Talk:Lionel Messi/Archive 8

out of date info
Most goals scored in a European Cup season: 14 goals (shared with José Altafini)

cristiano ronaldo reached 14 goals this season

Most international goals in a year (club and national team): 25 goals (shared with Vivian Woodward)

cristiano ronaldo also made 25 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.222.78.157 (talk) 09:49, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2014
I would like to change his religion

37.131.64.141 (talk) 06:51, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Will not be done without reliable sources. We won't allow the article to be vandalized. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 07:03, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2014
Messis best friensd is ronaldo

JackManson (talk) 06:51, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

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Infobox
Consensus needs to be reached on whether to use Infobox person and embed Infobox football biography or just use Infobox football biography outright. The "Personal life" section of the article had Infobox person in it, so I removed it and merge it with the infobox in the lead and now the personal infobox is gone completely. I returned it because I felt if the personal infobox was let to stay in the "Personal life" section before then there's no reason to remove it from the lead. Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 14:12, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

All footballers don't have this personal info box it's irrelevant because all it mentions is his parents name and his child's name which is clearly sated in early life section and personal life section. No footballer has his personal info box and Messi is no different. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Underbelly 50 (talk • contribs) 22:48, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2014

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FANS OF MESSI

 * BALASHANKAR (BALA MESSI)

Balamessi (talk) 08:56, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

❌: Hmm, not sure what you're talking about. Cheers!--  Allied Rangoon‧talk   03:47, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Golden Ball winner in the 2014 FIFA World Cup
From the article:

"On the 13th July, Argentina were defeated 1-0 in the World Cup final by Germany, in extra time. Messi was awarded the Golden Ball, as the tournament's best player, and won more Man of the Match awards than any other player throughout the tournament, winning four. Messi was also the third highest goalscorer of the tournament, with four goals and an assist, along with Neymar, but the Bronze Boot was ultimately awarded to Neymar, as he had played fewer matches than Messi."

Wow, what's with all the damn commas? Can someone edit and remove a few?


 * Dunno, looks like I can't do it. I'm not allowed to change any other people's suggestions. Cheers!--  Allied Rangoon‧talk   03:54, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Religion
A separate section under personal life should cover his religion. He's reported as a devout Catholic. False reports about his conversion to Islam should be there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.144.39.25 (talk) 21:37, 13 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Well seems I need another user's opinion. I'll see to it though and if I believe so, I will add it. Cheers!--  Allied Rangoon‧talk   03:52, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Well I support this, anyway.

I haven't seen any serious online reports falsely saying that he converted to Islam. The closet I could find was some news articles noting that during the World Cup a Sunni militant group reportedly reached out to Lionel Messi about "joining the jihadist call." I don't think there needs to be a separate section about religion. Saying he's a devout Catholic (which the article already says) is enough. Phil Kessel (talk) 00:43, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Where is the evidence that he is a devout catholic? Has he said as much himself?

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2014
Lolz 242 (talk) 01:33, 27 July 2014 (UTC) Lionel Messi has been explained the best player in this generation.
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done:  NQ    talk  07:06, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 August 2014
Changing the pronunciation of name to a clearer one:

Steksnet (talk) 21:39, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
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Comparisons to Cristiano Ronaldo?
I believe there should be a section about the comparison between Lionel Messi and Cristainao Ronaldo since there is on Ronaldo's page and it seems biased to leave two great players not matched.

Quasimodo123 (talk) 08:33, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

If you want to suggest a change, please provide your suggested text in the form "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ". Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 18:20, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
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ADD messi assist statistics
ADD messi assist statistics !!!

He is now one of the best player to do assist! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harryho1007 (talk • contribs) 02:22, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * What source are you using as the definition of an assist? Different organisations use different definitions, and there is no official definition provided by FIFA, so how are we supposed to know which total is correct? – PeeJay 07:38, 22 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I found that liga bbva.com and espn is more accurate on counting assist. liga bbva.com is the official website of la liga! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harryho1007 (talk • contribs) 13:00, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * That doesn't answer my point about there being no official definition of an assist. La Liga might define an assist one way, but what about the Premier League or Serie A? Players who move from one league to another might find that an assist in one league doesn't count as one in another. I only say this because if we do it for Messi, others will want to do it for other players, and it's just not worth the hassle. – PeeJay 06:58, 23 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh! I just see Cesc Fabregas has both goals and assists statistics in wiki and so hope more players can have the statistics on assist! But I don't know how the admin counts cesc's assist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harryho1007 (talk • contribs) 03:05, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Add Messi's Records Detail
Messi Records in Europe

Most European Golden Shoe awards: 3 (shared with Cristiano Ronaldo) based on en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Golden_Shoe#Multiple_winners

Messi Records in World

Most international goals in a year (club and national team): 25 goals (shared with Cristiano Ronaldo and Vivian Woodward) based on Ronaldo scoring 15 goals in Champions League and 10 goals for Portugal National Football Team in 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamafandi (talk • contribs) 03:10, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 October 2014
The article states that Lionel Messi made his debut in Barcelona first team on 16 October 2003. I quote: "he debuted for the FC Barcelona C team (Tercera División) on 29 November 2003 and for FC Barcelona B (Segunda División B) on 6 March 2004. He played for both teams during the season (10 matches, five goals and five matches, zero goals, respectively).[25][26][27] Even before these two debuts, Messi made his official debut for the first-team on 16 November 2003 aged 16 years and 145 days, in a friendly match against Porto" It is inconsistent with the previous sentence that states that he made his debut for the second team (Barcelona B) on 6 March 2004. His official debut for the first-team was on 16 October 2004, aged 17 years and 145 days.

