Talk:List of Mayday episodes/Archive 4

Cause of Disaster correction?
I think "Cause of disaster" all over the place should be changed to "Cause of incident" in the cases there were no disaster, for instance episodes "Flying on empty" and "Turning point". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.227.112.139 (talk) 08:14, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Or just "cause" might work... Paris1127 (talk) 08:25, 11 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Get more people into this conversation and I agree with Paris Qantasplanes (talk) 08:39, 11 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I also agree. Great idea.Airlinesguy (talk) 02:23, 12 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Cause itself wouldnt be that great a word to use to deribe it, maybe incident invesigated?-- Andrewcrawford  ( talk  -  contrib ) 22:55, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * How about just incident? --9Doors (talk) 23:44, 23 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Why not just "Cause"? It's perfect. I withdraw my proposal "Cause of incident". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.227.112.139 (talk) 19:59, 1 March 2012 (UTC)


 * cause doesnt describe things where it was a accident but terrorist attack type of thing-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 20:42, 1 March 2012 (UTC)


 * You kind of have a point, but I still think Cause work well in the 4 cases of bombs. Anyway, I believe all that have written here agree that "Cause" would be better than "Cause of disaster". Do you agree? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.227.112.139 (talk) 18:19, 2 March 2012 (UTC)


 * i agree cause of disater is wrong but cause isnt right either, i think what we need is tog et a lsit of potential ways to describe it, and then for all editors possible to say what they think is best and get a consesus jsut now ther eno consesus on the best way forward so no point making a change, but i do agree cause of disaster is wrong-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 11:28, 4 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Paris, I will edit the matter. Johngabriel.ibay (talk) 14:30, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Sioux City episode?
http://ca.linkedin.com/in/sinyicreative and http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2239777/

What do you guys think? Qantasplanes (talk) 22:14, 17 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Not reliable sources, so no. I did see you put it up and took it down.-


 * BtW the TACA episode has sources contradicting one another. Just like with the Continental Express crash. So I might take that one down till that's cleared up.- William 22:24, 17 February 2012 (UTC)


 * It's probably just the Seconds From Disaster episode about the Sioux City crash. Paris1127 (talk) 23:09, 17 February 2012 (UTC)


 * It says Mayday 11, it has a chance. But once it was listed as an episode which was a mistake by Cineflix Productions a few years back. Qantasplanes (talk) 05:03, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * SFD did its own Uberlingen Mid-Air Collision for season 4, so it's entirely possible that Mayday will produce a new Sioux City episode. But let's wait and see; I don't consider LinkedIn reliable, and IMDb is questionable. I'm not sure, but I feel like I read somewhere that it's considered unreliable for Wikipedia... Paris1127 (talk) 06:58, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I tottaly agree.


 * Btw IMDB is user contributed.... Qantasplanes (talk) 07:01, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Are we sure 'I am the problem' episode has even aired? Normally it would be posted to Youtube by now but hasn't.- William 16:44, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I've been wondering this myself. IMDb says the episode exists (it even provides a cast list) but Youtube has nothing so far... Paris1127 (talk) 19:16, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Just took down TACA and PSA 1771. The first has contradictory sources as to its airing and the latter appears not to have aired as yet. Discovery Canada website has been putting up episodes on its website one week after they air on TV. I'm the Problem is nowhere to be found.


 * I think we need to go by a pretty simple rule- When Cineflix or Discovery announces an episode and when it's airing, it goes up. We're not TV Guide.


 * BTW the main page doesn't have page protection again so we'll have to see if the IP vandals will return. If they do, I'll summon an administrator again.- William 02:39, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * That would be the best route. I've seen no proof that "I'm the Problem" has aired, so for now it should be left off. Sorry Qantasplanes...Paris1127 (talk) 08:50, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

IMDB s not realiible under wikiupedia guidelines however it can be used as general source and verication process but can not be used to be the soruce of episode information being added-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 22:53, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

I did some research and found out that on the watch discovery website (where all the youtubers get the eps) has a glitch where things past 16 Feb are not posted. And did you see the Mayday page the other day? It clearly listed that PSA 1171 aired.

