messis complete B-squad stats so good luck on finding that. And also I would be very carefull with ESPN, I've come across many inconsistencies for other players in their statistics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.60.11.55 (talk) 23:50, 25 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Easy job, if there were dates. Maybe there was season calendar in MD but I couldn't find it. Same with ESPN. Kahkonen (talk) 00:02, 26 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Here are all the 38 match dates if anyone is up to it, I checked the first match of the season and Messi played so there are just 37 to go. 28/08/04 05/09/04 (1) 12/09/04 18/09/04 (1) 25/09/04 02/10/04 10/10/04 17/10/04 24/10/04 31/10/04 (1) 07/11/04 14/11/04 21/11/04 28/11/04 (1) 05/12/04 12/12/04 19/12/04 (1) 08/01/05 15/01/05 23/01/05 30/01/05 05/02/05 12/02/05 19/02/05 27/02/05 06/03/05 13/03/05 20/03/05 24/03/05 03/04/05 09/04/05 17/04/05 23/04/05 (1) 01/05/05 07/05/05 15/05/05 21/05/05 29/05/05 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.59.219.161 (talk) 21:21, 26 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, let's add links to matchreports and bold the date if Messi played. For goals, add them in brackets. Kahkonen (talk) 21:45, 26 September 2011 (UTC)


 * So, 17 games, 6 goals. Btw, 5 + 17 = 22, that's why the number 22. Kahkonen (talk) 23:46, 26 September 2011 (UTC)