The source is the FB Barcelona official page: http://www.fcbarcelona.com/football/first-team/detail/article/messi-made-his-debut-for-the-first-team-nine-years-ago-today

Thank you.

103.21.172.205 (talk) 03:42, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Stickee (talk) 06:53, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Asperger?
I'm seeing a discussion on Asperger syndrome and autism on TV right now, and the host mentioned that Leo has Asperger. I was confused because I'd never heard anything about that before. So, can anyone verify that and, if it's judged relevant, add it to the article? 177.105.197.167 (talk) 00:48, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Pic and info
Add more pics and info Ztjr (talk) 02:58, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Dead links
"2010 FIFA World Cup top-scorers in preliminaies". FIFA (fifa.com). Retrieved 1 July 2013." and "preliminaies" is missing "r"66.74.176.59 (talk) 23:58, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

messi zlrn
197.33.185.119 (talk) 17:34, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

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"as you have not requested a change." if this is part of a template it should be changed to sound less spiteful. A more neutral text would be "unable to execute due to insufficient information." Those with the ability to make locked article changes are not robots.66.74.176.59 (talk) 00:09, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 December 2014
122.177.188.80 (talk) 08:12, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2015
Please, add these quotes (sources below):

2010-11 season 'When I see Messi playing, I think he should win Ballon d’or every year.' - Paolo Maldini November 2010 http://www.goal.com/de/news/954/europa/2010/11/23/2227942/paolo-maldini-messi-muss-jedes-jahr-den-ballon-dor-gewinnen

2011-12 season 'Critics have always questioned whether players like Pele from the 50s could play today. The answer to that is great players would play in any generation. Lionel Messi could play in the 1950s and the present day, as could Di Stefano, Pele, Maradona, Cruyff because they are all great players. Lionel Messi without question fits into that category.' - Sir Alex Ferguson January 9, 2012 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/la-liga/9003206/Barcelona-forward-Lionel-Messi-wins-third-successive-Fifa-Ballon-dOr-award-to-equal-Michel-Platini.html

2013-14 season 'In all seriousness, Messi produces more pieces of exceptional skill in a single game than I managed in an entire career.' - Gary Lineker March 12, 2014 http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1991262-gary-lineker-is-in-awe-of-ridiculous-lionel-messi-on-twitter

2014 World Cup 'If Messi was not the best player in the World Cup, Argentina would have not got out of the group stage' - César Luis Menotti December 2, 2014 http://www.elgrafico.com.ar/2014/12/02/C-5845-menotti-y-una-entrevista-a-fondo-guardiola-messi-pele-agero-simeone-la-seleccion-del-78.php

'Even though he wasn’t as decisive in the latter stages of the competition, without his great efforts defensively and the balance he gave to the team in the quarter-finals and the semi-finals, Argentina wouldn’t have made it to the final. No doubt.' - Diego Simeone July 30, 2014 http://futbol.as.com/futbol/2014/07/30/mundial/1406724383_883065.html

Comparisons to Cristiano Ronaldo 'He gets kicked, he gets hacked, he gets up. He never dives, he doesn’t cheat. He’s just a brilliant example for footballers everywhere' - Gary Lineker June 5, 2014 http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2014/06/05/4862985/lineker-messi-better-than-ronaldo

Thank you! greetings Jakub

JakubGoraczniak (talk) 17:22, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm happy to let other editors chime in, but I'm always hesitant to put too many praising quotes in an article. When you put a microphone in front of football personalities and ask about players, chances are, you're going to get gushing praise that are often hyperbolic, with little regard for perspective. Too many of these quotes end up making articles look like hagiographies rather than encyclopedic articles, and I think we already have enough people saying how brilliant Messi is. Your mileage may vary. Mosmof (talk) 17:34, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

In '2013-14 season', '2014 World Cup' and 'Comparisons to Cristiano Ronaldo' sections there are no quotes, please add them. These are ones fron very respectable figures. If there are negative words from Maradona, so there should be also words of praise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JakubGoraczniak (talk • contribs) 17:52, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Personally I would be against adding these quotes per WP:QUOTEFARM, I would rather propose deleting most of them we already have in the article. With 200k size and 20+ images it is fairly long.  Sam Sing! 22:08, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Messi Height
Is someone missing some brain cells? The most recent person to edit his height, has just stupidly not referenced the actual height referenced in the source! His Barcelona.com profile clearly sates 170 yet someone cut half an inch off it. Bizzare. Someone change this, surely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.5.113 (talk) 02:50, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