Qantasplanes (talk) 08:40, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


 * http://tvonline.bell.ca/tvonline/servlet/CommandServlet?command=flow&processid=167&simpleSearchKeyWord=mayday&requestedPage=0&requestedSortMethod=3&requestedSearchMethod=0&filterProgramMethod=0&filterProgramType=0&simpleSearchSelectedResultTitle=HD-Mayday&simpleSearchSelectedResultEpisodeTitle=Episode %2313&occurences=0&prevRequestedPageNum=0&prevRequestedSortMethod=3&INT=internalSearch Episode 13 Qantasplanes (talk) 09:06, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Discovery Canada website doesn't have the video. Why can't you just be patient instead of repeatedly putting unconfirmed things into the article. Me and other editors have to take it down repeatedly and I'm not talking about once or twice. More like a dozen instances.

PSA and TACA are coming down. You haven't proven to two editors the shows have aired. Discovery Canada which is where the videos come from has zero and the bell link is a blank page. BTW Bell said TACA was airing last Friday but it didn't. Its not a reliable source.- William 10:47, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm gonna say that it looks like Season 12 is finished... Or at least going on another long, unexplained hiatus (like it did earlier in the season between Split Decision and Breakup Over Texas) until it airs the next episode, which may or may not be the TACA one (PSA 1771 does not seem like the type of case Mayday would cover, but I could be wrong)...Paris1127 (talk) 16:46, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

"I'm the Problem" HAS aired. The TACA episode hasn't. The TACA episode was NEVER on the "Bell TV Schedule" William. The link used for the citation for that episode was for TLC or something, not Bell. I'm guessing, like Paris said, that there's another unexplained hiatus between episodes (which seems pretty common this season), although this may hint that something will air soon but there are obviously no details.

http://tvonline.bell.ca/tvonline/servlet/CommandServlet?command=flow&processid=167&simpleSearchKeyWord=mayday&requestedPage=0&requestedSortMethod=3&requestedSearchMethod=0&filterProgramMethod=0&filterProgramType=0&simpleSearchSelectedResultTitle=Mayday&simpleSearchSelectedResultEpisodeTitle=Episode%20%2313&occurences=0&prevRequestedPageNum=0&prevRequestedSortMethod=3&INT=internalSearch

I'll post a quick video of the intro to "I'm the Problem" to prove it.

174.5.11.131 (talk) 19:06, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af100/52TulaSKS/Other%20Pics/DSC06111.jpg <-PIC 174.5.11.131 (talk) 19:10, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

http://s997.photobucket.com/albums/af100/52TulaSKS/Other%20Pics/?action=view&current=MOV06112.mp4 <VIDEO CLIP 174.5.11.131 (talk) 19:18, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

I'd also like to add, contrary to what William said the "Bell TV Schedule" has proven to be right 100% of the time, and like Paris1127 was thinking, the PSA 1771 episode does seem to deviate from the norm of what Mayday usually airs. Indeed my mother and a few of my friends were shocked not only because of the sad and horrible content of the episode, but because Mayday tends to focus on actual "accidents" and not normally deliberate incidents like this (although Air France Flight 8969, DHL OO-DLL attempted shootdown, etc are Mayday episodes). 174.5.11.131 (talk) 19:51, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, according to that video you posted either the episode did in fact air or you're an expert at video editing. Assuming good faith, I'll say the former. I'm glad I wasn't the only person to think that PSA 1771 isn't typical Mayday fare...Paris1127 (talk) 22:11, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


