Talk:Missouri/Archive 4

Law and Government Section Update Needed
The Law and Government section of this article needs to be updated to reflect the February, 2015 death of State Auditor Tom Schweich, and subsequent appointment of Nicole Galloway as his successor. I attempted to update the article myself, but ran into technical difficulties. Any assistance from my fellow Wikipedians in resolving this issue would be most appreciated. --TommyBoy (talk) 00:43, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 May 2016
71.100.108.208 (talk) 19:25, 1 May 2016 (UTC) there is two many z's in Ozarks
 * . The spelling looks fine to me. GABHello! 00:40, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2017
Please change 'capitol' to 'capital'. RullRatbwan (talk) 13:16, 29 June 2017 (UTC) RullRatbwan (talk) 13:16, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Presuming you mean the use of "capitol" in the first paragraph of the lede, capitol is correct - the building is in Jefferson City, which is how the article is currently worded. I've no preference on using capitol vs changing the sentence slightly to use capital correctly so if another editor feels strongly about the wording, go nuts Cannolis (talk) 15:51, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2018
In the External links section, please update URL for "American Library Association Government Documents Roundtable" to http://godort.libguides.com/missouridbs Reflibcat (talk) 18:57, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:02, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2018
I want to fix Missing or empty title issue of this page Spconnor (talk) 13:50, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 29 May 2018
x 12,000 years y 3,743 years 98.20.139.1 (talk) 01:41, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 10 October 2018
The state of Missouri is a bit big. I have a photo of it from the original thing, so please let me in. Hikerblunt (talk) 15:21, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
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Senator Elect
As of today, November 6, 2018, Josh Hawley is the Senator Elect, please change this.(I AM NOT REQUESTING EDIT ACCESS, DO NOT GIVE ME ACCESS, I DO NOT WANT IT) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MilkFghy (talk • contribs) 04:55, 7 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done Grey Wanderer (talk) 19:23, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Law and Government Update
The Law and Government section needs updated for the current government officials after the recent change in administration. JordanL 88 (talk) 23:26, 10 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done Grey Wanderer (talk) 19:23, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 September 2019
I'm a Person from Missouri just here to help with the historical like civil war stuff and geography 204.184.214.11 (talk) 17:53, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 16 September 2019
I'm a person from Missouri just trying to help with history and geography Nob0dyknee (talk) 17:58, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
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"Missourah" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Missourah. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 (talk) 22:41, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

"Misuri" listed at Redirects for discussion
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"Myssouri" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2020
I want to edit the informational commentary on Missouri´s topic Redboi69 (talk) 20:12, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
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Notification: Housing in Missouri
A request has been submitted to WikiProject Missouri for a new article to be created on the topic of Housing in Missouri. Please join the discussion or consider contributing to the new article. Best regards, -- M2545 (talk) 13:30, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Why this is protected
I think its protected because someone has made missouri slightly larger over time. They were reported and banned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.79.177.194 (talk) 17:44, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
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Status Of Mule's Classification Within Being A State Insignia
Currently the mule is listed as Missouri's state mammal, this however is somewhat very wrong to the best of my knowledge and I have primary sources to back! As per RSMo 10.110, "Official animal. — The Missouri Mule, known for its strength, hardiness, intelligence and even temper, is selected for and shall be known as the official animal of the state of Missouri." Note 'animal,' not 'mammal.' This doesn't seem to be some outdated statute either, the Secretary of State's website affirms this claim. I'd like to know if there is a Wikipedia standard that requires the mule to called "state mammal" or if there is some newer piece of a statute nobody knows about. Seems like a simple minor change but just want to make sure; sig: Aramantha 16:43, 15 June 2021 (UTC)


 * The infobox template with the state symbols doesn't support an "Animal" parameter. It probably should have an "Animal" parameter added so that the category follows the statute. There is a "domestic animal" parameter, and an "other" parameter. "Other" is grouped with inanimate insignia, although it contains pawpaws as Missouri's state fruit tree (so that's another problem with the infobox template as it now stands). Plantdrew (talk) 18:34, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion
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 * America-the-Beautiful-Quarters-Ozark-Riverways-Missouri.jpg

"Ozark National Scenic Riverways Quarter" is not the Missouri State Quarter.
The caption of the Ozark National Scenic Riverways Quarter falsely calls it the Missouri State Quarter. The quarter pictured is a 2017 quarter part of the America the beautiful series. What is so perplexing about this is that the actual Missouri State Quarter (minted in 2003) was pictured above in the article, but was instead captioned "Commemorative US quarter featuring the Lewis and Clark expedition".JMM12345 (talk) 01:21, 15 August 2021 (UTC)JMM12345
 * I went ahead and fixed it.JMM12345 (talk) 20:04, 17 August 2021 (UTC)JMM12345

Imminent Release of US Census Bureau 2020 Population Centroid​ Determination​
I'm excited to know that the US Census Bureau is about to release its 2020 US Population Centroid location.

