Talk:Marvel vs. Capcom

Abyss in MvC2?
In the table at the very bottom of the page, it states that Abyss is NOT in Marvel vs. Capcom 2. He is actually in the game, but only as a non-playable final boss. Should this be changed in the table to show that he's in the game, but not playable, or is the table only for playable characters?- Bkid My talk/Contribs 12:52, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Number three?
There apparantly has been talk of Marvel Vs. Capcom 3. Apparantly at E3 there was talk about a third one; people saying they would love to make new ones, and according to Kotaku.com it was even confirmed that there will be a third one. Should this be brought up in this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.24.164.8 (talk) 22:51, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Is Kotaku.com a reliable news source? All I've heard about this is some guy from Marvel winking that it might happen.  Hardly a reliable source. JuJube (talk) 02:04, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Error
I'm 99% sure that Thanos is not or has not ever been a part of the Avengers XSpaceyx 19:17, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

He's and enemy of them. Like Sabertooth in the main cannon has never been an X-Man (162.51.176.80 17:25, 5 April 2006 (UTC))

U.S Agent no?
I can't find any proof of U.S Agent being in this game at all.
 * He's in Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter only. Danny Lilithborne 11:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually he makes an appearance in Marvel vs Capcom as a secret striker.Firebrandjo (talk) 06:10, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Hell no
No armoured spidey in this game I have bought every character and unlocked all secret charcters and everything and there is no godamn armuored spiderman
 * He's in Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter only. Danny Lilithborne 11:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Orange Hulk, Red Venom and Gold War Machine are not The Thing, Carnage and Iron Man

 * Otherwise they would have named them that. Capcom is amenable to naming palette swaps that don't even resemble the characters in question (cf. Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter's "Mephisto", and MvC's War Machine just being a recolored Iron Man). Danny Lilithborne 23:53, 11 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The thing and iron man i can understand, but Venom's palette swap is extremly simliar to the actual color of Carnage
 * Doesn't make him Carnage. Danny Lilithborne 05:31, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

It is very, VERY obvious that red Venom is not Carnage. Example, Carnage is less bulky than venom for one. How people can confuse the two is beyond me.MightyKombat 07:17, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Character names are the same so I don't see how anyone in there right mind could call these characters anything else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Firebrandjo (talk • contribs) 06:12, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Needs Clarifying
". Jin Saotome is attacked by Onslaught after defeating him and is near death"

How does that work? 161.184.234.197 21:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That's in Shadow Lady's ending; someone replaced a summary of Jin's ending with the Shadow Lady version. Since the game isn't canon, neither one is certain to have happened. Danny Lilithborne 00:10, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

But the sentence doesn't make any sense. Who defeated who? Who's near death? 66.167.147.162 09:27, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Though it's not canon I'll elaborate

By looking at Shadow Lady's ending, M. Bison defeated Jin and Jin is near death. the sentence needs fixing. MightyKombat 12:38, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Clarification
Next time Screw Attack puts little crap like that...

Yes US Agent is in MvC, he's the last special partner. I've used him dozens of times. Ekkusu 12:55, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

also of note is that sabertooth is from Iron Fist #14 not x men. and deadpool is from New Mutants #98 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.250.7 (talk) 01:54, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Resident Evil section
Seeing how there are now two Resident Evil characters in the series, shouldn't they get their own table now? If anyone makes the argument that two character does not warrant a separate table, just take a look at the Spider-Man characters.

Tron Bonne
I didn't know that Tron Bonne was not in MvC3 until the link in the Edit History was shown, so instead of changing it everytime someone says she is unconfirmed and expecting people to obey you, Cyberlink, why don't you put the link in the Reference? Therefore the problem is solved, and no one will change it? Srsly, not hard to do.(66.214.233.221 (talk) 18:31, 16 May 2010 (UTC))

-Thank you. (66.214.233.221 (talk) 23:15, 17 May 2010 (UTC))