 * OK, if we are going to doubt even that video, we could even say the Discovery Channel Canada website is a very well-edited fake webpage; so then any webpage would be unreliable. That video proofs that PSA 1771 did in fact air, just that for some reason it hasn’t been posted on the Discovery Channel Canada video player. As for the reliability of TVBellOnline, well, I have to disagree with William, because that website has always said the truth. In fact, PSA 1771 was scheduled for February 10th on both TVBell and the Discovery Channel Canada website; and we have seen the video that proofs the fact that it did air.
 * As for TACA 110, it was on the TVBellOnline website, for about 1 week, scheduled for February 17th, like previously written in this article. However, the week after that one, the TVBellOnline schedule for Mayday changed since the “Nowhere to Land” episode had been changed by the “Deadly Reputation” one on that date at 10:00 pm. TVBellOnline has said the truth all along, it’s Discovery Channel the one that changes the schedule way too often. If you pay attention to other websites, such as Zap2it, you will see that the TACA episode was rescheduled for March 9th.
 * http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/mayday/episode-guide/EP00293195
 * But, ok, let’s say Zap2it is unreliable…what about the newspaper note?
 * http://www.elcorreo.ca/story.php?story_id=18599
 * After all, it confirms TACA Flight 110 being an episode of Mayday season 11 on a Canadian newspaper, besides having an image with it. The season is not over, Cineflix Productions has never lied about the number of episodes per season, and season 11 is indicated as “11x13”. The Discovery Channel Canada website cited Flight 1771 as an episode on February 10th; it was on the schedule menu. And, as William said earlier;
 * “Once again third party, not reliable source. CGet a reliable source, Nat Geo, Discovery Channel, CIneflix, then it can go in the article. Otherwise this will remain out till a source is found or the episodes actually air.- William 19:01, 21 December 2011 (UTC)”
 * Discovery Channel Canada is, then, a reliable source (for him); so at least the PSA 1771 should get back into the article. OK, let’s wait a bit more for the confirmation on the TACA one, but we can’t just keep establishing more sources (such as TVBellOnline) as unreliable if it is the Channel itself that keeps changing its schedule and I would say there is definitely enough evidence to put back PSA 1771. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.141.22.24 (talk) 00:07, 22 February 2012 (UTC)


 * For the record, I wasn't doubting the video. And I did see that article about TACA, so I believe that episode exists as well. On a side note, maybe it's time this talk page got archived... Paris1127 (talk) 00:13, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Trust me Paris, if I was good at video editing I wouldn't have taken a video of a TV! ;) But yeah it was kind of a sad episode. 42 people murdered in the most horrible way possible. Sickening. Anyways, back on topic, I agree it should be archived. 174.5.11.131 (talk) 00:53, 22 February 2012 (UTC)


 * No offense but William is such a biased editor. This happened last year when Season 10 was announced. The full episode was even psoted onto youtube. Please don't take this as a personal attack. Thanks Qantasplanes (talk) 05:38, 22 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not biased, I'm keeping the BS off this page. You, and other editors, have repeatedly put up make believe episodes. Have I ever listed an episode that didn't belong? Have I ever agreed to edits being removed and then tried putting them up again some time later? Why don't you answer those questions Qantasplanes?


 * This is a encyclopedia, not a playground or place for wishlists. When persons edit bs into articles it does have the potential for screwups. Read the bottom paragraphs of my page and learn about how someone's wrong edit about Harlan F. Stone ended up in a book written by a Supreme Court Justice. Wikipedia is to inform people people, but what Qantasplanes wants to do is mislead people.


 * BTW Taca is coming down. You have sources that contradict one another. We can't determine which is reliable, so it comes down- William 11:38, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Get a life kid, there are no sources conflicting with each other. ''Where's Deadly Virus, Lost at Sea, and Bass Strait Hijack? '' They are coming up and FOR THE FINAL time I didn't create that. Qantasplanes (talk) 05:12, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Qantasplanes and WilliamJE, both of your arguments have merit. But let's try to avoid an edit war, OK? This is getting ridiculous... Paris1127 (talk) 05:46, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. Stop this argument and let's talk about it. http://tv.msn.com/tv/episode/mayday/nowhere-to-land/ and http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/mayday-nowhere-to-land/EP002931950117 Qantasplanes (talk) 05:49, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Here's what I propose: we air on the side of caution and leave TACA off the list until it can be definitively proven that the episode has aired/will air. "Has aired" would require, for example, the video that 174.5.11.131 posted or the existence of the episode on the Discovery Canada (or another channel's) website; "will air" requires something like a list or statement released by Cineflix or the channel airing the episode to the public (no private correspondence) or a newspaper article like the TACA one; these definitions can be expanded/narrowed. Before making any major content/scheduling edits to the page, consider discussing what changes you would like to make here on the talk page. Minor edits for grammar, spelling should not require permission. Finally, we archive this talk page, it's getting too long. Paris1127 (talk) 06:25, 23 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Archive this Paris, way too long. Qantasplanes (talk) 06:40, 23 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Believe me, if I could, I would. I just don't know how to do that (yes, I looked at the article on how it's done; it's now even less clear to me how it's done). Paris1127 (talk) 06:43, 23 February 2012 (UTC