ONCE AGAIN his height has been changed and now the source has been changed which gives an incorrect height. FIFA.com! Haha, what a joke, it just makes heights up, it really is quite strange how inaccurate it is. They have Gerrard at 6'1" for example and Rooney as 5'10". It hasn't got a clue. I'm no wiki genius, but I'm willing to bet that in the football editorial world, you guys look FIRST at a club website profile. Well Messi's Bara profile clearly states 170cm. Needs changed. 60.240.5.113 (talk) 11:37, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Uhh, HELLO? Anyone home? 60.240.5.113 (talk) 13:15, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Why are you quibbling over the matter of one centimetre? The current height is adequately sourced to the FIFA website, that's why no one is rushing to answer your trivial concern. – PeeJay 15:03, 5 January 2015 (UTC)


 * But it is WRONG! Isn't Wikipedia supposed to be accurate no matter how trivial? What a great editor you must be if that's your attitude. Every other single source out there has Messi at 170cm, simple. FIFA.com is a complete load of crap; so NO, it is not "adequately sourced" like you've suggested. Plus, like I said, surely you would look first at a club profile, like so many other players. 60.240.5.113 (talk) 13:02, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * What exactly is inadequate about FIFA.com? They give Messi's height as a centimetre different from what you think it should be, so you call it a load of crap? I'm afraid your concerns are equally loaded with crap. – PeeJay 14:46, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

If it isn't accurate, then it is a load of crap, it doesn't matter how small the difference is. If I was to say pi = 3.140, would you not consider that to be accurate just because it is so close to 3.141? Of course you wouldn't. I hope not anyway. You said "They give Messi's height as a centimetre different from what you think it should be", when what you should have said is "They give Messi's height as a centimetre different from what his club STATES THAT IT IS." This is not about what I think, it's about what the majority of other sources say including his club. What's funny is, you know I'm right and you COULD just change it, but you're just not wanting to give in. Ridiculous.60.240.5.113 (talk) 12:24, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Your point about pi is irrelevant as pi has a fixed value, while human height can vary depending on conditions when they are measured. When Messi was registered in the World Cup squad, a height was provided to FIFA by the Argentine Football Association, who will have measured him during various physical exams. Why do FC Barcelona's measurements supersede the AFA's? We have two perfectly valid sources for his height; they give different values, sure, but they're both valid. Chill your beans. – PeeJay 14:23, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

- (60.240.5.113 (talk), You need to chill! 169 cm is very accurate. FIFA uses medical and passport information. Besides ESPN, La Liga, UEFA, and others have him at 169 cm.

– GoldenBoy25 (talk) 08:12, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * http://www.lfp.es/en/player/liga-bbva/messi?action=redirect_site&continue= - La Liga 169 cm
 * http://www.espnfc.com/player/45843/lionel-messi - ESPN 169 cm
 * http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2015/clubs/player=95803/ - UEFA 169 cm
 * http://us.soccerway.com/players/lionel-andres-messi/119/ - soccerway 169 cm
 * http://www.goal.com/en-us/people/argentina/8012/lionel-messi - Goal 169 cm
 * http://www.futhead.com/15/players/86/lionel-messi/ - futhead 169 cm
 * http://www.national-football-teams.com/player/12066/Lionel_Messi.html - 169 cm

Semi-protected edit request on 24 January 2015
This sentence needs to be better structured, 'Often ranked as the best player in the world and rated by some in the sport as the greatest of all time,[3][4][5][6][7][8] alongside rival Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi is the first football player in history to win four FIFA/Ballons d'Or, all of which he won consecutively..' by saying 'alongside Cristiano Ronaldo' and then mentioning winning 4 Ballons d' Or it makes it look like Ronaldo has also won 4, which he hasn't. Also, as it starts with 'rated by some as the greatest of all time' it then mentions 'alongside Cristiano Ronaldo', however Ronaldo is only ever compared to Messi and it is never suggested that he is possibly the greatest of all time, so this sentence in doubly inaccurate. I suggest that the 'alongside Cristiano Ronaldo' part be removed in order for the sentence to be accurate.

Murunpp (talk) 11:40, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

While I am not going to accept your deny your request (I'll let someone else do that), I do agree with you partly. The first part of the sentence should be rephrased as Ronaldo has not won 4 Balon d' Ors but the sentence makes it look like he has. However, if you take a look at Cristiano Ronaldo's Wikipedia page, there are countless sources of people in the sport (coaches, players,etc.) who mention Ronaldo as the'Greatest ever', especially after his latest Balon d' Or win (there are more articles which are not sourced too). So your statement that "Ronaldo is only ever compared to Messi and it is never suggested that he is possibly the greatest of all time, so this sentence in doubly inaccurate" is wholly inaccurate in itself and seems to represent bias on your part. Furthermore, the phrase 'alongside Cristiano Ronaldo' has been included to reflect Ronaldo's page, which mentions the same. Imperial HRH2 (talk) 13:02, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  19:14, 24 January 2015 (UTC)