Talk:List of MUDs

Aardwolf Mud
Hello - Was trying to add Aardwolf Mud to the list but not sure how to link it back. Is there a sandbox with the helps I would need ? 75.49.237.118 (talk) 02:43, 22 July 2010 (UTC)Justme from Aardwolf


 * Aardwolf isn't appropriate to add to this list until it has an article again. (It was previously deleted; versions of the old article can be found at User:Aardlasher/Aardwolf (game) and User:Wikianon/new/Aardwolf (game).)  You can find an introduction to starting an article at WP:YFA, and WP:SANDBOX is the general sandbox. &mdash;chaos5023 (talk) 03:26, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Also, I'd suggest that the article should be named Aardwolf (online game) or Aardwolf (MUD). &mdash;chaos5023 (talk) 03:31, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


 * It appears that the Aardwolf article keeps getting deleted on notability grounds, because of lack of reliable sources other than an Engadget article. I don't think this is likely to change as MUD coverage is low anyway. Is there really no option to include it in the list without an article?Rody1990 (talk) 00:53, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Minecraft
Note: Minecraft, is technically a MUD. 75.173.73.176 (talk) 21:51, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * What makes you say that? —chaos5023 (talk) 19:03, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Sojourn
I've added the names of the other two MUD developers to the table. John Bashaw also worked on Toril as well, but didn't stay very long. He got out of MUDs altogther. Roan Art (talk) 11:37, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. Can I interest you in adding to Sojourn (online game) to that effect as well? —chaos5023 (talk) 14:38, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure. Roan Art (talk) 17:31, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Scepter
What do you mean by "SoG not appropriate to this article b/c it's "server software" not an individual MUD"? It most certainly was a running mud. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scepter_of_Goth — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlambert (talk • contribs) 07:13, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * See Talk:MUD. The trouble is that the BBS MUDs are this weird case where we speak of them as being "a MUD", but they aren't really; "a MUD" is an individual persistent world.  The BBS MUDs are server software, packages used to implement a particular persistent world.  Or so it seems; I'm not married to this position, it's just the best analysis I have on hand.  This means that the BBS MUDs belong in a prospective article Chronology of MUD server software, which would provide an overview of MUD codebases, rather than in this article. —chaos5023 (talk) 07:42, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It would seem from the article that "Milieu" itself would qualify. I understand why you you wouldn't include BBS SoG's since none of the franchise versions were notable (that I know of), unlike the franchise versions of MUD. Jlambert (talk) 07:57, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

MUD1 closing date?
MUD1 was deleted from the Essex computers in 1987, and had its name change to a different one, which is also on this list. wouldn't that qualify as a closing time? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GreyOrange (talk • contribs) 19:35, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No; the way the chronology is constructed, the fact that MUD1 was reopened as itself and remains available to the present prevents it from having a true "closing date". Basically, communicating that it's currently open trumps communicating that it once closed for a period of time (which is okay because the actual article can communicate details like that). —chaos5023 (talk) 15:29, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Kingdom of Drakkar
I'm surprised not to see anything about Kingdom of Drakkar on here. I don't have the details, or I would add it. Adding this comment to hopefully jog someone's memory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.159.192.10 (talk) 18:55, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * There isn't anything about it because Kingdom of Drakkar doesn't exist, having been deleted in 2006. (Nothing is listed in this article unless Wikipedia covers it elsewhere.)  I've also never previously heard of it and have nothing on it in my stack of MUD books. —chaos5023 (talk) 20:26, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Major MUD
Related to the revert of "Major MUD" addition. I disagree that Major MUD was not a MUD. Perhaps the software that was initally designed by WCC was intended to serve as a platform for delivering multiple MUDs, but in reality, it served only as a platform for the MUD that itself became known as "Major MUD", which consisted of an initial MUD, and 9 additional MODs that were updates to the original MUD. I played this MUD for years, and it was never referred to as anything but "Major MUD", although WCC gave various titles to the MUD modules. I Like Cheeseburgers (talk) 15:21, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The rationale for the revert stated that the list is of notable MUD servers, not software platforms, and that MajorMUD is the latter. From reading the MajorMUD article, it seems to me that this software was deployed to multiple BBSs, each of which would have been considered an independent server. Do you have some documentation for the server you played, and is it notable in its own right? As it stands now, it seems that the software itself is notable enough, but for inclusion in this list, we would have to identify one or more notable independent servers which ran the software. Elizium23 (talk) 20:20, 1 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Along with the other BBS MUDs, MajorMUD would be appropriate to Chronology of MUD server software (which is listed at WikiProject Video games/MUD as an article desirable to create but not I nor anyone else has gotten to), not this article. —chaos5023 (talk) 23:04, 1 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I find it ridiculous that Major MUD doesn't make the list when I'm willing to bet that the majority of MUDs listed can't compare to it in size, depth, or complexity. Also Runescape is most definitely not a MUD. I suspect the contributors writing this wiki page are heavily biased and the "but it's not it's own server" thing is a poor excuse to rule out a wide variety of MUDs that existed and were popular during the days of dial-up BBS.