 * Took a few tries, but it's done... Paris1127 (talk) 02:18, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Just a heads up, Bell's reporting that Nowhere to Land will air March 9th. This begs the question, what the hell is "Episode #13" about (March 2nd)?

http://tvonline.bell.ca/tvonline/servlet/CommandServlet?command=flow&processid=167&simpleSearchKeyWord=mayday&requestedPage=0&requestedSortMethod=3&requestedSearchMethod=0&filterProgramMethod=0&filterProgramType=0&simpleSearchSelectedResultTitle=Mayday&simpleSearchSelectedResultEpisodeTitle=Nowhere%20to%20Land&occurences=0&prevRequestedPageNum=0&prevRequestedSortMethod=3&INT=internalSearch

Also, "I'm The Problem" is on the Discovery Channel Canada site, as well as Deadly Reputation TWICE for some reason. lol

174.5.11.131 (talk) 03:24, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Youtube tralier of "Nowhere to Land"! Qantasplanes (talk) 05:39, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

The Sioux City episode is made by Seconds from Disaster, not Mayday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.49.25 (talk) 09:08, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Issue with Season 11 Episode "Under Pressure"
I have a small suggestion regarding the description of the accident covered by that episode. The description states the plane was carrying "247 Nigerian pilgrims and 14 crewmembers". However, in that crash - besides the flightcrew - there were at least two Nationair employees on board the flight: Mr. Jean-Paul Philippe (mechanic) and Mr. Aldo Tettamanti (ground-operations official). What is not clear is if those two employees were counted as members of the crew or as passengers; since the article about the crash itself states "247 passengers and 14 crewmembers", it does not clarify the issue. I would think it would be more accurate if the description stated the plane "was carrying 247 passengers, most of them Nigerian pilgrims, and 14 crewmembers", or something like that. This, unless someone can confirm whether these two men were included in the passenger numbers or in the crew numbers. What do you guys think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.141.61.52 (talk) 20:30, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Months ago, I edited the matter but reverted to original. Johngabriel.ibay (talk) 07:08, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

S09E03: Cause "Disputed" By Who?
In season 9 episode 3, "Pilot vs Plane", the "cause of disaster" is listed as "disputed", even though the French investigators were very clear in their findings: the cause was pilot error. The only person "disputing" this is Captain Asseline himself and his friends and attorneys. But of *course* he's disputing it, he and his copilot were found guilty of criminal misconduct in this matter. So no, the cause is not "disputed". That is misleading, implying that the experts are in disagreement. But the experts are *not* in disagreement. The only person to disagree is the guilty part, and his arguments have all been thoroughly refuted.

Let's put it this way: If I posted a message in the "talk" page for the article on John F. Kennedy, "disputing" the fact of his death, saying that he's actually alive and well and living in Venezuela, are the keepers of that article going to mark JFK's alleged death as "disputed"? No? Why not? After all, I "disputed" it!

You get the point. One person's "disputing" something doesn't mean that the thing "is disputed". Only if multiple knowledgeable experts "dispute" it is the thing in question actually "disputed".