I believe that this data release will be notable because it will show an historic slowdown in centroid movement, probably the slowest since the 1910-1920 period as an aging population, ongoing economic difficulties, and the impact of the pandemic work to reduce both the means and reason for Americans to move.

Using a method validated in predicting the location of the 2010 US population center, my estimation for the location of the 2020 centroid is: 37.410844 N; 92.364605 W.

This position is 12.83 miles/20.65 kilometers southwest of the 2010 centroid.

This spot is located in Wright County, MO, about 10 miles southwest of Plato, MO and 13.63 miles northeast of Hartville, MO. It remains closer to Plato than Hartville, but I’m thinking that the Bureau may opt to name Hartville the center given its symbolic name. We’ll see soon.

Judging from past performance, this estimate should be within a mile or two of the official position (that’s the best I can do because I’m working with state-level data). I’ll inform exactly how far off once the Census calculation is released.

Best,

Alex.zakrewsky (talk) 19:32, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2021
There are a couple spelling and grammar errors i would like to fix 184.62.245.47 (talk) 04:18, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 22 March 2022
Add the anthem of Missouri 2603:8090:2000:B763:9C9B:1167:9A3C:3645 (talk) 14:51, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 22 May 2022
Please change "it is the 19th-most populous state of the country" to "it is the 18th-most populous state of the country. The populations of the states were recorded in the 2021 census and I looked at their estimates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.24.26.218 (talk)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Could you please provide the source where you read the estimates? — Sirdog (talk) 02:00, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

On inclusion of 'the' in state nickname| Undid revision 1112872519
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Missouri&type=revision&diff=1112872519&oldid=1111507894

My reasoning for why I believe the "Show Me State" is more correct than "the Show Me State." Why I reverted edit 1112872519 on Missouri.

The first mention of the general phrase appears written in multiple ways in the only cited source (a video) for the first mention in the article: "THE SHOW-ME STATE" (with 'the' and additionally hyphenated) on welcome sign, "SHOW ME STATE" (no 'the' at all) on 2008-2018 license plate, and "the 'Show Me' State" on a book cover. There is inconsistent styling as shown in the medley of the cited video, but certainly as from Vehicle registration plates of Missouri, which is mentioned in the second place it was edited it in the Missouri article, the styling of "the Show Me State" is wrong as 'the' is never included in the design of a Missouri license plate. Hyphenation of "Show-Me" is on the plates longer than the unhyphenated styling, as well as appearing on the welcome sign shown in the cited video. I'm tempted to say that it should be hyphenated in the article, but ultimately it is a nickname and with that in mind however most people spell it would probably be most right, which I think would be without hyphenation. Back to the matter of "the" inclusion, that makes everything I cited above perhaps not relevant. But in keeping with the styling of the two other mentioned nicknames ("Mother of the West" and "Cave State") I think it best to leave out "the" and I will revert or clean after any edits attempting to add it into the quotation marks.