Deadpool's voice actor
Does anyone have a reliable source for Nolan North being Deadpool's voice actor in Marvel Vs Capcom 3? I know the voice sounds the same, and I've seen this be stated else where, but you guys like to have reliable sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.70.140.119 (talk) 20:41, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * While it's fairly obvious that it's North, it's never been officially stated by anyone. It's probably still under NDA, which is why, despite Ryu sounding identical to Street Fighter IV, Kyle Hebert still claims that Capcom hasn't called him in for MvC3.  I think we should leave it off the page until either the credits are uploaded to YouTube or someone associated with the game gives official word. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 21:16, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, but on Kyle Herbert's page it says that he is, someone might wanna fix that if it hasn't been confirmed. -71.70.140.119 (talk) 21:47, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

No Original Characters
There will be no original characters in the game in any capacity whatsoever.

Reference
—Preceding unsigned comment added by CrookDaKing (talk • contribs) 03:13, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Cyclops disconfirmed in MvC3?
Cyclops was only hinted to be disconfirmed as a playable character for MVC3. He needs to be marked as Unknown. Slatesoda (talk) 14:34, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Ōkami should get a section
Issun from Ōkami is present with Amaterasu during fights. Kind of like Rush to Mega Man, I guess. Just sayin'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.90.162.37 (talk) 21:46, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll go ahead and make the new section. - W ANINOKOZ  (T ALK ) 22:56, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Sexy Silvia
Sexy Silvia should be listed as "Hyper Move for Viewtiful Joe" as seen in Viewtiful Joe's Six Cannon Hyper Combo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CrookDaKing (talk • contribs) 17:20, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

No more shoto's
http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/82454/marvel-vs-capcom-3-no-more-shotos-says-seth-killian/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by ScottKazama (talk • contribs) 13:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait 'til they are specifically deconfirmed OR don't end up in the final roster. And sign those posts. Alex.liu064 (talk) 23:40, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The original interview by 30 Ninjas and Seth Killian never specifically stated that there were no more shotos. ^ What Alex said, please sign your posts (right below the "Save Page" button, there is a spot that says "Sign your posts on talk pages"; click the four tildes and there you go, it's not that difficult. Signing your posts is like a standard, or common courtesy, here on Wikipedia). - W ANINOKOZ  (T ALK ) 23:54, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Zero's English VA
Is it Johnny Yong Bosch voicing him. If it was, it is him. Some of theme from other link says that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ScottKazama (talk • contribs) 21:06, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * We've been over this. No VA additions until the credits become available unless you have evidence from a legitimate source to back it up. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 21:16, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

EDIT: It has been confirmed, hear his voice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bURM2t7sKDo&hd=1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by ScottKazama (talk • contribs) 07:56, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I really don't know how many times we have to tell you this. Like I said in my edit summary, Wikipedia is all about verifiability. You need a good, reliable reference to back up your edits, and frankly, that YouTube video is not a good reference. You can't just listen to the voice actor and automatically assume their identity. Sure, it might be extremely obvious that Zero's VA is Johnny Yong Bosch, but you need a legitimate source...for example, a Tweet from the VA or the website of the VA stating that they are doing the voice of a certain character. That's the way Wikipedia works. - W ANINOKOZ  (T ALK ) 08:07, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Japanese series names.
Is it really necessary for Resident Evil to have Biohazard next to it, or for Mega Man to have Rockman next to it? It just seems unneeded to me. Alex.liu064 (talk) 00:37, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It might help to clarify for people who actually refer to Resident Evil as Biohazard and Mega Man as Rockman...but it is the English Wikipedia, so I'm not exactly sure either. - W ANINOKOZ  (T ALK ) 02:10, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That's what I was thinking. Since the English Wikipedia mostly caters to those those who speak... English, few will care about the alternative title of those games. Those who are interested could check out the individual articles. But that's just me. Alex.liu064 (talk) 02:42, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Weirdly Arranged
Why exactly is the organized so haphazardly, separating the characters by series? The Smash Bros article is a lot more condensed and neatly arranged, having all the characters listed in one box and naming their originating series to the far right.