So if Michel Asseline is the only person disputing this, I move that the "cause" of S09E03 be changed from "disputed" to "pilot error". (I intend to make a similar comment on the Air France 296 page, for same reasons.) LoneWolfiNTj (talk) 10:58, 3 March 2012 (UTC)


 * ive not acutally watched the episode but i have watched a similar one where it is disputed ie the eypgtian one wher ethe old guy who had been giving into trouble for his behaviour took control of the plane and crashed it, but the eypgtians says it was aplane fault. if the pilot is disputing hi fault then yes that is cause to say it is disputed as he was flying the plane and should know what happened and maybe he feels he is being targetted in some way so i suggesting leaving it, because you have basically said in the episode they say the decission is dispute so that isa dispute in the way dispute is seen-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 12:56, 3 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I've seen the episode, and I disagree with LoneWolfiNT. Whether or not Asseline caused the crash or it was the plane, the episode doesn't really definitively answer who is at fault (at least, that's what I recall about the episode, it's been a while), and the episode devotes a lot of time to both the BEA (France's NTSB, TSB, AAIB, etc) explanation and Captain Asseline's. The episode says disputed, I say leave the description of the cause as is. Paris1127 (talk) 01:50, 4 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree with "Paris", great explanation. Qantasplanes (talk) 07:31, 4 March 2012 (UTC)


 * A French court has aleady ruled that Asseline was at fault. It's that simple. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.105.197.52 (talk) 23:51, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


 * The French court may have done so, but as I said before the episode didn't, focusing instead on both on the official and Captain Asseline's explanation. Also, for the future I'd suggest that you be sure to sign your posts with 4 tildes (~). Paris1127 (talk) 03:04, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

S02E06 - Deadly Crossroads
The cause lists "pilot error (Tupolev)", yet it's clear that the pilot made no errors according to his training. Soviet pilots had been trained to obey the ATC above everything. I move that the section be changed to "incorrect training" or similar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.105.197.52 (talk) 23:49, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


 * What? Qantasplanes (talk) 09:34, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Then why don't you contact the investigators 10 years after the fact and convince them to change their findings? 65.39.13.128 (talk) 16:57, 9 March 2012 (UTC)


 * this is the second episode you are disputeing what the program says, you are entitled to dispute inaccuracy in teh article but your program relates to the acutalyl tv show, i suggest if you really think it wrong to contact the show producer and ask if they remake th epeiosde fora future season as oyu believe evidance not available at the time o the original production would counter the original cause of accident, they are aindepent company so they review the evidance that available ot other indepently and will givea cause of the accident based on that and nto just go with other finding alone as you can easily go read ftc report or a judge decision online or in person at locally departments-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 08:48, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Season 12
For those wondering where I got the episodic list (especially William), it can be found here: http://s3.amazonaws.com/cflx-videos/int/assets/281/Mayday_Air_Disaster_12.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=1Q29T0HPEPP4PCRGESR2&Expires=1332393968&Signature=KOaqpzYoimG%2Fhs0xcdWIEtrPXAU%3D

Thanks Qantasplanes (talk) 10:25, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * The list looks legit, and it looks like season 12 will be interesting. May I ask where you got it? Do you have a link to the page that linked to it? It's not that I don't believe you or what the source says, I just want to verify its provenance. I hope you understand and don't mind my asking, QP... Paris1127 (talk) 20:38, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, interesting that they'd have the Lokomotiv Yaroslavl crash on there. 174.5.11.131 (talk) 00:54, 22 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I got it from the Cineflix Rights website. And yes the episodes are very interesing. Qantasplanes (talk) 05:21, 22 March 2012 (UTC)


 * There is more than a slight problem. Your source is a broken link....William 18:27, 22 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Willaim it wasnt broke yesterday it is now but it seems a server problem so should be back up ina day or two-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 18:56, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

http://s3.amazonaws.com/cflx-videos/int/assets/281/Mayday_Air_Disaster_12.pdf there that fixes it-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 18:58, 22 March 2012 (UTC)


 * thanks. Qantasplanes (talk) 06:09, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

OK, there's been some disagreement on when Season 12 will be airing. I think the best course of action to take is to leave the episodes' air dates as "TBA" until such time as a reliable source can be found and cited. Hopefully this will preempt an edit war... Paris1127 (talk) 02:01, 23 June 2012 (UTC)


 * sure... Qantasplanes (talk) 06:32, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