Lensmoor
Hello everyone. I just happened to google myself to this page. I'm a longtime mud player who used to play quite extensively back in the 90's and early 2000s, including some MUDs on this list, muds on AOL, and others. That said, I'm absolutely shocked Lensmoor isn't on this list. I played it as a kid, then when I was in college I had many friends who completely independently ended up playing it. I see there is no wikipedia page for Lensmoor, though it still exists and has been around for decades. Is there a reason for this? It seems very suspect to me, almost like having a "Search engine" page that doesn't mention Ask Jeeves. This reeks of overzealous deletions or bias with the editors... and sure enough I see there used to be a page but it was deleted multiple times. Yet we have MUDs on this list that haven't been active since the 1980's, before I was born. How can this be? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artifexr (talk • contribs) 14:26, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 8 January 2016

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The result of the move request was: Moved per small discussion below, and appears to be the correct move based on the content of the current page. Tiggerjay (talk) 16:20, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Chronology of MUDs → List of MUDs – This is a list of MUDs, not about the chronological development of the genre in general. Soetermans. T / C 16:26, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. ~ Mable ( chat ) 11:01, 9 January 2016 (UTC)


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The addition of 3 muds to the list
I'd like to discuss the addition of 3 muds to the list. The original God Wars (US and Europe being included as 1 mud), Midpoint Void, and Duris: Land of Bloodlust. Both God Wars and Midpoint Void were very influential in the mudding community as they were both the origins of 2 very popular mud codes, and Duris: Land of Bloodlust was part of the other mud that opened when Sojourn's staff decided to go their separate ways. Anyone object? --JustAnotherNerdWithWords (talk) 02:41, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
 * If they have articles, they should be on the list. (This implies that someone can come up with sources that meet WP:GNG, or they won't have articles for long.)  If they don't have articles, they shouldn't be on the list, and if placed on the list they will be removed. —chaos5023 (talk) 07:31, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info Chaos, I'm still new to doing the whole Wiki editing thing and am in the middle of putting together the sources, their own wiki pages etc before I do make any changes to this page. Thank you for the info.  You seem to be quite the MUD historian yourself btw.  Would it be a problem if I ask you to review some of my sources etc before I do make edits to this page?  Trying to familiarize myself with the process etc and prefer to work in a community environment.  --JustAnotherNerdWithWords (talk) 17:13, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem. —chaos5023 (talk) 07:48, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Isn't RuneScape free?
RuneScape is marked as Subscription here, while the main article states the game is free with optional subscriptions. DoomMaster (talk) 10:30, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * "Optional subscription" is a type of subscription model. Subscription doesn't imply no free tier.  From the page legend: "Subscription" means that the MUD charges a periodic subscription fee for access or for a set level of in-game benefits, such as a "full" or "non-trial" account. —chaos5023 (talk) 14:23, 1 June 2016 (UTC)