Aramantha (talk) 22:40, 28 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Your care in addressing this is appreciated. I have no dog in this hunt, just wanted to observe that in the end the license plate argument, while perhaps attractive at first blush, turns out to be spurious, leaving a verdict of non liquet. If anything can be determining, it should be actual usage, which is conditioned mainly by the requirements of English syntax.
 * In a simple formula [State X] is [nickname], it's easy to test: Wisconsin is America's Dairyland (no article in usage) whereas Arizona is the Grand Canyon State and Texas is the Long Star State, (both normally selecting the article). Wisconsin plates display America's Dairyland, as would be expected (a preceding the would be linguistically odd at best). The test is only a first step, though. It predicts the result for Wisconsin, but not necessarily for Arizona or Texas.
 * Texas has the full form on its plates,The Lone Star State, while Arizona has only Grand Canyon State, yet there is no argument from the evidence of usage or technical syntax for preference of one or the other. A reasonable guess for the difference might be that states tend to practice economy (literal or figurative) when including nicknames on their plates, thus Land of Lincoln, Green Mountain State, and, perhaps, the extreme case of Minnesota's somewhat cryptic 10,000 Lakes. But even if that guess is accurate, Texas demonstrates that it's only a tendency, and that the contrast between Texas practice and that of Arizona, and Missouri, precludes establishing state mottoes in every case solely from license plate text.
 * In terms of procedure, you might want to reconsider this: I think it best to leave out "the" and I will revert or clean after any edits attempting to add it into the quotation marks, as in essence it's a declaration that you're prepared to engage in non-stop edit warring rather than seek consensus, a fundamental no-no in Wikipediaworld. (Especially, but not only, when it's founded on I think rather than all evidence shows.)       . Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 16:45, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Based on [the secretary of state's website, I would say "the" isn't really part of the nickname (it is used in full sentences when grammatically necessary). [[User:Plantdrew|Plantdrew]] (talk) 16:58, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I had checked that web page, and found it inconclusive. Note that there's a claim that "The slogan [...] is used on Missouri license plates", but on that page the slogan is given as Show-Me, whereas Show Me is now on the plates. He -- or whoever wrote it -- doesn't seem interested in precise form, article or not, hyphen or not, perhaps because whatever form it takes, "The slogan is not official." Quite true, though, that it's common, in the sense of known to all, throughout the state, and the answer is thus discoverable: ask a good number of residents what Missouri's nickname is. If they answer with the name only, i.e. without syntactic context to necessitate the, voilà, whatever the majority come up with is the answer. (Whatever the result is, other nicknames in the article still have to be dealt with definite-article-wise: Other nicknames for Missouri include "The Lead State", "The Bullion State", "The Ozark State", "The Mother of the West", "The Iron Mountain State", but "Pennsylvania of the West" and the "Cave State".) Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 22:46, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Apologies for the unclearness of my original comment, Barefoot through the chollas. I posted on the talk page because I wanted discussion of this matter to prevent an edit war. I am not looking to call my declaration final if other evidence is presented. Aramantha (talk) 02:25, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Aramantha. From the evidence found so far, it looks as though it's not possible to determine a "correct" version of Missouri's nickname. In a sense that's inevitable, I suppose, as a result of state powers-that-be never bothering to declare any version official. If there's a solution to be found, it seems it would be identified by determining the most common usage. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 03:52, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree that "the" is not a part of the nickname. Sources differ but it often isn't capitalized or is left out of quotes. Also seems like "Show-me" is more common than "Show me" but I don't object to using the latter. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 02:44, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Ojibwe Etymology of Missouri--bad citation?
>In the language of the Miami-Illinois's close neighbors, the Ojibwe, it could mean "You Ought to Go Downriver & Visit Those People."

The citation given here is Nichols and Nyholm's "A Concise Dictionary of Minnesota Ojibwe." I have this book, and I could not find this etymology attested in it (in fact, there is no entry for "Missouri," or for the romanizations suggested at the beginning of this section). If nobody can find a more precise citation for this fact, then I suggest that it should probably be removed. Michael.A.R.Lee (talk) 23:24, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the catch. Grey Wanderer (talk) 15:28, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Camp Jackson Affair Context
Howdy,

I have been doing to the rounds on Missouri related wiki's to correct a pretty glaring issue with how the Camp Jackson Affair is discussed. Namely, it leaves out the fact that 20 days prior to the Affair pro-secession state militia raided the Liberty Arsenal, and that Govenor Claiborne Jackson had planned to do the same to the St. Louis Arsenal with Confederate support.

Lyon didn't just attack the Camp because it made him nervous, but because that camp had received Confederate cannon specifically to seize the Arsenal. Further more, it presents the most anti-Lyon/anti-Union version of events as fact regarding the riot and subsiqent fighting in St. Louis, using the very loaded name "St. Louis Massacre".

I would recomend editing in this information to make it more reflective in the event and bring it in line with most other wiki pages that covet the events. Elizabeth Gurely Flyn (talk) 18:51, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking this on yourself. It’s nice to see someone be bold and make the edit. If more discussion on the Camp Jackson Affair is to take place I recommend it be done at Talk:Camp Jackson Affair, so that we may keep the conversation in one place. Grey Wanderer (talk) 22:12, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Ethnic composition as of the 2020 census?
As of 2022-10-27 this article includes a table on Ethnic composition as of the 2020 census with columns "Alone" and "Total". The first totals to 90.2%; the second to 105.2%.

I don't understand this table, and I couldn't find support for it in the link cited. Moreover, it seems redundant with the following table of "Missouri racial breakdown of population". I am therefore deleting this table of "Ethnic composition as of the 2020 census". If you think it belongs, please restore it with a credible citation and clear, concise and compelling accompanying text.

Thanks, DavidMCEddy (talk) 00:39, 28 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for looking into that. I support the removal; It's redundant and unsourced. Grey Wanderer (talk) 04:10, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Tribe not river
Missouri wasn’t named after a gd river. It was named after the Missouri Indian tribe. Do some research dumbfuck 172.58.60.170 (talk) 16:58, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * You're mistaken. The river is named after the tribe and the state is named after the river. When you research something like this you need to find reliable academic sources. Avoid knee jerk reactions when you haven't even done the thing you're asking others to do. Honestly you could have just clicked on the inline sources provided already. Grey Wanderer (talk) 18:00, 28 April 2023 (UTC)