S12E10 "Following Orders"
Some polish newspaper reported this  Qantasplanes (talk) 04:59, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Qantasplanes, where did you get those descriptions which you used to describe each episode? Did you compose them yourself or were they Mayday's? Because I'm curious as to whether the author of this article is citing official Mayday press releases or the Wikipedia page... Paris1127 (talk) 05:34, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Those descriptions were by myself. Qantasplanes (talk) 05:40, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow, the media should not use Wikipedia as a source... They know nothing about how the accident(s) is (are) actually going to be depicted, so they used the Wikipedia episode descriptions, which are not directly based on any official source (no offense intended, QP), in order to further the argument that the episode will be more critical of the Polish President than the Russians... Qantasplanes, I don't think you've done anything wrong (I presume you sourced those episode descriptions from their respective articles?), if anything whoever wrote this needs to learn to fact-check using sources other than Wikipedia... It's just like that example William used about US Supreme Court Justice Harlan Stone dying on the bench; it didn't happen, but former Justice John Paul Stevens (or his ghostwriter) read it on Wikipedia and put it into a book. Paris1127 (talk) 07:51, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

S11E02 "The Plane That Flew Too High"
According to this page, West Caribbean Airways Flight 708 went down in a moderate hurricane, but there's no mention of that in either the actual crash's article or the Mayday episode. It could have been an oversight... Does anyone know the name of this hurricane? Assuming there was a hurricane at all... I'm not sure it was a hurricane for two reasons: 1. North Atlantic hurricanes are named and 2. Hurricanes rarely strike Colombia and Venezuela, preferring the Caribbean, Mexico and United States. They're not impossible, but they're not common either, so I would expect a record of some sort. Paris1127 (talk) 18:08, 4 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Where in the article does it mention a hurricane? I saw it says bad weather. BTW I agree with reverting Qantasplanes edit. This article is very overlinked....William 18:39, 4 May 2012 (UTC)


 * It says "On 16 August 2005, West Caribbean Airways Flight 708 flew through a moderate hurricane. Shortly thereafter the pilots began to report that both engines have failed and a few minutes later the plane crashes into a cattle farm in Venezuela. Investigation revealed there were no faults with the engines, pilot error had led to a stall that was misinterpreted by the crew who took no recovery action until it was too late." As for the edits, Qantasplanes also marked that edit as vandalism, so I left a note on his talk page. I consider both edits to be in good faith. We might even consider unlinking the crash names within the episode descriptions, as links to the crashes appear just above... But it looks fine for now... Paris1127 (talk) 19:18, 4 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll change it, thank you. - Qantasplanes (talk) 06:18, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

UK Title - Murder On Board
Hi, I've noticed that under the section where there are titles for other countries, the season 11 episode "I'm The Problem" is still marked as TBA under the UK. It has just aired here and it's called "Murder On Board". Can someone change it please? I'm not entirely sure how to. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevo44 (talk • contribs) 21:40, 7 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Almost that scenario happened in Asia. The Alternative Titles part for Asia is untitled, so months ago, I put the location a text, saying "Same as Canada". Johngabriel.ibay (talk) 06:53, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

S11E10 "I'm the Problem"
The episode description mentions David Burke as being an ex-USAir employee boarding PSA 1771, PSA being called USAir's parent airline. USAir had actually purchased or merged with PSA, if I recall correctly. I'd change it myself, but I'm not sure as to how to describe PSA in relation to USAir. Subsidiary? Acquisition? Paris1127 (talk) 06:55, 9 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I have no Idea Paris. Maybe someone else could help? Qantasplanes (talk) 06:32, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Due to some recent edits
I've asked for the opinion of this wikipedia administrator who works on aviation articles. A editor has made changes to the ACI article page but I'm not sure if they're right or wrong. For instance, the article is ACI but the episodes guide is Mayday. Let's hear what The Bushranger thinks....William 02:15, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I would suggest renaming the ACI page as Mayday. I'm not sure how long the page has been known as "Air Crash Investigation" (did Justinhu8 move it? The edit before his first has the page named as ACI) instead of "Mayday." Since the series is originally Canadian and the Canadian name of the series is Mayday, I think the article should have that name. Paris1127 (talk) 03:48, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Qantasplanes you did it again
Most of the crashes on Mayday are accidents not incidents. Please brush yourself up on this and this, especially annex 13. Your last edits therefore are mostly wrong....William 13:09, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * To be honest, the cause sections of the page should be edited out. All of season one and two episodes, the cause is mentioned in the summary. So having a separate cause section at the bottom is repetitive. Either edit out the cause from the summaries or edit out the separate cause part. I would vote the latter. This is a list of television episodes not a list of crashes. The episode should be summarized....William 18:38, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * sure... Qantasplanes (talk) 23:57, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * So are you going to clean the mess up?...William 09:56, 17 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm on it, happy now? Qantasplanes (talk) 06:04, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