It gives the same type of information with out it being so difficult to keep track of. --71.118.217.33 (talk) 10:58, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * "Weirdly" arranged? And how is separating the characters by series "haphazard"? You're saying that this article is unplanned. This is just another way of organizing the characters, since their are too many to put in one box. Also, the Smash Bros. article doesn't keep track of cameo/assist characters. The Stick Man (talk) 12:37, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Red Arremer, Firebrand, both, or neither?
So I've been wondering how to list him. Yes, I know that this is a relatively minor thing that I'm asking about, but I'm going to talk about him anyway. First, we can go by the name I believe most people know him as: the Red Arremer. Second, we can go by his North American name, Firebrand. Third, we can use both names and leave it as is. And lastly, we can just remove him entirely, as he technically is not a character. At least, not in the way I interpret what a character is. If we were to go by the fourth option, we would have to remove the other enemy "characters", as well (Like the creatures listed as characters in the RE section). So... any thoughts? I've played a very minimal amount of Ghosts 'n Goblins, so I don't trust my opinion about this. The Stick Man (talk) 03:35, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Akuma cameo
If you look closely at The Hand stage in the second gameplay video, you can see Akuma on the left side of the background.


 * OK. So what's your point? You might not know this, but Wikipedia talk pages are supposed to talk about the article itself. Unfortunately, Akuma's "cameo" is not really relevant. Sorry. The Stick Man (talk) 02:37, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Crimson Viper or C.Viper
C.Viper should be listed as Crimson Viper because it lets readers who are not familiar with her know the full name of this Street Fighter, i.e. Dan Hibiki. Plus, C.Viper should only be listed as so only in Street Fighter IV and Marvel vs. Capcom 3.

C. Viper. I'd just put what she is most often officially referred to as. By the way, sign your comments with four tildes so people will know who is talking. The Stick Man (talk) 02:37, 10 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, scratch that. The consensus DOES appear to be "Crimson Viper". The Stick Man (talk) 01:51, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

A whole bunch of incorrectness in: "Characters from"
Alot of the characters in the "character from" are wrong

In order of the list shown each character is from originally: Captain America: Captain America Comics#1 Death: Captain Marvel #27 Hulk: Incredible Hulk #1 Ironman: Tales of Suspense# 39 M.O.D.O.K: Tales of Suspense# 93 She-Hulk: Savage She-Hulk#1 Thanos: Ironman #55 Thor: Jounery into mystery #83 U.S. Agent: Captain America #323 Warmachine: Ironman 118 as Rhodes, 282 as Warmachine Kingpin premiered in Spiderman Dormammu is from strange tales(which isn't only Dr.Stranges book) Shuma-Gorath is originally a Robert E Howard creation, and appeared in 	Marvel Premiere. Blackhart appeared first in Daredevil Ghost Rider appeared in Marvel spotlight Mephestio appeared in Sliver Surfer Sabretooh is from Iron fist Wolverine appeared in Hulk originally —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.133.181 (talk) 03:11, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The list is not supposed to state the first appearances. They are organized according to what series they are most related to. This is why Wolverine is in the X-Men section instead of a section titled "The Incredible Hulk". Of course, there are some inaccuracies, since characters can be related to other teams, too. But I'd say the article does a fine job organizing them.  TheStickMan  [✆Talk] 03:55, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Absent for sure?
With DLC characters coming up, should we still continue to say "no" for characters not on-disc or should we revert their statuses back to unknown/cameo?  TheStickMan  [✆Talk] 18:00, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * If they're not playable and they're not a cameo, they should be listed as "no". The fact is, unless they get announced as DLC down the line, they're not actually in the game, unlike yet-to-be-revealed characters who ARE in the game but we don't know it, so the "no" is justified. Besides, nothing says we can't change it to a "yes" later if they do get announced. Besides, given we don't know how long Capcom's going to be continuing DLC, don't you think it would look a little silly if the MvC3 part of the table was full of "unknown" listings a year following release? -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 18:10, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * True. Thanks for letting me know. I was getting unnecessarily worried...  TheStickMan  [✆Talk] 22:28, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Frank West
Niitsuma confirmed that Frank West appeared in one of the CG trailers (I'm assuming he was the helicopter pilot in the second episode). Does that count as a cameo? - w ANINOKOZ  ♪♫♪ 22:55, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Might as well. If Niitsuma says it's Frank, it's him, and since the trailers are promotional material, tied to the plot, AND unlockable in-game, it technically fits. Besides, I'd be shocked if he doesn't make a cameo in one of the endings anyway, let alone get re-added as DLC. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 23:00, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Galactus.
Shouldn't it say "boss" under "MvC3", that's all we know right now. -64.30.14.50 (talk) 22:02, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Cat's out of the bag, and it looks like Cyberlink cracked. I fixed it. Thanks.  TheStickMan  [✆Talk] 22:22, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

