Talk:List of media notable for being in development hell

Suggestion to split
I suggest that in order to prevent any future edit reverting, I recommend splitting the articles with "List of films in development hell," or "list of music in development hell," or any video games in vaporware.--2600:8801:30A2:4400:9559:FB97:2250:73CE (talk) 19:30, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Seconded. what do you think? Timur9008 (talk) 16:05, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , please respond. If you don't, and/or if you keep reverting without proper explanation, you might be sanctioned. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 16:18, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Glad to see the admins/mods are on it. The anon-IP user has used a number of sockpuppets over the years to turn the article (and its predecessor before the previous split) into a massive, bloated repository of his personal essays on albums, movies, etc. I believe more than one of them has been banned altogether. I suggest locking the article and range-banning his IP addresses so he can't hop around and do this anymore. ComicsAreJustAllRight (talk) 17:13, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You didn't answer the question you were originally pinged about (and previously chose to ignore), and instead used the opportunity to attempt to give yourself a high ground and suggest banning a user. This is laughably immature behavior. --85.167.72.91 (talk) 12:16, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Drmies, any update on the above problem user? I know one of his previous sockpuppets was King Crimson the Third, now, per his user page, "blocked indefinitely because CheckUser evidence confirms that the account's owner has abusively used multiple accounts." He'd been previously bloating the "Development hell" page with extended personal essays, causing multiple editors to have to work to revert them, before he was repeatedly suspended and blocked. He's now moved on to my talk page, so if you get a moment, I'd appreciate it if you took a quick glance at the page history for the pre-split Development hell page to confirm what I'm saying here. ComicsAreJustAllRight (talk) 07:53, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Can anybody add Metroid Dread to the "Video games" section of the article?
That's because that it spent 15 years in development hell, and it is a notable example of media being in development hell. 37.39.243.210 (talk) 17:02, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

John Carter And The Princess Of Mars
Does John Carter and The Princess of Mars belong on this list? It took about 100 years to make that movie. Liberty5651 (talk) 19:21, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Changing the Article's Presentation
I propose that this article changes it's appearance to something more akin to the list of video games notable for negative reception or list of films considered the worst. Through this, the article could expand on certain pieces of media and make it easier to read.

Articles Mentioned: -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_considered_the_worst -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_notable_for_negative_reception — Preceding unsigned comment added by VideoGameMovie (talk • contribs) 21:34, 20 November 2021 (UTC)


 * That makes some sense. As it's currently presented the article looks like an index.  If an actual index is added, then one can click a link and read more detail about the media. Liberty5651 (talk) 13:57, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Why ten years?
I recently added Sonic X-treme and immediately self-reverted, realising it was only in development hell for two years. With that said, it was still a significant event in the video game industry, in that it all but doomed the Sega Saturn. Pinging the article creator,, on where the ten-year figure came from. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 13:20, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree that it isn't perfect by any means, but it was the only way I could think of to prevent it being flooded with entries like it was before, whilst not being overly complicated to understand and enforce Eddiehimself (talk) 21:26, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Ten years is a decade. You have ten fingers.  Ten toes.  Our mathematics are base 10. Music charts are often listed by decade (ie: "the best song of the 1990s").  Documentaries often are broken into decades; 10 year spans.  I could go on. 10 is a common, arbitrary but reasonable number.  You can always start an RFC to change it to 9 or 11 or whatever, but 10 is a very common time span for stuff like this.  It is easy to argue that 4 or 5 or 7 isn't really "hell".  10 is a nice clean number that is easy to use as a delineator.  Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 21:37, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Ten years appears a reasonable cutoff here, assuming the existing content roughly complies with that cutoff. The article currently includes plenty of content, I doubt the current content is complete, and new items to include will assuredly continue to come into existence. Lowering the cutoff would surely result in an explosive increase in examples passing the threshold. IMO a sizeable list of top examples is better than an unwieldy spew diluted by mediocre examples. Alsee (talk) 08:12, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

The title is wrong: Should be “media projects,” NOT just “media”
This has felt like a problem since I first encountered this article a couple of weeks ago, so I did a deep dive into all the MANY definitions of ‘media’ in two dictionaries. I found no definition that directly or indirectly allows characterization of a project as a medium. I’m newish (pushing 400 edits) and don’t have the power or knowledge to make this correction. Could one of the veterans please make this simple fix? Thanks so much! Left Central (talk) 11:06, 4 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Special:MovePage/List of media notable for being in development hell
 * You can move the article here. You can access this by clicking more on the top right corner next to the watchlist button. TheFirstVicar4 (talk) 17:08, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Spider-Man
Multiple concepts for a Spider-Man film were proposed and fell through starting in the 80s before the original 2002 movie. 88T3 (talk) 00:41, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Snow Crash
Adaption of Snow Crash, "the novel was optioned shortly after its publication and subsequent success" (in 1992), and there have been announcements that have come to nothing ever since. ghouston (talk) 07:15, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

alphabetical or chronological
why this staff on this article were written alphabetical order rather than chronological order? 2404:8000:1027:85F6:B8A8:7E75:EDEB:4A70 (talk) 13:39, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Split needed
The article is getting unmanageable as is, it is too broad. I want to start a discussion about splitting the article into more than one, say "video games" and other media, such as television and movies. We have over 300k bytes (somewhat too large) and 571 citations (way too much for one article). Granted, it needs good references, but it's just too much for one page, making it difficult for phones and tablets to navigate. I'm not in love with the overall format, and think chronological order would make more sense as well, but that would be a different subject. Thoughts? I would rather not get bold with this, and prefer some well thought out discussion first. Dennis Brown 2&cent; 12:37, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Inconsistency regarding time span requirement
The lead section of the article provides a specific definition of "in development for more than 10 years", however, the article itself doesn't actually follow this. I didn't check the other sections, but in the video game section for example there are the yet unreleased games Metroid Prime 4, announced in 2017 (7 years ago) and Hollow Knight: Silksong, announced in 2019 (5 years ago), both of which I think do fit in this list, since they were delayed and have been called "development hell" by commentators. I think the strict requirement of 10 years might not be the best criterium, it also means that items can only be added that are at least a decade old, even when they are already considered development hell before that threshold and there is no release date in sight. Shortening the list could instead be achieved by splitting it into several articles for films, video games etc. I just added The Elder Scrolls VI, which was announced in 2018 (6 years ago), though it is a long-awaited sequel to a game from 2011 (13 years ago), and Microsoft Gaming CEO Phil Spencer himself estimates the release to be 5 or more years in the future from 2023, making it a 2028 or later release, which would in fact be 10 or more years. Tajoshu (talk) 00:16, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

More info on the fourth austin powers film
Various updates as the years go by? what is that supposed to mean Yrs601 (talk) 09:21, 20 March 2024 (UTC)