air dates
The "Season 7 (2008)" has episodes listed as originally aired in november 2009. I'm not sure when they were first aired but the ones I have aired in spring 2009 not autumn as listed here.

"Not yet known"
I removed the following;

"Note: The original titles are not yet known for episodes 11 to 13."

I did this because;


 * It is not specified who doesn't yet know. I suspect that, if anyone, the producers of the series do know.  So apparently it appears that it is the Wikipedia editor who added this the one who doesn't yet know.  Wikipedia is not concerned about what one editor doesn't know, and nor are its readers.


 * What is more obvious is that the title has not yet been announced. In this case the TBA tells everything the reader needs to know without this pointless note.

Could those who wish this note kept please explain what additional information it is conveying? Thanks. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 16:29, 17 November 2012 (UTC)


 * FWIW, I agree with you. My main edits to this article are pertaining to what episodes are airing. The amount of nonsense that's posted here is sometimes incredible....William 16:50, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I also agree with you, Escape Orbit. With just everything. But I add that, in my opinion, there should be added something on the bottom of the page saying something like: "TBA stands for (the meaning of acronym) and means that the title or release date of the episodes haven't yet been published.", 'cause I actually don't know what the acronym stands for, and at the beginning, I didn't know what it meant. Plus, I corrected a phrasal mistake and a word repetition, both that you committed, Escape Orbit. Please delete these sentences if you acknowledged and agree with them. -- Sim(ã)o(n)  * Wanna talk? Here, please! Thanks! 17:57, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

TBA = To Be Announced. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 18:05, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Call Qantasplanes for the talk, given that he was the one who was trying to insert the note... -- Sim(ã)o(n)  * Wanna talk? Here, please! Thanks! 22:33, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Qantas Flight 32
what happened to Qantas Flight 32? not long an ep? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:44B8:215:8400:B505:FD8A:13B0:E8C (talk) 13:28, 11 January 2013 (UTC)


 * It is likely. But it could be made in the following season (13). Qantasplanes (talk) 05:05, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * We have two sources contradicting one another. Which qualifies as WP:RS? I removed all the season 12 entries after Grand Canyon because we aren't a Crystal ball. The last part about episode 13, which read 'Possible: Air France Flight 447, Qantas Flight 32 and Aeroflot Flight 821.' was a clear case of WP:SYNTH as one of the two dueling sources now says there are 12 Season 12 episodes....William 18:14, 15 January 2013 (UTC)


 * episodes 11-13 are unsourced Qantasplanes (talk) 05:34, 16 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Maybe the episodes beyond the "Death of the President" are been deleted because the episodes didn't air yet. This is only my theory. Johngabriel.ibay (talk) 06:48, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Will the episode on Qantas 32 be in season 13? Any ideas? yes or no? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.105.74.42 (talk) 21:51, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


 * William didn't want to co-operate in that dispute, which was a shame. But Season 13 is filming (http://www.actratoronto.com/shooting/index.html). I will be getting an episode list by Cineflix soon.