SonSon is not an original character in Marvel vs. Capcom/Error in the Capcom Characters Section
In the Capcom characters, I noticed that SonSon was under original characters. He is NOT an original character created for Marvel vs. Capcom unlike Amingo, Abyss, etc. He has his own game which you can see in this wikipedia link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SonSon


 * They are not the same character. The Marvel vs. Capcom 2 version of SonSon is supposed to be the granddaughter of the original SonSon from the NES name of the same name. Marvel vs. Capcom 2 was her first and only appearance, thus we count her as an original character, even though she was inspired by a real Capcom character. - w ANINOKOZ  ♪♫♪ 11:40, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Heck, even by looking at the designs of the NES SonSon and the MvC2 SonSon, one can tell that not only are they differently designed: they're different genders, too.  TheStickMan  [✆Talk] 15:20, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Dormammu and Galactus voices
Are they mixed? Cause when I go to the page linked for the actor it saids they did the other character's voice. -71.70.142.240 (talk) 20:03, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are correct. I'll fix the problem. Thanks! WaninokoZ♪♫♪ 20:39, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, it was right as it was. Someone else had switched the two on their individual Wiki pages. I've since gone and fixed 'em all. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 00:42, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, I made a mistake when I was reading the Tweet about Jonathan Adams by Chris Baker. WaninokoZ♪♫♪ 04:21, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

UMvC3 Character Select screen cameos
http://www.capcom.co.jp/mvsc3/system_new.html

Gambit, among others from previous MvC games in the background. From artwork. Also present on the character select screen, but do you needs pics of that too?

talk) 09:23, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Days of Future Past cameos
Someone will have to add these. I'm pretty sure there's more on another section of the screen as well. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 15:27, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Heroes vs. Heralds
I would suggest that characters who appear as cards in Heroes vs. Heralds, like Howard or Multiple Man, be labelled as such, similar to how certain characters in MvC1 appear under the "Assist" label. Furthermore, characters who previously only made background/ending cameos, like Nightcrawler, should be upgraded from "Cameo" to whatever this new category we're creating is if they have a card. Agree/disagree? -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 23:42, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * So...apparently pics of all the HvH cards are out. I don't know if they're ripped from the disc or some other kind of leak, but it looks legit. Here's the full list.] So do we start adding characters, or hold off until an official announcement and/or the mode's release? -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 07:08, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Article Overhaul - Help me out?
This page hasn't had nearly as much attention as the other articles, and frankly...we all know it's not good. A so-called "series" page should focus on the series as a whole, and not list off a bunch of random story endings and non-playable characters. I was thinking of rewriting the page.

I really like the Super Smash Bros. (series) page, and how it's arranged. I mean, that is the reason why that page has achieved good article status. I want to model this page after it.

The character list should be limited to playable characters only. The "story" section has to go - story has never been very important in any of the Marvel vs. Capcom games. A gameplay section is also a necessity. However, I know it will be difficult to write a development and reception section, especially about the earlier games. I have already started writing a new version of the article in my sandbox. If anyone has any good online sources, especially ones about X-Men vs. Street Fighter and Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter, could you show them to me? Any help would be appreciated.  W ANI  ♪♫♪ 04:38, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Some characters made a cameo as a costume DLC for playable characters
http://shoryuken.com/2011/11/11/umvc3-dlc-costume-leaks-are-full-of-fan-service-and-trolling/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.136.213.176 (talk) 03:47, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

X-Men: Children of the Atom?
How is this game part of this Capcom crossover series? --uKER (talk) 02:56, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Akuma, I believe.  TheStickMan  [✆Talk] 00:16, 17 July 2013 (UTC)


