Talk:Mafia: Definitive Edition

Differences between Definitive Edition and original 2002
For starters: Paulie and Sam's full names are revealed: Paulie Lombardo and Sam Trapani. Tommy doesn't lose his job and has no other choice, but is swayed to join the Salieri family. Sam tells Tom to spare Michelle because she's a good woman. Morello's full name is Marcu Morello. It's never really implied that Frank broke the omertà, just that Tommy has to investigate what happened with the accounting books. JustAnotherNZWikipedian (talk) 03:09, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Also, the diamonds which were unveiled in the original were a cover up for Drugs. Which is more sensible in analogy. Tommy is shown to be more ruthless. And is revealed to be a Capo in 1935'.And tommy has a son as well. Jack Morales Garcia (talk) 07:49, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Vito and Joe in the ending
Regardless of disagreements about the description of the ending in the plot synopsis, I think Vito and Joe being named needs to stick. They were well established as characters for a decade by the time this remake came out, and Vito is explicitly named in the subtitles when he speaks his lines of dialogue in Mafia: Definitive Edition. It's clearly them, and the fact it is them is very important, even if their last names don't need to be mentioned. A simple highlighted link to the Mafia II article with the words "two men" simply does not work, and will just confuse people just learning about the series who haven't yet played Mafia II but are considering starting with this game. This is welcome to be discussed and debated as always among fellow editors, but I think I've made my case for why Vito and Joe need to be named in this article, as opposed to the article for the original 2002 Mafia where Vito and Joe had not yet been established as significant characters or even given names yet. Thank you. Titanoboa Constrictor (talk) 14:51, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

--- While I agree that they are important, we know who they are only because they had a story all to themselves in Mafia II. Hell, they even have the same clothes that they often wore. Tommy doesn't. And by your logic, people starting with the 2002 original would be confused as to who the hell these 'two men' are also. That's a rather specific demographic you have picked out. JustAnotherNZWikipedian (talk) 12:52, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

--- I was willing to compromise. I left a footnote explaining Vito and Joe. Your edit about the lupara and asking for a Mr Angelo contrasted with the loose narrative of the other paragraphs, which was what set me off in the first place. Your recent edit, in which you restored the edits about the lupara and asking a Mr Angelo, tells me you are still stubborn and unwilling to hold up your end. You claim that Vito's subtitles are marked "Vito" and the fact it is clearly him and Joe is important. It doesn't change the sequence of events. It's not like Tommy knows Vito other than some mobster out to kill him for Salieri. The sequence of events is basically the same as in the 2002 original and Mafia II; two men approach his house and kill him. The dialogue is the same (except for Tommy's more affirmative "Yes." in the 2020 remake). But now we know who Vito and Joe are, they wear the same clothes as they often did in Mafia II; Vito and his leather jacket, Joe with his Hawaiian shirt. In the 2002 original, they wore generic 50s suits, as they were just two guys who came to kill Tommy out of nowhere. I believe the crux of the issue is that I wanted the ending paragraph to flow with the loose narrative of the plot, and you wanted to mention that the two men are Vito and Joe. By "loose narrative" I mean that at one point, they kill Morello as he flees the city, but the article does not mention him being strafed by Tommy with a Tommy Gun. So you have your mention of Vito and Joe, and I have my nice flowing loose narrative. Now we both get what we want, can we end this disagreement before it becomes silly? JustAnotherNZWikipedian (talk) 01:38, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

--- I think your first point can be countered by the fact that when the original 2002 Mafia came out, Vito and Joe were not yet established characters nor did they even have names yet, but were just two random unnamed thugs who kill Tommy on Salieri's behalf in the 1950's. Now they're both beloved established character from the same series in their own right, and we know that this happened specifically in 1951. This is further backed up by Mafia: Definitive Edition and how it handles the ending. Keep in mind a lot of people have still never played the Mafia series despite it's popularity, and may first look the games up on Wikipedia to learn more about them, before they consider buying them. I also think Joe shooting Tommy with a lupara is relevant enough to mention in the article, because if you read the lupara article here on Wikipedia, it's mentioned that it's an infamous weapon that's widely known to be used by the Italian Mafia, both in real life and in fiction, and that type of shotgun has been frequently featured in famous Mafia films such as The Godfather and it's two sequels. I also think that Tommy responding with "Yes." to his old name is very significant to the story, since we know he was given a new name in the witness protection program, and this shows us that Tommy is not afraid to die, and that he knew that one day Salieri would catch up to him.

Thank you for being willing to compromise with me and the other editors, and being willing to discuss the matter on the article's talk page. It shows your dedication to being a Wikipedia editor and making your edits high quality, and for that I commend you. Thank you for your time. Titanoboa Constrictor (talk) 17:59, 1 December 2020 (UTC)