Qantasplanes (talk) 00:36, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

S12E10 - "Death of the president"
This episode will be aired in National Geographic Channel in Poland. Polish title: "Śmierć prezydenta". Date of air is 27.01 at 21:00 (CET). http://ngc.gazeta.pl/pl/smierc-prezydenta PS. My English is not good, sorry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.17.232.78 (talk) 19:21, 16 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you Qantasplanes (talk) 22:33, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

February airdates
First this source that Qantasplanes is using to say shows are airing next month makes absolutely no mention of airdates. Second, the second source Qantasplanes is using for February airdates only lists 3 episodes all of which have already aired. You're pulling another Bass Strait hijack, Qantas. Without a source, the part about new episodes airing next month stays down....William 23:35, 23 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Umm, actually it lists 4 episodes. And for the last time the Bass Strait hijack wasn't by me. thanks Qantasplanes (talk) 04:58, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

This is vandalism now. I'm getting an administrator. I hope you like being blocked....William 11:01, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * What did I do? Qantasplanes (talk) 11:14, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

You reverted again. I'm not going to change it back but wait for the administrator. What you're saying about February airdates has no source....William 11:21, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * For the final time, a new episode, "Pilot Under Pressure" is on the site. Qantasplanes (talk) 11:24, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

You're not even familiar with the alternate titles section that you created for the article? Eight days ago you made this edit. According to that edit of yours 'Pilot Under Pressure' is an alternate title for the Polish President crash, aka episode 4 of Season 12, which has already aired. Fail....William 13:03, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

And no airdate. How does that show "National Geographic UK will start to air the rest of the season sometime in February"? I suggest you read WP:SYNTH....William 11:30, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Here's how . Qantasplanes (talk) 11:32, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Fail. As I noted here, All 4 episodes mentioned have already aired. Episodes 1-4 of Season 12. As for digiguides which never says the word February at all, it fails WP:RS. Its a copycat website as can be seen in entries- In The Heat of Passion II: Unfaithful, Silkair 185 - Pilot Suicide? which isn't even a Mayday episode, or entries like 6 Mile Plunge (Part 3 of 5) and Desperate Dive (Part 4 of 5) where Digiguide is referring to You Tube videos of Mayday episodes....William 12:54, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Ok there is a series of mistakes here(including my own) but NATGEO is involved. "Pilot Under Pressure" is the Polish President crash according to the Alternate Titles section Qantasplanes put up but NATGEO has that title for an episode about the Silk Air Crash. Qantas, where did you get that alternate title from? Bottomline- that NATGEO guide doesn't say specifically what episodes are airing next month. And the one episode you're claiming as proof that new episodes are coming, actually describes an episode already aired. A crash in Indonesia isn't a description of the Polish President(Talking about former Polish Presidents, my wife shook hands with Aleksander Kwaśniewski in 2000 when we were visiting Hel, Poland. I even have two closeup photos of him up on my website.) or any other new episode that's supposedly coming out. Anything saying new episodes will begin next month doesn't have a source and should therefore be removed....William 15:59, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * True, we have made some errors, like the alternate titles etc. But let's just get this childlish dispute over ASAP. Qantasplanes (talk) 23:14, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

I wish the dispute hadn't occurred. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.105.74.120 (talk) 10:10, 13 April 2013 (UTC)


 * That William is so unreliable, probably why he got blocked Qantasplanes (talk) 11:46, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Page Protected
I have increased the level of protection on the page due to the ongoing content dispute, can editors please come to some consensus about further edits, please use the Template:Edit protected for any requests for change. MilborneOne (talk) 19:54, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * No response from William as of yet... Qantasplanes (talk) 22:58, 26 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Come on William, where are you? Qantasplanes (talk) 06:20, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

American 191,United 173 and Hockey disaster's air date has anounced.
http://natgeotv.com/uk/air-crash-investigation/about It will be aired in NGC-UK. AA191-Feb 25-America's Deadlist Crash UA173-Mar 11-Fatal Fixation RA-42434-Mar 4-Russia's Ice Hockey Disaster — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joo99416 (talk • contribs) 13:49, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Add to first paragraph
Mostly as a reminder to myself for when the protection comes off: Add that official reports are also used to reconstruct the sequence of events. Nutster (talk) 14:22, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Nutster (talk) 03:44, 7 March 2013 (UTC)