 * XMCotA is as much part of a Marvel vs. Capcom series, as NBA Jam is part of the Mortal Kombat series (Scorpion and Raiden were in NBA Jam). --uKER (talk) 00:47, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, I removed that game from the list, and it appears someone not too fond of talk pages reverted it. The cited reason for adding it back in was its inclusion in the book "Marvel VS Capcom: Official Complete Works". Now, that book also includes the "The Punisher" arcade game which, not even being a fighting game, I think we can safely assume doesn't belong to the MvsC series. I'd say that book covers all Capcom games involving Marvel characters, which is not a 100% match with the target of this article. Again, not being a crossover I don't think XMCotA belongs here. --uKER (talk) 17:19, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Uhh...fine...I'll talk here if it makes you feel better. Yes, the series can technically start with X-Men vs. Street Fighter, but most of the fundamentals of the Vs. series were taken from X-Men: Children of the Atom and Marvel Super Heroes, such as aerial raves, chain combos, super jumps, and hyper combos, which is the reason why, according to Seth Killian (I'm assuming you already know who he is), "many fighting game aficionados", including Killian himself, believe the origin of the series dates back to those two games. (Here is the video link: ) I opt to include both games because, as I stated before, the Marvel vs. Capcom: Official Complete Works also listed them as part of the series. For example, there is a large character roster section near the end of the book where they show each playable character and which game in the series they appeared in. This section spans from X-Men: Children of the Atom through Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3. I actually used this section to help me with the character lists in this article. The Official Complete Works covers all of the works between Marvel Comics and Capcom, which is why The Punisher is included in the book. However, it is not considered to be a part of the Vs. series (as you also stated). It's simply the first video game created during the partnership.  W ANI (talk)  19:19, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Character tables
Recently, I've been working on improving the series' overview article, and I've been thinking about deleting all of the character tables from the individual articles and just leaving the 'master list', like the Super Smash Bros. series of articles. I can list the characters in prose for games with smaller rosters, like X-Men vs. Street Fighter through Clash of Super Heroes, but games with larger rosters (Marvel vs. Capcom 2, 3, and Infinite) would just have to direct readers towards the master list instead. If I end up deleting Infinite's table, I'll be moving the references over here.

Currently, the master list is broken up into two separate tables. Should I consolidate them into one table, and instead of having them sortable by franchise, have them simply sortable by company (Marvel or Capcom)? The problem I have with it right now is how the Marvel characters are sorted out. The X-Men are straight forward, but why list Captain America as The Avengers instead of his own series, for example, or why list Iron Fist as Heroes for Hire instead of The Defenders? They just cross-over with so much material that I'm not entirely sure if relegating them to one "franchise" really counts as accurate; it's not nearly as cut-and-dry as the Capcom side of things.

Anyway, I just wanted to get some thoughts before doing anything. Character tables tend to be what others fiddle with the most, so I imagined that if I didn't discuss about it first, the tables would be replaced anyway or I'd get reverted. Thanks! Wani (talk) 00:49, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Reassessment
Requested on my talk page. Bumping up to B. Comments:
 * It's offputting to have the first thing in the article be a table; for comparison, Fabula Nova Crystallis Final Fantasy (FA), God of War (series) (FA), and Commander Keen (GA) all use itemized lists (bulleted or no), with a timeline template if applicable
 * Also, the text below the table just largely duplicates the table- I'd combine them into a bulleted list like the above examples to fix that
 * Man, those tables are big. I read your post above; I'd say don't delete the tables from the individual articles, and yes combine the two tables here into one- I agree with you, Marvel characters cross over so much that it's really just one big "franchise" for most of them. I'd also make the table collapsed, though, because that's a hefty table.
 * The reception table is pretty wide; ways to fix that: abbreviate Dreamcast as DC; also, not as sold on how it looks, but you can force a line break on the titles like Marvel vs. Capcom: Clash of Super Heroes
 * -- Pres N  16:18, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your feedback again! Wani (talk) 04:37, 2 February 2017 (UTC)